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« Reply #6250 on: May 26, 2014, 10:17:19 PM »
Here's a 1933 Japanese poster with an English title.  To me the Metropolis looks strikingly modern, hard to believe it is 1920s:



Someone with 16000+ feedback won it:



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« Reply #6251 on: May 26, 2014, 10:23:34 PM »
To me the Metropolis looks strikingly modern, hard to believe it is 1920s

I agree.

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« Reply #6252 on: May 26, 2014, 10:41:02 PM »
See I'm just sayin' that something doesn't seem right, like this restaurant I spotted in NYC this weekend:


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« Reply #6253 on: May 27, 2014, 02:28:32 AM »
Here's a 1933 Japanese poster with an English title.  To me the Metropolis looks strikingly modern, hard to believe it is 1920s:






Sean, is this a first release Japanese poster from 1933, in your opinion? The film was released in the UK, in August, 1933 and not until Nov. of 1933 in the US. Info on imdb is thin, but I have found nothing online that shows The Ghoul being released in Japan in '33. The artwork looks to be later, imho. In addition, the distributor named on the poster, (Towa-Shoji Film GK) was strictly a production company, producing Japanese films in the late 20s to the mid-1930's.

That the Towa-Shoji G.K. Film's logo is on the poster, naming it as the distributor in that same year, seems off.

These are, of course, questions and observations from my POV.  ;)  I've been trying to dig up more info on Towa-Shoji Film GK, but have come up short, at this point.


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« Reply #6254 on: May 27, 2014, 08:53:38 AM »
Where's the proof this is a 1929 poster?  It looks like a 1960s re-release.  Was it common to include foreign languages on posters back then?

Well frankly I don't have to prove to you anything, and you can think whatever you want about it.
Yes, it was quite common to include foreign languages on posters back then (and in the 30s, 40s, 50s, etc)
Look at the altered-Maria image in the poster - the same as from the yellow/green advertisement Erik posted.
Look at the unique lettering for メトロポ (Metoropo) on the poster and advertisement (and the program book a couple of photos down on the Metropolis page) and see how it uses dots instead of strokes on the Me, To, and Po katakana.
Plus look at the bid history. While the winner was a deputy service, the underbidder (Pollymagoo) is one of the most famous long-time collectors in Japan, and the 3rd, 4th, and 6th place bidders are all quite well known also (I would say think Borst, Allen, Caiden, Shimkin, Nemith-type collectors but some of those names might be lost on you).

As soon as I saw it listed last week I contacted a couple of long-time collectors friends in Japan (you would probably call them elite) and they both confirmed it as original. That was good enough for me.

As to the Ghoul poster, it has always been my understanding that it is from 1935. Towa-Shoji certainly distributed films (in fact they distributed the very first film made from Toho in 1932), and the writing of their name from right-left next to the logo is definitely a pre-war practice. The odd size of the Ghoul poster is also another indicator that the poster is pre-war.
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« Reply #6255 on: May 27, 2014, 09:13:56 AM »
No need to be snarky and rude but thanks for the additional info.  You previously said "it is 100% for sure an original 1929 release poster."  As you know, "argument from authority" is insufficient.

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« Reply #6256 on: May 27, 2014, 12:43:28 PM »

As to the Ghoul poster, it has always been my understanding that it is from 1935. Towa-Shoji certainly distributed films (in fact they distributed the very first film made from Toho in 1932), and the writing of their name from right-left next to the logo is definitely a pre-war practice. The odd size of the Ghoul poster is also another indicator that the poster is pre-war.

Thanks Sean.

I know HA has it listed being from 1933.. and was curious as to your thoughts on it, too.

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« Reply #6257 on: May 27, 2014, 03:19:44 PM »
No need to be snarky and rude but thanks for the additional info.  You previously said "it is 100% for sure an original 1929 release poster."  As you know, "argument from authority" is insufficient.

Sorry, thought I was already sworn in as an expert witness.
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« Reply #6258 on: May 27, 2014, 03:56:28 PM »
That info is really outstanding.  Thanks a lot Sean.

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« Reply #6259 on: May 27, 2014, 05:33:37 PM »
No way that is a 1926/7 original release poster

as Jeff noted, it was 1st released there in 1929 and Sean says it is indeed an original first release poster

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« Reply #6260 on: May 27, 2014, 05:34:10 PM »
No, but it is 100% for sure an original 1929 release poster.
And seeing the other usual suspects in the bid history means they realized it also.

okay.. I'm late to the game

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« Reply #6261 on: May 27, 2014, 05:34:56 PM »
Are you really calling Sean out regarding a pre-war Japanese poster??  Really?  laugh1

I second this and also  laugh1 laugh1 laugh1

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« Reply #6262 on: May 27, 2014, 05:37:38 PM »
Sorry, thought I was already sworn in as an expert witness.
I'll remember to always establish credentials with you from now on.    wynk


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« Reply #6263 on: May 31, 2014, 04:42:03 PM »
After about a year being posted on ebay, an insert for Valentino's The Young Rajah (1922), was sold for a Best Offer. Great imagery, too, IMHO.  thumbup

The original BIN price was $3500.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rare-1922-Rudolph-Valentino-034-The-Young-Rajah-034-Insert-Poster-36-X-14-/171334932004?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e45b9624&nma=true&si=4cIrX7uWhPHg0Ik6a7W2EwDrQxI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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« Reply #6264 on: May 31, 2014, 06:38:05 PM »
After about a year being posted on ebay, an insert for Valentino's The Young Rajah (1922), was sold for a Best Offer. Great imagery, too, IMHO.  thumbup

The original BIN price was $3500.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rare-1922-Rudolph-Valentino-034-The-Young-Rajah-034-Insert-Poster-36-X-14-/171334932004?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e45b9624&nma=true&si=4cIrX7uWhPHg0Ik6a7W2EwDrQxI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


Copy the item number and look it up at watchcount.com to reveal the accepted price: $3,000.
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« Reply #6265 on: May 31, 2014, 06:46:01 PM »
Copy the item number and look it up at watchcount.com to reveal the accepted price: $3,000.

Cool. Thanks.  cheers

This 6 sheet for From Russia With Love (1964), sold earlier this month, for a best offer of $2000.00:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FROM-RUSSIA-WITH-LOVE-ORIGINAL-JAMES-BOND-MOVIE-6-SHEET-POSTER-1964-/321394875262?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad4a09b7e&nma=true&si=4cIrX7uWhPHg0Ik6a7W2EwDrQxI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

And Bruce sold one in in Dec, 2013, for $1150.00

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« Reply #6266 on: June 01, 2014, 06:12:33 PM »
Yowza, that came "out of the blue":



I found this in just a few seconds for half the price ($2,800):

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« Reply #6267 on: June 01, 2014, 10:44:40 PM »
I could understand a 1957 Curse of Frankenstein going for that much but a quad from 1970?!
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« Reply #6268 on: June 01, 2014, 11:56:26 PM »
People with more money than they know what to do with?

No way that quad is a $5600.00 poster (imo); even that ebay example sales price seems crazy!

(Aside from the pair that "battled" for it). But for those that fought (bid) for it .... it was worth pure gold.   8)

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« Reply #6269 on: June 02, 2014, 01:41:47 AM »
The FMBD Quad is a £500 poster, maybe £800 on a very good day..

Is this the sign of the times...recession is over, posters are climbing in price? I've seen some Horrendously high prices of late.. 
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« Reply #6270 on: June 02, 2014, 02:12:02 AM »
The FMBD Quad is a £500 poster, maybe £800 on a very good day..

Is this the sign of the times...recession is over, posters are climbing in price? I've seen some Horrendously high prices of late.. 

Would a sign of better times still mean a sales price of 7-10x the norm?

This realized price is an anomaly for sure, don't you think, Paul?



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« Reply #6271 on: June 02, 2014, 02:28:20 AM »
I could understand a 1957 Curse of Frankenstein going for that much but a quad from 1970?!

It's the pink effect.

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« Reply #6272 on: June 02, 2014, 07:06:51 AM »
It looks like two bidders got that rush of blood to the head and went absolutely batshit trying to get it. I hope whoever landed it is happy with their purchase but I also hope that no one thinks that's a realistic 'new' price for that poster. As Paul says, that has to be 8 or 9 times its actual worth.
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« Reply #6273 on: June 02, 2014, 10:09:53 AM »
I wonder if some of this is due to the current exchange rate, with our friends across the pond having a distinct advantage over the colonists?  I don't even look at UK auctions any more, but I imagine coming from the other side US prices must look like a steal when they're priced in dollars.
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« Reply #6274 on: June 02, 2014, 10:52:47 AM »
It's the pink effect.

I should have known!  hitself
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