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Movie Posters => General Discussion => Topic started by: eatbrie on December 10, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
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A question I've meant to ask for a while now. As I grow older in the hobby, I find myself more attracted to the artwork of some countries versus others.
The best (IMO, of course):
1 France (size matters, and artists like Soubie, Grinsson, Noel, Belinski, Hurel and others are a notch above all. And no, it's not because I'm French.)
1 Italy (the paper sucks, it is very difficult to get mint old Italian posters, but the designs are simply breathtaking. Not into locandinas.)
2 Japan (great art, a little too busy at times, especially for older titles. Japanese lettering can add to the art, or overtake it.)
3 Poland and Eastern Europe (just for the weirdness of it all and a pure attempt of expression by repressed artists.)
Okay
4 US (very middle of the road in most cases, I have yet to fall in love with an artist. For 90% of the titles, I find the French and Italian designs way more appealing.)
5 Australia (only OS.)
6 UK (I like the format, but not a huge fan of poster artists in general. But the format is great.)
7 Thai (not very refine, but always entertaining with added visuals.)
7 Turkish (same as above.)
No appeal to me
8 Spain (paper quality sucks, artists like Jano are certainly commendable, but the printing is usually awful.)
9 Argentina (I don't know enough to comment, but I haven't seen anything amazing thus far.)
10 Belgium (too small and way too much lettering... Repeating a title 3 times might have something to do with it.)
Now remember, this is all personal taste, but I'm very interested to hear what strikes you guys fancy and why.
T
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I mainly collect Quads as we all know, but have quite a range of sizes and countries. It's mostly about the film for me, I buy from films I like to posters I like. Mostly Quads and F.O.H. Stills as that's what I remember growing up with at the local cinema's.
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but have quite a range of sizes and countries.
Can you expend, Paul?
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In the past, I would generally avoid any non-English language posters, but I am delving deeper into the international paper these days and have found many beautiful designs.
Despite any of my critical comments below, there are exceptions to every rule and I have found 'must have' posters from ALL of the following countries.
While my collection might not accurately reflect my evolving taste in poster art, this is how I roll at the moment...
1) US (One sheets are my favorite size posters; a great diversity of past/present artists -- Brown, McGinnis, Peak, Amsel, Alvin, Struzan, Frazetta, Boris, etc.,etc.)
2) UK (Quads and UK one sheets are favorites especially when they utilize different art)
3) Australia (not a big daybill fan, but I really like the Aussie one sheets when they use different art)
4) Italy (Any size except locadinas; past poster artists might be the most talented ever to paint movie advertising)
5) Spain (One sheet designs are often very passionate and creative and I love the Spanish language)
6) Argentina (One sheets, for the same reasons I dig posters from Spain above)
7) Thailand (Outrageously original with 'in your face' graphics and color)
8) German (Very bold and brash, but larger posters are definitely hard to find)
9) France (Like some of the artists but posters are either too large or too small)
10) Turkey (Some interesting designs, but too much swiping from other artists)
11) Belgian (Love the colors, but too much typography and too small in size)
12) Japan (Great printing and some fine artists, but generally cluttered and heavy on photos)
13) Poland and East Germany (Like a few, but can't yet wrap my head around their 'unique' perspective on movie advertising)
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Australia - stone litho/hand litho - colour saturation is striking in most cases. Daybills are easy to store and frame (well somewhat anyways). Art on Aussie one sheets generally is much better executed then on daybills. In most cases I dislike the use of photos as art and so the Aussie lithography is perfect for me. Finding daybills for certain titles is also a big challenge due to their relative scarcity vs. US and other countries - this enhances the thrill of the hunt (even if I am almost exclusively at the mercy of what is posted to the internet - and what my generous Aussie Agents can locate on the ground ;) )
Unfortunately, the standards on many daybills declined significantly by the mid to late 50s leading to some embarassingly ugly posters :(
Oh and there are no (apart from a few select instances) specifically Canadian posters.
That said, I of course do have have several US posters and a couple Belgians (where the artwork can be amazingly rendered!)
Japan - 0% interest in any of these posters - partially because of the language but mainly, as Ted noted, due to overuse of photographs
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Can you expend, Paul?
Well I have 10x8 stills, lobby cards, Mex lobby cards, photobustas, Belgians, a couple of window cards, inserts, daybills, Half-sheets, one sheets, Quads, 2 sheets, 3 sheets, 4 sheets, 6 sheets, and 12 sheets...Size-wise. A few other odds.
Posters from U.K. U.S. France, Spain, Australia, Belgium, Italy, a couple from Germany as I'm not keen on German posters, Maybe a few others. I don't have any Japanese, or chinese posters as I can't get away with the writing.... I have been tempted, but as I've said before there's a lot of posters out there, and I'd rather pick up another Quad than those.
I've probably missed something out...
Edit, and bus stop posters...
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Oh yeah, I forgot Australia. But only for OS. And Italy, only for OS or 2S. I generally stay away from Daybills and Locandinas. Like Belgium posters, too small.
@Ted... It's funny, I've heard of this "English only" thing you mentioned, and this is something I never quite understood. Maybe it's because I'm a foreigner myself. I love Japanese posters even though I can't read a word of Japanese. It's all about concept and design for me, how the lettering is placed on the artwork, which is also why older Japanese posters can be overbearing and busy. I really don't care if I can read it or not.
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I collect from the US because I don't travel as much as I used to
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1. Japan (Art and size)
2. US Silk Screens (Limited number and art)
3. Italy and France (Art and size)
4. US and UK (Lightboxes)
5. Poland (Different expression)
6. Thai and Turkish (Artwork)
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1. Quads (Fiscal limitations)
2.
Stew
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@Ted... It's funny, I've heard of this "English only" thing you mentioned, and this is something I never quite understood. Maybe it's because I'm a foreigner myself. I love Japanese posters even though I can't read a word of Japanese. It's all about concept and design for me, how the lettering is placed on the artwork, which is also why older Japanese posters can be overbearing and busy. I really don't care if I can read it or not.
I think that is a holdover from my youth when I got true enjoyment 'reading' the entire poster, complete with cast and credits.
I would savor every word and read them aloud like a commercial.
Needless to say, I don't do that anymore...I read 'em silently now. wynk
Seriously, the internet and forums like this have opened my eyes to the wealth of beautiful posters from all around the world.
The language barriers I previously had have thankfully eroded and crumbled.
My collection is starting to expand with more and more foreign entries and I am sure that as I dig deeper, I will find a lot more to collect from countries that I currently do not.
Except for Ghana. They are mother-fucking ugly. wynk
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Except for Ghana. They are mother-fucking ugly. wynk
Yeah AND scary!
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90-95% of my collection is US one sheets/UK quads - mainly country of origin - to me there should be a connection between the artwork, title and tagline in a a film poster - if I cannot regrettably read the words on a non-English language poster, unless it is country of origin or the film has a connection with the country of the poster, the artwork has to compensate by being striking. Italian posters from the 1950's (two-foglio size) are perhaps my favourite genre but I generally prefer as close to one sheet size as possible from other countries.
I know Japanese posters are popular on this forum but I personally have a lot of difficulty making a connection between Japanese script and artwork for a film which depicts a "western" theme and consequently I only have around a dozen such posters.
Mark
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What strikes me most so far is how we are all so different. I think it's very encouraging and it explains why a forum like ours is so diverse, interesting and a constant learning experience.
T
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Aside from the fact I have a Japanese poster site, of what I personally collect, it is not just to do with style, art etc, but also potential market value.
For me it's:
1. US One Sheets - most collectable size for classic posters
2. UK Quads - like the fact the size has a cinema screen ratio
3. Japanese - love the variations of art work that pop up and use of textured paper
4. Italian - love the art work but sizes are quite impractical
5. French - again the sizes are awkard - either grand is too big or small size is too small.
Definitely not interested in Belgian posters - they just don't seem to hold much value.
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Aside from the fact I have a Japanese poster site, of what I personally collect, it is not just to do with style, art etc, but also potential market value.
For me it's:
1. US One Sheets - most collectable size for classic posters
2. UK Quads - like the fact the size has a cinema screen ratio
3. Japanese - love the variations of art work that pop up and use of textured paper
4. Italian - love the art work but sizes are quite impractical
5. French - again the sizes are awkard - either grand is too big or small size is too small.
Definitely not interested in Belgian posters - they just don't seem to hold much value.
Sensing a lot of hatt for Belgians..whats the story ?
Stew
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I enjoy collecting;
US One Sheets / Half Sheets & Inserts (like the thicker paper stock)
Australian Litho Daybills
UK Quads
French panels
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1. US -- available, and country of origin for a lot of the films I am interested in
2. Japan -- i love that they often use very high quality paper and inks. the closest thing to screen print found in theater paper.
3. UK -- often superior art, but also often much harder to find than their American counterparts
4. Thai -- usually different, very appealing art. But, very little variation in artistic style.
5. Czech -- i usually prefer them over polish, but they are similar
6. Hungarian -- almost without exception, I love the art on these. would be higher if they were more available
7. Italian/French -- love the art on many, but like Ed said, I find the sizes awkward
8. Romania -- see #6, though I have seen more stinkers from this country
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6. Hungarian -- almost without exception, I love the art on these. would be higher if they were more available
Care to share ?
Stew
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Care to share ?
Stew
Here are the two I own (soon to be a third). I will post pics of that one when I have it.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AzOX4VLIb-k/TkiYJFOLshI/AAAAAAAAGK0/J37J5eJypnk/s800/Godfather%252520Hungarian.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Ck5nUyhNXPM/Sx4y7VvCswI/AAAAAAAAA-0/Lmn0IpQeHDY/s800/apocalypse%252520now%252520hungarian.jpg)
Hungarian Star Wars Trilogy (from Thierry's site)
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Starwars25.jpg)
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Starwarsempirestrikesback21.jpg)
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Starwarsreturnofthejedi13.jpg)
That is a sample, and there are others. Its even hard to find digital images for some, let alone the actual posters. I love the style though. To me, it sits somewhere between the ultra-abstract that is usually found in polish art and the literal interpretation of the Thai artists.
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Here are the two I own (soon to be a third). I will post pics of that one when I have it.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AzOX4VLIb-k/TkiYJFOLshI/AAAAAAAAGK0/J37J5eJypnk/s800/Godfather%252520Hungarian.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Ck5nUyhNXPM/Sx4y7VvCswI/AAAAAAAAA-0/Lmn0IpQeHDY/s800/apocalypse%252520now%252520hungarian.jpg)
Hungarian Star Wars Trilogy (from Thierry's site)
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Starwars25.jpg)
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Starwarsempirestrikesback21.jpg)
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Starwarsreturnofthejedi13.jpg)
That is a sample, and there are others. Its even hard to find digital images for some, let alone the actual posters. I love the style though. To me, it sits somewhere between the ultra-abstract that is usually found in polish art and the literal interpretation of the Thai artists.
Cheers man, I love the indistinct border on the GF,I also like the Apocalypse Now..Star Wars.meh..
Stew
Very late edit..
The Empire posters are pretty cool too...
Stew
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Going by body count alone.
1) U.S....They are easier to get.
2) Japan...Many of them just appeal to me.
3,4,5,6,7 are too close to call so Ill just say....
3) Europe
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The order I would grab first in a fire:
- US posters (6 sheet colors I love)
- Italian (great artwork)
- Mexican Lobby Cards (comprise half my collection)
- Leave the quads and daybills to make their own way out ;)
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No Pakistani posters on anyones list??
Mine are (in pretty much of order)
US
French 47x63s
Quads
Italian Manifestos
Pakistanis
Some Japanese posters
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I would have to say US poster are tops on my list but there are many others that I collect.
Daybills may be my favorite after the one sheet. Or it may be French,belguims or Japanese posters.
The only posters I shy away from are Spanish and German. Posters from Spain never seam right and the German poster I think it is just my dislike of the language as is comes across to harsh for some reason.
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1) Japanese B1 & B2 - Thoughtful, varied art and great paper quality
2) UK Quads - It's where I grew up, and is my greatest memory as a young filmgoer
3) US 1-sheets - Variety, and classic titles
4) Australian 1-sheet and daybill - Some extremely rare artwork
5) Italian - 2-Foglio and Locandino - Country of origin art
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1) Japanese B5s
OK, I'm not just saying that because I sell them - it's the other way around. I sell them because I collect them.
I realise that most members here prefer larger sizes, and I definitely prefer larger sizes for framing on the wall. But here's my reasons for collecting B5's:
- a) I love Japanese movies ... so that's the main factor.
- b) Easy to store. I have several thousand, neatly categorised in folders - taking up just one shelf in a bookcase.
- c) Unique artwork, and the Japanese design aesthetic
- d) Easy to view. Just take out a folder and browse like a book.
- e) Specialty papers and inks, and the fact they are almost always in mint condition.
- f) It's a cheap way to satisfy my collecting habit!
2) USA. Mainly 50's monster movies, and late 60's psychedelic music posters. These are what's on my walls.
3) Belgians. Love the hand-drawn artwork on some titles.
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I'm a complete poster whore and have no allegiance to any country, size, style or language. While my collection is weighted towards US 1-sheets, that is mainly due to accessibility. UK quads are catching up quickly and the stuff on my walls -- meaning: the ones I love the most -- are in every size and from tons of countries. Currently framed and on display includes:
1 - US 1-sheet
2 - Int'l 1-sheet
1 - UK 1-sheet
2 - French 1P
1 - Italian 2P
1 - Cuban
1 - East German
2 - Polish
1 - Czech (small)
1 - US WC
1 - US Insert
1 - US HS
2 - French Med.
1 - Alamo silkscreen
1 - 2'x8' wallpaper section of Japanese chirashi
Soon to be added will be another small Czech, a UK quad and possibly another French 1P.
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Well I love them all, but have mostly argentineans (probably because I was born here ;D)
Not a patriotic thing at all, the main reason is budget. Most local 1sh have the same art as their COO counterparts (sometimes badly rendered though...), are cheaper and of course, easier to get for me.
Others have different -and usually better- art, and others are just... damn ugly.
I do have 10-15 films I get all the paper I can for any country. They are all pre 1970, so the art is usually different from poster to poster.
So far:
- Italy (1p, locandinas and fotobustas)
- US (1sh, lobby cards, 40x60, stills, still negatives, WC, pressbooks)
- Australia (daybill, 1sh, 3 sheet)
- UK (quad)
- Spain (Heralds)
- Sweden (insert)
- Denmark (program)
- Germany (programs, A1 and A0, lobby cards)
- Austria (programs)
- Belgium (2 diff. sizes)
- Mexico (1sh, jumbo lobby cards, azteca lobby cards)
- Yugoslavia
and probably a few others I don`t remember now.
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1) US 30x40, one-sheets (most didn't me cost nuthin', besides, we all know that they are the only true movie poster), inserts - in that order...
2) Thierry hates "French Grande"s
3) Japanese B2 or reasonably priced B1's
4) US 6 Sheets
5) UK Quad
6) French Door Panel
6) Italian 1 Panel
7) US half-sheets, banners, 40x60
8.)Aussie one sheets and daybills
9) Any quality image from any country. Difficulty: Image must have some relation to the film it depicts. This rules out most Eastern Block countries.
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Australian daybills and one-sheets.
US one-sheets, half-sheets, inserts, lobby cards
That's about it
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Australian daybills and one-sheets.
US one-sheets, half-sheets, inserts, lobby cards
That's about it
Rick, a more precise description would be all-the-best-kick-ass-scifi-and-horror Australian daybills and one-sheets
;)
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I don't have a preference.
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I don't have a preference.
Paper whore :-*
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Paper whore :-*
rofl1 rofl1 rofl1
I just hit 1,000 posts! Damn that was fast...
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rofl1 rofl1 rofl1
I just hit 1,000 posts! Damn that was fast...
Another milestone done and dusted!! ;D
Stew
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rofl1 rofl1 rofl1
I just hit 1,000 posts! Damn that was fast...
And you continue to flaunt my woman as well...
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OK I'll play some.
Started off with the ol US 1 Sheets (lots of them for the first 10 or so years of collection +1 Grace Kelly Green Fire Insert), then moved to buying a few French posters, then the large format subway posters then I started in on the Jap B2s. I then kind of had a love affair with Italian stuff (lots of Italian stuff), back to Japanese then to scattered Argentinian and Mexican one sheets (mix in some Belgians and Hindi paper) and then had a fling with inserts for a month or two and then back to US one sheets.
Your right I am a paper whore.
I think someone mentioned hating Belgians; I do like these but since everyone else hates them they have little or no value except the big title yet retailers want good money for them.
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And you continue to flaunt my woman as well...
Yeah so, what you going to do about it... Hater. It's Sibylla that I want, you can have her otherwise... Man that smile; can you image making love to that woman in an open air palace with cold marble floors, smelling of incense and rose water. Damn...
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French Affiches - usually the ones representing the French production movies as opposed to French versions of the US movie; I get excited by the stuff from the 50s and 60s
Aust Daybill - 50s designs are very sexy
As I have just picked up my first ever German last week I am going to start looking around at the styles that have come from that country. Could be an expensive travel itinerary
Everything else. :P
(http://www.emovieposter.com/images/sunday/200/german_a1_barefoot_contessa_linen_NZ03629_L.jpg)
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Rick, a more precise description would be all-the-best-kick-ass-scifi-and-horror Australian daybills and one-sheets
;)
I like a lot of the `lesser' items too!
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Japanese all sizes, US & International onesheets, a smattering from other countries.
I started with US double sided onesheets for display in lightboxes that I built at home. Then came Japanese posters, one of the first being a B1 of Sayuri (Memoir's of a Geisha) that was misidentified as a onesheet. My first real love, though, are advertising posters of all kinds, especially those used to advertise things in movie theater frames and lightboxes other than the movies themselves. My love of Japanese posters about equals that, but I have to say, I would first get rid of the Japanese collection before letting go the advertising collection, even though the Japanese collection is worth far far more than the advertising collection.
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I have to say, I would first get rid of the Japanese collection before letting go the advertising collection, even though the Japanese collection is worth far far more than the advertising collection.
I love that thinking. It is about the love.
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Without a doubt. bed1
I love that thinking. It is about the love.
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I love that thinking. It is about the love.
I strongly second that. thumbup
Without the love, posters have no value.
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I like a lot of the `lesser' items too!
I know Rick, I just couldn`t get that "Them" out of my head thumbup
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Anything I like from anywhere in the world, not fussy at all.
But of course, my first and best true love will always be the daybill.
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But of course, my first and best true love will always be the daybill.
A match made in heaven!
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To follow up on this topic, this group of fine individuals is the reason I like French posters most:
Grinsson (http://www.eatbrie.com/Grinsson.htm)
Soubie (http://www.eatbrie.com/Soubie.htm)
Noël (http://www.eatbrie.com/Noel.htm)
Mascii (http://www.eatbrie.com/Mascii.htm)
And BTW, I haven't even began to collect those guys. This is the easy stuff, not the great stuff by all means.
T
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There's a definite style with the French artists during the late 50s and early 60s - lot of Blue/Black and often with a bold/neon 3rd colour (pink, or yellows), has a very film noir look about them even though it could be a comedy! It's a style I like a lot atm.
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bump.gif for a topic that never gets old or dated, especially as new members join the poster herd. :D
Im gonna have to do this, too, as Ive never really broken it down in this way.
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After going thru my posters, I found that, like my heritage, (I'm a "Heinz 57" mix), my collection is also a mix from all over the globe.
US material might be a little ahead, but that hasn't been a conscientious choice. I think that foreign posters, in many cases, leave (and have left) US stuff in the dust, and have for a very long time.
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I'm mostly collecting newer US posters right now.
But if money wasn't an option I'd love the have the early US stuff. The artistic talent that went into those posters is amazing. Then foreign posters from the 60's-80's. French, Hungarian, Polish, all awesome. I also lean towards original trilogy Star Wars.
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I'm mostly collecting newer US posters right now.
But if money wasn't an option I'd love the have the early US stuff. The artistic talent that went into those posters is amazing. Then foreign posters from the 60's-80's. French, Hungarian, Polish, all awesome. I also lean towards original trilogy Star Wars.
When you say newer, are you meaning posters after the year 2000? Or even more recent than that?
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I'm sorry, I didn't translate my subjective opinion very well. I'm going to retract that statement and be more specific....
Posters from the 70's and 80's are "newer" when compared to those from the 40's - 50's. Soooo when I'm using the word "newer", that's where my mind was when I said that. So stupid of me, my apologies. So while I try and save up money for a Veronica Lake, Jimmy Stewart, or Audrey Hepburn poster, I'll in the mean time try and snag up a Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws, Rocky, etc., at an affordable price if I can. (hence, "newer").
With some exceptions, I'm not really interested much in posters made past '85. I'm not opposed to posters post '85, I'd just lean towards posters earlier than that. Plus, (and here's a good example I think/hope): I really liked the movie Fargo and really liked the poster; very creative. I was in the bidding to try and snag that, but once it got past $100, I'm like, "I really like this poster, but this $100 could go towards that Empire Strikes Back GWTW style poster I've been trying to save up for. These Fargo posters come up for sale all the time.....". (I therefore ended up bowing out).
So there are some exceptions, but unless I can get a really good deal, I'd rather my money go elsewhere. Plus, I think another factor for enjoying earlier posters over post '85 posters is that I like the idea of knowing that there aren't thousands upon thousands of them still out there. Knowing that I own something like, or could own something like that, is pretty cool.
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Thanks for the added info, mcfree.
Im also much more prone to collect posters (from a variety of countries) that are older, as well, especially when the artwork may be different, more vivid etc, and this will be for movies Ive never seen before, either. In that respect, the poster has worked for me, in what it was designed to do, as Ive often then gone and watched the film, because of the poster.
I have picked up things, post 1980, too, for those same reasons, but, in general, I also like to find those mustier pieces of paper, of which there arent as many around. It makes the search, hunt and finding more exciting, too.
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US 1 sheet (who is not ?)
And any jungle/Africa/exotica/tiki stuff... but then someone came up with same interest than me in a popular auction site and what I used to get cheap isn't anymore.
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Thanks for the added info, mcfree.
Im also much more prone to collect posters (from a variety of countries) that are older, as well, especially when the artwork may be different, more vivid etc, and this will be for movies Ive never seen before, either. In that respect, the poster has worked for me, in what it was designed to do, as Ive often then gone and watched the film, because of the poster.
I have picked up things, post 1980, too, for those same reasons, but, in general, I also like to find those mustier pieces of paper, of which there arent as many around. It makes the search, hunt and finding more exciting, too.
Exactly. I concur with all that....
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I collect everything from 1940 on. 99% if not more of my poster collection is of movies I have seen. Very important to me. If I haven't seen the movie, the poster means nothing to me. I do not care so much about poster art, more about remembering the movie through its poster. My collection starts in the 40s, again because I haven't seen many older movies (availability is key) and I do not care for silent movies.
I was looking at my original post in this thread, and I wouldn't change much, except for Belgian posters, which have grown in me. I would now rank them amongst the best.
T
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- France 1P
- Italy 1P
- US 1S
- UK quad
- Japan B1
Prob the best quality overall, practical sizes.....
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I mostly collect movie posters from the US (1S, 3S, 6S, a few 1/2S), France (1P and smaller), Italian (1P and 2P), and UK quads. I have a few Belgian posters as well, but these are few and far between, as I'm not a big fan of their small format and the often derivative graphics.
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I mostly collect movie posters from the US (1S, 3S, 6S, a few 1/2S), France (1P and smaller), Italian (1P and 2P), and UK quads. I have a few Belgian posters as well, but these are few and far between, as I'm not a big fan of their small format and the often derivative graphics.
I've often found that the Belgian artwork, especially when it comes to the "spot on" renditions of actors, along with the beautiful, color, (Im referring to vintage material from the late '30s-1950's for the most part) sometimes knocks those of other countries out of the water.
The multiple printed titles on them can make for a "busy-ness" that gets to be a little much, so I view on a case to case basis.
And, again, for me, many of the larger format, pre-war Belgians can truly be a wonder to behold. bed1
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Have most of the major paper producing countries by at least 1 poster. But preference in order would be
US one sheets and bus shelters - dont buy thick stock for the most part (30x40,half,insert), nor multi piece posters.
INTL one sheets AU,UK mainly/quads/japanese B1's & B2's
Italian/French 39x55 and 47x63 mainly
photbustas - think you tend to get good value on these
daybills - dont do much with these anymore
lobbies here and there, can take them or leave them only buy cheap stuff
All others next, only buy when the art is different from the countries listed above or dirt cheap :)
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GOOD NEWS:
My French and Italian 1P frames are in transition.
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BAD NEWS:
I had forgotten that 2/3 of Italian 1P posters are 100% UTTERLY vile AND nasty AND despicable.
Just one example and it's not EVEN CLOSE to being the worst:
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4702440 (http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4702440)
WTF is up with sicko Italian poster designers?
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The only ones that I dislike are daybills. I like some Aussie OS, when the work is done properly, but I really don't understand the appeal some collectors have for actors they cannot possibly recognize. They do sell, though, so who knows. To each his own, I guess. I'm sure some collectors hate French and Italian posters.
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I had forgotten that 2/3 of Italian 1P posters are 100% UTTERLY vile AND nasty AND despicable.
Just one example and it's not EVEN CLOSE to being the worst:
WTF is up with sicko Italian poster designers?
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Yep, that is exaclty what I noticed when I joined apf
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8544.25.html
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^ Love it. Let me know if you find another copy
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The only ones that I dislike are daybills. I like some Aussie OS, when the work is done properly, but I really don't understand the appeal some collectors have for actors they cannot possibly recognize. They do sell, though, so who knows. To each his own, I guess. I'm sure some collectors hate French and Italian posters.
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T, I will simultaneously "suck up to you" and antagonize/respectfully disagree with you yet again.
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"The only ones that I dislike are daybills."
Add former Communist countries to yer list. They are 98% freaky weird/2% awesome. I would post some examples but they perturb me too much.
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"I like some Aussie OS, when the work is done properly....."
Agree but really lamo u don't post examples.
OT I'll forgive you bc French Prez Macron is INSANELY AWESOME/COOL and most importantly speaks PERFECT ENGLISH (did u know he gave a killer presentation to the Olympic Committee in IMPECCABLE ENGLISH?).
OT2 I'm sure you used your French accent to win over abusedwife.
OT3 Whatever happened to abusedwife? Kinda weird she posted when this forum was founded in the Stone Age but hasn't posted since, especially since her French hubby has abused her by buying a gazillion MPs and spent a Google $$$$ on MPs.
OT4 [deleted by APF admin to get this thread back on track]
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I shall begin - as I do 90% of the time - by posting an (Aussie) MP with an insanely hot femme (Basinger at her peak imitating Veronica Lake):
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/item_2990_1_zpsfjodfzxb.jpg)
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I'll pretend I'm interested in MPs sans crazy-beautiful women by nerdishly posting this light-speed-cool ESB Aussie 1S:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Star%20Wars%205%201980%20Australia%201S_zpshje4ddvd.jpg)
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I'll add more unexpected Aussie goodness (including dorkbills):
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/27_zps4ezlnzks.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/3_zpsttoasgeo.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/2_zpsgossadue.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/1_zpsy5a60du6.jpg)
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I've totally lost track of what-the-hell I'm posting about so will take a few minutes to regroup...
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Oh yeah, I was responding to French Fry's sage but imageless post.
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"I really don't understand the appeal some collectors have for actors they cannot possibly recognize."
I really don't follow u but I assume you're insulting non-hyper-elite-25 star collectors such as yourself.
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"They do sell, though, so who knows."
Again, I have no clue what yer saying so will post the following (Peter Sellers awesomely imitating a clueless Frenchie):
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Bondie_zpsoskkew3j.jpg)
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"I'm sure some collectors hate French and Italian posters."
Comprende, Poster Nerd King. I think we can agree that such maroons....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/IpOLcy6Cy82qc/giphy.gif)
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I wanted to add 534 examples of phat I/F MPs but vaguely realize this post is infinitely too long so will hold off for another day....
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^ Love it. Let me know if you find another copy
It's so "Captain Obvious" you would post such drivel.
I suppose you're SORTA-OK bc u can dance Salsa and don't collect/worship atrocious Dorkbills unlike most Aussie collectors.
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I had forgotten that 2/3 of Italian 1P posters are 100% UTTERLY vile AND nasty AND despicable.
Just one example and it's not EVEN CLOSE to being the worst:
WTF is up with sicko Italian poster designers?
Yep, that is exaclty what I noticed when I joined apf
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8544.25.html
I'm afraid to click there. Pls summarize in a text-only memo.
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OT Have zero clue who that is but I didn't want to post a tired Office Space meme.
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It's so "Captain Obvious" you would post such drivel.
I suppose you're SORTA-OK bc u can dance Salsa and don't collect/worship atrocious Dorkbills unlike most Aussie collectors.
I only have around 80 daybills
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The only ones that I dislike are daybills. I like some Aussie OS, when the work is done properly, but I really don't understand the appeal some collectors have for actors they cannot possibly recognize. They do sell, though, so who knows. To each his own, I guess. I'm sure some collectors hate French and Italian posters.
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Don't worry Thierry daybills don't like you either ;)
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Don't worry Thierry daybills don't like you either ;)
Hey Chris, so we're clear, it was not a criticism on you or other collectors. It was just my appreciation, or lack of, of the format and its somewhat off beat rendering.
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I fail to understand the all abusedwife OT and other OTs ??? If there are sarcastic jokes to stress the lack of pictures in some posts, it's a miss !! While I enjoyed the pictures, I think the author of post should stick to pictures without textual jokes to avoid embarrassment.
https://youtu.be/xqX0Z4NeT9o?t=43s
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I fail to understand the all abusedwife OT and other OTs ??? If there are sarcastic jokes to stress the lack of pictures in some posts, it's a miss !! While I enjoyed the pictures, I think the author of post should stick to pictures without textual jokes to avoid embarrassment.
https://youtu.be/xqX0Z4NeT9o?t=43s
Agreed, trying way too hard to be funny but just being obnoxious. Will do better in future...
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So I bought both the Aussie teaser promo 1S for ST13 and the US rolled 1S for ST1:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Star%20Trek%20compare_zpskeofdkul.jpg)
Both are great IMO...
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French posters blow away their competition due to their size and artistry. These examples are pricey but typical quality:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/8a_zpszmzogcsf.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/8r_zpst0naqjlx.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/8d_zpsxjozat06.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/8b_zpsjngns75q.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/7_zpsroqqndi3.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/5_zpssbi47zzg.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/4_zpsyk19ghy3.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/1_zpsgijjisi0.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/3_zpswnfwhmnt.jpg)
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^ A lot of duds there
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^ A lot of duds there
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Godzilla%20AU%20daybill_zpstjxviilr.jpg)
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Hey Chris, so we're clear, it was not a criticism on you or other collectors. It was just my appreciation, or lack of, of the format and its somewhat off beat rendering.
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No worries Thierry I certainly did not take it that way.
Of course daybill collectors are seasoned veterans at refined daybill criticism already (it comes with the territory)!
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French posters blow away their competition due to their size and artistry. These examples are pricey but typical quality:
Very nice ones and pricey indeed !!! Due their size... and without overlapping sheets
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Very nice ones and pricey indeed !!! Due their size... and without overlapping sheets
I like the 1Ps too, and have a handful. France is not in the top 3 countries that I collect from but I'm always on the lookout for more. The art can be stunning.
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No worries Thierry I certainly did not take it that way.
Of course daybill collectors are seasoned veterans at refined daybill criticism already (it comes with the territory)!
Yes, I collect daybills... er, some ;)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4299/35708150430_93dedc3578_b.jpg)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4304/36098606745_e7ffca5636_b.jpg)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4302/36098579415_7ecfbe7c01_b.jpg)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/36098597635_d9c32b9c77_b.jpg)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4302/36098590185_f666984ea7_b.jpg)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4300/36098592695_1332df1442_b.jpg)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4313/36098582895_8e0bd76244_b.jpg)
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Yes, I collect daybills... er, some ;)
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kinda surprised by your transmutation on the DB issue ;)
Australians mysteriously go ga-ga for them, presumably just bc they're Australian products. But I'm from the US Southeast and disdain NASCAR, Southern accents, Jesus, and mint juleps!
But I do love one DB - Ves snagged it for $850 at the last HA sig. The art is very refined, unlike most DBs:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Killers_zpsmloojnr9.jpg)
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Mostly (by numbers) collect Mexican Lobby Cards. Why? Good question dontknow.gif
Maybe getting titles for movies I'll never get otherwise, plus they are small/convenient
Maybe I subconsciously want to go to Mexico
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Mostly (by numbers) collect Mexican Lobby Cards. Why? Good question dontknow.gif
Maybe getting titles for movies I'll never get otherwise, plus they are small/convenient
Maybe I subconsciously want to go to Mexico
Go, go, go !!!
I have been there, I just found a few in flea vintage markets and some shops. I thought there would be plenty and great titles, but only found horrible stuff which is why we like Mexican LC :)
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Always disliked former-Commie country posters but quite like this one. One sold for $650 last week at EMP:
The Heavens Call (Goskino, 1959). Russian Poster (25" X 40"). Released in the U.S. as Battle Beyond the Sun.
Two manned rockets find their way to the Moon and Mars in this thoughtful Russian science fiction picture, directed by Mikhail Karyukov and Alexander Kozyr. The innovative special effects of the film caught the eye of producer Roger Corman, who would buy the rights to U.S. distribution. Prior to release, Corman hired a UCLA film school grad by the name of Francis Ford Coppola, and tasked him with taking the special effects scenes from the film and throwing in monsters, music, and English dialogue. Upon completion in 1962, Corman released the "Americanized" version under the title Battle Beyond the Sun. Coppola would use the pseudonym Thomas Colchart for the film. Offered is an original Russian poster from the original version Nebo Zovyot. It features a fantastic image of silhouetted astronauts and a giant rocket against the red planet Mars
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/lf-3_zpsk2xohpcz.jpeg)
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The Eastern European posters really have an interesting, different perspective. Cool, glowing red Mars, and vibe with the astronauts and rocket on that one. cool1
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Score one for Canada. Its RR 1s goes for 2% of the $271K the US-1S and it's pretty close artistically:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/lf-4_zpsfemtaglr.jpeg)
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Had a pretty decent quad collection:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.22.31%20AM_zpshkmnqlu5.jpg)
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Dealer At The Movies UK has an excellent IG feed:
https://www.instagram.com/atthemoviesuk/ (https://www.instagram.com/atthemoviesuk/)
Better framed, as always:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.09.59%20AM_zpsiw5caaap.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.09.23%20AM_zps0v7kfvt0.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.09.12%20AM_zpshxhzkgk1.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.08.48%20AM_zpsgnkrvcju.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.10.27%20AM_zps12rnr3kl.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.10.19%20AM_zpsp4rzx8pi.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-16%20at%201.10.10%20AM_zpspuujj8eq.jpg)
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Those are not cheap to say the least, but the dealer has got quite a collection. Nice.
https://www.atthemovies.co.uk/ (https://www.atthemovies.co.uk/)
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Better than wporzo (okay): Both Matt/Harry Caul and I missed out on this trippy/wacky Polish 1S for Far Side of the Sun:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/polish_medium_journey_to_the_far_side_of_the_sun_JC13223_B_zpstbxnilpn.jpg)
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Some extremely nice paper!
My interest in non US posters began by looking through issues of, believe it or not, New Musical Express. They would have a movie review section, along with ads for new British releases. I would always check the movie ads and they would just blow the American ads away. So I actively sought out foreign posters because they were so different and in many cases, so much better. At one time I had and sold many copies of the British 1-sheets to STAR TREK - WRATH OF KHAN, ST - SEARCH FOR SPOCK, RAIDERS, A VIEW TO A KILL, quads to SID AND NANCY, NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET DREAM WARRIORS, and British 40x60's for NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN. My own view is if you collect on any subject, Bond, Clint, John Wayne, anything, if you stick to posters from just one country, you're really limiting yourself since the graphics are so varied from country to country. Why not expand your horizons and dig on the posters from other parts of the world? Example - which is the better poster for CHISUM, the American 1-sheet or the Australian 1-sheet?
I once had a customer who collected Clint Eastwood posters. I was able to get most of the American posters he wanted and I started looking around for other Clint posters I could tempt him with. MCW had an ad with a lot of French 47x63's at very affordable prices. Among them were FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE and THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY. I was able to get several 40x60's for this collector in the past, so I knew large posters should not be a problem. I buy both of them and never having seen them before this, am blown away by the art. No question that the French GOOD, BAD & UGLY is the best poster you can get on this film, and the French FEW DOLLARS MORE isn't far behind it. What Clint collector wouldn't want these? An easy sale! So he stops by one Saturday and I show him the FEW DOLLARS MORE poster. He looks at it and says 'yeah, that is nice. But I'm going to pass on it." I'm taken aback so I ask him " Ok, but I'm curious. What is it about the poster you don't like?" His answer - "It's not in English." I immediately think that's a very narrow minded way to collect. I don't bother showing him the GOOD, BAD, UGLY; I took them both home and kept them for myself.
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Was there any chance he was trying to limit his collecting circles to just one language? Was he believing there was a danger of limited space, limited funds, where does it stop?
This is my reason even though I will freely admit some of the European art for (at least) Bond is far superior. Hence why my main collection is limited to US and UK, but I do have a couple of French pieces on the wall.
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I never really got into it further with him. Certainly the fact that it was in French steered him away from it. I don't think it was the size of it. I think it all comes down to personal preferences. Collecting in just one language is perfectly fine. If you wanted just posters in English, what are the choices - American, British, Australian, Indian, Canadian. So many times the posters in other countries are vastly superior. Let's say you collect Laurel & Hardy. The American choices are limited, unless you have deep pockets, so you look at the various reissues. The German reissues from the mid 60's are among the best posters you can get for them, and the Indian reissue 1-sheets are certainly different. It's all up to the individual collector and what they do and don't like.
For me, it's all about the graphics. I remember when I got a shipment of 20 NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN 1-sheets. I expected a lot, considering that it's a Bond and it's Connery. When I saw what WB was going with it was a huge let down. Instead of a strong action oriented OO7 style poster, we got that giant smirking Connery face. "This is what the 1-sheet is? This?? Ugh!". So as time went on I began to search out NSNA material from other countries and found that since it was basically an independent film, each country was pretty much responsible for it's own advertising. Many countries used the British art (France, Argentina, Australia, etc.) but other countries came up with their own artwork, which in many cases were graphically superior (Sweden, Pakistan, Germany, Japan). If I only collected American or British posters I would never have seen or known about the other styles out there. But, to each his own. I would say to anyone, collect the way you want, for your own reasons and pleasure. The above is just my own reasoning.
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From my experience, foreign paper is vastly superior to US paper. I'd take a French or Italian poster over pretty much ANY US poster. Not even in the same league. To limit yourself to US paper is a travesty imo.
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I wouldn't say "travesty" but I get your meaning. From my days as a dealer it always surprised me when I could snag a nice foreign poster for a customer, only to have him say "no thanks, it's not in English". It's a huge road block for some collectors and I could never get my head around why. To me, if the graphics are appealing to me, why should a foreign language stop me from buying it? I recall the first time I saw the Japanese reissue posters for the early Bond's and I knew I just had to acquire them. They're just SO different from any other Bond paper and that makes it interesting and appealing to me. They're use of photomontage just can't be beat. Also check out the images from some of Heritages past Bogart auctions. The Italian posters are amazing.
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I'd take a French or Italian poster over pretty much ANY US poster. Not even in the same league.
This of course is just begging for examples to show how it's not true.
To limit yourself to US paper is a travesty imo.
This is totally true. in the old days there was a saying - "no matter what you pay for a foreign poster, it's too much"
So glad this is not the case anymore.
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Oh, yeah. Especially at poster conventions. American posters ruled, and foreign posters were looked down on as inferior, cheap alternatives to the "better" American posters. I used to display the American and British 1-sheets to STAR TREK: SEARCH FOR SPOCK side by side; the British poster outsold the American poster 5 to 1. Same thing with the American and British LIVING DAYLIGHTS 1-sheets.
One of the main gripes I used to hear about foreign posters was "how do I know if the poster is real? What if it's a fake?" Today we know better.
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Might be a long time before I own the original US copies, Argentinian posters are generally not my first choice in foreign paper but I liked these ones enough to pickup over the last several years.
Agree you can't beat the French/Italian versions & certain Japanese posters are amazing with unique images, cool letters, easy to frame.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a583/jstephenryan/GILDA_zpsbxm9xjlo.jpg)
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a583/jstephenryan/GWTW_zpsahqqyrn9.jpg)
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Might be a long time before I own the original US copies, Argentinian posters are generally not my first choice in foreign paper but I liked these ones enough to pickup over the last several years.
Agree you can't beat the French/Italian versions & certain Japanese posters are amazing with unique images, cool letters, easy to frame.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a583/jstephenryan/GILDA_zpsbxm9xjlo.jpg)
Ah, Rita Hayworth... Great to see, Movieposters! Beautiful in any country. Thanks for posting. Okie
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Ah, Rita Hayworth... Great to see, Movieposters! Beautiful in any country. Thanks for posting. Okie
I'm with you on that sentiment, okie! sm1
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MUST HAVE BEEN A DAYBILL ARTIST! Doh.gif
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http://noomag.com/2018/05/23/bay-area-sports-hall-of-fame-to-redo-brandi-chastain-plaque.html (http://noomag.com/2018/05/23/bay-area-sports-hall-of-fame-to-redo-brandi-chastain-plaque.html)
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Vive La France!
Parked in my den....
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/HereComesMongo1968134/2018-07-16_zpsus2zy83z.jpg)
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Created 4 years ago, updated today; best/most expensive Frenchies:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/MoviePosterCollectors/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1427011700916102 (https://www.facebook.com/pg/MoviePosterCollectors/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1427011700916102)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/HereComesMongo1968135/Screen%20Shot%202018-07-16%20at%207.14.50%20PM_zpsvkuvnitr.jpg)
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Oh yeah, "football" (soccer) is less-than-thrilling IMUO - one goal every 30 minutes! - but 'grats:
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So these are my current Japan B1s - my 2D geishas blowingkiss.gif
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So learn something
From: MoviePoster Collectors [mailto:moviepostercollectors@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 6:43 AM
To: Hideyuki Takizawa
Subject: Re: Dear Mel, Japanese Movie Posters
Hello, I have some questions:
Why are B1 posters less popular in Japan than B2s?
Do studios print and distribute equal numbers of B1 and B2 posters to theaters?
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Top Japan MP dealer:
https://www.ebay.com/usr/movieposter-japan%21 (https://www.ebay.com/usr/movieposter-japan%21)
Sep 2, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Hideyuki Takizawa <movieposterjapan@power.odn.ne.jp> wrote:
Regarding the B1 posters, they are tightly managed by the film distribution company.
Since the theaters must promptly return the B1 posters to the film distribution company after the movie is released,
these B1 posters will hardly be distributed to the general market.
Thanks.
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Top Japan MP dealer:
https://www.ebay.com/usr/movieposter-japan%21 (https://www.ebay.com/usr/movieposter-japan%21)
Sep 2, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Hideyuki Takizawa <movieposterjapan@power.odn.ne.jp> wrote:
Regarding the B1 posters, they are tightly managed by the film distribution company.
Since the theaters must promptly return the B1 posters to the film distribution company after the movie is released,
these B1 posters will hardly be distributed to the general market.
Thanks.
Hideyuki is a good guy, and it's interesting to hear more about this. I wonder why the distributors wouldn't require theaters to return B2s, etc., the same as they do with B1s, as there must be some reason why they're allegedly more strict with those. Maybe it's simply a numbers game, where a lot more B2s are printed, so there are inevitably more that slip through the cracks.
Nice collection going there with those B1s.
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There are fake Japanese posters.
I am hanging two fake B2s currently.
One of them I went and bought bought the real versions from Hideyuki to compare the two.... The other one, well. Its just far too disappointing to discuss.
The truth is that there are fake Japanese poters.
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Zorba - Sorry to hear that, which titles if you don't mind sharing please?
Mel - That red bed style Amelie is a favourite of mine...love the film and poster thumbsup.gif