Mid-auction analysis - OMGs!, LOLs!, WTFs!, whatev....

[AdamCarterJones]

and if anybody wants to tell me to go fuck myself, now would be the appropriate time.

 

[Zorba]

and if anybody wants to tell me to go fuck myself, now would be the appropriate time.

You arent worth it.

[CineMasterpieces]

yes I am, you just can't afford me. 

[Zorba]

you just can't afford me. 

At $195 for this poster
http://cgi.ebay.com/CASINO-ROYALE-DS-ORIG-MOVIE-POSTER-JAMES-BOND-007-2006-/180480091633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0573a5f1

Who the fuck can?

Seriously...dude..as a person...you are worthless.

[stewart boyle]

Seriously...dude..as a person...you are worthless.

Perhaps not,..there has been alot of bond love on this forum recently...*no offence to any collectors here",there seems to be alot of members,who love Bond,i am not amongst them.

Why not use that valuable market info to get the best price for that poster ?

Stew

[Disheveledamethyst]

yes I am, you just can't afford me.  

Do people really pay this? Who, mostly, are your customers? I really am curious. You run a respectable business, but a business I can't imagine has customers. Do you actually sell movie posters, or is it a front for your human trafficking?

[CSM]

Do people really pay this? Who, mostly, are your customers? I really am curious. You run a respectable business, but a business I can't imagine has customers. Do you actually sell movie posters, or is it a front for your human trafficking?

Dave can answer obviously but check his past eBay sales results - there is a reason he keeps the prices where he does.

[Zorba]

Dave can answer obviously but check his past eBay sales results - there is a reason he keeps the prices where he does.

PT Barnum said...."There's a sucker born every minute"

Our hero makes his living off of the lazy , the unsuspecting tourist and the newbie collector....

I think the best way to describe Dave would be as a parasite.

Parasite is Perfect.

[Disheveledamethyst]

But how - especially on eBay - would the uninformed memorabilia buyer be drawn to the most expensive option available? Wouldn't uninformed people automatically sort by lowest price first? Who sees the most expensive auction and sees exactly what they're looking for?

I mean, if I walk up to a soda machine that only sells diet coke and they all have different prices, wouldn't I naturally buy the cheapest one? Even if some are in cans and some are in bottles. Why would I pay $195 for a bottle of pop when there's a $1.25 option right above it?

[CSM]

I know what you are trying to say Zorba but there is no excuse for "lazy" and maybe even the "unsuspecting"

As for "new" well you might be on to something but as always it's buyer beware and there are ample resources to become informed.


That's my devil's advocating for today...

[CSM]

But how - especially on eBay - would the uninformed memorabilia buyer be drawn to the most expensive option available? Wouldn't uninformed people automatically sort by lowest price first? Who sees the most expensive auction and sees exactly what they're looking for?

I mean, if I walk up to a soda machine that only sells diet coke and they all have different prices, wouldn't I naturally buy the cheapest one? Even if some are in cans and some are in bottles. Why would I pay $195 for a bottle of pop when there's a $1.25 option right above it?

People are attracted to shiny colours and the phrases "investment quality" and "a long time can go by..."

[Zorba]

People are attracted to shiny colours and the phrases "investment quality" and "a long time can go by..."

 

Ya plus he has all the mysteriously aquired authentications to give the buyer that all warm fuzzy and secure feeling.

Make no mistake this guy is a fucking snake.

[Disheveledamethyst]

People are attracted to shiny colours and the phrases "investment quality" and "a long time can go by..."

How does that honestly work though?

When I list an item on eBay and there is more than one of them, I have to list it for a few cents cheaper than the standing cheapest one or people won't even look at it. I've sold a lot of Disney park pins and if one was listed for 3.99, I had to list mine for 3.98. Or else, plain and simple, people will just buy the other one. There are prestigious looking listings selling pins for $50 but they're repeatedly relisted for weeks or months before the seller gives up.

Apparently, for Mr. Lieberman, its the exact opposite.

[Harry Caul]

Now, now... no need to be so hard on Dave.  His buyers are most likely not 'collectors' in the same sense we are.  We spent (i.e. wasted) many days/weeks/years learning what we have so we can buy up posters 'cheap' on eBay and feel like we got a good deal -- time we likely should have valued, but probably didn't.

If you weren't into the hobby, how many hours would it take for you to learn how to spot the difference between real and fake Star Wars 1-sheets?  I'm guessing for a complete noob, a few hours at least... starting with first figuring out what a 1-sheet is! 

I'm sure many of Dave's clients make enough in an hour to buy 10 original Star Wars 1-sheets.  They are also probably people who care as much or more about the presentation and framing, which I'm sure Dave handles (for a fee) and with white glove delivery to boot.  I know the quotes I got on framing a few of my pieces far exceeded the cost of the posters themselves, even some that I consider expensive posters (i.e. For a Few Dollars More Italian 2p).  Just because posters reign supreme for many of us, doesn't mean they aren't pocket change for some of Dave's (and many dealer's) clients. 

[Harry Caul]

How does that honestly work though?

When I list an item on eBay and there is more than one of them, I have to list it for a few cents cheaper than the standing cheapest one or people won't even look at it. I've sold a lot of Disney park pins and if one was listed for 3.99, I had to list mine for 3.98. Or else, plain and simple, people will just buy the other one. There are prestigious looking listings selling pins for $50 but they're repeatedly relisted for weeks or months before the seller gives up.

Apparently, for Mr. Lieberman, its the exact opposite.

Its the same reason people buy repeatedly from Bruce or Rich or Grey or Sean or or or... reputation, quality, service, packaging, assurance of authenticity, etc....

[Zorba]

Its the same reason people buy repeatedly from Bruce or Rich or Grey or Sean or or or... reputation, quality, service, packaging, assurance of authenticity, etc....

Sighs...

Really?

You equate them to this "man"?

Dissapointed! and Im sure they are insulted .

[Harry Caul]

Sighs...

Really?

You equate them?

Dissapointed!

When he sells on eBay, definitely.  You don't?

[CineMasterpieces]

Yes, we sell posters for much higher than average auction prices every single day. Apparently, this is shady and/or illegal activity to some collectors.

Do you really want me to post a list of our recent EBAY fixed price sales again? I'd rather not, but I will if you insist. I obviously can't show you the sales directly off our website, but they are even more impressive and jaw dropping than our ebay sales. Again, I'm talking about our fixed price listings, not our no reserve auctions.

Our customers/consignors are thrilled when we can sell their posters for 5 or 10 times what they normally go for at auction. Many of our consignors are long time experienced COLLECTORS....the ones smart enough to realize that auctions are not always the best way to go if you have a very valuable item. We help collectors get the most money possible for their items. Criminal isn't it? Helping collectors get the most money possible for their posters?

"Why would I pay $195 for a bottle of pop when there's a $1.25 option right above it?"

Why would someone buy our $195.00 poster when there is a $29.00 option right next to it?

Its called marketing. We market our items better than some others do. Apparently to some people this is completely unethical.

Buy a 12 oz can of soda in a machine for $1.25......................or go to the newest hottest night club in town and pay $8.50 at the bar to a beautiful blonde 22 year old bartender for the same 12 oz soda in a glass. Its the same exact thing.....one marketed better than the other. Did you feel ripped off when you bought the $8.50 soda? maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but you still willingly paid for it.........and I'm certain the night club wasn't given a warning by the police about their unethically high soda prices.

[AdamCarterJones]

Wow!  
Zorba, you seem to have a little chip on your shoulder with regards to Dave.
Has something happened in the past to cause this? Genuinely curious.

I agree with Matt, by the way.
Sure, I and many others do not charge Dave's prices if selling anything, but he has a clientele not many can say they have.
So if he can get the prices he puts on the gear, then good on him.

Do any of you remember Harrods in London once selling James Bond posters?
People were buying them ... people who didn't give a damn about the price, and that is exactly Dave's customer base.

EDIT: Dave brings up a very valid point - Marketing. He is good at it.
If you spend a lot of time working on decent marketing; x amount of money on decent marketing, then you will reap the rewards.
He does, and he is.

[Zorba]

Wow! 

WOW adam...

Now Im  curious about your love of dave...Do you have links to daves site on your site?... Is there cash exchanged?

Is everything okay?

When he sells on eBay, definitely.  You don't?

That I cannot argue.

He asked  so I answered.....I just think any newb that passes through here should know that they can get that Casino Royale for under $20 all day long.

Thats all.

[Harry Caul]

Our customers/consignors are thrilled when we can sell their posters for 5 or 10 times what they normally go for at auction. Many of our consignors are long time experienced COLLECTORS....the ones smart enough to realize that auctions are not always the best way to go if you have a very valuable item. We help collectors get the most money possible for their items. Criminal isn't it? Helping collectors get the most money possible for their posters?

I can vouch for that directly... I've sold posters through Dave and netted (sometimes significantly) more than what I would have at auction at places like eMovie, HA, Christies, etc...  and that takes into account all associated fees from both sides.

[Harry Caul]

He asked  so I answered.....I just think any newb that passes through here should know that they can get that Casino Royale for under $20 all day long.

Is there a reason you are singling out Dave Z?  Show me another dealer that lists a DS Casino Royale for less than $20?  You can't equate no reserve auction prices with dealer pricing.  They will never match up and you'll only get yourself worked up for nothing my friend.

[Zorba]

Is there a reason you are singling out Dave Z? 

?

Read the thread.

He asked anyone to tell him to fuck off.  If another parasite had asked me to tell him I would have.

[Zorba]

I can vouch for that directly... I've sold posters through Dave and netted (sometimes significantly) more than what I would have at auction at places like eMovie, HA, Christies, etc...  and that takes into account all associated fees from both sides.

I would do the same thing...That has nothing to do with trying to fuck newbs .

[CJ138]

Dave,
Do your posters come with 22 year old beautiful bartenders? If so I will take two please.

Conor