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« Reply #3575 on: February 06, 2013, 03:05:20 PM »
That's a steal Matt, cause now they're worth 2k.  And they say you can't make a profit on movie posters!


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« Reply #3576 on: February 06, 2013, 03:27:05 PM »
Matt get yours consigned to Heritage and their idiotic bidders right quick!  ;)
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« Reply #3577 on: February 06, 2013, 10:43:50 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330869738964?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

This will be interesting. The original should be 15x40. It is also backboarded but still rare and a nice poster.

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« Reply #3578 on: February 06, 2013, 10:58:14 PM »
Was watching that one Rick.  Beyond the size it just doesn't 'look' right either...
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« Reply #3579 on: February 07, 2013, 12:31:17 AM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330869738964?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

This will be interesting. The original should be 15x40. It is also backboarded but still rare and a nice poster.

Yeah, but it's a daybill  :-[

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« Reply #3580 on: February 07, 2013, 12:33:27 AM »
Saw it too, what is Masonite?  :D

It looks like hardboard to me.
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« Reply #3581 on: February 07, 2013, 12:42:15 AM »
Yep, saw it three...four...whatever.

Too risky and too much trimmed.

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« Reply #3582 on: February 07, 2013, 12:43:52 AM »
I remember seeinga a poster backed onto masonite somewhere, obviously not a good move for its value but i guess it displays ok.
The top white section of this poster has gone.
I see it has a couple of bidders. It does look like the original colours but the framing border is a worry. i have pointed out to the seller that it is trimmed but i don't think the description has been changed.


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« Reply #3583 on: February 07, 2013, 12:46:22 AM »
Likely the top has been trimmed somewhat but seems logical that the rest is just behind that decorative mat

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I tell a lie, an extreme close up reveals it has actually been cut to side to fit on the masonite(?) and then fitted inside that gold border/mat, the edges are well worn
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« Reply #3584 on: February 07, 2013, 12:52:09 AM »

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« Reply #3585 on: February 07, 2013, 12:57:24 AM »
Show off. ;D You must be tired of looking at it Rick....my eyes could use a workout. wynk

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« Reply #3586 on: February 07, 2013, 12:57:57 AM »
« Last Edit: February 07, 2013, 01:03:07 AM by Silhouette »
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« Reply #3587 on: February 07, 2013, 06:05:16 AM »
I had noticed the connection with HA sale.
There was another one sold in the past year or so, but this one on eBay won't get such a price unless something silly happens.

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« Reply #3588 on: February 07, 2013, 10:33:41 AM »
I normally don't like to 'out' auctions in progress with fair starting bids, but this "Frankenstein vs. Wolf Man" HS scares the crap out of me.... someone already outed the auction on MOPO so I replied the following there:

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Here are their auction photos for the Frankenstein vs. Wolf Man HS (downloaded
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Here are the two HA sold:










How heavy was the restoration on the Haggard fakes?  This thing looks like a
daybill artist got a hold of it!  :)



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« Reply #3589 on: February 07, 2013, 10:34:36 AM »
Here is the reply I got from the auction house this morning...

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Thank you for your interest in Lot 1195, the Frankenstein Poster.   We
understand your concerns and have actually updated our condition report on this
poster.   

Condition: Excellent. Restored and sealed in cellophane against poster board.
Linen backed. Noted painted restorations with watercolor and gouache in woman's
dress, side of Frankenstein's face, Frankenstein's shirt where Wolf Man is
grabbing him, lamp pole, upper left corner, between Frankenstein's leg and
woman, the folds and minor scattered paint.

With regard to your concerns and hesitancy to commit to this piece, while we
have no reason to doubt this poster’s authenticity, we would prefer that you
either view it yourself in person or have your agent do so before bidding.  Our
consignor believes this poster to be the real thing, and therefore will not
agree to a refund,  allow you to authenticate or renounce it after purchase and
possibly give it to the authorities.
 
Again, we thank you for your interest as well as the time you took to share
with us your concerns.

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« Reply #3590 on: February 07, 2013, 11:21:39 AM »
"will not agree to a refund,  allow you to authenticate or renounce it after purchase and possibly give it to the authorities"

That's not QUITE the same as the eMoviePoster.com guarantee!

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« Reply #3591 on: February 07, 2013, 11:28:24 AM »
In my email I mentioned that this title could have been faked by Haggard and that the FBI would certainly get involved if it turned out to be one.  I think that is what their statement was referring to :)

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« Reply #3592 on: February 07, 2013, 12:01:52 PM »
I normally don't like to 'out' auctions in progress with fair starting bids, but this "Frankenstein vs. Wolf Man" HS scares the crap out of me.... someone already outed the auction on MOPO so I replied the following there:


Can someone explain how Haggard created convincing half sheet and larger size fakes? The articles say that Haggard used "photos" of originals. Presumably he used inkjet printers, right? Those could easily be detected with a loupe, right?

I totally understand the one sheet fakes made from the S2 recreations.  Those were more difficult to detect since the S2s were printed with old chromium litho presses.

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« Reply #3593 on: February 07, 2013, 01:34:20 PM »
Well, I'll answer my own question - I'm really good at that :)

The technical issues were discussed thoroughly here:

http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/8146/Anybody-Used-That-Poster-Authentication-Service?page=2

And Bob Brooks totally nailed it here:

http://stylec.yuku.com/reply/106921/Anybody-Used-That-Poster-Authentication-Service#reply-106921



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« Reply #3594 on: February 07, 2013, 02:11:09 PM »
Here is the reply I got from the auction house this morning...

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Thank you for your interest in Lot 1195, the Frankenstein Poster.   We
understand your concerns and have actually updated our condition report on this
poster.   

Condition: Excellent. Restored and sealed in cellophane against poster board.
Linen backed. Noted painted restorations with watercolor and gouache in woman's
dress, side of Frankenstein's face, Frankenstein's shirt where Wolf Man is
grabbing him, lamp pole, upper left corner, between Frankenstein's leg and
woman, the folds and minor scattered paint.

With regard to your concerns and hesitancy to commit to this piece, while we
have no reason to doubt this poster’s authenticity, we would prefer that you
either view it yourself in person or have your agent do so before bidding.  Our
consignor believes this poster to be the real thing, and therefore will not
agree to a refund,  allow you to authenticate or renounce it after purchase and
possibly give it to the authorities.
 
Again, we thank you for your interest as well as the time you took to share
with us your concerns.

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So shouldn't someone raise concerns with the authorities? I'd hate someone to go through a lot of heartache and cost (trying to recover their money) because an auction house failed to properly address the concerns raised, more so because it seems many of the collecting community are already asking questions.
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« Reply #3595 on: February 07, 2013, 02:27:23 PM »
Mel, while the posters Haggard faked (let us not forget with the help of Jaime) were shot with camera, the type of camera has alot to do with it
you can be sure Heritage uses a top-of-the-line SLR with a very high resolution. I've printed out a section of a poster on 13x19 paper with my HP large format printer, to match by size a regular poster and you would be shocked at the quality.

The three sheets, some of which I have seen in person, are so near to perfect that if no such scheme has yet been outed, I doubt that hardly anyone could tell the difference between teh fakes and the authentic.  It's easier to doubt when you haven't seen the items in person, and also, they got better over time.

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« Reply #3596 on: February 07, 2013, 02:28:48 PM »
and PS: those auctioneers would have a really hard time voiding your rights to report said lobby card to the authorities. They must think they're Republicans or something

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« Reply #3597 on: February 07, 2013, 02:29:49 PM »
Not sure if anyone has seen this a/o interested....uhm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121053256735?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619


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« Reply #3599 on: February 07, 2013, 03:05:29 PM »
So shouldn't someone raise concerns with the authorities? I'd hate someone to go through a lot of heartache and cost (trying to recover their money) because an auction house failed to properly address the concerns raised, more so because it seems many of the collecting community are already asking questions.

That this auctioneer, Louis Dianni, makes any reference or comment about this halfsheet being taken to the authorities is a HUGE red flag about this individual's character and integrity, IMHO. As the party being asked to auction this item on behalf of his consignor, one would think Dianni would want a reputation for auctioning genuine items.

For him to simply rely on the word of the consignor, "who believes it to be real" (especially with the recent Haggard debacle as pointed out to him by Matt), and to continue to say, "No refunds" is telling. One would think Dianni would now go to the consignor, let him know that there are concerns and have him get the halfsheet authenticated by a professional.

And if the poster is bought and proven to be fake, that buyer is simply out X grand (or whatever it sells for), without recourse? I would think not.

It is interesting how none of the wolf man touch ups are mentioned in the "revised" condition report. And I love the line ending with: "...minor, scattered paint." Scattered where?  :P

In addition, the amount of painting on the wolf man, and how it was done, is very evident. Here is just that section showing the Wolf Man-- his face, arms, torn shirt sleeve and the shadowing. Even the white clouds in the yellow sky, to the right of the wolf man's back, are now completely gone.

In comparison, the first and second images are closeups from the 2 HA posters:

 
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