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Common Poster Subjects => Authentication => Topic started by: Desk on March 28, 2019, 07:16:56 AM
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Hi,
I've been looking at Raiders 81 posters, and have come across something to which I haven't been able to find an answer.
There are images on the net of what are purported to be genuine original posters, but they have different configurations between the GAU logo and 'Litho in USA' and the 'Property of National Screen Service Corporation Licensed...' text.
(https://i.imgur.com/bstzHK6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rj5GpNh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yscTD1z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wClinSk.jpg)
As I say, I've searched on the net and can't find a reference to this variation, so can anyone possibly tell me if both of these are genuine?
Best,
Desk
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Do you know the exact dimensions? I would start there if not.
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I would submit, both will be genuine.
In making a copy, the 'copy' will be a copy. One wouldn't copy the majority but then shoot themselves in the foot by frigging around some text juxtaposition.
I have enough Bond related material that manifests similar changes and, in person, all items are genuine. To wit, there are about four different Diamonds are Forever 1 sheets with a variety of printers' bugs and studio logos all changing position.
I also have two From Russia with Love UK Pressbooks that, probably due to their being printed by two different printing houses, exemplify slight visual difference.
My stance would be, buy the posters and report back. But I think you will be fine.
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Both are legit. Just different placement of the NSS "paragraph" is all, depending on where it was printed.
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NSS version & studio version if authentic theatrical.
there is also a fan club poster
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Many thanks for all the information.
I bought a Raiders poster, 27" x 41", with an NSS code, logos, etc. Will look to post a picture.
One thing I've noticed is that pictures online of the 81 Raiders poster appear to suggest variety in the colouring. Sometimes it appears quite dark brown and earthy, and at other times quite orangey.
I don't know if there actually are differences in the flesh, perhaps due to different printers and print runs (as Jeff notes there would have been), or if the apparent variation is just down to the way the picture was taken, the lighting at the time, etc.
Anyway, I'm very excited to own an '81 Raiders (I can remember my grandmother having to take me to see it when it came out). I've been looking online for any discussions about the merits of the '81 poster versus the one Amsel produced for the '82 rerelease. For my money, the '82 poster is very cool, and iconic, but is more leightweight and comic booky. The '81 poster to me better evokes the mood of the film, its pulpy origins, and the feeling of being something 'from the past'.
Desk
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Those are just different printings from different print unions, both legit.
The main one to look out for is the version from the Zig Zag set, which is marked.
The Australian one sheet tends to be higher color saturation on these too btw.
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Well, that didn't last long.
I'd snagged a great deal with this poster as the only bidder in an auction. However, a few days passed and it still hadn't been shipped. The seller sent an apology and said he's get it mailed.
However, my fears were confirmed when I then got a notification through that the seller had requested to cancel the sale and was refunding me my money.
I've been in touch with the seller, who has cited personal reasons.
So, sadly, I'm going to have to continue hunting for an 81 rolled Raiders poster, which kinda sucks.
Desk
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Well, that didn't last long.
I'd snagged a great deal with this poster as the only bidder in an auction. However, a few days passed and it still hadn't been shipped. The seller sent an apology and said he's get it mailed.
However, my fears were confirmed when I then got a notification through that the seller had requested to cancel the sale and was refunding me my money.
I've been in touch with the seller, who has cited personal reasons.
So, sadly, I'm going to have to continue hunting for an 81 rolled Raiders poster, which kinda sucks.
Desk
what's the link to the listing
and I'd leave NEG feedback for sure
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what's the link to the listing
and I'd leave NEG feedback for sure
Can a buyer leave negs if a seller cancels a sale? I remember the same thing happening to me a couple years ago on a poster that I really wanted and got for so cheap that the seller canceled the sale. What pissed me off most is that I couldn't leave negs because the item had disappeared.
T
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Can a buyer leave negs if a seller cancels a sale? I remember the same thing happening to me a couple years ago on a poster that I really wanted and got for so cheap that the seller canceled the sale. What pissed me off most is that I couldn't leave negs because the item had disappeared.
T
I don't really know. I've never had this situation come up, but you can be sure if I did, I would be posting loud & clear everything about the listing and the seller, so other people know what to expect from said asshole
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The listing appears to still show up for me...
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264252981229
However, as T says, I'd looked into the situation and it appears that, depending on the reason given by the seller to cancel the sale, no negative feedback can be left. Simply looking to cancel because the item is 'out of stock' will be accepted by eBay, and the only penalty to the seller is having to pay full listing fees.
Desk
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Sometimes with prized finds like this, I do a couple of things.
Pop a bid in, irrespective of the later snipe.
Get in touch with the seller saying that if he is likely to get and consider off-eBay offers, to bear me in mind for negotiation.
Yes, I am leaving myself open to being shaken down but sometimes, you gotta do...
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In subsequent contact when I enquired why he was pulling the sale the seller did raise the idea of giving me a call.
I don’t know if this was the start of a plan to renegotiate the price, but eBay strictly prohibits communications outside of their channels for this very reason, and monitors these conversations. I certainly wasn’t going to risk my eBay account (God forbid), so I ended it there..
Desk
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In subsequent contact when I enquired why he was pulling the sale the seller did raise the idea of giving me a call.
I don’t know if this was the start of a plan to renegotiate the price, but eBay strictly prohibits communications outside of their channels for this very reason, and monitors these conversations. I certainly wasn’t going to risk my eBay account (God forbid), so I ended it there..
Desk
phone call for what? To ask for more money than you were supposed to pay?
screw him.
btw, looking at the photos, I don't think that poster is authentic anyway. You may have dodged a bullet
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Well, that didn't last long.
I'd snagged a great deal with this poster as the only bidder in an auction. However, a few days passed and it still hadn't been shipped. The seller sent an apology and said he's get it mailed.
However, my fears were confirmed when I then got a notification through that the seller had requested to cancel the sale and was refunding me my money.
I've been in touch with the seller, who has cited personal reasons.
So, sadly, I'm going to have to continue hunting for an 81 rolled Raiders poster, which kinda sucks.
Desk
Well, I guess the seller got over his personal reasons for cancelling the sale of this Raiders poster - as he's now selling it again on eBay at a much higher price than I bought it for.....
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F283679321163
Desk
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What do you think you will do?
What do these posters generally go for in this condition etc.?
Personal feelings towards an unscrupulous seller vs the desire for the item...
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I know you're after a rolled one but I have a folded one that I can do for a decent price.
Best,
Marc
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The other day I noticed the seller Bradbury on Ebay has a rolled copy of this that has the NSS number and the GAU logo but not the paragraph under neath. I wonder if that's a reprint akin to the Star Wars hairy belt bootleg or not. Overall he's a good seller so I don't mean to bad mouth him. Just seriously curious what that could be.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JD5ctFZL/s-l1600.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JD5ctFZL)
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Do you mean bradburied - if so just search that name on this forum.
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Stay way from Bradburied!!!!!!
T
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The other day I noticed the seller Bradbury on Ebay has a rolled copy of this that has the NSS number and the GAU logo but not the paragraph under neath. I wonder if that's a reprint akin to the Star Wars hairy belt bootleg or not. Overall he's a good seller
Not really. He sells a constant deluge of fakes, one of the most misleading sellers operating today via ebay.
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Not really. He sells a constant deluge of fakes, one of the most misleading sellers operating today via ebay.
Does he really? I’ve bought a few posters from him over the years and as far as I know they were legitimate. Aside from the hairy belt Star Wars one are there other examples of fakes on his store?
Anyway that raiders one without the text blurb is bizarre as heck.
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Do you mean bradburied - if so just search that name on this forum.
Yes. My bad for the mispelling. I didn’t know he had a bad reputation in the community.
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Does he really? I’ve bought a few posters from him over the years and as far as I know they were legitimate. Aside from the hairy belt Star Wars one are there other examples of fakes on his store?
Anyway that raiders one without the text blurb is bizarre as heck.
Yes, he has produced and distributed countless fakes into the market. Can you provide pics and measurements of what you have bought from him?
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Yes, he has produced and distributed countless fakes into the market. Can you provide pics and measurements of what you have bought from him?
I think I have all six Drew Struzan double sided Star Wars posters (special editions and prequels) from him. All 27x40 and I’m pretty confident legitimate (I have a few spares from from other sellers but identical high print quality. I also have Indiana Jones and the temple of doom from him and it looks legitimate too (at 27x40, outstanding print quality etc). I’m sure I bought more but I’d have to check which.
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It had been a while but after checking in my archives turns out I bought a lot more than I had thought from him. So much so that I don't think I can list them all without spending serious time.
From what I can find looks like the most expensive purchases I bought were Empire, Return of the Jedi and the Raiders posters from '81 and '82 (all mint and rolled, and Raiders was complete with all the texts unlike the '81 he seems to be selling now). That had me worried so I immediately compared to my other copies since I have multiple of Raiders, and luckily they were identical (the ones from Bradburied were always mint mint, as if they'd just rolled off the factory so my older copies are easily spotted due to the creases and wear), and I see no difference even face up to the poster. They have the same printing (size, quality etc), even the GAU stamp is identical in every way, and the paper quality too (that thin type of poster paper that was used at the time).
I didn't keep any spares for Empire and Jedi so I can't compare anymore, but nothing stands out as wrong there either. They feel the same in terms of paper and print quality and size (41 inches for both). I think back in the day if they seemed suspicious I would have known before replacing the ones I had before.
I did find an extra Last Crusade which is my original all banged up and it matches up with the pristine one I got from Bradburied too. Looking back I think Bradburied was one of my 2 or 3 go to sellers I'd go to to upgrade my posters because it was very appealing to get posters that just came out so new without any creases or damage.
I also have The Thing. It looks legitimate too, same paper style, everything looks alright. Paper edges are not the so called minty white but sort of off white, again I don't see anything suspicious. It's another 41 inches one.
It looks as thought I also bought all the Killian posters from the 90's from him too. The only one I bought from someone else seems to be the It's a Wonderful Life one. Looking at it compared to the others I got from Bradburied I'd say nothing stands out as fishy there either.
Is there a list of fakes this guy sold other than the hairy belt poster? It's a shocking revelation to hear he's considered one of the bad guys in the trade. All those years ago I had no idea. He had perfect feedback and every purchase was working out so there was no reason to stay away.
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I would never buy big titles from bradburied. It’s like buying signatures. Not worth wondering whether you got the real deal or not, especially when those titles are so easily found elsewhere. What you did, comparing posters, seems like so much work to me, and really unnecessary if bought from a reliable source.
Obviously, he’s not going to sell fakes of lesser titles, so you’re safe there.
T