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« Reply #6200 on: November 08, 2014, 12:56:54 AM »
Hmmm...the rather bland colours might suggest it is from the '38 re-release?  Just guessing...

Still very nice

I wonder... I'd love to know for sure.  

The "Carl Laemmle presente" at the top made me think it might be a first release.  ;)
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« Reply #6201 on: November 08, 2014, 02:30:46 AM »
Wow that is a wonderful piece!

Great find Jeff:)

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« Reply #6202 on: November 08, 2014, 03:47:06 AM »
I wonder... I'd love to know for sure.  

The "Carl Laemmle presente" at the top made me think it might be a first release.  ;)

I believe it is first release, but someone else would have to chime in for certainty

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« Reply #6203 on: November 08, 2014, 04:12:41 AM »
Love the spider net..fabulous paper!

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« Reply #6204 on: November 08, 2014, 04:27:18 AM »
Tis a first release, I've been watching it for a while now, but he still hasn't dropped it into my price range.... :-\
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« Reply #6205 on: November 08, 2014, 04:33:19 AM »
Put an offer Paul...You never know...!

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« Reply #6206 on: November 08, 2014, 04:38:14 AM »
I am that cheeky, but I've just committed to something else.... 8)
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« Reply #6207 on: November 08, 2014, 04:49:25 AM »
I am that cheeky, but I've just committed to something else.... 8)

That one is mine! EN GARDE!

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« Reply #6208 on: November 08, 2014, 04:51:44 AM »
didn't know you knew him....
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« Reply #6209 on: November 08, 2014, 03:22:32 PM »

 

Very cool piece of art but it looks like some knucklehead touched up the fold with a felt tip.

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« Reply #6210 on: November 08, 2014, 07:57:25 PM »
I think that's just a shadow on the deeper fold.

Had it been touched up with a felt tip marker, im thinking there would have some bleed thru on the back and be visible on the lime green.


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« Reply #6211 on: November 08, 2014, 08:15:58 PM »
I think that's just a shadow on the deeper fold.

Had it been touched up with a felt tip marker, im thinking there would have some bleed thru on the back and be visible on the lime green.

looks like a marker to me as well....notice when the crease line is in the green of drac's shirt and the vertical green background/bar you can see the white crease.

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« Reply #6212 on: November 08, 2014, 08:29:22 PM »
as Jeff points out, if it was marker, there would be bleed through

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« Reply #6213 on: November 08, 2014, 08:35:32 PM »
If you look at the light green side, with all the fine text, it shows no black bleed thru at all, along that fold.

And if marker was used, and even if it didn't bleed consistently along the entire fold, I would think there would be spots that would show this. That green crease looks clean and marker ink-free, to me.  :)


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« Reply #6214 on: November 08, 2014, 08:46:38 PM »
If you look at the light green side, with all the fine text, it shows no black bleed thru at all, along that fold.

And if marker was used, and even if it didn't bleed consistently along the entire fold, I would think there would be spots that would show this. That green crease looks clean and marker ink-free, to me.  :)

With a light touch and the right marker or not a marker but something else it wont bleed? Just askin, and yes the green looks marker free thats is my point. Anyways I simply asked them and Ill post their response.

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« Reply #6215 on: November 08, 2014, 11:04:37 PM »
Best to just buy it and find out afterwards ;)
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« Reply #6216 on: November 08, 2014, 11:06:49 PM »
With a light touch and the right marker or not a marker but something else it wont bleed? Just askin, and yes the green looks marker free thats is my point. Anyways I simply asked them and Ill post their response.



Great minds, Jason.

I did the same thing.  ;)

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« Reply #6217 on: November 09, 2014, 05:17:00 AM »
You're right about the bleed-through, so it wasn't a felt tip.
But, it has been touched up.
Knock 8k off the price.
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« Reply #6218 on: November 09, 2014, 05:21:10 AM »
It's definitely been touched up, most likely with water colour pencils...


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« Reply #6219 on: November 09, 2014, 02:54:12 PM »
Great minds, Jason.

I did the same thing.  ;)



Seller responded as following:

"Dear J

Hi,
You are right. I had never really noticed, but the pictures somewhat suggest this- though the flash used for the pictures might as well simply have over-pronounced the crinkled surface in the foldline...
I have to ask for your patience on this, as I will not be home until Friday and would like to check on this myself.
Sorry about that and many thanks for your remark/question!
Best,

- addsense"

So we shall find out Friday or Saturdayish
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« Reply #6220 on: November 10, 2014, 11:22:00 AM »
I seem to have arrived rather late to the discussion on collecting trends, dropping prices and the youth of today but here goes...

If you look at the general field of 'antiques' then there's little doubt that the movement of prices is cyclical. To give a specific example, in recent years the prices of musical boxes, davenports and many other pieces of furniture have dropped considerably. The very finest pieces survived the fall rather better than most but whether the nice but more ordinary examples might recover the value of their old glory days - who knows? Curiously it was the downturn in the Japanese economy that dented musical box prices. Prior to that happening a few years back, dealers from Japan would come to Europe and systematically clear specialist shops of stock...and then they suddenly they stopped coming and the prices collapsed. Victorian oil paintings however went from being despised in the 60s and 70s to gold dust status, with the best examples jumping from hundreds or thousands to hundreds of thousands...nay, millions!

I think that being the finest and rarest does help future proof to a degree, unless of course value has been wildly inflated by a fashion rush alone. I keep expecting the modern art market to collapse but the emperor's new clothes syndrome doesn't seem to have crumbled yet. And of course with the millions flowing into modern art, certain pieces/artists have arguably moved away from being objets d'art into being investments and currency. And if people with power and influence own pieces they have the power and influence to ensure others agree with the value they place on these items too. They keep it expensive and aspirational for certain types of collector with the result that ownership gives you a certain 'status'. But twas ever thus!

On the poster owning front I can only assume that there are gold standard pieces that are also unlikely to wane? Like original posters of iconic films like Metropolis or King Kong I assume? (I don't collect movie posters remember!) Elsewhere in the poster collecting field things might be slightly different. Popular culture obviously plays a role but certain poster artists have earned the respect of the art world in general and have transcended popular culture to become 'art' thus helping to future proof them. I'm thinking of icons like Toulouse Lautrec and Alphones Mucha here.

Thinking of the younger generation, I have two sons aged 21 and 23. I've tried to introduce them to a broad spectrum of the arts and of course that includes classic films. But you wouldn't believe the amount of persuasion in takes to get over that initial hurdle of 'It's in black and white!'. In spite of this, 'Citizen Kane' and "The Third man' went down very well indeed. Now when I was growing up there were two or three channels that everybody watched in the UK. Television was a shared experience that brought you into contact with things that you might not have been aware of or sought out. This included loads of old films - films which I grew to admire and have affection for. This experience developed interest and must have made collectors. What was there to own connected with a film back then? DVDs. toys, t-shirts? Well I assume not. The only thing you might seek out was probably the poster and publicity items; an experience which doubtless started the collecting bug for many here today.

Nowadays children can choose from a variety of different audio visual sources and - if they wish to - simply consume more of the same single-minded thing they already love. They won't easily stumble across old black and white films, or indeed anything that isn't more readily here and now. To my mind they are less inclined to look back and more likely to look forward to new things/movies appearing on the horizon. My eldest loves manga and anime and he spends hundreds on Japanese figures and collectibles. All items that have been designed to sell and re-promote the films/comics they come from but thanks to my evil involvement he'll also watch movies from the 30s, 40s, 50s as well as Laurel and Hardy, the Marx Brothers and the great classics - and he likes those too. The battle is not yet lost - at least not in this household!
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« Reply #6221 on: November 10, 2014, 12:29:53 PM »
Yes, our assistant is a 23 year old, and I asked him what he thought of the Godfather. He looked confused and said Godfather? is that an old black and white film?

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« Reply #6222 on: November 10, 2014, 02:59:14 PM »
Monocle, your comments here are very interesting and informative, and you seem like a true gentleman.

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Yes, our assistant is a 23 year old, and I asked him what he thought of the Godfather. He looked confused and said Godfather? is that an old black and white film?

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Aye aye aye.   :o  

When I went to see Spartacus (1960) in the theater a few months ago, the guy in the box office had never heard of the film.
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« Reply #6223 on: November 10, 2014, 03:25:26 PM »
That's very kind of you Neo. I am a bit of a fossil. In fact when I was at university in the 70s my fellow students were so taken by old fashioned manners that they used to call me 'Steed'. 'Er, that's Patrick Macnee in 'The Avengers', not the horse...
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« Reply #6224 on: November 10, 2014, 03:34:38 PM »
I was a scout leader a few years ago and taught a cinematography badge class.  I brought a copy of The Maltese Falcon in order to demonstrate noir lighting techniques.  You'd have thought I asked them to poke their eyes out with hot irons.
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