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Common Poster Subjects => Research & Collecting Tools => Topic started by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 17, 2010, 12:44:50 PM
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How freaking stupid do you have to be to reference Professor Power's fake website (http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/mymovieposters/aboutme.htm) as an authority?
But rokmodataol/Rick's Hollywood Store is doing it in this sale (http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-STAR-WARS-B-Advance-Teaser-1-sheet-LINENBACKED-/310054252203):
Star Wars Advance 1977 (Blue Style) .
There are 2 versions of this that were authorized and printed by National Screen Service .The GAU is the union logo that appears on most original theatrical posters found on the lower white border in the center . One version of this Star Wars Advance has the logo on it , the second does not . At the Cleveland location that I worked at there had been an altercation with the Union steward and some of the printers . There had been a short strike for a week causing some problems with the use of the logo on posters . Thus , it was omitted from the printing of this particular poster out of the Cleveland NSS location . Both of these versions of this poster are to be considered original ! THANKS TO Prof. Leonard Powers FOR THIS INFORMATION.
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I would strongly, STRONGLY advise NOT to buy from Rick's Hollywood. I learned my lesson years ago.
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The guy's just a flat-out liar - you rarely see such brazen whoppers, even on Ebay. Check out his sale of bootleg Star Wars Style Cs (http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-1977-STAR-WARS-style-C-1-sheet-/310228353638?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483b0d0266):
THIS WAS THE POSTER PRODUCED FOR THE BRITISH RELEASE. I HAVE TAKEN THEM FROM SEVERAL THEATERS AROUND THE WORLD. AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, FIJI, GUAM ETC. I RECEIVED SEVERAL FROM LUCAS FILM EMPLOYEES
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This wouldn't be the first reference to Professor Powers, you know. Jeff Rosen on NS4 has in his signature "Respekt the Professor!" Peanut.
This refers to Andy Neal's reference a long time ago to Professor Powers as supporting authority on some matter. I wasn't around at the time, but the legend continues on.
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Who is Andy Neal?
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my personal favorite is the part where he says that he sent a bunch of minty whites for carbon dating, and it proved in each case that they were made in the year of release of the film. anyone who knows even a little about carbon dating knows that you certainly cant nail down a specific year for any sample. all carbon dating would tell you is that it could have been made yesterday or the 40's. no lab would even try to carbon date anything 20 years old because its a complete waste of time.
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my personal favorite is the part where he says that he sent a bunch of minty whites for carbon dating, and it proved in each case that they were made in the year of release of the film. anyone who knows even a little about carbon dating knows that you certainly cant nail down a specific year for any sample. all carbon dating would tell you is that it could have been made yesterday or the 40's. no lab would even try to carbon date anything 20 years old because its a complete waste of time.
Of course carbon dating is a bunch of malarkey, 'cuz that's what I learned from the Creationism Museum (http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42).
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I didnt think it was possible but now Im even more confused :P
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The guy's just a flat-out liar - you rarely see such brazen whoppers, even on Ebay. Check out his sale of bootleg Star Wars Style Cs (http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-1977-STAR-WARS-style-C-1-sheet-/310228353638?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483b0d0266):
THIS WAS THE POSTER PRODUCED FOR THE BRITISH RELEASE. I HAVE TAKEN THEM FROM SEVERAL THEATERS AROUND THE WORLD. AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, FIJI, GUAM ETC. I RECEIVED SEVERAL FROM LUCAS FILM EMPLOYEES
I just bought this same poster from him a few weeks ago for 100.00. How do you know it's a bootleg?
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I just bought this same poster from him a few weeks ago for 100.00. How do you know it's a bootleg?
Bad news bro. You just got hosed. I'd raise hell about it and demand your money back.
Check out Cinemasterpiece's info on this poster (http://cinemasterpieces.com/cinestarwars.htm) - scroll down to the Style C section.
Here's the pics for the hairs that are on this poster.
(http://cinemasterpieces.com/hairyr2.jpg)
(http://cinemasterpieces.com/hairyback.jpg)
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Bad news bro. You just got hosed. I'd raise hell about it and demand your money back.
Check out Cinemasterpiece's info on this poster (http://cinemasterpieces.com/cinestarwars.htm) - scroll down to the Style C section.
Here's the pics for the hairs that are on this poster.
(http://cinemasterpieces.com/hairyr2.jpg)
(http://cinemasterpieces.com/hairyback.jpg)
Apparently I got a good deal even if it's a bootleg. But according to the wording below, it doesn't appear to be a confirmed bootleg.
US One Sheet RESTRIKE Movie Poster Style C 27x41 ROLLED NM C9 $125.00 OUT OF STOCK Special Order
"All reputable dealers and advanced collectors believe that this poster WITH THE HAIR ON LEIA'S BACK is a bootleg/fake/restrike. Its origin is not known for sure, but it is believed that sometime during the early 1980's some unscrupulous printers got their hands on the original printing plates and ran off thousands of these (as well as the Star Wars Style A and B). It is a very convincing bootleg and is almost indistinguishable from the original. The paper is also thicker and overall the graphics are a little blurrier. They usually appear rolled, but some people have folded them to make them appear more authentic. Criminals on ebay are now describing them as "lightly folded".......this means they have a ton of rolled ones they can't sell so now they are folding them themselves!! We offer it for collectors so they can compare it to known originals. Close up picture of the hair on Leia's back."
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Cinemasterpiece's prices aren't exactly the source to use when deciding whether what you paid was a "good deal" (no offense meant Dave). His descriptions are also notoriously ambiguous. As far as I know, the general consensus is that that is a bootleg. If you think you got a good deal, than that is great.
Personally, any time I pay for something that is misrepresented, I tend to feel cheated.
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I was being semi-sarcastic. Anytime I see a poster listed for over $100,000 on Ebay, I immediately know it's from CineMast (more sarcasm). But, on a side note, it looks like the real version of this poster was only limited to 500 copies so there is no chance for me to own it, and even the bootlegs are going for a minimum of $100 on Ebay. Was I cheated? Probably. Do I care a WHOLE lot? Not considering the details stated above.
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Cinemasterpiece's prices aren't exactly the source to use when deciding whether what you paid was a "good deal" (no offense meant Dave). His descriptions are also notoriously ambiguous. As far as I know, the general consensus is that that is a bootleg. If you think you got a good deal, than that is great.
Personally, any time I pay for something that is misrepresented, I tend to feel cheated.
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There's no ambiguity here at all - he's selling the bootleg. There are dozens of differences - there are "hairs" in several places, the laser fire "cloud" is much less prominent on the bootleg, the coloring of the faces is much different, etc.
I got my bootleg Star Wars A for $10 and my bootleg Star Wars C for $30. The bootlegs do have some value but nowhere near $100. You can get a real Star Wars C for $350 on a good day. Demand your money back and save it for the real thing.
It's true Dave is selling the bootleg for $99 but at least he's fully disclosing that it's a bootleg. Rick is lying his ass off - saying he got it from European theaters. We shouldn't be giving a dime to miscreants like him.
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Mel, I love that website laugh1
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my personal favorite is the part where he says that he sent a bunch of minty whites for carbon dating, and it proved in each case that they were made in the year of release of the film. anyone who knows even a little about carbon dating knows that you certainly cant nail down a specific year for any sample. all carbon dating would tell you is that it could have been made yesterday or the 40's. no lab would even try to carbon date anything 20 years old because its a complete waste of time.
Did he really say that? I mean, really?
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Cinemasterpiece's prices aren't exactly the source to use when deciding whether what you paid was a "good deal" (no offense meant Dave). His descriptions are also notoriously ambiguous. As far as I know, the general consensus is that that is a bootleg. If you think you got a good deal, than that is great.
Personally, any time I pay for something that is misrepresented, I tend to feel cheated.
And how!
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Apparently I got a good deal even if it's a bootleg. But according to the wording below, it doesn't appear to be a confirmed bootleg.
US One Sheet RESTRIKE Movie Poster Style C 27x41 ROLLED NM C9 $125.00 OUT OF STOCK Special Order
"All reputable dealers and advanced collectors believe that this poster WITH THE HAIR ON LEIA'S BACK is a bootleg/fake/restrike. Its origin is not known for sure, but it is believed that sometime during the early 1980's some unscrupulous printers got their hands on the original printing plates and ran off thousands of these (as well as the Star Wars Style A and B). It is a very convincing bootleg and is almost indistinguishable from the original. The paper is also thicker and overall the graphics are a little blurrier. They usually appear rolled, but some people have folded them to make them appear more authentic. Criminals on ebay are now describing them as "lightly folded".......this means they have a ton of rolled ones they can't sell so now they are folding them themselves!! We offer it for collectors so they can compare it to known originals. Close up picture of the hair on Leia's back."
I wouldn't pay attention to a single word Dave has to say on the subject of authenticity... not because neally all of 'his information' is second hand from MPT, Dan R. and others, although it is, and not because what isn't borrowed is mostly rumour designed as enhanced selling tactics, although it is.
I would ignore Dave, because his base assessment is 'real until proven fake', when truly reputable dealer work the other way around.
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I wouldn't pay attention to a single word Dave has to say on the subject of authenticity... not because neally all of 'his information' is second hand from MPT, Dan R. and others, although it is, and not because what isn't borrowed is mostly rumour designed as enhanced selling tactics, although it is.
I would ignore Dave, because his base assessment is 'real until proven fake', when truly reputable dealer work the other way around.
Yet another useless pugnacious post from the belittling curmudgeon Archie. At least Dave's got a sense of humor:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Rocky-1.jpg)
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We offer it for collectors so they can compare it to known originals.
Surely this indicates that these posters are not original theatre release. I cant see how any one could confuse them with the real thing?? :-\
Stew
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Yet another useless pugnacious post from the belittling curmudgeon Archie. At least Dave's got a sense of humor:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Rocky-1.jpg)
Boy, them thar's a knee-slapper... It's a privilege to take comedy notes from a man of your stature.
Your ADD addled enthusiasm might be mildly refreshing if it weren't for the fact that the information you toss out is so routinely off base. Learn some history and gain some knowledge or shut the heck up, please. Until then, your opinion is of no consequence. I've only bothered pointing out your most egregious faults because other noobs read your posts/website and might get the impression that you are speaking from some point of authority. In all honesty, I am not trying to pick on you - I applaud anyone who wall-papers their pad with movie posters, although I still think the ceiling has potential. Mostly, I am just trying to provide some much needed perspective, whether you want to hear it or not.
Stew, I am not saying that Dave's information in this case is wrong, much of what is has listed is correct (the hairy back Star Wars C is a well known bootleg), but new collectors should not use his information as gospel - particularly his quoting of print run numbers. Dave has an ethically slippery approach (anyone who knows his history would understand that comment) and I say this as someone who actually likes the guy (but not his used car salesman business practices) and knows that he has a much better sense of humor than is on display with DeadPigeonMel's listing.
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Boy, them thar's a knee-slapper... It's a privilege to take comedy notes from a man of your stature.
More absurd insults coming from a total jerk who uses a "cum shot" for his avatar on NSF. Super-classy to the core. Your relentless negativity got you booted from MPF. Congrats on finding a new forum to unleash your vitriol.
Dave's a good guy in the hobby and his website has well-written and accurate information. That's a fact, Jack.
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thanks Mel!
you gotta love the haters!!
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I hear you Archie, i have had no dealings with dave, so as a noob, im not in a position to comment on how he chooses to run his buisness.
It is very apparent that Professor Powers website is the most unethical of the two.
He quite obviously try`s to use deception as a ruse to make buyers etc trust his opinion,which are just that ...
His descriptions of posters,are overall accurate with 30% bullsh*t thrown in the mix,and buyer beware if i was to fall for it.
This is my opinion,Mel,IMO ,is quite rightly pointing out to anyone,,not just noobs, that there are unscrupulous sellers out there and this forum is the perfect place for such information to be shared for everyone.
I would hope maybe both of you would find some middle ground or agree to disagree,because as a new member it really drags a thread to the lowest when it degenerates into name calling.
Feel free to tell me where to get off...both of you.
Best Wishes
Stew
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thanks Mel!
you gotta love the haters!!
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/NeoLoco80/rollinhatin.jpg)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/NeoLoco80/haters.gif)
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Sorry, dudes, but this has been brewing for a long time. "Archie" - and he won't reveal his real name - is a huge egomaniac and spews vicious and contemptuous insults left and right. He doesn't contribute to this forum - he just takes sh*ts on other posts. Check out this classic (http://stylec.yuku.com/reply/96230/t/MPF-3-times-banned-a-new-record-.html#reply-96230):
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Screen-1.jpg)
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Ah, I remember this!!! It seems like ages ago.
Bottom line, Mel, I really think you have to pick your fights. This is a hobby, it is not political, and it is not life changer. So I really don't care what people say here and there. I have used language in the past, I can be a wise ass if I need to, but I can also chose not to, especially with people I don't know and will never meet. I understand your beef with Archie, but he is also entitled to his opinion. You don't like it? Shrug and move away. Life is too short, dude. You cannot take any of this stuff seriously. The only time I did was when Carson was getting personal. Now, that really pissed me off. The rest just makes me smile.
T
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thanks Mel!
you gotta love the haters!!
Hater is a bit strong, Disagreer maybe... but I always be rollin'...
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I hear you Archie, i have had no dealings with dave, so as a noob, im not in a position to comment on how he chooses to run his buisness.
This is my opinion,Mel,IMO ,is quite rightly pointing out to anyone,,not just noobs, that there are unscrupulous sellers out there and this forum is the perfect place for such information to be shared for everyone.
I would hope maybe both of you would find some middle ground or agree to disagree,because as a new member it really drags a thread to the lowest when it degenerates into name calling.
Feel free to tell me where to get off...both of you.
Best Wishes
Stew
I agree, which is why I've tried to avoid going down that road and focus on the information and the larger picture. I encourage the pointing out of unscrupulous sellers. In this case, I took no issue with DPM rightly pointing out the scumbag, but I did with using Dave as some sort of authority and felt that a grain of salt was necessary. I was adding some perspective.
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More absurd insults coming from a total jerk who uses a "cum shot" for his avatar on NSF. Super-classy to the core. Your relentless negativity got you booted from MPF. Congrats on finding a new forum to unleash your vitriol.
Dave's a good guy in the hobby and his website has well-written and accurate information. That's a fact, Jack.
You have no idea what was going on at MPF. None.
I wouldn't say Dave is 'good guy'.. a 'better guy' certainly, 'good guy' is stretching it... Perspective... Get some.
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thanks Mel!
you gotta love the haters!!
Dont know if its just jealousy of your poster business or the PT Barnum thing but you sure are a lightning rod for forum fun 8)
I havent decided if I hate you yet. ;) :P
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You cannot take any of this stuff seriously. The only time I did was when Carson was getting personal. Now, that really pissed me off. The rest just makes me smile.
I can see where Mel would be getting his own version of pissed off...but I do know what you are saying. We are here to enjoy :)
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You don't like it? Shrug and move away.
No problem Thierry. I look forward to Archie blessing us with his killjoy charm, infinite poster wisdom, and "causing the occasional stir mainly to correct the seemingly endless flow of misinformation" (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/6595/t/MPF-3-times-banned-a-new-record.html) on this board, just like he did on MPF.
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I find it quite funny that I was defending Andy Neal then, when I couldn't care less about the guy now.
How things change.
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Sorry, dudes, but this has been brewing for a long time. "Archie" - and he won't reveal his real name - is a huge egomaniac and spews vicious and contemptuous insults left and right. He doesn't contribute to this forum - he just takes sh*ts on other posts. Check out this classic (http://stylec.yuku.com/reply/96230/t/MPF-3-times-banned-a-new-record-.html#reply-96230):
Since when? Have you even asked? I am known as 'one of the Jason's' on NSFGE, and it even helped in the confusion between me and Hargon on MPT since his first name is also Jason. I don't care if anyone who posts on here knows my name, but I choose not to broadcast it at every opportunity. Strange position for such an egomaniac, wouldn't you say? Projecting much?
If you, or anyone else, has something to say about what I posted on NSFGE, then please, by all means, we can discuss it... on NSFGE, where it belongs...
The truth is that you are just ticked because I've made you look ill-informed or worse on occasion, particularly over your Man with the Golden Gun pity party, and now you're the one hurling the insults and grabbing at out-of-context straws that you know very little about.
What you need to realize is that, while my comments are in response to you, they are directed to the larger audience, with the goal being accuracy of information.
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No problem Thierry. I look forward to Archie blessing us with his killjoy charm, infinite poster wisdom, and "causing the occasional stir mainly to correct the seemingly endless flow of misinformation" (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/6595/t/MPF-3-times-banned-a-new-record.html) on this board, just like he did on MPF.
MPF is MPF and has nothing to do with this forum.
I have a far greater respect for Thierry, Holiday and the environment they created than I ever did for Andy and the useless mass that is MPF.
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Archie, don't you agree it's pathetic and cowardly to make anonymous posts like the following:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Screen-2.jpg)
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MPF is MPF and has nothing to do with this forum.
GREAT QUOTE!!!
Talking of MPF, did you guys notice that the forum, which is practically dead now, has more than 200 lurkers at ALL TIMES??? Night and day, more than 200 people check it out, in the dark. ;D What a joke!!! How did Andy Neal come up with this magical number? I feel sorry for all the people (including myself) who ever spent a dime on that forum.
T
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I find it quite funny that I was defending Andy Neal then, when I couldn't care less about the guy now.
How things change.
Very true.
That MPF is still semi-operational is an embarrassment to the hobby.
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Archie, don't you agree it's pathetic and cowardly to make anonymous posts like the following:
False comparisons are just that.
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That MPF is still semi-operational is an embarrassment to the hobby.
Another GREAT QUOTE. Man, you're outdoing yourself. Awesome!
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I look forward to Archie blessing us with his killjoy charm.
Not everyone likes the Cary Grant charm.
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If you, or anyone else, has something to say about what I posted on NSFGE, then please, by all means, we can discuss it... on NSFGE, where it belongs...
Geez...don't really care about the rest of the spat but that is such a valid statement. Seems completely unreasonable to lurk on another forum and cut and paste snippets of past threads of that other forum for use in a completely different forum...
Everyone should know that NSFGE posts lose their context once taken outside NSFGE...
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My cat's breath smells like cat food.
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"First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women"
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My cat's breath smells like cat food.
;D
I have used this quote on a regular basis since the episode first aired... One of my all-time favorites...
Mmmmm... sugar...
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Ah. I nice trip down memory lane. I am surprised this is still online.
http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/mymovieposters/index.html (http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/mymovieposters/index.html)
I remember this from the MPT days.
Enjoy
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Nothing says credibility like a dark pony-tail sticking out from behind your fake white beard, as seen on the "about me" page.
Now, now younglings, respect your elders.
--Peter
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Yeah, well, too bad about all the bickering but this thread started out by me pointing out that "Rick" had made a ridiculous reference to a fake website to bolster the creds of his fake Star Wars C. Later, Chop mentioned that he had bought one of those fakes from "Rick." Had Chop done a quick Google search, he would have seen this:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/StarWarsC.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/StarWars2.jpg)
On Cinemasterpiece's site, Dave has posted large pictures of the fake "hairs" of the Star Wars C and other ways to detect the fake. Although it's obviously a selling tactic to include this info, it's also a huge public service.
However, Archie then went into his 10,000th personal attack against Dave because he doesn't meet Archie's idiosyncratic standards of poster authenticating. He then praised "Dan R." who deleted his very useful site years ago in order to cash in on a never-published poster authentication book.
So it's all fine and good that MPA requires its authors to have a Ph.D. in poster authenticating. In part because of that excessive standard, it hasn't been updated in two years and omits many of the posters - including Star Wars C - that casual poster buyers are likely to buy.
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Yeah, well, too bad about all the bickering but this thread started out by me pointing out that "Rick" had made a ridiculous reference to a fake website to bolster the creds of his fake Star Wars C. Later, Chop mentioned that he had bought one of those fakes from "Rick." Had Chop done a quick Google search, he would have seen this:
On Cinemasterpiece's site, Dave has posted large pictures of the fake "hairs" of the Star Wars C and other ways to detect the fake. Although it's obviously a selling tactic to include this info, it's also a huge public service.
However, Archie then went into his 10,000th personal attack against Dave because he doesn't meet Archie's idiosyncratic standards of poster authenticating. He then praised "Dan R." who deleted his very useful site years ago in order to cash in on a never-published poster authentication book.
So it's all fine and good that MPA requires its authors to have a Ph.D. in poster authenticating. In part because of that excessive standard, it hasn't been updated in two years and omits many of the posters - including Star Wars C - that casual poster buyers are likely to buy.
"With your opinion which is of no consequence at all..."
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/archieleach/BeatDeadHorse.gif)
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Congrats on your 10,001 negative post, "Archie."
And really I guess I should be grateful that you haven't made any cowardly anonymous posts on this forum like you have on NSF.
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So it's all fine and good that MPA requires its authors to have a Ph.D. in poster authenticating. In part because of that excessive standard, it hasn't been updated in two years and omits many of the posters - including Star Wars C - that casual poster buyers are likely to buy
Ah, I see. You have no problem criticizing someone else's site, but when yours is criticized you get your panties in a bunch. Nice double standard, Mel thumbup
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Ah, I see. You have no problem criticizing someone else's site, but when yours is criticized you get your panties in a bunch. Nice double standard, Mel thumbup
I'm not really criticizing it - just trying to spur Jeannie into action. It's a great site and Jeannie should be thanked for starting it. But the reality is that it's only half as good as it could be and has been effectively abandoned, so now commercial dealers like Cinemasterpieces are the only place to find information on fakes.
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Wow, I was just at Prof. Powers...what a fount of misinformation.
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Is the guy even still alive? His site hasn't been touched in years. Aside from the fact that a stupid Ebay seller is using it as reference (which is what should really be talked about), why are we wasting our time on an old story and old site?
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I'm not really criticizing it - just trying to spur Jeannie into action. It's a great site and Jeannie should be thanked for starting it. But the reality is that it's only half as good as it could be and has been effectively abandoned, so now commercial dealers like Cinemasterpieces are the only place to find information on fakes.
I agree that a collector should use every (reliable) venue to gain knowledge, but often life intervenes and people don't have nearly the time to constantly update a website. I know this has been the case for Jeannie of late. Can't speak for before that, however.
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good thread.....not been on here for a little bit...........archie (reprints....) on MPF was a little bit of sour amongst a gloop of syrup, and have never been on MPF since the exodus.......nice to see the lack of intervention and openess to free speech on here, congrats eatbie and holiday.
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Is the guy even still alive? His site hasn't been touched in years. Aside from the fact that a stupid Ebay seller is using it as reference (which is what should really be talked about), why are we wasting our time on an old story and old site?
It's not a bad idea to bring this up every so often, particularly on a forum where newer collectors congregate. It shows the lengths these scumbag sellers will go to in order to con the unsuspecting.
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Well said Archie.
stew
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It's not a bad idea to bring this up every so often, particularly on a forum where newer collectors congregate. It shows the lengths these scumbag sellers will go to in order to con the unsuspecting.
Point taken.
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However, Archie then went into his 10,000th personal attack against Dave because he doesn't meet Archie's idiosyncratic standards of poster authenticating. He then praised "Dan R." who deleted his very useful site years ago in order to cash in on a never-published poster authentication book.
I am doing my best to avoid feeding the troll, but the only thing you got right in this passage is the spelling.
If you really think that Dan took down his website to 'cash in', then you are a far bigger dolt than I give you credit. Dan's site initially came down because bootleggers were using his information to make 'better' bootlegs. It's the double-edged sword of authentication. His information, or at least that which hasn't been collected on dealer websites, is now passed from collector to collector via email and forums such as these. One can disagree with his methods, but this was his choice to make and certainly was not done to 'cash in'.
You owe it to your fellow new collectors on this board to try to present correct information.
And, if you haven't yet noticed, in this thread I praised you for correctly pointing out the scumbag. So that's 9,999 and 1....
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I can attest that all of the above is true.
T
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If you really think that Dan took down his website to 'cash in', then you are a far bigger dolt than I give you credit. Dan's site initially came down because bootleggers were using his information to make 'better' bootlegs. It's the double-edged sword of authentication.
Really Jason - and that is your real name as you've admitted (the same as Hargon, by chance) - if you're going to insult me don't you think we should be on a first name basis?
I wasn't around when it first came down but it's been reported many times on the various boards that it came down because he wanted to publish a book. Last year he confirmed on NSF (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/5999/t/Movie-Poster-Authentication-Book.html?page=1)that he had prepared an authentication book on Spiderman and was going to work on a "final book covering many different films":
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Eatbrie1.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Dan1.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/MPA2.jpg)
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Mel, I don't think anyone was trying to insinuate that there was no such book ever spoken of or in the works. I think the issue they had was that you said he was "cashing in". In fact, as you quoted, he says, "i really don't care if I sell 5 of them." Cashing in is probably not the right choice of words for the situation.
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Mel, I don't think anyone was trying to insinuate that there was no such book ever spoken of or in the works. I think the issue they had was that you said he was "cashing in". In fact, as you quoted, he says, "i really don't care if I sell 5 of them." Cashing in is probably not the right choice of words for the situation.
Sure, I shouldn't have used "cash in" because it has a pejorative connotation. I really didn't mean it that way. But the salient point is the original MPA is gone forever - at least in part because Dan R. wanted to provide the information in book form - and nothing has really replaced it. We now have a well-intentioned new MPA that hasn't fulfilled its initial promise and commercial dealers like Cinemasterpieces to fill the void.
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The way I remember it, it came down because dealers, mainly Dave Lieberman, were using his info. The site is still out there, just not for everyone to see.
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The way I remember it, it came down because dealers, mainly Dave Lieberman, were using his info. The site is still out there, just not for everyone to see.
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Yes, I recall reading someone had the foresight to archive it...
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Sure, I shouldn't have used "cash in" because it has a pejorative connotation. I really didn't mean it that way. But the salient point is the original MPA is gone forever - at least in part because Dan R. wanted to provide the information in book form - and nothing has really replaced it. We now have a well-intentioned new MPA that hasn't fulfilled its initial promise and commercial dealers like Cinemasterpieces to fill the void.
The main problem with Jeannie's site (of which I was the first poster) is that she wanted people to provide pictures of originals and fakes. Not generic pictures, their own pictures. Very few people have the time and patience Dan had in putting together his info. A lot of us know how to spot a fake, but to explain it with our own photos is a different story. It means finding the fake, comparing it with the original, and so on. I think this is the main reason why the site never took off. Dan was doing it all by himself. I personally found it extremely time consuming.
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The way I remember it, it came down because dealers, mainly Dave Lieberman, were using his info. The site is still out there, just not for everyone to see.
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But this is a serious point Thierry. What is the deal with poster collectors who are so proprietary about "their" authentications? Shouldn't it be our goal to get accurate information out to the masses in as many venues as possible to prevent fiascos like Chop paying Rick $100 for a fake Star Wars? How much better is the world because Jonas Salk DIDN'T patent the polio vaccine and didn't try to "cash in" on the vaccine? He had no desire to profit personally from the discovery, but merely wished to see the vaccine disseminated as widely as possible. (And obviously epidemics vs. poster fakes are worlds apart but you get the point)
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I personally was very unhappy with Dan's decision to take it down. All this work for nothing, it seemed totally ludicrous to me. But he worked very hard on it. Spent a lot of money to achieve his goal. The correct thing to do would have been for dealers to redirect their clients to Dan's site, not just flat out steal the info he provided. It's two very different things. One is dispatching information, the other is theft. If I had spent as much time as he did on his website and saw poster dealers take my work and use it for their own benefit, I would have closed it down too.
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I personally was very unhappy with Dan's decision to take it down. All this work for nothing, it seemed totally ludicrous to me. But he worked very hard on it. Spent a lot of money to achieve his goal. The correct thing to do would have been for dealers to redirect their clients to Dan's site, not just flat out steal the info he provided. It's two very different things. One is dispatching information, the other is theft. If I had spent as much time as he did on his website and saw poster dealers take my work and use it for their own benefit, I would have closed it down too.
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Therein lies the entire crux of the argument - ownership of information and accountability for its dissemination. It all comes down to the fact the information listed on certain sites about authenticating posters is not "pure" in that there is little accountability. Where did the information come from, what methods were used, who is providing the expert/authorative opinion? These important answers are almost always omitted...and of course no one really ever even feels the need to reference just where their authentication guide actually came from.
Sure it is important to get the info out to collectors BUT who is policing that the information is correct? Some "dealers" have ulterior motives in authentication - but what can you do when you have a stack of 5,000 minty white inserts you need to peddle out?
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Shouldn't it be our goal to get accurate information out to the masses in as many venues as possible...
It is commendable of you to take the time to share your findings regarding the characteristics of known originals vs. known reproductions/reprints/bootlegs/fakes, whatever they may be called, and to point out the individuals who choose to con people by providing false information - with the intent to deceive. There are only a few people who have taken the time to photograph and list the differences among originals vs. fakes, and most everyone appreciates honest, hard-working people's work.
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Therein lies the entire crux of the argument - ownership of information and accountability for its dissemination. It all comes down to the fact the information listed on certain sites about authenticating posters is not "pure" in that there is little accountability. Where did the information come from, what methods were used, who is providing the expert/authorative opinion?
This is exactly right, Chris. Which is why it was so important for ONE person with the time and resources necessary to do the work and expose the steps that led to his final decision. Dan was that man. Jeannie, although her intent was more than honorable, had a bunch of different people doing the deed. It just didn't work. Unfortunately, I don't know a single person today who could take it on where Dan left it.
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This is exactly right, Chris. Which is why it was so important for ONE person with the time and resources necessary to do the work and expose the steps that led to his final decision. Dan was that man. Jeannie, although her intent was more than honorable, had a bunch of different people doing the deed. It just didn't work. Unfortunately, I don't know a single person today who could take it on where Dan left it.
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I think you're being a bit pessimistic T. The new MPA is good - just needs some additional posters and some website enhancement. As Jeannie said, one problem is that it's built in Wordpress, a blog tool. Nobody else will use a microscope like Dan did but that's not really necessary. I've got a few authentications - ET (http://posternirvana.com/Auth_ET.html), Grindhouse (http://posternirvana.com/Auth_Grindhouse.html), Lost in Translation (http://posternirvana.com/Auth_Lost_In_Translation.html), Saving Private Ryan (http://posternirvana.com/Auth_Lost_In_Translation.html) - that can be added. Somebody around here can draft a decent Star Wars A and C authentication in no time - for those I don't own both the original and the bootleg. If Jeannie doesn't want to work on the site anymore, she should give it to somebody else - or preferably a group.
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Mel I am pretty sure I have written more than once that I appreciate your work. You have saved me on at least two bad buys for sure and helped me make at least one good one.
MPA also helped me out on a couple of occasions.
Kinda sad to read that there was a site like that out there and that it had to go because others wanted to cash in on someone elses hard work.
This thread itself has been of great service to me personally. I now understand some things better. 8)
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Was this Dan guy in Canada? When I first started collecting in 2003, I remember seeing a website that when into detail about fake Blade Runner, Alien and Raiders posters among others. I sent him an Escape From New York rolled one sheet to get authenticated (I was a newb) and the post office mangled the package. Since it was insured, I got my money back and bought another rolled Escape From New York.
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I find it quite funny that I was defending Andy Neal then, when I couldn't care less about the guy now.
How things change.
Yeah, come to think of it, I no longer love you.
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The main problem with Jeannie's site (of which I was the first poster) ....
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That's funny, what came first, Thierry or the poster?
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I had a lot of email conversation with Dan around the time he pulled the site. He was tired of the hobby and tired of the would-be professionals out there. He had a bone to pick with a particular few dealers. As others have said, he could care less about whether people bought books or looked at his site. He was just moving on. He sold a lot of his good stuff a few years ago, and a lot of it landed in my collection, including the Donnie Darkos, all of which came from him. His site was neat, but to tell you the truth, it was not that broad-spectrum. He didn't have but 20 or so authentications on the site, though for some good posters. In comparison to what's out there today, the information would be a bit stale, frankly.
As far as they argument of "he should preserve it for the greater good, as we all should", just as frankly, we get tired of it - or at least i do. The same questions over and over again, when they could be answered with the flick of a search button. I was looking at MPF the other day and someone started the whole "Bruce has a shill" argument again puke After answering the same questions 100 times, I think we just stand silent. Thankfully, there's a few like Ed and Sue over at LAMP who have made it their career to preserve and provide this information to new collectors. My hat's off to you, Mel, who would like to carry the torch for the new collector. But, let's have a conversation 5 years from now. If you're still carrying the torch, you're a better man than I, for sure.
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Was this Dan guy in Canada? When I first started collecting in 2003, I remember seeing a website that when into detail about fake Blade Runner, Alien and Raiders posters among others. I sent him an Escape From New York rolled one sheet to get authenticated (I was a newb) and the post office mangled the package. Since it was insured, I got my money back and bought another rolled Escape From New York.
Yup, there are some dealers that loved to call him the Canadian poster Nazi.
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Yup, there are some dealers that loved to call him the Canadian poster Nazi.
That was a pretty cool site.
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He didn't have but 20 or so authentications on the site, though for some good posters. In comparison to what's out there today, the information would be a bit stale, frankly.
Actually, his site went thru a couple mutations. The original one had way more posters authenticated, and also Dan's poster collection (which is what I sent you on paper, Holiday.) Then Dan redid it all, started from scratch and added a new authentication a month. I have the original poster collection on file. I wish I had copied the first authentication site too. It was way more useful than the 2nd one.
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It seems that this topic comes up every six months or so, and the same misinformation keeps getting posted by the same misinformed people.
I’ll post this again…..this is probably the 20th time now….
No authentication information was “stolen”.
I initially asked Dan if I could post on my site 2 or 3 pieces of authentication info. from his site (mainly Star Wars bootleg info. regarding minty whites, hairy belts, and hairy backs). He said yes……it was done with his full permission and we linked to his site several times. I did not ask for a reciprocal link back to my site at the time. We were friendly and on good terms.
Some time goes by and he announced he would be adding links from his site to other movie poster dealers....so I kindly asked to be included....and he refused (he said I wasn't established enough yet)....so I removed all references to his site from my site. Why should I link to someone....who thinks I'm not good enough to link to?
I left the info. on my site as it had become an integral part of it. He didn’t like that, so he complained to his friends, claiming that the info. was stolen. Then he took his site down shortly thereafter. Did he take it down solely because of me? No, I don’t think so….but I probably had a little bit to do with it.
I even bought stuff from him on ebay after he pulled his site down.
To this day July 21, 2010 he has NEVER asked me directly to remove the info. from my site……and I wouldn’t anyway if he did. My site is one of the most visited dealer websites on the planet and it has helped hundreds (if not thousands) of collectors, dealers, and auction houses from all over the world. I get thank you messages almost daily for having authentication info. readily available. Does the info. help me sell posters? Who knows? Probably somewhat……but that is not the reason it is there. It is there to help out poster collectors. Period. There are about a dozen or so authentications listed on our site now….and all have been done by us, in house.
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Hello, All. I hope everyone has been well and productive outside of APF and NSFGE and anywhere else you may frequent. I, however, have been in a hectic and chaotic whirlwind since April and have not had a moment to just be still, except when I'm sleeping (which was also lacking, by the way) until two weeks ago when I took a much needed break -- from everything -- so that I won't embark on my new endeavor in a cranky, near-postal and frenzied state. So thanks (not) to a certain person for forcing me from my rest and enjoyment for the moment necessary to address a few things that have been so misguidedly brought up.
(1) Please refrain from naive conjectures and poorly formed conclusions regarding Movie Poster Authenticating. It is far from abandoned. It is far from "unupdated". And it is far from any single person's personal view about what it ought to be. My absence from the online forums does not mean my absence from MPA. MPA was not built to be a factory to roll out haphazard, unresearched, slapped together authentications on an assembly line. Unlike dealer's sites that steal other people's information to present as their own, the folks at MPA do present authentications that they have actually worked on themselves. As Thierry noted, it is time consuming and tedious work. If you're doing it right, or as "right" as can be considering that this isn't the scientific method for medical research, it's going to be tedious work.
MPA is a repository of information, not a suppository of crap expelled monthly at the dollar store.
It is meant to sit and just be there ready to be accessed and useful at anytime for free without commercial influence. Even if another authentication never gets posted, it will still be there to be helpful for what information it does have up already.
(2) MPA wasn't meant to be "my" website -- although it technically is and I do have final say and I can thumbs up or thumbs down a poster and I am editor, master, commander and chief overlord of it... OK, it is MY website, but that's not the point. The point is, MPA is a collective endeavor and each author has complete control over his/her own authentication and will always own his/her work. That was why MPA was set up as a blog, so that each author can always log into MPA to access his/her work at any time. A person wishing to do an authentication is taking on a responsibility and he/she has a duty to do it with at least some creditable work. One does not need a PhD, but one certainly needs rational thinking, sound judgment and some vetted sources in order to come up with conclusions that can be defended when one's assertions are being challenged.
The nature of the hobby is that there are so few, company-of-origin sourced information and so we have to rely on the information gathered from non-primary sources. That means that if you don't have a care for doing some research, a modicum of detail-orientedness, cogent arguments and a desire to be as creditable as you can, then authentication work is not for you. Linking to other people's work does NOT an authentication make.
So, yes, MPA has standards. If the authentication cannot meet them, it does not get posted. I made the mistake of allowing a couple of shoddy authentication attempts up on MPA in its early days, but eventually took them down when I realized I could not let the desire to be nice and polite hinder me from trying to maintain some kind of quality control.
(3) For those who are critical that no new authentication has been posted recently, I welcome you to become one of the people who are actively trying to give back and do some good in this hobby instead of just talking about what other people should be doing in the hobby. Well done, solid authentications are always desired, needed and welcomed. I can't do this alone. We can either bicker about how MPA should be -- and there have been a multitude of opinions expressed by individual people who have their own ideas of how MPA should be, way before APF's inception -- or we can all work together to make the information available on MPA so that everyone can benefit. Until that happens, it's just a bunch of talk without the walk.
(4) I do not need anyone to "spur" me to do anything. I do what I choose in the priority that I give it. Although some may feel things should be different, MPA and the forums are not my top priority, and they never will be. I work on MPA because of the desire to contribute to the hobby and I participate on the forums because I want to have fun with the hobby among my compatriots who understand the love for colorful bits of movie paper. When these things either consume an inordinate amount of my time or start to interfere with my real work and actual life, they drop even lower on my list of priorities. If this is not satisfactory to some people, perhaps satisfaction should be sought elsewhere.
Now, having written all this, I'm going to go back to my rest and recreation and to spending as much time with my family and friends as I can before I have to leave. I still haven't replaced my dead Powerbook and have been bumming off other people's computers. This means I'm going into hibernation again and will see y'all some time in August or September. Or when I bolster up the energy to kick up some dust. And frak if there doesn't need to be some dust kicked around here. I wish everyone well and much fun and enjoyment in our hobby.
Talk to y'all soon,
Jeannie
P.S. I'm so happy to see Arch (aka Jason No.2) finally on APF. BTW, I do not know how it was determined that Archie was the anonymous coward who posted that racist comment about me on NSFGE, but I assure you, that was not Arch. So let me emphatically clarify: There isn't a racist bone in Arch's leech and he would never post something like that. I consider Jason No. 2 a pal on NSFGE, so, please, let's clear him of this well-intentioned but erroneous accusation.
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Some time goes by and he announced he would be adding links from his site to other movie poster dealers....so I kindly asked to be included....and he refused (he said I wasn't established enough yet)....so I removed all references to his site from my site. Why should I link to someone....who thinks I'm not good enough to link to?
You always gloss over the fact that Dan was putting together a trusted dealer program with specific criteria (10 years in business I believe) that applied to everyone. He didn't single you out for exclusion. No matter how you try and spin it, removing all his references, while keeping his information was a low class move.
I get thank you messages almost daily for having authentication info. readily available. Does the info. help me sell posters? Who knows? Probably somewhat……but that is not the reason it is there. It is there to help out poster collectors. Period. There are about a dozen or so authentications listed on our site now….and all have been done by us, in house.
Yes, it is called Goodwill and corporations spend billions of dollars annually to acquire it. Let's face it, altruism is not exactly your strong suit.
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P.S. I'm so happy to see Arch (aka Jason No.2) finally on APF. BTW, I do not know how it was determined that Archie was the anonymous coward who posted that racist comment about me on NSFGE, but I assure you, that was not Arch. So let me emphatically clarify: There isn't a racist bone in Arch's leech and he would never post something like that. I consider Jason No. 2 a pal on NSFGE, so, please, let's clear him of this well-intentioned but erroneous accusation.
Thank you for the kind words (and right back at ya), but, to clarify, DPM wasn't trying to say that I was one who made that post. He was trying to draw equivalency between that post and my posts on MPF, which is a comparison of Faux News proportions.
PS - Mel, if you are going to 'print screen' us to death, can you at least re-size them down a bit... thanks.
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hmmm.....a whacking off scarecrow thinks I made a "low class move".
gimme a minute to process that..
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If you dig very very deep back into the internet archives - all publicly available - you'll find Dan's story and bits and parts of his old websites, although not complete:
I was born in the late 60's and grew up in Richmond B.C. Canada in the 70's and 80's.I always had a love of cameras and taking pictures. I started collecting movie posters around 7 years old. I covered every square inch of my room with movie posters, across the top and across the bottom and on both walls. I would stand on my bed, or chair and jump to the ceiling to stick them up at the top. I used Scotch Tape to keep them up but at night the tape would lose it's strength and I would wake up with a blanket of posters on me in the morning. I also had a 16mm set up in my basement with a 1 inch flat lens with a 8 foot picture and ran many movies for my friends. I was also the kid running the projector at school. I once carried a 16mm print of Blazing Saddles from my house to my elementary school and ran it for my Grade 6 class.
The first poster I remember wanting to keep was a teaser poster for "The Enforcer" and I still have that very same poster today. The second one was a poster for "The Gauntlet".
In April 1984 I began a career in video retail for a company called Video Stop. I rented/watched movies for about 3 years,then went to video distribution for a year. I worked many odd jobs until finally getting a licenced ticket in automotive repair through a private shop in 1992. I now work at a large automotive dealership.
I discovered the internet in 1996.I spent the next 4 years learning how to use a computer and visited almost every poster site out there. In September 2001 Spiderman Twin Tower reprints were being sold as originals on E-Bay and collectors were getting ripped off. As a collector it made me upset to see this so I uploaded a test site on a friend's server called "MyMoviePosters" and posted the information on how to tell the originals from the fakes. It became very popular with buyers and not so much with some of the sellers.
In 2004 I had computer problems and I lost the site.
On January 1st 2005 I started over, created a new site and renamed it “MoviePosterAuthentication".
Here's the list of authentications he had as of January 2006:
After Hours
Annie Hall
Clerks
Dazed & Confused
Enforcer
E.T. The Extra Terrestrial
Fargo
Finding Nemo
Flash Gordon
From Dusk Till Dawn
Gauntlet
Godfather
Goodfellas
Goonies
Grease
Heat
Heavy Metal
L.A. Confidential
Lost Boys
Matrix
Mean Streets
Nightmare Before Christmas
Over The Edge
Reservoir Dogs
Saving Private Ryan
Shawshank Redemption
Silence Of The Lambs
Singles
Species 2
Spiderman
Spiderman 2
Spy Kids 3D
Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan
Star Wars
Superman The Movie
Unforgiven
Usual Suspects
Wanderers
Warriors
Wings Of Desire
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hmmm.....a whacking off scarecrow thinks I made a "low class move".
gimme a minute to process that..
laugh1
That is actually funny. :)
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After answering the same questions 100 times, I think we just stand silent.
Now Im pretty embarrassed at some of my questions :-[ ...well maybe not so much embarrased as much as more understanding of some of the answers or lack of. 8)
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Talk to y'all soon,
Jeannie
Now, look who's alive and well!!! Glad to see you, my dear. I'm going to call you soon, so you better freakin' pick up. And none of that bullshit busy talk ;D Otherwise, I'll sell your body to the first taker on the freeway!
T
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If you dig very very deep back into the internet archives - all publicly available - you'll find Dan's story and bits and parts of his old websites, although not complete:
Like I said, Mel, the original site had more authentication. A few of us on here still have access to the 2nd authentication site (with all the movies you posted), but by respect for Dan, it won't get out of our personal files. It's the first one that I would love to have. All I have of that time is a copy of Dan's personal collection, with a few amazing pieces that I'm still trying to find.
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Someone made bootlegs of "Finding Nemo" & "Spy Kids 3D"? Seriously? Was there a huge demand for those posters that it necessitated fakes being printed up?
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So I've been going back and reading through many of the most popular NSF threads - lots of high-quality information there NSF people. (It's just too bad the NSF/MPF split ever occurred!)
Anway, all the same issues discussed here were hashed out endlessly on NSF more than two years ago here (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/4365/t/MPA-Is-it-really-for-the-collectors-by-the-collectors.html). In fact, the amount of verbiage ABOUT MPA vastly exceeds the verbiage ON MPA itself.
Since the let's-let-one-person-be-in-charge approach hasn't worked, maybe we should try the opposite: start a Wiki page that anybody can edit. Hell it worked for Wikipedia and NOBODY initially believed the multiple editor approach would ever work. I think Holiday mentioned that approach way back. Looks like somebody tried to start one here (http://movieposters.wikia.com/wiki/Movie_Posters_Wiki) - although it obviously didn't succeed.
Anybody have interest in that or have the technical knowledge to do it?
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hmmm.....a whacking off scarecrow thinks I made a "low class move".
gimme a minute to process that..
If it takes you a minute, then I've given you too much credit.
'I thought he was just waving at flies...'
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Anway, all the same issues discussed here were hashed out endlessly on NSF more than two years ago here (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/4365/t/MPA-Is-it-really-for-the-collectors-by-the-collectors.html). In fact, the amount of verbiage ABOUT MPA vastly exceeds the verbiage ON MPA itself.
Much of the real hashing out was done on MPT before it closed shop, but that threads probably a good summation.
Since the let's-let-one-person-be-in-charge approach hasn't worked, maybe we should try the opposite: start a Wiki page that anybody can edit. Hell it worked for Wikipedia and NOBODY initially believed the multiple editor approach would ever work. I think Holiday mentioned that approach way back. Looks like somebody tried to start one here (http://movieposters.wikia.com/wiki/Movie_Posters_Wiki) - although it obviously didn't succeed.
Anybody have interest in that or have the technical knowledge to do it?
It was the approach that I and Mr. Rosen suggested back when MPA first started up. Anyone could add information (which would be listed as unsubstantiated) until a trusted source was able to verify the information. (Change red text to black or some other signifier) I am in the process of working on a solution.
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I wouldn't pay attention to a single word Dave has to say on the subject of authenticity... not because neally all of 'his information' is second hand from MPT, Dan R. and others, although it is, and not because what isn't borrowed is mostly rumour designed as enhanced selling tactics, although it is.
I would ignore Dave, because his base assessment is 'real until proven fake', when truly reputable dealer work the other way around.
now that I have time to be back again, I'll be responding to lots of stuff that I'm just starting to read.. but to Jason's analysis - he is incorrect when he says "I would ignore Dave, because his base assessment is 'real until proven fake', when truly reputable dealer work the other way around."
what is correct is that any reputable dealer holds his judgement one way or the other - it's neither a bootleg or an original - it's a questionable poster..
that said, I agree that the Star Wars posters believed to be bootlegs are indeed bootlegs because I have originals to make comparisons, and because I know where my posters came from. Someone shows me a Pulp Fiction bootleg, and I know it is absolutely 100% a bootleg.
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hmmm.....a whacking off scarecrow thinks I made a "low class move".
gimme a minute to process that..
the scarecrow doesn't need 60 seconds
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Anyone notice that whenever the discussion turns to whacking off, Rich is there like a bear? No matter how "busy" he is doing other things. Odd!
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Anyone notice that whenever the discussion turns to whacking off, Rich is there like a bear? No matter how "busy" he is doing other things. Odd!
I did notice Bruce. And then I smiled...
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Anyone notice that whenever the discussion turns to whacking off, Rich is there like a bear? No matter how "busy" he is doing other things. Odd!
well then stop doing it or you'll go blind Bruce.
if you folks want to see what I've been busy with, it's trying to get 1000 boxes of comics from an auction moved in 110 degree heat, sorting out 10,000 books to sell to someone, and trying to force the other 980 boxes into my warehouse
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and there are 8 pallets more in my neighbor's warehouse
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I did notice Bruce. And then I smiled...
you're gonna go blind too
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and you're going blind as we speak
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Oh lord, did you do a Ross buy?
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well then stop doing it or you'll go blind Bruce.
if you folks want to see what I've been busy with, it's trying to get 1000 boxes of comics from an auction moved in 110 degree heat, sorting out 10,000 books to sell to someone, and trying to force the other 980 boxes into my warehouse
(http://www.movieposterbid.com/news_pics/warehouse.jpg)
and there are 8 pallets more in my neighbor's warehouse
Damn, Rich, did you win everything in Torpedo's auction?
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Angelo, we took 4 24ft trucks out of there.
these guys from Utah took out 4 semi's & 3 trucks
some other guys in Vegas took 12 trucks
it was somewhere between 5 & 15 million books
I even got a blackjack table.. so I'll be making some extra cash this wekend out behind my warehouse
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Angelo, we took 4 24ft trucks out of there.
these guys from Utah took out 4 semi's & 3 trucks
some other guys in Vegas took 12 trucks
it was somewhere between 5 & 15 million books
I even got a blackjack table.. so I'll be making some extra cash this wekend out behind my warehouse
I can't imagine having to grade and process that much inventory. After awhile everything would look the same to me
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you're nuts
we'll be having monthly warehouse sales
25c books
1$ book
1/2 price priced books
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you're nuts
we'll be having monthly warehouse sales
25c books
1$ book
1/2 price priced books
Sweet...Where is the warehouse? I always liked comics in my ute. 8)
Is there already someplace? or what happens when there is a poster warehouse like that?
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"what happens when there is a poster warehouse like that?"
If they are smart, they consign it to http://www.eMoviePoster.com (http://www.eMoviePoster.com)
If they AREN'T smart, they hold a giant auction where only dealers buy, and then LOTS of those buyers consign what they bought at low wholesale prices to http://www.eMoviePoster.com (http://www.eMoviePoster.com)!
Bruce
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Another "flawless" bootleg Star Wars C on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-ORIGINAL-1977-MOVIE-POSTER-FRAMED-FLAWLESS-/250668080433):
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Fake-1.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/fake5.jpg)
Not too hard to spot 'em, even from a distance - fireball and laser gas cloud are much less prominent:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/COMP.jpg)
PS - I borrowed the above comparison pics from Cinemasterpieces
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Did I mention this pride of my collection?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/posterfreak/FORUM/BRMINTY.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/posterfreak/FORUM/COA.jpg)
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Did I mention this pride of my collection?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/posterfreak/FORUM/BRMINTY.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/posterfreak/FORUM/COA.jpg)
Really?!
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yep, one of my treasures.
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Amazing!
That's going to be worth a shitload of money one day for sure!!!
Armin
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That might be one of the craziest things I have ever seen since I jumped into this hobby. Hilarious, don't know what else to say..
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Is it a minty white? That would be icing on the cake!
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Ari, can the sticker be removed or, did the overzealous Mr. Powers devalue your poster? mesmrized
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Ari, can the sticker be removed or, did the overzealous Mr. Powers devalue your poster? mesmrized
I suspect Mr. Richards would prefer to leave it on for sentimental reasons...
Oh and because it's a FAKE ;)
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That's a good point. The Powers imprimatur certainly authenticates it as a complete fraud, so it does have that going for it.
--Peter
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I suspect Mr. Richards would prefer to leave it on for sentimental reasons...
Oh and because it's a FAKE ;)
I didn't realize that, Chris. What did I miss?
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Did I mention this pride of my collection?
Come on, Ari, give us the whole story on this.....
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I didn't realize that, Chris. What did I miss?
I am sure Ari can tell the story in more detail but basically it is one of the infamous Minty White frauds...
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it is a minty white fake, and I bought it as such, well, as in I bought it as such, the seller is one of the notorious ones, in fact look at the pics of Prof Powers, its not hard to spot WHO he is under the disguise, so I bought one off him, and asked it to be 1st authenticated by the Prof, he agreed, and voila, the sticker can be removed but I wont. I love it, the amount of time we all spent talking about this stuff on Mopo, MPT and NS4 over the years, it for me became something I found so interesting that to me this is better than the real deal. part of Poster collecting history.
I was glad Prof was pleased to do it, and he had a good sense of humour about it.
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A-ha...a "minty whiter"...gotcha Ari, thanks.
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it is a minty white fake, and I bought it as such, well, as in I bought it as such, the seller is one of the notorious ones, in fact look at the pics of Prof Powers, its not hard to spot WHO he is under the disguise, so I bought one off him, and asked it to be 1st authenticated by the Prof, he agreed, and voila, the sticker can be removed but I wont. I love it, the amount of time we all spent talking about this stuff on Mopo, MPT and NS4 over the years, it for me became something I found so interesting that to me this is better than the real deal. part of Poster collecting history.
I was glad Prof was pleased to do it, and he had a good sense of humour about it.
Who is he?
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Who is he?
Yes, who is he under the disguise?
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Yes, who is he under the disguise?
This would be like revealing Superman's secret identity!
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Clark Kent. Now tell us already!
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http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/5978
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/1739
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A-ha....Tom Loce...thank you...
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Ive always wondered wether or not Prof Powers was a kinda in joke within the community.?
Is Tom Loce a real person? and who is he???
It would be good to know what the MINTYWHITEGATE scandal was all about!!
Stew
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Hey, Stew...here's Tom Loce...Ebay poster dealer..
http://shop.ebay.com/tloceposters/m.html?_adv=1&_dmd=1&_in_kw=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 (http://shop.ebay.com/tloceposters/m.html?_adv=1&_dmd=1&_in_kw=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1)
As for the "minty white" fraud, someone must have a link to the scuttlebut I am sure was discussed at NS4.
Chris, maybe?
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http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/index/articles/fakes.asp#minty
OR
Just punch in "minty white" on basically any other poster forum!
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Excellent reading CSM and Brude,thanks
Stew
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I just call him the dumbbell doofus.
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Tom (hi tom) has made some interesting TV also, do a search. (and Hi Tom is because I am sure he is reading)
What I find "funny" is the dealers in these, have a sense of humour about it, Prof powers site is an example, anyone with half a brain will KNOW its a load of crap.
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This just gets weirder and weirder:
Life Without Shame
Life without shame was a late-night cable show hosted by Tom Loce and Ed Richter. They would go around strip clubs and video tape chicks dancing and other such porn. They would feature drag queens, prostitutes and derelicts in their natural habitat. They hosted the hobo olympics for christ sake. Homeless men would put on a fashion show, compete in a dildo javelin toss and do other shit I forgot about for the grand prize of a cooler full of hooch. Also it was one of the first and only REAL reality shows ever aired. Unfortunately it was brought down by good ol fashioned moral decency and the evil people who uphold it. I really really miss that show...
Reminds me of another cheesy show....
"It's Wayne's World, it's Wayne's World / It's party time, it's excellent / It's Wayne's World, it's Waynes World / It's party time, it's excellent!"
(http://www.grouchoreviews.com/content/films/3417/2.jpg)
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I doesn't sound like it was all fun and games...
court complaint (http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/01/nyregion/producers-defend-reviled-cable-tv-show.html)
Went to court in 1998 and final appeal was in 1999.
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Did I mention this pride of my collection?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/posterfreak/FORUM/BRMINTY.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/posterfreak/FORUM/COA.jpg)
This just made me chuckle... Man there is so much I missed...
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I missed it too. It's awesome!
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your darn tootin' its awesome. I might make fakes of it!
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I am going as Professor Powers for halloween this year. Can't wait until October!
Think anyone will know who I am?
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hahaha cool, do you hve halloween in canada? we dont, except some young hipsters pretend we do these days.
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hahaha cool, do you hve halloween in canada? we dont, except some young hipsters pretend we do these days.
Of course we do. What's wrong with you Aussies?!
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We are more like our MOTHERLAND than you pagen thugs ;)
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We are more like our MOTHERLAND than you pagen thugs ;)
Time for the little Aussie emus to leave the nest ;)
Halloween was made for you Ari
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Yet another useless pugnacious post from the belittling curmudgeon Archie. At least Dave's got a sense of humor:
There's nothing useless about it,Mel.Good advice.Look at The Professor...some collectors will be duped by that site.There could be other poster companies that pop up with authentication pages that may a change a detail or two.Try to fool ya.
Dave,is of course not doing that with his site.
Sellers sell,collectors collect,The motives are totally different.Yes,we are blessed with some trustworthy dealers(many who are on this forum),but there's alot of bad ones over the years that have dun way worse than sell a minty white, or ship your poster in a triangle tube.Because of this collectors like to do as much of the leg work they can(themselves) before pulling the trigger.It's not personal,just a condition.
Archie,is not attacking Dave the person,hell we all like Dave ( and have for years),funny dude,he's making reference to his questionable buisness practices in the past.
Bottom line,there's a history you are cleary are unaware of.
As far as, Archie being banned from MPF for crude remarks...that's not what happened.Again,history.
Mel,you mention there isn't any sites to get info about fake posters....you're standing in one.
No, it's not devoted to just authentication,there isn't pics of every poster complete with all the info,but all ya gotta do is yell out a poster and someone here has it I'm sure.Pics and info will follow.
Archie, 2+ years of this? Really? The hobby raises a glass.
I got the bends already.
Anthony
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Archie, 2+ years of this? Really? The hobby raises a glass.
I got the bends already.
To be fair, Mel has done a good bit of catching up in the intervening two years since this dust-up (I had completely forgotten the beginning of this thread) and we've evolved to the point where we can maintain general civility on the same thread. So we got that goin' for us, which is nice...
I do like your point about APF being an authentication site...
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what we need is prof powers to authenticate the forum, the background looks suspicious to me.
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There's nothing useless about it,Mel.Good advice.
Old news Anthony. Two years, 100 avatars, 3000 posts, and several dozen forum feuds and dustups have come and gone in the interim....
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/thismo.jpg)
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what we need is prof powers to authenticate the forum, the background looks suspicious to me.
;D
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Old news Anthony. Two years, 100 avatars, 3000 posts, and several dozen forum feuds and dustups have come and gone in the interim....
Yes,I am well aware it's an old tread.However,since Archie was doing most of the explaining,I am unaware if you just blew him off or if someone since then, took the time to break some of this down for you.Cuz I didn't see anything in the thread stating otherwise.
If so,disregard.
Anthony
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Yes,I am well aware it's an old tread.However,since Archie was doing most of the explaining,I am unaware if you just blew him off or if someone since then, took the time to break some of this down for you.Cuz I didn't see anything in the thread stating otherwise.
If so,disregard.
Anthony
Mel,you mention there isn't any sites to get info about fake posters....you're standing in one.
No, it's not devoted to just authentication,there isn't pics of every poster complete with all the info,but all ya gotta do is yell out a poster and someone here has it I'm sure.Pics and info will follow.
Anthony, I've been running MoviePosterCollectors.com, the only active movie poster authentication site on the Internet for the last two years (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Authentications.html), which is second in the Google results (https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=17&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=movie+poster+authentication), so you've got some catching up to do.
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hmmmm
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Anthony, I've been running MoviePosterCollectors.com, the only active movie poster authentication site on the Internet for the last two years (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Authentications.html), which is second in the Google results (https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=17&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=movie+poster+authentication), so you've got some catching up to do.
No, Mel, I referring to the 'Dave' disscussion and the MPF part.
But you're correct,I do have catching up to do.
Congrats on the site.
Anthony
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Seems to me someone (Mel!) who has a some reasonable grasp of legalese should drop the host of the Professor's website and let them know they are hosting a convicted felon whose website promotes the very thing(s) he was convicted of etc.
Pretty quick way of removing the offending site I would have thought.
A quick scan of their T&C and it seems it contravenes a couple of their terms: http://info.lycos.com/resources/terms-of-service plus they do provide the contact address of their legal department.
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No way, the site should be online forever, just for the laughs!
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agreed, one of the best sites ever, I might have to save a backup just in case.
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I made captures of all screens some time ago! It's a piece of history :)
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I bet you guys will be offering me 6 original BR inserts for mine in 20 years. ;D
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No one takes that site seriously. Long live Professor Powers!
Plus it's practically a time capsule from the "build your own cheesy website" from the Stone Age of the Internet:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Powers.jpg)
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ahhhhh, those were the days. I remember back in 2002 or 2003 getting a call from rochester telling me "I'll sue you" if you keep saying bad stuff about me on the message boards. I think I actually was the first one to point out the striking resemblance between him and Professor Powers. I know he used to read all the boards religiously, I wonder if he still does?
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(http://blog.openstudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/crazy-professor.jpg)
Hello, my name is Professor Brude O. Ver Nudes -- and I would like to tell you a little about myself and my lack of credentials. While I have received no formal education of any type, I earned my street degree patronizing prostitutes, tipping strippers, keyhole voyeurism and being breast-fed by a number of well-endowed wet nurses. Born a long time ago, I discovered at an early age that the sight of scantily-clad women made my pulse pound and my appendages tingle and swell, so I decided to lend my talents to the art of authenticating pictures and paintings of nekkid wimmen. Please feel free to send me any pin-ups, photos, used magazines, erotic ephemera and cheesecake. Please DO NOT send any beefcake -- direct them to my cohort in mischief, Professor Leonard Powers.
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(http://blog.openstudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/crazy-professor.jpg)
Hello, my name is Professor Brude O. Ver Nudes -- and I would like to tell you a little about myself and my lack of credentials. While I have received no formal education of any type, I earned my street degree patronizing prostitutes, tipping strippers, keyhole voyeurism and being breast-fed by a number of well-endowed wet nurses. Born a long time ago, I discovered at an early age that the sight of scantily-clad women made my pulse pound and my appendages tingle and swell, so I decided to lend my talents to the art of authenticating pictures and paintings of nekkid wimmen. Please feel free to send me any pin-ups, photos, used magazines, erotic ephemera and cheesecake. Please DO NOT send any beefcake -- direct them to my cohort in mischief, Professor Leonard Powers.
You need a sidekick? :D
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laugh1
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You need a sidekick? :D
As a matter of fact, I do need a good man in Argentina.
Please start by finding me some posters for Argentine Soccer Babes and help me ID the lady in this video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhqo6LQ2bE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhqo6LQ2bE)
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As a matter of fact, I do need a good man in Argentina.
Please start by finding me some posters for Argentine Soccer Babes and help me ID the lady in this video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhqo6LQ2bE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhqo6LQ2bE)
No problem Professor!
Her name is Carolina Ardohain (aka Pampita). She's a model, so looking good is part of her job
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TtETuS0HEkM/T5ahfboF78I/AAAAAAAAFrk/Rudpmxo21ds/s1600/AAA.jpg)
The soccer posters might take some time... ;)
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(http://www.mysterycorp.com/temp/bravo.gif)
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I have noticed lately, that people here just are going off topic too easily, and I am noticing a distinct lack of morals and manners.
Also, did anyone know that 1+1=2 and if not then go fuck yourselves.
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No problem Professor!
Her name is Carolina Ardohain (aka Pampita). She's a model, so looking good is part of her job
(http://images.newcelebritypics.com/img/celebs/images/c/carolina_ardohain-8684.jpg)
Good work Agent 110x75. Pampita is delightful.
Thought this pic would look good in our 'packaging' thread, but Ari would accuse me of going 'off topic.'
(Ari, there is only one topic really worth posting -- and it ain't El Brendel.) wynk
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ohh, well I changed my mind, its ON TOPIC I dont like, unless the topic is mighty sexy.
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(http://images.newcelebritypics.com/img/celebs/images/c/carolina_ardohain-8684.jpg)
Good work Agent 110x75. Pampita is delightful.
Thought this pic would look good in our 'packaging' thread, but Ari would accuse me of going 'off topic.'
(Ari, there is only one topic really worth posting -- and it ain't El Brendel.) wynk
Ted,
Duct tape never looked so good. And no broken or split seams..... yet. ;)
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A new way to wax!
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Exactly.
No gloppy melted, or overheated wax, no fuss, no muss!
Just roll it on, and strip it off!! happy1
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A new way to wax!
(http://swittersb.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/duct-tape-3.jpg)
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You know what's awesome about Tom Loce ? He uses the exact same punctuation style as Professor Powers . How awesome is that ! It's like some kind of secret Morse code . What a coincidence !
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF2/Loce.jpg)
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF2/Loce2.jpg)
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Apparently he also uses the same punctuation as Dean Landers ;)
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Apparently he also uses the same punctuation as Dean Landers ;)
Bingo, Mr. Holmes. wynk
It's like fingerprints.
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Whatever you may say about Mr Loce, he has a good sense of humour.
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Whatever you may say about Mr Loce, he has a good sense of humour.
Really?
(http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake-Seller-tloceposters_files/screenshot008pc.jpg)
(http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake-Seller-tloceposters_files/Screen%20shot%202012-04-22%20at%2010.58.22%20AM.jpg)
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF2/LOCE4.jpg)
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well some times then ;)
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Baseless fear-mongering threats me thinks...
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the last one is funny, fuzzy wuzzy bear you, I think thats what he calls prof Powers beard.
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I think he likes you Mel.
:-*
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MOVIEGOODS.COM
SELLER OF MOVIE POSTER REPRINTS
MovieGoods is a notorious seller of cheap movie poster reproductions, although it sells a few original posters. Collectors always want to buy originals. A reprint is essentially worthless and very difficult to resell and should be avoided in almost all cases. Unlike some other sellers in the Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame, MovieGoods does not directly lie to its customers. However, it belongs in the Hall of Shame because it obscures and hides the fact that it selling cheap reproductions, not originals.
I'm confused, last time I looked at their site (and it has been a while) their originals are clearly marked as such, meaning anything not marked as such is a repro...what's changed?
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I'm confused, last time I looked at their site (and it has been a while) their originals are clearly marked as such, meaning anything not marked as such is a repro...what's changed?
Ves, according to their site, they state the following:
"Many items on our website are originals. A key indicator of original posters is the Original Item icon shown below. Descriptions for common original items include 1 Sheet Posters, Half Sheets, Lobby Cards, Inserts, Window Cards and 3 Sheet Posters. If you have questions about a specific item, Contact Us anytime."
(http://www.moviegoods.com/images/layout/authentic-seal.gif)
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This is an interesting thread. I was totally oblivious to the existence of these dealers. The information is very helpful.
I think I will print all this out. Bedtime reading :)
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This is an interesting thread. I was totally oblivious to the existence of these dealers. The information is very helpful.
I think I will print all this out. Bedtime reading :)
little bump for newer members :) Powers aka Tom Loce
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Powers vs Iron Sheik , WrestleMania 31...book it !
Let's get ready to "hum-bell" >:D
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Nothing says credibility like a dark pony-tail sticking out from behind your fake white beard, as seen on the "about me" page.
Now, now younglings, respect your elders.
--Peter
Gotta love the pony tail. I think he went for the James Randi look (irony at its best)
(http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/mymovieposters/Images/Aboutme/drpowers.jpg)(http://stuffpoint.com/james-randi/image/316984-james-randi-james-randi-quote-6.jpg)
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Powers sounds like an Inspector Gadget villain....maybe he's in cahoots with Dr Claw ;D :P
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His ponytail picture disappeared on the website today????....but here it is from other sources:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Fake%20movie%20poster%20seller.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20fake%20movie%20posters.png)
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I wonder how Mel and Tom are getting along these days?
I mean...with each other.
wynk
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This is from the Minty White Inserts Section:
This is where he talks about having the posters Carbon Dated LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL so dumb.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Fake%20Inserts%20Minty%20White%201.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Fake%20Inserts%20Minty%20White%202.png)
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In his own words after reading this "I was sick to death".
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Can you carbon date paper or cardboard? (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100411131154AADjiTr)
Quick answer, no.
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Can you carbon date paper or cardboard? (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100411131154AADjiTr)
Quick answer, no.
With carbon dating there is always a +/- error of several years - usually like 50-100+ from what I have read. As such, even if it could be done, carbon dating something so recent as supposedly stemming from the 70s or 80s would fall within that +/- acceptable date range margin of error and thus prove invalid anyways...
Carbon dating is much more useful for ancient artifacts/remains etc where the margin of error is much more appropriate to define a range and the exact date does not need to be pinpointed
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Didn't Bruce get involved with some sort of paper analysis on the minty whites? I seem to recall that they showed that the paper used had ingredients that weren't present in papers of the 1980s.
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I think it may have been Todd from MPGrading...
EDIT: Here is the presentation from a few years back... click towards the end for the results of the minty white analyses.
http://www.slideshare.net/MPGrading/mp-grading-tradeshow-presentation-8245733
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With carbon dating there is always a +/- error of several years - usually like 50-100+ from what I have read. As such, even if it could be done, carbon dating something so recent as supposedly stemming from the 70s or 80s would fall within that +/- acceptable date range margin of error and thus prove invalid anyways...
Carbon dating is much more useful for ancient artifacts/remains etc where the margin of error is much more appropriate to define a range and the exact date does not need to be pinpointed
Respect the Proff... I mean, the archaeologist. ;)
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Respect the Proff... I mean, the archaeologist. ;)
And don't forget to bow - or curtsy for the ladies notworthy.gif
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Next Up Pulp Fiction and Star Wars:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Tom%20Loce%20Pulp%20fiction.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Tom%20Loce%20Star%20Wars%20%281%29.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Tom%20Loce%20Star%20Wars%20%283%29.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Tom%20Loce%20Star%20Wars%20%284%29.png)
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Those fake/bootleg inserts are so easy to spot. If you've handled many real ones it's not even close. On the fakes the paper is even glossy on the backside. Most of them are cropped, too. I feel so bad when I check the eBay sales history and see people buying up fake inserts from these con artists. It's so sad.
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yup yup, all the stuff in green above was removed from his site some time ago....most likely because his explanations are ridiculous!!
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Star Wars:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/Professor%20Powers%20Tom%20Loce%20Star%20Wars%20%281%29.png)
Gotta love it. And the poster lean on works so well, too. Very authoritative. ;D
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Just out of curiosity am I the only one who does not even believe the beard and hair on him? Looks like a bad makeup job to me.
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Just out of curiosity am I the only one who does not even believe the beard and hair on him? Looks like a bad makeup job to me.
Mike, the other pics that clearly show his ponytail are the dead giveaways.
Have you never seen those? They are priceless. ;D
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No, can;t keep myself on the sit long enough to look through much of it. Makes me want to puke reading the BS.
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No, can;t keep myself on the sit long enough to look through much of it. Makes me want to puke reading the BS.
No need to read... just quickly scroll thru until you get to the pics! LOL
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Just out of curiosity am I the only one who does not even believe the beard and hair on him? Looks like a bad makeup job to me.
It's better to just embrace and enjoy the obvious lack of authenticity - kind of like Las Vegas
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Ah, TLoce... Mel's bestest buddy.
>:D
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It's better to just embrace and enjoy the obvious lack of authenticity - kind of like Las Vegas
True! :)
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But it's more fun to wonder how he kept his skin so nice for 65+ actually 77 years, not a single wrinkle. He could get rich off that alone! I should email him for his secret even his hands haven't aged a day.
On second thought I am going to ask him a question about one of his posters but I think I will do it through E-Bay but direct it to Powers and see what he responds with. Might be fun.
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But it's more fun to wonder how he kept his skin so nice for 65+ actually 77 years, not a single wrinkle. He could get rich off that alone! I should email him for his secret even his hands haven't aged a day.
On second thought I am going to ask him a question about one of his posters but I think I will do it through E-Bay but direct it to Powers and see what he responds with. Might be fun.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/fcce11cf12ce5e2d7a05ca14131b753d/tumblr_n1ez4ytC801smxcero1_500.jpg)
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Just been reading through a few threads and thought I'd give this a bump to the new members on here.
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This BS site still lives!
http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/mymovieposters/ (http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/mymovieposters/)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-03%20at%209.14.59%20AM_zpslfguwg7n.jpg) (http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/HereComesMongo1968/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-03%20at%209.14.59%20AM_zpslfguwg7n.jpg.html)