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Common Poster Subjects => Framing & Storage => Topic started by: bigmike on October 10, 2011, 08:58:07 AM
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Which frames do you guys get for your posters from HPF?
Economy, Premium, Archival, Deluxe??
All have UV plexi, is it worth the extra for the artcare board? Which frames do you get from them?
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I go with the economy frames. Never had any problems.
Conor
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Perfect, thats what I was thinking.
I was looking at the price difference, I didn't notice the only difference was pretty much the artcare backing.
So far I am now thinking Economy too for now, was thinking archival at first.
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I also have never had a problem with the economy. I have bought over twenty economy frames but I have paid extra on all but the first two to get the non glare plexi. I like them better that way but I dont know if its worth it to everyone.
I also have a few with the better foam core that I got for the older posters.
You can always upgrade the plexi or the backing later if you want.
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Zorba, when you say older, what age is older?
For example, I am just framing some 1980's and newer posters, thats why I can't decide on which frames to get?
I am thinking economy is the way to go for me for now? not sure?
You have any pictures with the economy frames?
Thanks, Mike
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I am currently working on my basement where I will displaying most of my posters. I snapped a few shots, all frames pictured are from HPF and are economy frames. I tend to collect 80's era stuff as well. I can tell you that I had a ROTLD one sheet in a cardboard backed generic frame for almost 10 years and did not have any issues with rotting or deterioration. Humidity is something to REALLY watch though. I have a dehumidifier running 24/7 in my basement.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6227/6230185261_0de79e8ee9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63400243@N03/6230185261/)
IMG_4206 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63400243@N03/6230185261/) by CJHORROR (http://www.flickr.com/people/63400243@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6097/6230704138_f1c821a3c3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63400243@N03/6230704138/)
IMG_4207 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63400243@N03/6230704138/) by CJHORROR (http://www.flickr.com/people/63400243@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6095/6230185053_f73a80e9f4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63400243@N03/6230185053/)
IMG_4204 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63400243@N03/6230185053/) by CJHORROR (http://www.flickr.com/people/63400243@N03/), on Flickr
P.S. I will be posting better pics once everything is complete
Conor
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That's awesome!
Thanks for sharing the photos!
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Zorba, when you say older, what age is older?
For example, I am just framing some 1980's and newer posters, thats why I can't decide on which frames to get?
I am thinking economy is the way to go for me for now? not sure?
You have any pictures with the economy frames?
I meant older is as in the paper used. Some early seventies and everything before. I really dont think modern posters need the acid free board at least not for many years.
I rotate most of my posters every few months so the backing is even less important.
I was going to post more pics but thankfully CJ beat me to it. Here is what used to be My Bond Wall last year. All economy and four different sizes. The YOLT and The RR Dr NO B2 have the better backing.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ut6i1Zca4Y8/TLi_n77p1OI/AAAAAAAABwA/HvpyYF3CEMQ/s1280/P8140044.JPG)
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Looking Good CJ. Its going to be pretty cool when you have them all up on the walls.
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Thanks Zorba! It is a labor of love!
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Awesome selection of framed posters, Conor.
Can't wait to see them hung on the walls.
cool1
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Awesome basement, CJ. Are you gonna go with one row or 2 rows of frames on each wall?
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Thanks Neo! Not sure about doubling up. I am currently debating that one. I have a French one panel to frame and a few subways, so the layout is gonna take a little planning.
Thanks again!
Conor
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Your set up is looking great, Conor. Something about several displayed posters that is awe inspiring. Totally diverse collection you have that adds to the coolness. Please start a thread in in the collection thread. Mine is still a work in progress, but I like seeing the pics as I go along.
Brian
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I hear ya, CJ. That may be one of the most difficult decisions you'll ever have to make. :D Personally, I am partial to the single row of one sheets, as double row is a little bit of "awesome overload", and because it's more like the way I've always seen them outside theaters, but then again when one has so much paper that is deserving of being displayed, double row is good in that sense. The space itself also dictates what goes where, of course, as I have a few walls where an insert frame is the only size that fits, or another where a 40x60 frame fits perfectly. For my one subway poster, I put it in an area that is in the farthest corner from viewing, as it's the largest in my humble collection displayed. Sometimes it's impossible to know how they'll look until they're displayed (at least in my case), and then they can be rearranged to perfection. Good luck.
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What backing is in the economy frame versus the artcare board?
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What backing is in the economy frame versus the artcare board?
Its Ph balanced instead of alkaline treated .. aka .. Economy has the "acid free" foam core you can buy at any hobby/frame shop .. While the alkaline treated is on the base side of the Ph scale and can absorb acids that may be present in the paper helping to keep the paper from deteriorating from acid damage.
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So fallen,
I should still be good with the economy frames then?
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Thats what I go with .. It would have to be an old/valuable poster before Id worry about the acid in the paper I mean if you KNOW for a fact that you have a poster that will be worth thousands of dollars one day then by all means spend the extra $30 on artcare .. but unfortunately most of our posters will never fall into that category .. So acid free does the job with out causing more harm like card board or wood pulp products that are high in acids ..
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Okay, Not good for me.
$190 to ship 4 frames.
Next idea?...
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$50 for a frame is actually pretty good. You wont find anything with good plexi any cheaper.
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$50 for a frame is actually pretty good. You wont find anything with good plexi any cheaper.
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If you really want to spend less you can probably get metal tension frames cut to size from eBay. Then cut your own backing and plexi. However, if you keep track of your time and effort I'm sure its still cheaper to go with HPF.
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Total Cost for 4 frames with shipping comes to $410.
Averaging about $100 per each economy frame.
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Total Cost for 4 frames with shipping comes to $410.
Averaging about $100 per each economy frame.
Ohh the shipping was $190 .. not the total .. I misunderstood. Where is it you live ? Di you email Sue and ask about some frames? But for the quality, and the archival qualities you cant beat it .. It just depends if you want something that is good to hang something for a month or something to protect the poster long term.
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I am in Canada.
Ya I'm emailing with her back and forth.
So it does average out to $110 for an economy frame. So I want to confirm, are they (the ECONOMY frames) going to be a lot superior to those crappy Michaels frames.
I do need it to be stored in there long term too.
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Ok, that makes sense the US to CA shipping will hurt every time.. As for HPF vs Michaels .. HPF is FAR superior!! The larger frames from Michael's have this thin/flimsy high gloss cheap plastic, this flimsy metal frames and have cardboard or wood pulp sheets as a backing .. So I spend extra when i pick up acid free backing and put up with the cheap plastic and flimsy frame. They end up running me about $30 for a 24x36 .. Now that I have 20+ Michaels frames and 2 HPF's and wish I had spent a little more and gotten all HPF's :(
But that is pushing me to learn to make my own frames so that I can use all sorts of different frames/materials :)
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I am in Canada.
Ya I'm emailing with her back and forth.
So it does average out to $110 for an economy frame. So I want to confirm, are they (the ECONOMY frames) going to be a lot superior to those crappy Michaels frames.
I do need it to be stored in there long term too.
I've had Sue send me a frame for a one sheet here in Canada. Shipping was a bundle too - $69 for one frame I think? But there is nowhere else to get an archival frame in Canada and I can assure you Sue uses good quality materials that a much better than Michaels.
If you are looking for smaller frames (like insert or daybill sized) - I have several frames from Americanframe.com and they are really nice. Shipping was (I believe) $50 or so for two plus $80 for each frame.
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Please do not buy Michael's economy frames. I bought about $400 of them and had to throw all of them away. The foam sides started crumbling and little bits of crapola would get all over the posters when displayed.
I'm also less than happy with some of my Spotlight frames nowadays. The clamps have too much pressure and can quickly permanently warp the poster. However, the pressure is inconsistent, so some frames are fine. Also, Spotlight now gives you thicker plexiglass, so it's less of a problem
So in the end, I'd go with HPF.
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I will end up going with HPF.
Mel, are you good with spotlight displays now though? Because I am going to go with them for my larger posters.
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I will end up going with HPF.
Mel, are you good with spotlight displays now though? Because I am going to go with them for my larger posters.
No, as I said in my post below, I have issues with them but they are definitely the best bet for x-large frames.
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I would say nay on the cheap $30.00 Michaels frames as well. I had some for my art prints and they were a disaster.
I have not had any issues with any of my Spotlight Display frames and I have around 24 of them all different sizes.
I don't own any from HPF, so I can't offer anything good or bad about them.
Cj
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I will be going to HPF for the smaller posters 30x40 and under. But I will use the economy frames. If anyone has anymore input on the economy frames before I purchase, please let me know.
For spotlight Displays. How do you hang the larger frames?
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No, as I said in my post below, I have issues with them but they are definitely the best bet for x-large frames.
Would humidity, temperature and sunlight have anything to do with your issues?
My frames are in my basement where it is pretty much a constant 70 degrees year round with no sunlight at all.
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For spotlight Displays. How do you hang the larger frames?
They all hang the same. They send you anchors with predrilled holes on the backside of the frames. I buy metal screw in anchors from Home Depot or Lowes. The frames mount flush to the wall so the frames are not hanging from a nail or screw.
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Well guys, got the frames a couple of days ago.
They are the economy ones. So I put some less expensive posters in that were already available. Instead of searching through my collection and deciding. I will do that next time and get measurements correct and order the archival ones instead for next time.
So here are the pics.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/big_mike667/IMGP0193.jpg)
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/big_mike667/IMGP0192.jpg)
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/big_mike667/IMGP01942.jpg)
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Are you happy with them?
Cj
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I am happy with them.
the only draw back is the shipping like I had said.
I have worked it out. and it will average out to $125 Per economy frame.
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Might get another order.
Is it worth it to upgrade to Non Glare plexi?
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Might get another order.
Is it worth it to upgrade to Non Glare plexi?
I hate that non-glare stuff
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I hear that from members too, whats the scoop? some like it some hate it?
I have to get a larger order so don't want to be disappointed with non glare if I upgrade.
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Non-glare is definitely the way to go in my opinion!
There is no perceivable difference in clarity or opaqueness.
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I hear that from members too, whats the scoop? some like it some hate it?
I have to get a larger order so don't want to be disappointed with non glare if I upgrade.
most non-glare plexi is "frosted" or dimpled.
these issues make looking at the poster from anyplace except straight on opaque
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Non-glare is definitely the way to go in my opinion! There is no perceivable difference in clarity or opaqueness.
I'd agree but do wonder why people say no to none glare, anyone?
I've just received from HPF my first order of frames, four daybill frames (archival, plexi and mats, FYI: average price landed $178) and one of them I got as none glare to see the main difference, I think the non glare is the way to go for me in the future too.
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I would get non-glare. Glare frames are very annoying during the day or bright light.
I like spotlight display's dual plexiglass - one side is glare the other is nonglare.
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most non-glare plexi is "frosted" or dimpled.
these issues make looking at the poster from anyplace except straight on opaque
Not so with HPF non-glare Rich.
Also americanframe.com for that matter...
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Non-glare is definitely the way to go in my opinion!
There is no perceivable difference in clarity or opaqueness.
+1 I think they look a lot better. I wish I didn't though so I could buy cheaper frames and be happy.
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Non-glare is definitely the way to go in my opinion!
There is no perceivable difference in clarity or opaqueness.
Mike, I currently have about 45 HP non-glare frames on display. I am very happy about my decision. I cannot stand glare reflections in standard plastic frames.
Your mileage may very,
Brian
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+1 I think they look a lot better. I wish I didn't though so I could buy cheaper frames and be happy.
+2, but dude, you come up with some creepy avatars. thumbup
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+2, but dude, you come up with some creepy avatars. thumbup
My other avatars were only horror characters. Nothing as creepy as this one. See thread for explanation...
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3514.0.html
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My other avatars were only horror characters. Nothing as creepy as this one. See thread for explanation...
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3514.0.html
OMG!!! That was a funny thread. Thanks for sharing. I thought it was just a bizarre pic of a Sid Haig fan boy. Man, I wish I could choose the avatar for some the regulars. ;D
Nice game you guys have going.
Brian
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So, if my understanding is correct, the feature of the standard backing is that it merely does no harm to the posters by being acid-free, but the archival backing actually sucks acid out of the posters?
Also, any chance we could see someone's photo comparisons of the glare vs non-glare?
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Yes, pictures would be great!
As you can see from mine, a lot of glare!
Wondering what the non glare is like.
Also the light is reflecting of the fold lines, which isn't looking that great.
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http://www.americanframe.com/
I've used these guys for many moons, way before the internet when their business was mail order. Never had a problem, as a matter of fact, they are one of the very best businesses I've ever used. And, as a former framer for Michaels Farts and Crap, I would never use any of their economy frames for anything of value. Plus, even as a Michaels employee, with the discounts and fudging, it was always cheaper to use these folks. You only have to be handy at twirling a screw driver with the metal frames and the wood ones have plastic corner inserts that work very well. Only drawback to the woodies is I'm not fond of the clips to hold in the artwork, and prefer the flexible points, but it's a bit of a pain unless you have a point gun. And I frame a lot of stuff, from one sheets on down, with the occasional quad tossed in and learned a long time ago that the care and feeding of classic paper is not cheap. Oversize frames (length + width = more than 54/55 inches, I think) has an extra shipping charge. Down side is also that they don't have UV barrier plexi larger than 32x40 and my one sheet frames are 30.5 x 43. For one sheet size UVB plexi I have to have it shipped in from my son in the States (not a cheap endeavor, I must say).
Just as a side note. I've never regretted spending the bucks to frame something, but every time I've cheaped it, I've looked at the frame and wondered WTF was I thinking ;D
Hope this adds an option for the DYIers.
Lynn
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I just checked. A Logan glazing point gun is around $30 from Amazon. Given what we spend on framing, this is a reasonable investment, especially when compared to using brads.
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I'm afraid to total up the amount I've spent this year on framing. Probably well above $1500 :o, but worth every penny.
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So, if my understanding is correct, the feature of the standard backing is that it merely does no harm to the posters by being acid-free, but the archival backing actually sucks acid out of the posters?
Also, any chance we could see someone's photo comparisons of the glare vs non-glare?
no no no
standard backing, is not entirely acid free, nor is the archival backing. However the non-archival backing has a buffering agent applied to the surface or the paper sheet itself is manufactured with the buffering agent. No paper of any kind can be completely free of acidic agents
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no no no
standard backing, is not entirely acid free, nor is the archival backing. However the non-archival backing has a buffering agent applied to the surface or the paper sheet itself is manufactured with the buffering agent. No paper of any kind can be completely free of acidic agents
So what IS the difference between the standard backing and archival backing offered by HPF?
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Sorry to revive an old thread (even though some of it's questions weren't answered), but I had a question that seemed to fit in well here during my searching.
I just purchased a ton of bags and backings from Bags Unlimited. I got 10 Mylar Sleeves w/10 of the .1875" Foam Archival backings (and 10 clips) as well as 25 of the polyethylene 4mil bags w/25 of the .028 acid free boards for those. I figured I would put my more expensive posters (that I'm not framing) in the mylar sleeves and the rest in the polyethylene sleeves.
Anyway, so I'm also about to go buy some more frames from HPF. I've already purchased three in the past (all the "deluxe" version), and was very happy with the quality, but need about 5 more and wanted to try and save some money.
Could I just buy the economy frames and use some of the backings I purchased from BU to replace the backings in the frame, which would in effect "upgrade" them to the archival frame level?
I assume the answer is yes, but I wasn't positive if the backings were "frame compatible".
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Sorry to revive an old thread (even though some of it's questions weren't answered), but I had a question that seemed to fit in well here during my searching.
I just purchased a ton of bags and backings from Bags Unlimited. I got 10 Mylar Sleeves w/10 of the .1875" Foam Archival backings (and 10 clips) as well as 25 of the polyethylene 4mil bags w/25 of the .028 acid free boards for those. I figured I would put my more expensive posters (that I'm not framing) in the mylar sleeves and the rest in the polyethylene sleeves.
Anyway, so I'm also about to go buy some more frames from HPF. I've already purchased three in the past (all the "deluxe" version), and was very happy with the quality, but need about 5 more and wanted to try and save some money.
Could I just buy the economy frames and use some of the backings I purchased from BU to replace the backings in the frame, which would in effect "upgrade" them to the archival frame level?
I assume the answer is yes, but I wasn't positive if the backings were "frame compatible".
Do you want to use the foam backings or the cardboard backings? If you want to use the cardboard just place it behind the poster and on top of the non-archival economy backing (as a buffer) that comes with the HPF frame. If you're using the foam it should be thick enough on its own. You might have to cut either or though to fit the frame...
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Thanks. I'll have to see when I get them which is the easier method.
It seems, based on the earlier comments in this thread, that people have a strong disdain for the frames that Michaels has. My wife is anxious to go there this afternoon to get a few cheap frames (she has like two stackable 25+40% off coupons) for some of the cheaper posters we have that she wants to hang up. Newer 27x40 posters that are more in the $10-50 range.
She thinks she can get them for about $20-25 each, which would be less than half of the cost of getting them at HPF (not to mention I gawk at the idea of spending $60+ to house a $20 poster).
Are they really that bad?
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Thanks. I'll have to see when I get them which is the easier method.
It seems, based on the earlier comments in this thread, that people have a strong disdain for the frames that Michaels has. My wife is anxious to go there this afternoon to get a few cheap frames (she has like two stackable 25+40% off coupons) for some of the cheaper posters we have that she wants to hang up. Newer 27x40 posters that are more in the $10-50 range.
She thinks she can get them for about $20-25 each, which would be less than half of the cost of getting them at HPF (not to mention I gawk at the idea of spending $60+ to house a $20 poster).
Are they really that bad?
Yep, I played that same game but those frames are terrible. The backing literally crumbles and gets all over the posters. I bought $300-$400 of them and they were all consigned to the garbage long ago.
Just buy in volume from HPF or Spotlight Displays.
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Thanks. I'll have to see when I get them which is the easier method.
It seems, based on the earlier comments in this thread, that people have a strong disdain for the frames that Michaels has. My wife is anxious to go there this afternoon to get a few cheap frames (she has like two stackable 25+40% off coupons) for some of the cheaper posters we have that she wants to hang up. Newer 27x40 posters that are more in the $10-50 range.
She thinks she can get them for about $20-25 each, which would be less than half of the cost of getting them at HPF (not to mention I gawk at the idea of spending $60+ to house a $20 poster).
Are they really that bad?
I think they are perfectly fine for "less valuable" posters that you just want to get up on the wall. You just have to be cognizant that they have no archival properties such as UV filtering. I have 2 27x41 frames that I brought back from the US from Michaels (don't have this size here) and all I was concerned about was not letting the original backing touch the posters (i.e. put an acid-free buffer in there or replace the backing with an acid-free foam board). The frames are fine as long as the posters are not in direct sunlight and not highly valued posters...
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2 of my 4-5 Michaels collage frames converted to poster frames fell off the wall because the fucking wire gave. To me that that is a testament to their quality. HPF or spotlight for me from now on.
Conor
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Has anyone experienced any fading? What is the longest you have had the posters in the frames for?
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Has anyone experienced any fading? What is the longest you have had the posters in the frames for?
These two that I have posted here several times have been in Sue's premium archival frames since 1998 and on constant display. No noticeable fading, but I do keep them out of both direct and reflected sunlight.
(http://users.frii.com/cindy/satguys/1sheet_lostpictures.JPG)
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I've seen the poster on the right somewhere Jay.. but I can't seem to recall where right at the moment
These two that I have posted here several times have been in Sue's premium archival frames since 1998 and on constant display. No noticeable fading, but I do keep them out of both direct and reflected sunlight.
(http://users.frii.com/cindy/satguys/1sheet_lostpictures.JPG)
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Is there Non glare worth the additional cost?
I had samples sent to me from a plexi company. Same plexi Sue uses.
However, the Non glare 6"x6" piece I received. Sort of matte like, but on the piece you can't tell. However, I still see some glare, just distorted glare.
Is this how the non glare plexi is?
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No noticeable fading, but I do keep them out of both direct and reflected sunlight.
I think think that is the simple answer.
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I've seen the poster on the right somewhere Jay.. but I can't seem to recall where right at the moment
your mirror. :P
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Is there Non glare worth the additional cost?
I had samples sent to me from a plexi company. Same plexi Sue uses.
However, the Non glare 6"x6" piece I received. Sort of matte like, but on the piece you can't tell. However, I still see some glare, just distorted glare.
Is this how the non glare plexi is?
And I thought I was overly analytical ;)
Yes, Mike. The non-glare makes a big difference in real life. No, its not perfect, but it tends to be the difference between having something that displays well in a lighted room and something that is just reflected images. Basically, both will reflect a light source, but the regular plexi will pick up and reflect images of everything that is in front of the poster as well, like the couch, stuff sitting on the table, etc.
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No, the samples were $5. I figure better to see samples first (which obviously didn't help much). As if I had to make another purchase, would be 10 frames (to save on shipping costs). Didn't want to make a mistake.