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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2017, 01:39:05 PM »
Erik1925, do you remember when I complained to you about a poster that looked totally different then the pic and rating...reading this thread brought those bad feelings back how.

Hey Aj, after you reminded me of the title, I did recall the poster.

Plus, you showed me a pic of it, too, pointing out those differences. 



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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2018, 10:46:41 AM »
Apologies for the delay on this, which is at this point excessive on my end to be honest.
We are going through some somewhat major house projects/issues so poster access just isn't happening in the time being...hopefully soon and I'll put up pics here for you guys to see.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2018, 11:35:50 AM »
HA didn't change their description/grade so i've copied this from other thread to remind/warn peeps that stevie wonder still helps out at heritage now and again

bit of a joke description/grading from HA here
btw what the hell is airbrushed back? i guess it means painted? jeezus.
i've always thought it a JOKE that HA doesn't show pics of the backs of lobbies and photos
(probably because i remember that i got a lobby from them which was covered in tape... >:( eyeroll)
anyway, back to You Can't Take It With You, i don't see any mention of fading in the description
hmmmm. looks super f-a-d-e-d to me. have a look at recent EMP pic for comparison





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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2019, 10:28:52 PM »
Apologies for the delay on this, which is at this point excessive on my end to be honest.
We are going through some somewhat major house projects/issues so poster access just isn't happening in the time being...hopefully soon and I'll put up pics here for you guys to see.

Since youre back, Ben, maybe we can now finally see the poster that was the basis of this thread?  Here's hoping, anyhow, in the 1+ year since it was started. ;)
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2019, 07:19:28 PM »
I know, I've really dropped the ball here. Ill do my best to get it going this week. I promise. Sorry again...its on me.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2019, 07:40:58 PM »
I know, I've really dropped the ball here. Ill do my best to get it going this week. I promise. Sorry again...its on me.

Now Jan 26th....

This thread has been bringing the LOLs, since November of 2017.  HAHA.gif  waiting1  ;)


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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2019, 06:22:38 PM »
Let’s keep the LOL’z going.

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2019, 12:17:55 PM »
Let’s keep the LOL’z going.

Yes, lets.

I've been living away from home for some time unfortunately, and am not around my posters....one day these pics will make a glorious entrance.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2020, 12:59:22 PM »
Since you guys have been logging on every day to see when the pics would arrive...today is the day, yay!

I looked at it once when it arrived and had a few seconds. Since then, we have moved and most of my stuff has been in somewhat of a chaotic unorganized mess...I found the tube, misplaced it again, etc...regardless, It has been so long since I have unrolled it a second time (today) and its borderline ridiculous. Please stop the 'people have different definitions of C6' and so on Rich.  There are 4 severe rips at the bottom, a nice sized one on the right, tatters and lines throughout, etc.

This poster is BS and posting that 'pic' and sending me this is ridiculous. It wasn't a ton of $ and its been literally over two years so I am over it, but I am done with HA and will be sure to send people elsewhere when I can. I appreciate the folks who sent me the link when it was up, I was and am still very grateful. Its been over 10 years trying to find one up to that point and while the search continues, at the very least I paid for my education on avoiding HA. This was an egregious cover up and insulting on every level...I am mad at myself at not making a stink about this when I got it but oh well.

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2020, 02:53:38 PM »
Finally!
A comparison of what you had to the original photos.
There is no doubt that this poster was overgraded. I don't believe it's a 6, it's probably a 5.
It's been so long, I don't remember what happened when you took T's advice and contacted Grey about it - can you remind us?
(We should probably all take T's advice and not buy any posters after 1980 in less than 9 anyways)
I did a very quick look at the HA picture and circled thing that jumped out at me. It looks like everything you note can be seen in the original HA image.
You just had a problem with the number they assigned to it, yes?
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2020, 03:00:25 PM »
The digital flattening of the image and correcting the complete rips and tears, they severely falsified the condition. The circled locations you provided do not read as complete tears, nor did the description read as such. If this is C6-C5 even, then what is a C3 in that regard...6 separate pieces of a poster? If so, time to reevaluate the C system.

I did not contact Grey at all. As I mentioned, the issues of this poster after I received it was waaaaay on the back burner.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2020, 04:25:38 PM »
...The circled locations you provided do not read as complete tears, nor did the description read as such.

Really? this doesn't look like a tear to you?

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If this is C6-C5 even, then what is a C3 in that regard...6 separate pieces of a poster? If so, time to reevaluate the C system.

according to the HA descriptions, C-3 would allow for the poster to be brittle, staining, writing, and have paper loss.
https://movieposters.ha.com/tutorial/movieposters-grading.s
I'm sure the written descriptions would be more useful if they had photo representations. But yes, I agree - it is long past time for a universally used condition scale (though as most will say, nothing takes the place of large photos when you can't see it in person).

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I did not contact Grey at all. As I mentioned, the issues of this poster after I received it was waaaaay on the back burner.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2020, 05:14:28 PM »
The four at the bottom are the more egregious and did not appear to be complete separations that curled up the paper 5-6 inches. So, no...not really.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2020, 05:33:21 PM »
The four at the bottom are the more egregious and did not appear to be complete separations that curled up the paper 5-6 inches. So, no...not really.

What is the fourth one?
I see one that stops just below the "original soundtrack" box,
I see a second that obviously goes into the "E" in "Spielberg",
I see a third that obviously goes to the "M" in "Paramount" (and then looks to have later been torn up to the "O" in "George").

All are easily evident (to me at least) in the large scan.
I totally agree that none appear evident in the small image, and that you have to think "why is this graded a 6?" and then inspect the large image.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2020, 05:39:29 PM »
The digital flattening of the image

Also think this is just how it looks when stuck on a vacuum board.
Always wished I had one when I used to sell stuff, makes things so much easier (especially when photographing rolled pieces)
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2020, 07:11:14 PM »
If I bought this from EMP you would have been grabbing your pitchfork.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2020, 07:51:48 PM »
I don't agree with HA's description of this poster being a 5.0 either.
Thankfully I can also pull up the large scan and take a look at the defects myself.

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2020, 09:08:09 PM »
Yep, and if that vacuum board is sucking what is actually a tear or rip into what looks like a 'crease' then that would be an issue amirite.
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2020, 09:36:39 PM »
(We should probably all take T's advice and not buy any posters after 1980 in less than 9 anyways)

THIS IS IT!!!  Post 1980 posters should be mint.  Period.

Why did you even bother to buy a 6, Ben?  Makes no sense to me.  I know you wanted it, but a 6 should always be a no go.  ESPECIALLY post 1980.

And I agree, this is not a 6.  It is really a zero, in my book at least.  Toilet paper poster.

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2020, 09:47:06 PM »
I hope you find a copy in the condition you want, Ben!  Okie

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2020, 11:12:09 PM »
THIS IS IT!!!  Post 1980 posters should be mint.  Period.

Why did you even bother to buy a 6, Ben?  Makes no sense to me.  I know you wanted it, but a 6 should always be a no go.  ESPECIALLY post 1980.

And I agree, this is not a 6.  It is really a zero, in my book at least.  Toilet paper poster.

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2020, 11:12:30 PM »
I hope you find a copy in the condition you want, Ben!  Okie

Thanks Okie!
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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2020, 11:15:58 PM »
Maybe I need friends that don't send me auction links to a C6.

Did I do that?

I don’t remember.

If so, I’m sorry.

And no, I won’t send you mine.

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2020, 11:39:20 PM »
Whats C9/NM to one collector might not be the same grade to another

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Re: Heritage condition descriptions: Bringing the LOLs since 1976
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2020, 10:01:15 AM »
For the record, I bought this poster to tick the box in pencil, not ink. I liked it as a placeholder until I got a mint one as 99.9% of the time I go by the same rule above re: 80s posters, which is definitely the way to go.

The issue is HA refusing to be truthful via both visuals and description. If this is a C6 then the whole scale is broken. Schan you are getting caught up in irrelevant details, 5 rips vs 4, etc...showing a poster sucked against a board is nice to show a flattened image, but is also used to the seller/auction house's advantage in trying to get away with selling torn posters like this.
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