Mid-auction analysis - OMGs!, LOLs!, WTFs!, whatev....

[paul waines]

I wonder if Dave Knows this seller is using his name to confuse buyers…?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THE-TIME-MACHINE-Large-Film-Poster-40-x-27-Professionally-Folded-NEW-/251450637427?pt=UK_DVD_Film_TV_Film_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item3a8ba03c73

[erik1925]

And it's "professionally folded." 

[rdavey26]

I am sorry if I out someone that is watching this but I feel that it deserves to be mentioned as it is a rarity. Not in the greatest of shape
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131113920676?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[Charlie]

Brace Yourself!  Quarterly "outing" rants to begin soon...

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Showdown!  HA, EMP, and CMP are all auctioning Star Wars three sheets, all excellent condition.  Quien es mas macho?

[Silhouette]

Dave: he consigns himself, he sells himself, he wins!

[CineMasterpieces]

That is not really accurate. We rarely auction our own inventory at no reserve. Only 5 of our current auctions are ours, the rest are from our various clients.

Our true no reserve auctions generally perform as well as Heritage or Bruce when comparing apples to apples. Sometimes even better, and sometimes worse.

Our fixed price on site consignment program can't be beat though, by anyone (except maybe for an occasional wtf from Sotheby's or other auction). We can sell posters for double, even triple or more than what they usually sell for at auction.

[Harry Caul]

I can attest to Dave's high prices for fixed priced consignments! 

And Dave, you seem to be getting some of your own WTF prices for auctions as well... case in point:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAIDERS-OF-THE-LOST-ARK-NO-RESERVE-CineMasterpieces-ORIGINAL-MOVIE-POSTER-1981-/181313304816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a371d78f0

 

Together I paid $140 for rolled mint 81 and R82 posters! 

[paul waines]

If you want Bullshit in a description try this listing..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171246337590?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648


He states two of these RE-RELEASE posters were on display at the Leicester Square Odeon for the Premier in 1953..  Ya, right. Would you buy a second hand car from this fellow.

It even states Burton back by popular demand. If anyone buys this they deserve it.



Just repeating this from the other section..

[Mirosae]

If you want Bullshit in a description try this listing..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171246337590?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648


He states two of these RE-RELEASE posters were on display at the Leicester Square Odeon for the Premier in 1953..  Ya, right. Would you buy a second hand car from this fellow.

It even states Burton back by popular demand. If anyone buys this they deserve it.



Just repeating this from the other section..

Thanks Paul..I am so grateful to you and others, it is very good that you guys share all this info. I don't like ebay that much, so it is helpful to know how best to keep out of these 

[CSM]

In what year were magic markers first marketed widely to the public??

http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3311815

[Silhouette]

the 50s - pourquoi?

[CSM]

the 50s - pourquoi?

Look at the poster - sure looks like whatever was written was done so in marker?  That would be hard to accomplish in 1947?

[50s]

I wonder why someone would guillotine it there?

[MoviePosterBid.com]

maybe the answer to all the questions above is at this link

http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=665&lotNo=28899

you have to wonder where "20 years of research" are being used

[Silhouette]

Look at the poster - sure looks like whatever was written was done so in marker?  That would be hard to accomplish in 1947?

Are you sure the writing is from 1947?

Just saw this post

http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=665&lotNo=28899

So one has to admit the colours are far more vivid like the HA R60 one than the previous EMP R47s sold, although that said, this one is similar in vividness to that R60s: http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13721242.html

The rest: http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/CASABLANCA%2520%2528%252742%2529/type/Belgian/archive.html

I have no idea but I note some were printed with maps on and other were not, perhaps the ones that are not are of a later date and the ones that are (given they would be likely the same print run) are the earlier ones? Logical supposition?

[CSM]

maybe the answer to all the questions above is at this link

http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=665&lotNo=28899

you have to wonder where "20 years of research" are being used

At least that alleged 60s release has a partial stamp on it which gives it some level of authenticity (apart from the top snipe)

[CSM]

Are you sure the writing is from 1947?

All these Belgian Casablancas (amongst other Belgian titles) have long worried me.  Yes, there were strict paper laws in Belgium which led to saving of many posters but there just seems to be way too many around in incredible condition with a convenient singularly neat fold across the middle. And not a tax stamp or other markings to be seen.  

David - of course I do not know if the writing is from 1947.  But that is the alleged approximate year of release of this poster.  However, just using "my senses" and seeing colourful marker used on the poster is a major red flag for me - which, in my opinion, should easily push the date of the poster into the 1960s and more likely even later (like the 1980s when many of the these Belgians were reprinted/reproduced/restruck whatever the case may be).  

Sure the argument could be made that it is a circa 1947 release printing that was stored and then used 15, 20, 40 years later but that, to me and hopefully most others, is overly ambitious reasoning...

[MoviePosterBid.com]

So one has to admit the colours are far more vivid like the HA R60 one than the previous EMP R47s sold, although that said, this one is similar in vividness to that R60s: http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13721242.html

Oh Yeah.. Spin sure to be coming.....

I have no idea but I note some were printed with maps on and other were not, perhaps the ones that are not are of a later date and the ones that are (given they would be likely the same print run) are the earlier ones? Logical supposition?

that would be the obvious conclusion

[CSM]

I should point out, in fairness, that Bruce does raise concerns about the Belgian Casablanca's release date:

The poster offered here is NOT printed on the back of a map, but it is the small size Belgian that we have only seen on Belgian posters from during and right after World War II, but it is possible that the movie was re-released in the early 1950s, and that they printed the posters from the exact same plates, which would account for the smaller size. Please do not bid on this poster unless you can accept the uncertainty as to its year of origin

However, the point of my original post centres on the use of marker on the poster as a means to further support a release date well more recent than even the 1950s.

[MoviePosterBid.com]

I would say these posters and the one cited in David's post are all the same release as well as the one currently for sale

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/9334056.html

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13488552.html

it would be my opinion that they are the same 1960s re-issue posters that Heritage explains the copy they sold is

what form will this spin take?

[MoviePosterBid.com]

Chris, marker can be placed there years after it's original printing, so by itself, it doesn't really say much.

however, what Heritage explains is a more plausible conclusion

[Charlie]

Look at the poster - sure looks like whatever was written was done so in marker?  That would be hard to accomplish in 1947?

Lee Newman patented a felt-tipped marking pen in 1910.[3] In 1926 Benjamin Paskach patented a "fountain paintbrush"[4] as he called it which consisted of a sponge-tipped handle containing various paint colors. Markers of this sort began to be popularized with the sale of Sidney Rosenthal's Magic Marker which consisted of a glass tube of ink with a felt wick. By 1958 use of felt-tipped markers was commonplace for a variety of applications such as lettering, labeling, and creating posters.[5] The year 1962 brought the development of the modern fiber-tipped pen (in contrast to the marker, which generally has a thicker point) by Yukio Horie of the Tokyo Stationery Company.

[CSM]

Lee Newman patented a felt-tipped marking pen in 1910.[3] In 1926 Benjamin Paskach patented a "fountain paintbrush"[4] as he called it which consisted of a sponge-tipped handle containing various paint colors. Markers of this sort began to be popularized with the sale of Sidney Rosenthal's Magic Marker which consisted of a glass tube of ink with a felt wick. By 1958 use of felt-tipped markers was commonplace for a variety of applications such as lettering, labeling, and creating posters.[5] The year 1962 brought the development of the modern fiber-tipped pen (in contrast to the marker, which generally has a thicker point) by Yukio Horie of the Tokyo Stationery Company.

Patented and marketed/salable are obviously far different.

But yes this is some of the research I had located as well.  So the earliest it could be is 1950s based on the marker alone...

[CSM]

Chris, marker can be placed there years after it's original printing, so by itself, it doesn't really say much.

however, what Heritage explains is a more plausible conclusion

True but is it logical that an original 1947/48 release would be utilized for a screening at a much later date for which the screening details were written in marker?

Plausible? Certainly.  Likely? Not in my opinion...

And Rich your HA link doesn't really provide anything further other than HA's blanket "This item was cataloged wrong and we are told is an early 1960s re-issue"

Is there another HA auction (or elsewhere) that gives credence to this statement?