Mid-auction analysis - OMGs!, LOLs!, WTFs!, whatev....

[erik1925]

He may need a gentle nudge Jeff...

It was a light nudge. But the listing also ends in about 15.5 hours. So i guess we can see if any other adjustments are made, before the cutoff time. 

[erik1925]

Follow The Fleet (1936), linen backed, US 6 sheet. Seller claims this is one of 2 known. Looks beautiful and in great condition- with a beautiful price, too. Still, an eye grabber, in any case!  

Open Bid: $13,000.00
BIN: $17,500.00



http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOLLOW-THE-FLEET-original-six-sheet-movie-poster-Astaire-and-Rogers-/291086502448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c61b8a30

[Mirosae]

^^ and framed too?  It looks in incredible condition..

[Neo]

I actually contacted him yesterday, after I saw your post, Paul, and gave him some information as well as an image of what the actual first release quad looks like. He wrote back, saying he is selling it for a friend, and was actually appreciative to get the correct info, as he didnt want to be seen as trying to defraud or rip someone off.  

Good job, Jeff.  I really don't get why people choose to post an inaccuracy in a listing here and not contact the seller.  Most of the times that I contacted the sellers about issues like this, they were appreciative and corrected the listing.  If the listing is not corrected after sending the seller the correct info., then I would understand posting the listing here.

[erik1925]

This section from a THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL 6 sheet, has been around on ebay quite a while. Seller is asking $15,000, obo. I see there was a declined offer, this past December. Even tho almost 18 years ago, as a point of reference, a linen backed 6sh was sold by Bruce, back in 1996, for $9200.00 (http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/4617760.html)

Anyhow.. here it is: I just cant see this ever going for this price... but you never know.

BIN: $15K / or Make an offer.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Day-The-Earth-Stood-Still-RARE-Original-1951-Vintage-Poster-6-Sheet-Section-/261259366326?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd4458fb6

[MoviePosterBid.com]

any offer he turned down is probably more than it's worth because unless the buyer offered 5% of his asking, any offer he turned down is more than it's worth

[Harry Caul]

In what year were magic markers first marketed widely to the public??

http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3311815

I own a heavily trimmed map-back Casablanca (old iPhone pics below) which presumably is from the first release.  I've also handled an early 60s release poster.  I'm regretting not taking photos of it now as I'm a bit fuzzy on the details... this is all from memory mind you.  IIRC it was from 1962, based on the postage cancellation stamp on the back.  Definitely early 60s though. The size of the art was the same or close to the 1st release size (~10x14), but it was printed on MUCH larger paper... there was at least 3" of white space all around the image so it was probably 17x22 or so?  It looked pretty odd with such a tiny image floating in the middle of such a large piece of paper, but it was definitely from the 60s re-release and definitely theater used -- it was addressed to a theater on the back, stamped and cancelled.  It was also folded. 

[MoviePosterBid.com]

no correction to the listing yet...

[CSM]

Despite the condition Matt, the most important bits are there, and you can rest easy in the knowledge you have a true bonafide 1st release (and not a magic marker stroke to be seen!  )

[Silhouette]

(and not a magic marker stroke to be seen!  )

Could be a DeLorean Magic Marker?

[CSM]

Could be a DeLorean Magic Marker?

If that were the case it would be stainless steel silver

[MoviePosterBid.com]

personally I think it's pretty shoddy.
on one line it's proclaimed an original first release.
in the fine print the listing has a disclaimer

can you imagine what he would be saying if some eBay seller had the same language in a listing?

If you aren't certain what you have, get certain before you saddle someone with the issue
same thing as the autographs

it isn't the buyer's responsibility to figure out if it's original or not, it is the seller's responsibility
IMO I think the poster should be removed from sale

[CSM]

If you aren't certain what you have, get certain before you saddle someone with the issue
same thing as the autographs

it isn't the buyer's responsibility to figure out if it's original or not, it is the seller's responsibility

I agree Rich but the circumvention logic is that a lifetime refund is warrantied

[MoviePosterBid.com]

I agree Rich but the circumvention logic is that a lifetime refund is warrantied

totally putting the onus on the buyer to research & complain

if you don't know what you're doing. you shouldn't be doing it
if you do it, you can't complain about others doing it
if you complain about others doing it............

well, that just shows something, doesn't it?

[MoviePosterBid.com]

this description says everything.
it is pretty much saying with certainty it is a first release poster. It is not an ambiguous statement

An Original 1947 (from the first release of this movie in Belgium) Vintage Theatrical Folded Belgian Movie Poster (measures 10 3/4" x 15 1/4" [27 x 39 cm])



the small print turns it into  an ambiguous statement.
Please do not bid on this poster unless you can accept the uncertainty as to its year of origin.


It's either one or the other and cannot be both.
either it is absolutely an original and you can state so unequivocally, or you state that you have absolutely no clue what it is.
You can't say both and get away with it

[Silhouette]

...but the circumvention logic is that a lifetime refund is warrantied

Puffery and Honesty, should they be used in the same sentence?

[MoviePosterBid.com]

Puffery and Honesty, should they be used in the same sentence?

definitely not

but here is what I would have to advertise this poster as: not yet salable.

If there is any doubt what-so-ever being an original release poster, then it should not include any language that it IS and original release poster as the title of the listing reports.
If it was a consigned item, I would have to ask the consignor if he wants it A) listed as a re-issue, or B) not listed until a true Belgian poster expert could give a definitive determination as to the originality of the poster.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Forcing the buyer to have to A) do the research at their time B) get definitive proof to show the seller C) deal with the time frame in between when the money is not accessible to spend on other purchases D) Sitting there wondering how long it will take me to deal with the dealer after I try to get my money back

to me is an abrogation of my responsibilities
It is MY job to authenticate the poster, not my buyer's job.
That's what my "contract" with my bidders represents - MY JOB

I cannot in good conscience waste my bidder's time at no positive value to them

it's like the autograph thread again

[Bruce]

Who just deleted a lot of posts here and why?

[50s]

Who just deleted a lot of posts here and why?

I still have them

[Bruce]

I still have them

This stuff is pretty wild. I sure hope the person responsible comes forward and explains their actions.

[MoviePosterBid.com]

I still have them

so do I

[holiday]

Who just deleted a lot of posts here and why?

I DID.  GO READ WHAT I JUST POSTED ON THE MAIN BOARD.  STOP THIS NOW.

[Bruce]

You have my word that I won't post one word attacking anyone in any way.

Bruce

[holiday]

You have my word that I won't post one word attacking anyone in any way.

Bruce

Thank you, and please, anyone else out there who is feeling the need to go on the offense, follow Bruce's lead.  If you don't stop it, I most certainly will.

[Harry Caul]

I DID.  GO READ WHAT I JUST POSTED ON THE MAIN BOARD.  STOP THIS NOW.

Thank you!!!