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Title: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: m154cath on March 22, 2020, 04:43:19 AM
As some might know myself,Matt(skyjacker) & Tang have been using Jeff as a US "poster buddy" for the last year or so. Unfortunately, Jeff seems to have gone AWOL with approximately £2000 worth of our posters. I'm a a patient man & not one to lose my rag quickly & thus far I have held my tongue & played it nice in the vain hope that Jeff's conscience would kick into action. It hasn't & enough is enough!
I originally posted a message on the forum for a US poster buddy when postage costs starts to rise from the States. Not having an endless pot of cash & in attempt to keep costs down it made economic sense. Jeff replied & everything when smoothly with regular communication & updates.
The problems only started when I asked for the stuff to be sent. Since then, virtually nothing! A single email to explain that due to serious health issues with his mum he has been away from his home & the forum but would be back soon(21/2). Now we all appreciate that family comes first. The health of a loved one far outweighs a few pieces of paper regardless of their monetary value. But Matt asked 5 months ago for his stuff to be sent & myself 3 months. It doesn't take long to send an email to keep people,you have agreed to help out, informed. Since December he has logged in to the Forum once. His eBay account is littered with negatives. He's just not replying to anyone! Holiday sent him a letter & Jason has tried ringing him (thanks for trying). Still nothing! Bugger! 
What do I do now? What lessons have been learnt? Am I being an inconsiderate bastard with a complete lack of sympathy for a man whose mum is "seriously ill"?
At the moment, I'm writing off the posters. Maybe, like Holiday/Cochan scenario a few years ago, it will all work itself out & the posters will be delivered. Probably too late for my wife's "hobby" room which 2 of the posters were presents for. She will survive thou. Some have said file a police report. I live in the UK & have no clue how to go down the legal path. If this had occurred in the UK I would have just jumped in the car,gone round his house & demanded them. Maybe take a baseball bat or a couple of "undesirables" as support. Regardless, I would have brought my posters home!
Some have said "why did you use Jeff!" It seemed a no brainier at the time. A long time member & frequent contributor to the Forum who seemed liked by all. Moreover, he was a Forum Administrator! Surely a position of trust & responsibility?  After reaching out to a few people about my problems with Jeff I start to hear rumours that he's done this kind of thing before & not to be trusted. That he caused members to leave the forum & not so well liked after all. A bit late now!
I'm not here to do a character assassination. I don't know what's really going on in Jeff's life right now. I'm here to put out a warning to others that before you decide to enlist the help of anyone do your research,ask around etc. I mean, the reason I joined this forum was to find like minded people who had a passion for film posters. To learn from & help others where I can. To provide information & pictures of posters other collectors might find of interest. I'd like to think I've done that. I help a couple of fellow collectors find posters they are after & hold till there tube is full. I post on the forum whenever I feel I have something useful to say or some new posters have arrived. & ive learnt a lot from the posts of fellow members. I didn't join the Forum to get shafted!
I'm done! Rant over for now! But if anyone finds themselves near Washington Place, LA.....


 
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Simes on March 22, 2020, 05:59:15 AM
Grief. I feel for you.

Yes, had I been offered help by Jeff, I too would have reacted in exactly the same way.  On the forum, ever present, ever helpful.  I'd have happily accepted his offer.

And yes, irrespective of whose health I was looking after, had I collected things from Ewbanks for people and found myself 'busier than normal', as you say, an email goes a long way - so long as the promises within are met.

Do we know if either your poster and/or Jeff are currently at that address?  If his mother lives out of town, presumably he too would be out..?

Hoping this will sort itself out.  Hoping it will be nothing other than different people reacting in different ways to personal trauma?  That said, worse case, is there any way of finding out if in fact he is still alive!  Has to be considered...

Missing people, police, ebay, Paypal…?  Can they be contacted at this stage?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tob on March 22, 2020, 06:36:33 AM
Thanks for sharing your experience, Mike. I hope he eventually comes through. I edited your post to remove his exact address as this forum is open to non-members, but if anyone can help with picking up the posters from Jeff, please PM Mike for details.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: m154cath on March 22, 2020, 07:20:18 AM
Thanks guys. It would indeed be nice if the situation could be resolved in an amicable & swift fashion.
Simon, as far as the posters go, they are all at his house & his mum lives "out of town" but where I'm unsure. He has been similarly out of town but for 3-5 months worth is another area of debate!
I'm unsure if eBay or Paypal could help but with likely possibility that the UK will be in lockdown shortly I will have plenty of time on my hands to check it out. Similarly for missing people etc.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on March 22, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
I haven't spoken to this guy in ages.  I found out a lot of stuff about him I didn't like, but kept him as a moderator because no one else wanted to do the job and it would have meant closing the forum.  So I closed my eyes instead and I now regret it. 

I apologize to you all.

We all have our load of crap to carry, but nothing in my view authorizes someone to steal from someone else.  At the very least, emails should be exchanged.  Your mother is sick?  It happens to all of us.  Both my parents are dead.  I went through hard times too.  One thing I didn't do though was cut myself off from the word.  No time, busy life?  BS.  Take time.  Sorry if I sound harsh, but I have very little sympathy for this crap, especially when it hurts others.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: timelessmoviemagic on March 23, 2020, 08:00:48 AM
I used Jeff once and he came through for me.

I feel for you guys, I get panicky if a package hasn't shipped within 10 days and no response so this situation would be horrible to go through.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Charlie on March 24, 2020, 10:56:51 PM
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Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: okiehawker on March 24, 2020, 11:21:37 PM
I've had some great discussions with Jeff over the last couple of years via APF.  I really feel like he will make this right - crosses to bear, skeletons, closets and all.  Most of my skeletons shook their bony hands out of the closet years ago (Thanks Crash Test Dummies). Sorry to hear this is happening, Mike.  Okie
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: kovacs01 on March 25, 2020, 02:12:08 AM
I wouldnt give up hope just yet, though it still sucks.  I had an experience years ago with someone on here, bought some stuff, and I was convinced he had stolen my money.  I think it was around $1000 or so.  This is the dude that mailed me a poster in afghanistan to put on my wall when I simply asked if someone could find one for me.  He asked me for my address, said he would look around, and it just showed up one day.  He wouldn't accept payment for it.  So of course I tristed him

He said he was doing undercover police work and couldnt get to it because he wasnt going home.  Then he had health issues and couldnt take care of it.  2-ish years after I paid, he finally sent them.  At the end of all of that, I tend to believe him.......

I say all that to say that if I were you, I would probably write them off.  But I also wouldnt lose some degree of hope that he still intends to mail them...........

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on March 25, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
Most of you guys know me, and Jeff was one of the main reasons I stopped coming here.

Enough said.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Starling on March 25, 2020, 02:29:55 PM
Most of you guys know me, and Jeff was one of the main reasons I stopped coming here.

Enough said.

SAME.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on March 25, 2020, 02:40:56 PM
I've been considering commenting in this thread since Mike first posted. I too have a number of very hard to find pieces with Jeff. Not that valuable to anyone perhaps but me, but still, I put a lot of time, money and energy in tracking them down and acquiring them for my collection.

Jeff bent over backwards to help me with these items. He's been great with communication and really gone the extra mile to help me, which is why I can't understand this.

My concern began when I asked for them to be shipped and sent the postage fees back in June last year. After that I guess events happened that made it difficult for Jeff to mail the 2 packages out.

The real issue for me is the lack of communication. I'm a fairly relaxed and understanding person and wouldn't / didn't have too much of a problem with the constant delays until it became apparent that there are a number of other people in the same situation as I am. So far I know of 6 people in the same position.

I'm hopeful that this can be resolved and Jeff will open up the dialogue once more with all concerned.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on March 25, 2020, 02:55:27 PM
Wow, you guys are really understanding about this.  More power to you.

Speaking of disappearance, this thread reminded me of that guy Brude, who also disappeared.  Anyone knows what happened to him?

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Harry Caul on March 25, 2020, 03:53:11 PM
Most of you guys know me, and Jeff was one of the main reasons I stopped coming here.

Enough said.

Glad to see you and Starling back! 
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on March 25, 2020, 04:22:34 PM
Wow, you guys are really understanding about this.  More power to you.

Speaking of disappearance, this thread reminded me of that guy Brude, who also disappeared.  Anyone knows what happened to him?

T

Was thinking the same thing, Anyone?? I haven't heard from him for over a year...
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on March 25, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
Glad to see you and Starling back!

Slowly Slowly, Matt.  See how this pans out...

Though I do hope the guys get their posters, nothing worse than stealing or messing with other peoples stuff.



Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tob on March 25, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
Regarding Brude, he was unwell and went offline. Jason spoke to him on the phone last week and he seems to be doing ok. Hopefully he’ll be back one day.

Paul and Starling, hope you do come back and post more, the forum is a better place for folk with your knowledge (and of course, the photos of your pretty posters!).
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Charlie on March 25, 2020, 05:13:30 PM
Glad to see you and Starling back!

Awesome! Good times...

With the new moderators and Jeff not around for a troll reply post, I might have to visit more too. Of course that might run some people off.   ;D

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Charlie on March 25, 2020, 05:14:32 PM
Slowly Slowly, Matt.  See how this pans out...

Though I do hope the guys get their posters, nothing worse than stealing or messing with other peoples stuff.

Paul went from quad master to master of social media. He gets all the girls with his pretty posters on fb...
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on March 25, 2020, 06:04:07 PM
Awesome! Good times...

With the new moderators and Jeff not around for a troll reply post, I might have to visit more too. Of course that might run some people off.   ;D

You should tell Rosa to come back too, Charlie.  I owe her a big apology.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Crazy Vick on March 25, 2020, 07:22:25 PM
Looooved Rosa.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Charlie on March 25, 2020, 07:54:18 PM
You should tell Rosa to come back too, Charlie.  I owe her a big apology.

T

Unfortunately, she went into hiding from even me.  Sent me a sort of farewell e-mail after all that stuff.  I'll see if I can find it and ping her.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: BruceH on March 26, 2020, 06:38:20 AM
Most of you guys know me, and Jeff was one of the main reasons I stopped coming here.

Enough said.

Same here. A troll of legendary status. AND the main forum moderator. Inconceivable.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on March 26, 2020, 10:09:03 AM
When I read these comments about Jeff I find it hard to reconcile it with how he treated me.

Obviously I’m not happy about the situation but because he was the main moderator on here I assumed he was liked and respected. I’m beginning to realise that’s clearly not the case.

I’m still hopeful he’ll come through in the end and set things right. I’ve heard of similar things happening in the past that have resolved themselves so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on March 26, 2020, 10:19:01 AM
Obviously I’m not happy about the situation but because he was the main moderator on here I assumed he was liked and respected. I’m beginning to realise that’s clearly not the case.

I've said it before, keeping him as a moderator was my mistake, and it has now been rectified.

But enough with the Jeff bashing, what has been done is done.  Like you said, we can only hope he makes things right in the end.

And Bruce and Paul, welcome back.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: bigmike on March 26, 2020, 10:26:10 AM
Back in 2018. Jeff helped me out with a couple of eBay auctions because they couldn’t ship to my location. So I won the auctions, and had it shipped to his place. He was very helpful and communicated very well at that time. He even replied when he received the package, took pictures to me as well and sent me pics. Within a couple of days, he had it out for delivery.. package was received almost a week later...

I hope for the best, and hope he is okay,  and hope that it works out for you guys.

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on March 26, 2020, 10:28:54 AM
I’m not bashing Jeff and I’m not bashing the decision to have him and keep him as a moderator.

I do hope however that others can learn from this. Members have told me how similar things have happened to them with other people on here. I hadn’t heard of that until this issue happened to me but I wish I had.

Having said that I hold no one responsible for my current situation except myself.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on March 26, 2020, 12:54:36 PM
Over the years, I've helped out many on here, but stopped it when I was asked to receive and send on a package, that kept getting bigger by the month. I eventually sent the several items off.  I had to pester the guy several times to see if they received them, I still never got a response ( until they asked me to do it again, which I refused), or even offer of my costs for packing and shipping, still waiting to this day.

So for me, yes, I'll do it, but only for a select few now.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on March 26, 2020, 03:02:40 PM
I’m not bashing Jeff and I’m not bashing the decision to have him and keep him as a moderator.

Im not saying you are.  All I’m saying is the guy is not a moderator anymore, he is just a member, and I think we’ve all said enough.  What matters now if for him to do the right thing and move on if he so wishes.  I personally do not have a relationship with him, I haven’t in a long time, I don’t really care one way or the other, but I’m sure very happy that two top notch collectors could replace him.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: timelessmoviemagic on April 24, 2020, 03:51:10 AM
Any news on if the guys got their posters or not?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on April 24, 2020, 04:39:52 AM
I haven’t heard anything from Jeff in sometime now. Given the state of the World I haven’t tried to contact him but when things calm down I will do. I’m still hopeful he’ll come through when he can.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on April 28, 2020, 07:02:13 AM
He has a habit of joining places with a different ID. Not sure if he's done the same here....
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: crowzilla on April 28, 2020, 08:57:29 AM
I’m not bashing Jeff and I’m not bashing the decision to have him and keep him as a moderator.

Except you wouldn't have used him if he hadn't been moderator here.

Hope this works out for everyone involved.
Just looked at his FB to see if there might be any clues, he posted a thank you for birthday wishes on January 16th, and that was his last post (and his first for over a month prior to that).


Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tob on April 28, 2020, 09:30:01 AM
He has a habit of joining places with a different ID. Not sure if he's done the same here....

I did a search to see if any other members were using the same IP address as his Erik1925 account and there doesn't seem to be any matches.

He could be using a VPN of course, but as most of the forum is open to non-members now, he could just be lurking. 
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on May 05, 2020, 08:15:12 AM
Talked to him April 30 , still the same "mother ill" excuse......prolly hes in financial pickle
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on May 06, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
Talked to him April 30 , still the same "mother ill" excuse......prolly hes in financial pickle

Glad you've spoken to him and he seems ok. I haven't heard from him recently.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on May 07, 2020, 01:14:37 AM
just skimming over this, all I can add is while Jeff lives in L.A., his family lives in Michigan or something like that.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on May 20, 2020, 12:18:03 PM
Ohio
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on May 20, 2020, 12:43:33 PM
Any news, good or otherwise?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: mahmudf on May 21, 2020, 05:53:34 PM
I'm no lawyer but isn't this considered to be mail fraud which is a federal crime

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud)
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: crowzilla on May 22, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
I'm no lawyer but isn't this considered to be mail fraud which is a federal crime

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud)

No.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on May 23, 2020, 07:15:24 AM
We gave him permission to help us......so no , i dont think he can be charged for that
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 18, 2020, 09:59:35 PM
Reported him to SM police , dont have the patience anymore

https://www.santamonicapd.org/pdform.aspx?ekfrm=6610
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on June 25, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Tang, I removed your post showing Jeff's mother's phone number.  Please do not post private phone numbers on a public forum.  You can text it to your friends if you want, but you cannot post it.

Thank you.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 25, 2020, 09:51:46 PM
The first number was Jeffs , no need to remove that.....Im tired of dillholes like him exploiting people
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on June 25, 2020, 10:11:41 PM
I understand.  Share that number with people he scammed, not with everyone.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 25, 2020, 10:49:31 PM
My reply to him today , blames it on his mom having cancer/surgery/corona :

"Perhaps i should call your mother to verify these stories ?

You must think im some kinda naive momo that you can bs

If youre really in OH then you can get on a plane or car or bus back to L.A , i dont give a f how , as long as you return my items now immediately"

If he could no longer help us out/didnt have time for it then why the f didnt he let us know last summer , no excuse for this !!!
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on June 26, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
Mind you need talk, your the fucker who still owes me...
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 27, 2020, 12:55:21 AM
You never , afaik , asked for a fee ?

Im talking with Euclid cops now , those of you thats still waiting for items back from Jeff , PM me
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on June 27, 2020, 03:19:16 AM
I didn't want a fee, just the postage costs, or were you expecting not to pay any?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 27, 2020, 05:38:38 AM
I never said i thought shipping was free , lmk
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on June 27, 2020, 12:04:45 PM
No, and you never paid either..
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on June 27, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
Hahaha Karma is a bitch!!!

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 27, 2020, 06:23:26 PM
Yes , for the autograph forgers as i will see to that they will be in a world of hurt

Send me your email and i will pay for the postage , lmk


Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on June 27, 2020, 06:36:06 PM
Hahaha Karma is a bitch!!!

T

So right in this case...
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 27, 2020, 07:05:55 PM
No, not right in this case , i forgot to pay for postage and you never reminded me either , whereas Jeff owes people 1000s of dollars in stuff and goodness knows if we'll get it back. Its not even close.

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: kovacs01 on June 27, 2020, 08:40:16 PM
Why should he need to remind you?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: kovacs01 on June 27, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
Over the years, I've helped out many on here, but stopped it when I was asked to receive and send on a package, that kept getting bigger by the month. I eventually sent the several items off.  I had to pester the guy several times to see if they received them, I still never got a response ( until they asked me to do it again, which I refused), or even offer of my costs for packing and shipping, still waiting to this day.

So for me, yes, I'll do it, but only for a select few now.

And, even if you needed reminding, it seems he did that on 26 March, 90 days ago.  Or were you not monitoring this thread?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on June 27, 2020, 09:38:05 PM
I think Paul is the only person I’ve ever asked for shipping help, and it was great.  If I remember correctly, I had bought stuff from an auction house in the UK that doesn’t ship (???) so I needed someone to pick it up from me and Paul did.  Am I right, Paul?  I hope I thanked you for the hassle, because it is a hassle.  I would never ask again unless it was an absolute necessity, meaning a poster I must have at all cost and cannot get without a third party’s help.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 27, 2020, 10:57:05 PM
Then he couldve told me how much it was prior to shipping it out , i wouldve paid of course

Didnt he have a track # too where it said whether it was recd or not ??

Hes not to speak with me again and i will have my account deleted
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 27, 2020, 11:00:38 PM
"Compliance with legal, regulatory and law enforcement requests.
We cooperate with government and law enforcement officials and private parties to enforce and comply with the law. We will disclose any information about you to government or law enforcement officials or private parties as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate to respond to claims and legal process (such as subpoena requests), to protect our property and rights or the property and rights of a third party, to protect the safety of the public or any person, or to prevent or stop activity we consider to be illegal or unethical"

(Jeff , May 22 2018)

 devil 2
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: 50s on June 28, 2020, 01:24:55 AM
pcorn
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on June 28, 2020, 04:06:31 AM
I'm getting very confused. Tang can fix his issue with Paul very easily, or Paul can send Tang a PayPal invoice for the owed postage. I can't see how this needs to get complicated.

I'm not sure what Tang's legal post means.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Simes on June 28, 2020, 04:51:37 AM
And, even if you needed reminding, it seems he did that on 26 March, 90 days ago.  Or were you not monitoring this thread?

Was this in response to Tang or Paul?  Confused.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Simes on June 28, 2020, 04:52:57 AM
I'm not sure what Tang's legal post means.

No one does, and we're not supposed to ask...
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on June 28, 2020, 04:53:42 AM
I sent Tang Many emails asking if he had received the package, as I was more concerned it had arrived OK. which he ignored for weeks. He eventually after much pestering  sent an email saying "yes" that he had them, I told him how much postage was as he never asked or even offered it, and to this day I've not heard from him.

I have as T says helped out several members on here, and like T all were very appreciative of this, T even sent a bit extra for me to have a drink on him, classy guy.  So there are people I will help and others I won't.  And Tang has had the cheek to ask me again for help twice.   It's not about the money for me, it was he was so unappreciative about the help.   I wasn't going to mention all this, but now the shoe is on the other foot...  As T says  Karma.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on June 28, 2020, 05:31:38 AM
Paul you should always get the postage costs paid upfront as Jeff always did. The problem was he just forgot to post the items on.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on June 28, 2020, 07:42:43 AM
Problem is Matt, I'm just too trusting, and the several guys off here I'd dealt with were spot on, and like I would, and have been, very appreciative..
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: marklawd on June 28, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
Problem is Matt, I'm just too trusting, and the several guys off here I'd dealt with were spot on, and like I would, and have been, very appreciative..

It is unacceptable for your kindness and trust to be abused Paul. It is 100% down to the recipient to ensure you are both thanked and paid. No sign of an apology either.

Mark
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Crazy Vick on June 28, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
FWIW I did recently ship for Tang, and while it took a couple of weeks to get off the ground (maybe he is busy), overall if was easy peasy. 

I even got an extra tip for my troubles (thanks Tang!)   thumbsup.gif
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 28, 2020, 03:44:25 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114254770610?ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F0%252Fe11051.m43.l1123%252F7%253Feuid%253Dc78f27d29f03436d83f0c3ab45fda300%2526bu%253D43379446696%2526segname%253D11051%2526crd%253D20200627012109%2526osub%253D-1%257E1%2526ch%253Dosgood%2526loc%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252F114254770610%2526sojTags%253Dbu%253Dbu%252Cch%253Dch%252Csegname%253Dsegname%252Ccrd%253Dcrd%252Curl%253Dloc%252Cosub%253Dosub%2526srcrot%253De11051.m43.l1123%2526rvr_id%253D0%2526rvr_ts%253Dfc7342bf1720aadc88727114fff3c9c0&ul_noapp=true

This dealer did not know it was a forgery if not for me , 1000s of dollars lost.....so f anyone talking bout karma insinuating im bad guy

Sold for just 2k to euro collector 7-8 yrs ago , very high possibility its Tadmans work
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Charlie on June 28, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
No sign of an apology either.

This...  Too bad - Paul is a wonderful poster buddy to have.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: timelessmoviemagic on June 29, 2020, 06:30:09 AM
This...  Too bad - Paul is a wonderful poster buddy to have.

I second this.

Great guy, INCREDIBLY knowledgeable. Had some very good chats with Paul.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on July 17, 2020, 01:33:30 AM
First of all , asked him twice now thru pm for shipping quote but he didnt bother to look it up

Second , i cannot find him in paypal so not possible for me to know whats due

The ball is in his court now , tried to make things right now

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on July 17, 2020, 11:38:48 AM
This is not about the money, this is about peoples attitude. The money is secondary.

It's been over two years, I just consider it paying my fee to see the kind of person I was dealing with. Keep the money, it's more important to you than me.

Like I said, all water under the bridge to me.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on July 18, 2020, 03:44:00 PM
Well , now its you being an asshole......instead of letting me settle this now you act like a jerk

I was on long term vacation in the US at the time

Ive enough to deal with bad health and allergy , yrs of abuse by people
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on July 18, 2020, 06:53:21 PM
I rest my case.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: holiday on July 22, 2020, 09:07:52 AM
The two of you, Paul and Tang.... 

You remind me of what I call "The Story of Naydi."  Naydi is a friend of mine, married.  She wanted her husband to do something for her, and at first he didn't. She got pissed off, called him out on it, and eventually he said he would do it. Now, though it wasn't good enough for Naydi, because he didn't say he'd do it in a particular way, his tone wasn't kind enough, or whatever it was that bent her.  So, said "just forget it."

The point is, Naydi was more committed to being right and upset than she was with having her husband do what she wanted.  He ultimately gave her what she wanted, but it wasn't good enough.

Tang said he would take care of it.  But that's not good enough for Paul.  Should we come up with a plan to punish Tang?  Should we beat him?  Or do you choose to reach for forgiveness and let it go (and let him make amends)? 

It's a choice. There's no right or wrong in it.  But life is TOO FUCKING SHORT for this kind of bullshit, folks.  For fucks sake, wake up.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on July 22, 2020, 01:29:01 PM
Life's too short and you've typed all that...??  Must be a slow day.

And after all that you've hit the Nail squarely on the Thumb.

I've told Tang and said so here, I don't want anything. I brought it up as he was having a go at Jeff, and he was just as guilty as Jeff is, otherwise I'd have said nothing. People in Glasshouses.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Crazy Vick on July 22, 2020, 02:17:47 PM

And after all that you've hit the Nail squarely on the Thumb.

My takeaway: if your wife asks you to pee on her while lovemaking, just suck it up and do it FFS.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: holiday on July 22, 2020, 10:36:16 PM
At last, someone gets it  devil 2
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: holiday on July 22, 2020, 10:39:37 PM
In no universe was he as guilty as Jeff.  Are you kidding me?  He didn’t pay you a few bucks for postage.  Jeff has not shipped a bunch of posters that he promised to.  They are not even in the ballpark.  And Tang said he would square up, while Jeff is nowhere to be seen.  Whatever bro.  Say what you gotta say cause clearly you’re a last word kinda guy....

Now, wait for it....

Life's too short and you've typed all that...??  Must be a slow day.

And after all that you've hit the Nail squarely on the Thumb.

I've told Tang and said so here, I don't want anything. I brought it up as he was having a go at Jeff, and he was just as guilty as Jeff is, otherwise I'd have said nothing. People in Glasshouses.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 03, 2020, 08:38:23 PM
I told Jeff just now i dont want to wait another 6 months or whatever for our items back

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on August 04, 2020, 03:50:58 AM
I understand your frustration but, given the state of the World, I think you'll have to remain patient. Hopefully Jeff will come through when he can.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Simes on August 04, 2020, 05:32:14 AM
I told Jeff just now i dont want to wait another 6 months or whatever for our items back

'Told him', over a phone, or in an email exchange that elicited some response which assures you of proof of life and thus comprehension?

Because otherwise, it seems you're just firing off messages into the ether?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 06, 2020, 08:43:33 PM
Ive talked to him thru email and cops have talked to him , im confident he will send out the items asap now (which is prolly within 1-3 months as hes in OH now)

So hopefully we'll have the items by January next yr
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: ladeda on August 06, 2020, 09:06:04 PM
This is upsetting to read. I hope all involved will receive their items and be able to move on from this once and for all. It's wild that even well established members in the community are still prone to move in shady ways.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 06, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
I doubt hed lie to police , im giving Jeff benefit of the doubt now , he has followed thru previously
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on August 06, 2020, 11:41:19 PM
and cops have talked to him...

During a pandemic, cops have talked to him about a bunch of posters he didn't send???  Are you in the US, because I seriously doubt that 1) anyone has talked to him, let alone the cops, and 2) that he even cares...  He screwed a bunch of people and moved on.  As I would have in his shoes.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Simes on August 07, 2020, 04:17:28 AM
..As I would have in his shoes.

T

I hope the 'in his shoes' bit was in reference to just moving on, and not the screwing us all over while maniacally laughing into your sherry...
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on August 07, 2020, 08:52:24 AM
I hope the 'in his shoes' bit was in reference to just moving on, and not the screwing us all over while maniacally laughing into your sherry...

It should have read "If I was a crook and had screwed my friends all over while maniacally laughing into my sherry, I would have disappeared into the night."

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Undead on August 07, 2020, 03:08:45 PM
It should have read "If I was a crook and had screwed my friends all over while maniacally laughing into my sherry, I would have disappeared into the night."

T

Much better
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 07, 2020, 08:55:01 PM
I DID talk with police thru email and they went to his mother and talked to him......it is now up to him but i doubt hes gonna lie to cops and within few weeks we will get our stuff
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: timelessmoviemagic on August 10, 2020, 09:51:38 AM
I hope the 'in his shoes' bit was in reference to just moving on, and not the screwing us all over while maniacally laughing into your sherry...

This made me laugh in a thread full of bad stuff
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on September 22, 2020, 11:33:46 PM
Full force prosecution is coming by Oct 1st , my patience is up and hes had more than enough time now , hes doing no one any favors by stalling
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on September 23, 2020, 05:58:06 AM
I understand your frustrations Tang. What does 'full force prosecution' mean? Are you taking legal action? My opinion is that Jeff will come through in his own time, when that will be though is a different question.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on September 23, 2020, 10:43:05 AM
I don't think we'll ever hear from Jeff again (I won't shed a tear) and nothing will ever happen to him for a few missing posters.  It's time to move on.  The posters are gone and so is Jeff.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on September 23, 2020, 11:13:48 AM
I have actually heard from Jeff and I'm still hopeful that one day this will all be resolved.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on September 23, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
So what you heard is that he's been taking care of his ailing mother for the past year and it's so overwhelming he can't find time to answer emails or texts, let alone send a couple posters?  Is that the gist?

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on September 23, 2020, 03:16:12 PM
Did you get the same email?  ;)

I well aware I'm being optimistic but there isn't much more I can do unless I fly over to LA and knock on his door, which I have considered.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on September 23, 2020, 04:34:02 PM
How much did you lose?  Any one of a kind posters that cannot be replaced?

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on September 23, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
Not a huge financial loss, although not insignificant to me. It's more that the posters will be hard to find again, if not impossible. Again, not expensive or desirable to most so I can't imagine Jeff would want them, or try to resell them. I'd be the only one interested!
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on September 23, 2020, 06:09:44 PM
I hear you.  I sucks.  On the other hand, you know, he has to take care of his mother... so there is that.  It's very very time consuming.  So you guys need to cut this nice fellow some slack.  Both my parents are dead, cancer, I took care of them, and I remember how impossible it was for me to do anything else.  Ultimate BS!!!!

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: 50s on September 23, 2020, 09:10:11 PM
Up until some months ago I looked after my mum who has advanced dementia. I was not working so as to provide the home care. In the end doctors wouldn't release her back to my care after a hospital visit as she was so in need of 24/7 care ( I basically wasn't allowed to go out the house without being able to leave her). Although she needed a lot of attention and my time, the in between time I had for a breather was spent still highly strung (I'd say pretty much debilitated) and I could only barely function to do my own critical stuff like to pay my car rego. Don't know Jeff's circumstance or arrangements with others, or excusing even any non communication, just saying there can be a plausible reason, like eat Brie mentioned, for going quiet in the case of looking after a sick parent. Good luck to all who are waiting on their posters, it must be so frustrating.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Crazy Vick on September 23, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
Jeff is a total shithead for expecting people to "accept that he is going through a rough period with mum" while completely discounting the obvious and increasing  frustration he has caused to several individuals across the globe, all of which are probably dealing with their own shit - pandemic or no pandemic.

Jeff used to post 29 times a day, every day of the week, but since March we are supposed to believe he's unable to respond to this thread ONCE to apologize and confirm that he will eventually get to the posters? 

I would bet the ROTJ on my wall that Jeff is lurking (guest or "new" member, whatever) and he's read this entire thread multiple times. 

The only way Jeff could ever save face is if he's been in a coma since March, otherwise he's just a shithead.  The sad reality for Tang and others is that they will also certainly never see their posters again.   :'(
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on September 24, 2020, 06:31:45 AM
I hear you.  I sucks.  On the other hand, you know, he has to take care of his mother... so there is that.  It's very very time consuming.  So you guys need to cut this nice fellow some slack.  Both my parents are dead, cancer, I took care of them, and I remember how impossible it was for me to do anything else.  Ultimate BS!!!!

T

I'm sorry to hear that, I can't imagine how difficult that must have been.

I've never been anything but courteous to Jeff, never threatened or demanded anything from him. All I've done is try to keep the dialogue going every so often. If someone is going through a very difficult time I don't want to make that worse for them. That doesn't mean to say that I'm not incredibly frustrated, but as long as we email occasionally I'm hopeful he'll come through when he can.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on September 24, 2020, 11:28:10 AM
I'm sorry to hear that, I can't imagine how difficult that must have been.

Of course it's hard.  I had to change my dad's diapers.  Not fun.  But guess what?  I'm going to let you in on a little secret... it happens to all of us!!!  And during these challenging months, you know what, I still ate, I still showered, I still talked to my friends, I still payed my bills, I still went to the grocery store, I still did all the things that were expected of me, because this is life.  That guy Jeff has absolutely ZERO excuses.  NONE.  Shit happens and you deal.  Personally, I hope to never hear from him again.  It sucks for you guys, but that is also life.  You learn from your mistakes and move on.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: BruceH on September 24, 2020, 10:06:54 PM
Jeff used to post 29 times a day, every day of the week...

Point of order. If he returns, and "makes good", will he once again be the moderator?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: crowzilla on September 24, 2020, 10:48:52 PM
Point of order. If he returns, and "makes good", will he once again be the moderator?

Pretty sure you are safe and only have to worry about Rich now.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on September 25, 2020, 12:26:59 AM
Point of order. If he returns, and "makes good", will he once again be the moderator?

Hahaha... Good one!!!  Like Crowzilla said, you're safe.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Simes on September 25, 2020, 04:55:16 AM
Hilarious.

Light brevity in an otherwise grim thread.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on September 25, 2020, 07:47:53 AM
Pretty sure you are safe and only have to worry about Rich now.

Nice to hear you're not giving Bruce a hard time anymore.  ;)
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on November 11, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
Im thru dealing with assholes like him and other scammers , the last thing they should do now is to disrespect me , believe me it wont be pleasant when i get to L.A  devil 2

......and i will , soon
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: 50s on November 11, 2020, 06:45:58 PM
Maybe his sick mum shat on the posters and hasn't been brave enough to tell people so
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: kovacs01 on November 22, 2020, 03:17:29 AM
Pretty sure you are safe and only have to worry about Rich now.

Still have to worry about me too, fuckers.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: DinDinTahm on November 22, 2020, 04:36:00 AM
https://youtu.be/CBndhR9GcWM


Ha ha - I just worked out this thread is about erik1925. Couldn't have happened to a more appropriate guy. I knew what the ass-wipe was years ago - I instantly saw through his 'holier than thou' act and realised what a waste of space he was. Completely superfluous to an online forum or to anything or anyone in the physical realm. Irrelevant. He posted a lot but I didn't learn anything from him. Just a slimy, withered old thing who'll go the same place that tramp of a mother that shat him out, has parked her rotting twat. He also had and has a major hard-on for an Australian dealer who ripped me off big time so I'm glad Jeff kept promoting it - guilty by association. And it is guilty.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on January 10, 2021, 01:53:13 AM
What aussie dealer ?

Jeff , i gave you benefit of doubt until January - which is now. Do the right thing and follow thru.

 
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: 50s on January 10, 2021, 07:50:19 AM
I thought Tang you were going to get in the lawyers and at another time were going to turn up on his door step. Sounds like the talk fizzled to nothing? He's probably not concerned by the huff and puff. You might need a different approach as sounds like you are still sitting at square one! But good luck, I hope you and others get their stuff.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on January 10, 2021, 08:17:37 AM
For me this started in November 2018. I've always been polite to Jeff and still have nothing to show for it. I don't think in reality either method will work unless someone actually knocked on his door, and we all know that's not going to happen. I still live in hope though.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on January 10, 2021, 11:01:52 AM
Just curious here...

Jeff owes several people just on here. Anyone know how much he's sitting on as a total? with everyones added up together..

If it's a few hundred, it hardly seems worth his while, if it's tens of thousands, I can see that..?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on January 10, 2021, 12:42:46 PM
About 800 for me, which I agree, probably isn't worth the effort on his part. Maybe a lot more for others. It's not the financial loss, it's losing items I'm pretty certain I'll never have the opportunity to own again. I'm sure we can all empathise with that.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: m154cath on January 10, 2021, 03:23:23 PM
I'm just shy of £700 out of pocket but, like Matt, these were posters I'd been after for a while & picked up at excellent prices & some were presents. Time & effort as well cash was spent in the process.
Regardless, it's £700! Certainly not to be sniffed at during these challenging economic times. I'm not loaded. No flash house, fast cars or holidays in Monaco on my yacht! I work hard to allow myself to indulge in collecting pieces of paper to the films I enjoy watching.
I don't really know what's going on with Jeff. You would like to think he wouldnt lie about his mother been ill? Maybe the posters are stuck in LA & with covid restrictions maybe travel b/n States is hard? Maybe he's lost his job? Mental breakdown perhaps? Who knows? I've had no contact from him for 9mths maybe more! I don't expect to either & with any hope of a Stateside White Knight fading faster than Trumps mental state that would appear to be me fucked!
At the beginning of this thread last year I said that Jeffgate would, hopefully, serve as a warning to other poster collectors & about the "dangers" of poster buddies. A friend reminded me afterwards that this has happened to me before by members of this forum, past & present. I must have "gullible twat" engraved on my forehead!!
Happy collecting!

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on January 10, 2021, 04:51:35 PM
Good post by m154cath.  Thoughtful. 

It's crazy to me that you guys put so much faith on Jeff.  There are amazing people on this forum, but Jeff was never one of them.  A few folks have been helping me over the years and they have been top notch.  Paul has been the ONLY poster buddy I've ever used, and that was years ago and he was the best.  Otherwise, I'm sorry to say, spend the money and have things sent to you directly.  Shit happens and we can't expect people to always fulfill their obligations.  Case in point.  Jeff is gone, and so are your posters.  I think it's time to move on.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Starling on January 10, 2021, 08:06:34 PM
Yeah I second the moving on part. Maybe you both could post the posters you lost on this thread and we could all keep an eye out for them? Would love to help you all put this behind you  :)
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on January 11, 2021, 06:32:12 AM
Hi Starling,

I appreciate the offer of help to find the missing gems, thank you.

To be honest I've already repurchased all of the items I could find again. Even if I posted images of the other final missing items I don't think anyone could help, but it's a kind offer!
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Mondo Hazardo on January 11, 2021, 10:32:28 AM
Wow, what a soap guys!
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on January 11, 2021, 12:30:07 PM
I get the feeling T is Right, and just count it as a lesson learned.  I know it's not my money, to say this, but sometimes it's not worth the stress.  If Jeff surfaces, yes he should face the music. Until then, put it in the past, and move on..
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: theartofmovieposters on January 15, 2021, 12:04:30 AM
Although I never liked the guy, this thread makes me sad.
Matt has been very helpful to me in the past so it is so disappointing this happened.
And I think this is the first time I have every "seen" Paul get mad!

I have and am holding posters here for collectors around the world as many guys here on this forum are doing for me...couldn't ever imagine doing this any one of them.
That said, anyone ever need a hand with anything out of Australia, I'll hook you up!
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: skyjackers on January 15, 2021, 11:43:39 AM
I can vouch for Ves. She's always been fantastic in helping out whenever needed.  notworthy.gif
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: paul waines on January 15, 2021, 12:50:00 PM
I wasn't Mad, Ves. Just discouraged... ;-)

Of the people l would do anything to help, Ves would be top of the pile.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on April 30, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
https://lasd.org/contact-us/

The more complaints they get , the more likely theyd have to look into this

Owed :

800 (dollars ?)
700£
7-800$ (my stuff)

Id say this is a serious crime

"For me this started in November 2018"

2.5 yrs , more than enough time to ship our stuff back - corona or not , face it he has stolen our stuff
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 17, 2021, 12:07:18 PM
https://www.p3tips.com/tipform.aspx?ID=365

Tell them what Potokar has done and tell them to notify LAPD Pacific

lapdalarmsection@lapd.lacity.org
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 18, 2021, 03:05:30 AM
800 (dollars ?)
700£
7-800$ (my stuff)

while "a lot of money' is a relative term, it is ridiculously foolish to actually believe the L.A. police are going to follow up anything, beyond making a phone call or talking to Jeff if he were to walk into a precinct and say "Hi. I'm Jeff"

moreover, the fact that you and others voluntarily sent these posters to Jeff without any contractual agreement to do anything, doesn't give you very much power to do anything. If any individual had a verifiable loss of $5000 or more, they might get involved.

it also looks to me like the costs to the taxpayers would be greater than the reported losses here and while it is certainly aggravating, at some point smart people, like skyjackers for instance, just shine it on. I'll bet his stomach doesn't get upset over it, and he probably likes it that way. But, he is a smart people.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 18, 2021, 10:24:04 AM
Text 8772755273

sendsmsnow.com , its free
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 18, 2021, 12:30:29 PM
They are online now on email

contact.lapdonline@gmail.com
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 18, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
you know, over the course of time I have been screwed by a small number of people. people who stole money, or people who never sent my stuff, or a business partner who screwed me over.

I have never seen the purpose of shouting it to the world. I was screwed, probably can't get unscrewed, I generally just moved on & went on with my life.

I may have mentioned to my pal Sean how my former best friend (whom he knows well) screwed me for 50-100k in art, how a famous rocker (no not Kirk, he wouldn't screw anyone, ever) never paid me for a Jack Kirby X-men cover, or how another decades long friend attempted to rip me off for a stack of art. Not once did I ever post publicly about these issues, told random people, or even told hardly any of my friends..

Why? Because in general, it's nobody's business, it's no longer important and for certain, it is likely impossible to undo what has been done and get my money or my art back. I don't find any catharsis in airing smelly and stinky laundry, and I don't like taking antacids to calm my stomach.

Tang, you've had your festivus moment. You have aired your grievances and clearly, no one here really gives a flying fuck, especially after 3 years.
Just cut it out. If Jeff ever comes back, maybe he will take care of it, maybe not. Too bad.

by the way.. just pay Paul. make an estimate of costs in your mind, add $25 for being a schmuck & clean your own rep
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on August 18, 2021, 05:38:47 PM
Very well said, Rich, all of it.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 18, 2021, 05:50:57 PM
Very well said, Rich, all of it.

T

 sm1
thanks
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 18, 2021, 11:11:14 PM
First of all : i have paid him back , another member Harry Caul forwarded it to him

Second : dont tell me what to feel

"I have never seen the purpose of shouting it to the world. I was screwed, probably can't get unscrewed, I generally just moved on & went on with my life"

Gee , those poor autograph forgers , they didnt mean to scam me , lets all cuddle and give them a big hug , after all people deserved it since they were naive , millions of $ each yr : "The authenticators (Beckett etc) has it in for me , im legit" (quote scumbag Piece of Past.....more like Piece of S**t)

 *sarcasm*

"it's nobody's business, it's no longer important and for certain, it is likely impossible"

You can certainly warn others , you can bet your sweet ass i warn about for example autograph forgers and it is important to me , nothing is really impossible , nobody believed Bruce Lee would be a big star like McQueen but it happened
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bts2tLrP/Screenshot-2021-07-23-05-13-27-550-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Bts2tLrP)

(PoP also sold dubious autographs for 20+ yrs , he and Todd Mueller both bad rep re : autographs)

Ive a new middle man in CO now , hes paid decent fees for helping me out
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: BwanaDik on August 19, 2021, 03:46:00 AM
Said the guy who never sent the poster I paid for... and argued with me with funny excuses... and blocked me from a movie poster group on FB as soon as he was promoted admin girly2.gif
If you don't talk, I guess you have plenty of reasons as a seller.  We appreciate your opinion but after reading you, I suggest you just don't talk all :)   I can see you found your carthasis in your paralipsis, ahaha. Your logical fallacy and tongue-in-cheek approachs amaze me.  So he is the tone of your post here (talking about "festivus moment", "flying fuck", "cut it out", "being a schmuck") and your passive-agressive armchair psychology.  You are right about the moving on and nobody giving a flying fuck, even more right underlining that we may be naive clients trusting unscrupulous "friendly" sellers, that humdrum defence and asking people to pay up for being a schmuck sounds very familiar to me.  I was naive but refused to repay shipping for a missing item, I am not that too naive nor a schmuck. The content of you post comforts mee that you are not the best dealer to deal with and not even worth engaging. Watch out for your passive-agressive and fallacious paraleipses here; if you are fine moving on, then why would you argue with a client for 30$ or reply here with almost-like insults; it sounds like a disorganised unreasonable poor salesman.  Mate, you have thousands of cheap posters to organise, you better save your energy for this; every dollar is a dollar, the hard work of selling cheap posters.  I agree with you, just cut it out as you say... because every time you shall unreasonably open it, I shall remind you of your prejudicial attitude, all highlighted here.  Todays' keywords is called introspection and attitude-change, or shut it up, both concern rep.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: 50s on August 19, 2021, 09:38:23 AM
If some of these posts were posters, I'd say even EMP would reduce their grading down to a new 'shit' grade category. The posts above might look like a stained, torn, Mexican lobby card repro that was eaten then shat out, then eaten again and shat out again. (Borrowing the analogy from a comment from Rich some years back, hehe)
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: ealingmovieposters on August 19, 2021, 12:51:42 PM
Steve,

I was just thinking how many people, like me, regularly use the search filter Condition (Least to Best) to look for some affordable classics. I like the idea of a 'shit' or 'totally shit' category as there are posters that have been placed under carpets, have nail holes in them and about 2/3 of the poster isn't there and what is there is faded - I think 'poor' doesn't quite describe them and is too broad a term, but the term 'shit' is universal and easily understood. Something auction houses should consider although we will hear Bruce et. el stating, in large font - Our shit is better than our competitors -  :)

Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: jedgerley on August 19, 2021, 10:32:52 PM
I like the idea of a 'shit' or 'totally shit' category

Coming soon to an online auction house.  :D
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on August 20, 2021, 07:14:11 AM
https://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: 110x75 on August 23, 2021, 10:13:36 AM
Steve,

I was just thinking how many people, like me, regularly use the search filter Condition (Least to Best) to look for some affordable classics. I like the idea of a 'shit' or 'totally shit' category as there are posters that have been placed under carpets, have nail holes in them and about 2/3 of the poster isn't there and what is there is faded - I think 'poor' doesn't quite describe them and is too broad a term, but the term 'shit' is universal and easily understood. Something auction houses should consider although we will hear Bruce et. el stating, in large font - Our shit is better than our competitors -  :)

I have a poster that was pissed by a cat. Stinks like hell. Not my cat (I am more a dog person) A friend was holding the poster for me, and then it happened. Damned feline.
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 24, 2021, 04:17:47 PM
Said the guy who never sent the poster I paid for... and argued with me with funny excuses... and blocked me from a movie poster group on FB as soon as he was promoted admin girly2.gif
If you don't talk, I guess you have plenty of reasons as a seller.  We appreciate your opinion but after reading you, I suggest you just don't talk all :)   I can see you found your carthasis in your paralipsis, ahaha. Your logical fallacy and tongue-in-cheek approachs amaze me.  So he is the tone of your post here (talking about "festivus moment", "flying fuck", "cut it out", "being a schmuck") and your passive-agressive armchair psychology.  You are right about the moving on and nobody giving a flying fuck, even more right underlining that we may be naive clients trusting unscrupulous "friendly" sellers, that humdrum defence and asking people to pay up for being a schmuck sounds very familiar to me.  I was naive but refused to repay shipping for a missing item, I am not that too naive nor a schmuck. The content of you post comforts mee that you are not the best dealer to deal with and not even worth engaging. Watch out for your passive-agressive and fallacious paraleipses here; if you are fine moving on, then why would you argue with a client for 30$ or reply here with almost-like insults; it sounds like a disorganised unreasonable poor salesman.  Mate, you have thousands of cheap posters to organise, you better save your energy for this; every dollar is a dollar, the hard work of selling cheap posters.  I agree with you, just cut it out as you say... because every time you shall unreasonably open it, I shall remind you of your prejudicial attitude, all highlighted here.  Todays' keywords is called introspection and attitude-change, or shut it up, both concern rep.

you know if you're going to continue to be an asshole and talk shit, you shouldn't post shit that anyone can show you as an asshole and a liar

here's your deal, you bought some stuff in 2017. You didn't pay shipping and it went up onto the hold shelf, where you knew it was going, so you could merge with future purchases. You made no further purchases.

(http://www.movieposterbid.com/apf/lieven_002.jpg)

a year later, you send me an email asking about your stuff and sending me a long list of items. I go looking at the hold shelf and can only find 6 lobby cards from the purchase made. I spent an hour looking all over the shelves, the warehouse. There's no other posters. I get back to you and you have no answers, so I wind up having to go into the warehouse, get up on top of the 12 foot pallet racks and find an old computer in storage that has all the old emails from before that day, get it down, hook it up to a monitor, a keyboard, a mouse and I spent an hour or two looking through old emails trying to figure out what's going on. I find that everything other than these 6 lobby cards were shipped in 2017. When I explained that to you, you said (sic) "Oh yes. I do have those posters. I'm sorry. I'm only looking for the lobby cards" and I say "okay.. send shipping"

no shipping is ever sent. the items go back up on the hold shelf

then again, after another year, you send me an email asking again, with the same false list. (see image below)

(http://www.movieposterbid.com/apf/lieven_001.jpg)

seeing as it's a year again passed, I have to go through the same process again.
I ask you for a list of what you're looking for.
you say "don't you remember?" as if I'm supposed to remember offhand every transaction I have ever made. I explain the world doesn't work that way, send me the list.
you send me an email asking again, with the same false list.
Look for these items. Items not found. Spend another hour looking. Get up on the racks, get the computer, hook it up, spend an hour or two searching through and reading emails, only to wind up in the same spot:
"Oh yes. I do have those posters. I'm sorry. I'm only looking for the lobby cards" and I say "okay.. send shipping"

no shipping is ever sent. the items go back up on the hold shelf

meanwhile, I have spent countless hours doing this and this time I print out the sheet, circle the stuff you already received so I don't have to go looking again.

one more year passes and you write again. Again looking for the same stuff with the same list. I explain you've sent the wrong list. Send shipping.

once more, no shipping is sent.

a few more months pass, you message me on facebook.. "send a refund"
I explain "there is no refund for held items. you pay shipping and the items will be sent, but again, you are only looking for the lobby cards right?"

you don't answer, you go off on a screed. we went back & forth for 10-15 minutes, without you ever answering a simple question. Then you threaten me  you're going to post shit to groups and to facebook and I told you to fuck off, which is exactly what should be told to assholes who don't know what they are doing..... and your lobby cards remain on the hold shelf.

You block me on facebook and start your little asshole campaign.

One of the idiosyncrasies of facebook is that while you have me blocked, you can still stalk me. You go to my posts in groups and post stupid comments in groups where we are both members. I can't delete you, but of course, other moderators can.

so Jason posts that I have become a moderator in a group and you post shit on that thread. I can't delete that post, but other moderators can.
then you add another post.. and a moderator deletes that.
then you add another posts and clearly, your posts are against the rules, a moderator removes your post and bans you from the group, because stupid fucks like you are not allowed, especially when you are breaking the rules of the group and especially when you are talking shit.
You got what you deserved there asshole.

so now here we are, and you are still talking shit, largely because you are just too fucking ignorant to send shipping money for your posters, which are still here, on top of a hold shelf, waiting for postage to be paid.

well...... this is going to be the end of your assholery.

this post is 1:15 pm PST August 24th

because you have turned yourself in a total asshole, just being stupid, I am giving you a deadline...

you have 48 hours until Thursday August 26th at 1:10pm to get your payment for shipping to me.

that's $32.00 to my paypal email sales@comic-art.com for shipment to Kenya

I will only ship these cards to you direct. I will not ship them to any third party.

I will not wait one second passed your deadline noted above. If your payment comes in at 1:10:01pm. It's too late. The deadline is solid, just like that rock you call a head. If your payment comes in one second late, I will be refunding it to you, minus paypal fees which they do not refund.

after 1:10pm on 8/26, I will consider these cards to be 'abandoned property' and I will put them into other orders waiting to be shipped for free to the buyers and then that will be that, and you will be completely fucked off. They've been taking up space in my warehouse almost 5 years, without any charge, and that practice is ending, this week.

so send that money. the clock is ticking
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on August 24, 2021, 06:04:54 PM
Two things strike me.

1) Why is an old computer on a top shelf and how old is it exactly?  Wouldn't it be better to update your new system with the old information so you don't have to go to storage twice?  Why did you have to do the same search twice btw?  Seems very antiquated.
2) Do you really keep stuff on hold for years and years?  Shit, don't forget to send me that poster I bought in 2014.  I really want it.

Otherwise, yes, you seem to have a point.

Thanks,

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: Crazy Vick on August 24, 2021, 07:48:28 PM
32 bucks from Vegas to Kenya?

Hey guys is there anyone in Africa willing to receive and re-route my emovie orders... i'm in Canada.   ;D
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 24, 2021, 08:30:23 PM
Two things strike me.

1) Why is an old computer on a top shelf and how old is it exactly?  Wouldn't it be better to update your new system with the old information so you don't have to go to storage twice?  Why did you have to do the same search twice btw?  Seems very antiquated.
2) Do you really keep stuff on hold for years and years?  Shit, don't forget to send me that poster I bought in 2014.  I really want it.

Otherwise, yes, you seem to have a point.

Thanks,

T

answer to #1 - I ran an image archive for a few years and I have something like 80 old hard drives that have terrabytes of data.
also I have every website iteration I ever made, digital products I used to sell (I sold public domain comic books that I scanned from the original comics for about 10 years. I sold over 25,000 discs. Piracy killed that game). I have every email that I ever sent or received etc. In order to use some of these drives, you need a windows 95 computer. So I have a row of old computers from windows 95 sets forward that can be used to retrieve old data.
This is entirely a business issue, or there would be no need for them

as to the emails portion.. well, there is no real need for me to access them in general so I don't need to keep them on a modern computer. At the same time, the old email and the new email are different softwares and they don't really like to communicate and import stuff so well..

why I had to do the same search was explained.. I really don't remember everything about 10's of thousands of orders & conversations, no matter what some jackass customer may think.

#2 I actually do indeed have old orders on hold, waiting for people to pay shipping. Sometimes people are overseas for a long time, like a guy who spent $10k in my auctions 2012-2014 that 70% of remained here until only a few months ago, when he asked me to pack everything up.

most of these orders are low value $5 to $20 and on occasion I sent a group email to people that I would like to ship them, and 1 or 2 people respond. These orders are paid for and I agreed to hold it. They are stored on top of shelves 10 feet up where I don't other wise store stuff.
However, I am tight on space, and when I have time to give it again, I'm going to send out emails to people that this stuff needs to go or be considered abandoned. Until I do that, it stays where it is. and PS: I can see all the hold orders from here.. got nothing on hold for you, you putz  :P

#3 yes, I totally have a point. if you give me wrong lists when you want me to find stuff and that takes a while because I'm busy (yeah folks, it sounds like it's all over night, but it ain't) and when you have shit in that list you've already gotten and have me running around for it, and when you include stupid lines like "no idea what I won on this invoice", I'm really not sure what kind of service you expect. You're just being stupid. send shipping
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 24, 2021, 08:31:06 PM
32 bucks from Vegas to Kenya?

Hey guys is there anyone in Africa willing to receive and re-route my emovie orders... i'm in Canada.   ;D

what does he charge to Canada?
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: CSM on August 24, 2021, 08:32:35 PM
32 bucks from Vegas to Kenya?

Hey guys is there anyone in Africa willing to receive and re-route my emovie orders... i'm in Canada.   ;D

Hahaha!  notworthy.gif
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 24, 2021, 08:56:36 PM
Thierry, there was another buyer who won loads of $1-2-3-4 auction years ago. I can't recall his name. 5 years after he received his last package from me, he complained that he didn't get a bunch of items he should have in his collection, and so I must not have sent them, or he didn't receive his packages

well, after a few months, I can't track any orders, but I did see what the tracking number was (yes.. I checked paypal shipping emails and found the info. This is why I have this stuff!) and no there was no more data to find.  So I took the time to recreate a similar group of various wins from one sheets, lobby cards, french posters etc and made a package and weighed it, and it was the same 7 lbs weight as the last package that I had sent him. But he refused to believe anything, obviously I was trying to rip off his $18 even though he got all the other posters, which were titles intermingled with these titles in different auctions, and he went along his merry way. Shame, because he was otherwise a really nice guy.


there are people who asked me to ship, but need a quote. I'd pack them up and give them the amount & they would never respond. so their packaged posters are sitting up top there (does anyone here know Neil Adamsen in the UK?)

I get tired of messaging them after a few months, and they are lucky I have space where these things can be out of sight
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on August 24, 2021, 09:35:13 PM
OMG, this is the exact reason why I will never sell any of my crap.  I refuse to deal with assholes.

Also, you should really put a time limit on how long you're willing to hold packages.  Like a year max.  If something hasn't been paid entirely by then, the posters go back for sale, regardless of what the buyer has already paid, no money refunded.  Call it a storage fee.

Kudos to you for even looking, and twice.  That's way more than I would have done.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 24, 2021, 10:09:57 PM
anyway....... Bwanalittledick.... the clock is ticking for you. don't wait
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: BwanaDik on August 25, 2021, 03:45:36 AM
Yeah, the clock is ticking, I was so scared by your post that I woke up at night to proceed with payment but I missed the deadline by 2 seconds, damn!  Since you are the one setting the rules and giving orders here, I wish you could reopen the grace period to 26 August, 10:22:01pm.  Ahaha! 
https://gfycat.com/harshultimateantlion

There is always two sides of a story.

Rich, we hear you, you are the best organised person ever, and I am the one who refused to pay shipping and I had no idea what I bought...  Actually, I am the one who sent you emails to say you forgot to include some items in my combine package; you confirmed that you indeed left some in the shelf (well, I didn't blame you for shipping half of the items because I was OK bidding for more items). You even confirmed that you found the unshipped items and will provide shipping invoice; but you never did so. When I enquired again, you played the disorganised card saying you lost data at system change and have no records... to finally reply there is nothing in the shelf aside one Superman LC. You kept asking for details on chat and when I replied that everything are in my emails, fully detailed, and must do your homework, you confirm that there is nothing aside one LC and I must pay 33 USD shipping.  And yet, you confirmed weeks earlier there are several LCs on the shelves and will give a shipping invoice.  But then, months after, you lost track of them, lost track of my payment records, etc. 

But still, you write here "when you include stupid lines like "no idea what I won on this invoice", I'm really not sure what kind of service you expect. You're just being stupid. send shipping".  Ahahaha! You are the one sounding stupid here, providing fake arguments and proving how good you are.  I just think you are disorganised, cheap and stubborn, reason why you don't want to find any agreement, you just want money.

Mr Brie, asshole, really?  Are you underlining I am an asshole here?  If you are any particular interest in this little story to emit any judgment and insult; then why don't you do full diligence and get all sides of the story?  Not kudos to you for not even looking, not even once.  That's way less than I would have done.  OMG this is the exact reason I shouldn't share my boring story on private clergical-like forum, I refuse to deal with one-sided assholes.  I agree, I know you will never your crap, you call it crap but we know you only purchase pristine posters and you have no intention of reselling them, not even giving them to your kids, you will burn them all.  Not fair calling your collection crap, you are downsizing your collection to please Rich with his 1usd posters, ahahah! 

At the end of it, I really don't care about the LCs and even less about the 30 USD... I made my own opinion of Richard and his posts comfort me in my opinion.  I don't like bullshit and seeing MPB commenting and calling this guy a schmuck and stupid because he wants his money back due to unscrupulous seller is pretty ironic and 100% bullshit.  Rich, you are a paralipsis master. Watch out before you comment giving lessons to people, and orders like "pay now" or "cut it out". Calling him a schmuck and ordering him to cut it out or be an asshole!!  Well, apply it to yourself, cut it out!   But instead, you are charging like a bull, you are getting fooled here Rich, all what you say may be detrimental to you :) Be smart, cut it out!  Hard to change an old fool.  Talking about old, I recall you talking here about how you are submerged and overwhelmed with shitty posters all over the place, then you talked about stopping, then you are back, then not, then yes, then let me give lessons to this guy and insult him on a forum. Why not stopping for good, buy a sea-front villa in a tropical beach somewhere and enjoy your pension, just like I did, a great way to relax?    Keep the lobby card, keep the money, keep your good reputation, keep calm, it is on me bro!  Stay safe!

As for calling me "Bwanalittledick", too bad you got it wrong.  It should be "BwanaHugeDick", you are an old peep, you should be familiar with Zappa,  just check the lyrics of the song "Bwana Dik" - "My dick is a dagger, I'll force it to fit, My dick is a reamer, baby, To scream up your slit, Steam it!, Ream it!, Cream it!" -  Yeah, buddy, my dick is a monster, get the cream my little dickie, ahaha! "I know you will be surprised" Mr Brown.

The clock is ticking for all of us Rich, I will watch the obituary... meanwhile, stay safe!
I am gone for good. I have to sea stars to reproduce, life is a shit!

********

MBP wrote "I was confused looking for this material as the only things on the hold shelf are
Invoice 0114 - 30 USD - PAID on 31 January 2017 02:05:28 PST - Transaction ID: 3KN94241987324709
ANGRY RED PLANET 1960 LC $5. 00
ANIMAL WORLD 1956 LC $5. 00
BLACK ZOO 1963 LCs (3) $5. 00
DESERT SHEIK 1924 LC $5. 00
KING OF JUNGLELAND 1949 LCs (4) $5. 00
SUPERMAN II 1981 LC $5. 00
so I did some searching and found that a package was shipped to you on 4/20/2017 with the other material. I'll get the material here packaged & send you a shipping amount
thanks"

ME - "Yeah, indeed I got the other ones but not these LCs.
Happy to hear they are still there with you. Please let me know shipping whenever you can."

RICH - "these will get packaged up & I'll drop you a shipping amount"

*******************

ME - You also said on 1st Nov. "I was confused looking for this material as the only things on the hold shelf are [list I provided] so I did some searching and found that a package was shipped to you on 4/20/2017 with the other material."
Richard Halegua


RICH - so then all that's left are the superman lobby cards is correct? the stuff is all before 2017.. that's why there are no orders in teh current site.. lost data


ME - Ahahaha, you are funny, not at all. OK, do you homework and get back to me ASAP.  The fact you never replied to chat nor my latest emails sound too suspiscious, and playing the ignorant card, hmmm, not cool bro

RICH - but it's correct then that all there is left are these superman cards I saw? is there supposed to still be merch here aside from teh superman card?

ME - No, we can't find consensus, I let you do your homework as for me I shall sh are this story for guidance. Good luck

RICH - Check your email, check the chat, Good night. Share it with everyone you wish. stop threatening me. if I ask you a direct question, you can just answer it.. are the superman lobby cards all that is left, or not.. It';s a simple yes ior no. how far back does this material go? 4 years? 5? 6? you see if yuo don't answer, you're at the mercy of my being able to go back through emails on 2 or even 3 computers. Because we upgrade, and old programs don't move over. If you want faster answer.. just answer teh damn questions

ME - I am not threatening you, I am kindly requesting you to rreimburse me 30 usd

RICH -  if all you're waiting for is superman, I looked at that yesterday. I need to research the note, If you want to save me time digging back into teh data, just answer teh question

ME - You have the information, you need, you are either ignorant, overwhelmed or just bad in records keeping.  You were also impolite in ingnoring my messages.

RICH - let me kindly ask you then, what do I refund $30 for. what posters how about that. answer that question

ME - I am waiting for more than one LCs and the alll list was sent to you and you even akcnolewdged it

RICH - okay.. if yu say you are waiting for those posters on that note, I have to research it. I'm not giving you $30 for the superman cards you didn't pay $30 for

ME - Ahahaha. Youa re funny guy

RICH - if all I have are teh superman cards, then that's all you deserve Txxxxxx..

ME - I can be funny too. Please ship the superman card at your own cost. Thanks
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Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: eatbrie on August 25, 2021, 05:03:15 AM
Mr Brie, asshole, really?  Are you underlining I am an asshole here?

Why don't you wait for an answer bf making your own conclusion.  I don't know if you're an asshole or not.  I was answering Rich's previous post by saying that if I was a seller I would never deal with non-payers (aka assholes) and this is part of the reason why I am not interested in ever selling (life is too short).  Frankly, I don't know you and I don't really care either way.  But if you are one of those people, yes, you are an asshole, and if you're not, then you're not.

T
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 25, 2021, 02:35:45 PM
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Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 26, 2021, 04:40:59 AM

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Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 26, 2021, 05:48:25 PM
hey folks. seeing as Fuko has decided to abandon these 6 lobby cards, I just want to let you guys know that one each will be put into the next 6 orders of a folded/flat item from my website

ANGRY RED PLANET 1960 LC $5. 00
ANIMAL WORLD 1956 LC $5. 00
BLACK ZOO 1963 LCs (3) $5. 00
DESERT SHEIK 1924 LC $5. 00
KING OF JUNGLELAND 1949 LCs (4) $5. 00
SUPERMAN II 1981 LC $5. 00

and here's a little ditty

goodbye fuko
goodbye fuko
goodbye fuko
you can fuko yourself

 sm1
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: BwanaDik on September 06, 2021, 06:58:20 AM
Why don't you wait for an answer bf making your own conclusion.  I don't know if you're an asshole or not.  I was answering Rich's previous post by saying that if I was a seller I would never deal with non-payers (aka assholes) and this is part of the reason why I am not interested in ever selling (life is too short).  Frankly, I don't know you and I don't really care either way.  But if you are one of those people, yes, you are an asshole, and if you're not, then you're not.

T

You don't really care and were talking to Rich, ahahaha, sure.  Got this :)    I am not a non-payer, I paid but goods never shipped and this seller had no idea what I bought, when and where the goods are.   Life is too short for selling cheap posters.  I don't know you neither, so I don't care much neither.  This said, you are prompt to malke you comment and on conclusion, I shall tell you the same, why don't you wait for an answer before making your own conclusion, that I am a non-payer., because whatever you said, your friend Rich messed it up and can't even recognoise, instead he went into an argument with me.... funny to see that weeks later he is posting here to say that people should move on, ahaha.   But then Rich is the cool guy, the fact he lies, insults... it is all OK and cool, ahaha
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: BwanaDik on September 06, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
Assholes, fuck me.... You like to insult people Rich.
I don't care about your little life and your fucking LCs, you are getting too old?   

I can see you never stop, isn't it?  If it does bring satisfaction in life, please go ahead, insult me.
I told you, I will watch the orbituary... as for fucking me, please come over and fuck me up Rich, I like it deep... that is if you can still raise it up.

For those, winnning the card, enjoy, it's on me, not on Rich.

Go on, insult me... and while you are at it, give my name and nickname publicly as you did.  You are really a piece a shit, isn't.  Telling people to move on while you can't even apply it to yourself. 
   
Go on, insult me...
Title: Re: "Jeffgate": A Story of Woah
Post by: kovacs01 on September 06, 2021, 09:46:14 PM
In my opinion (shared by many others doubtlessly), you both look like clowns for having it out publicly over $30 worth of lobby cards.  Big shoes, red noses, striped socks, small tricycle, the works.  At least you both have a bright future in the circus or makng balloon animals at the mall.  The disadvantage of course, for many clowns, is that it becomes difficult for others to take them seriously.