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Movie Posters => General Discussion => Topic started by: 2007Whoopi on October 10, 2014, 02:43:51 AM
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I've never understood why collectors will spend thousands of dollars a year on cheap posters in poor condition, when they could save the exact same money and spend it on a few choice items. In this way, a serious collector over the decades will still amass a large quantity but the posters will be quality instead of colourful toilet paper. I made a lot of mistakes as a newbie collector and bought just about everything that mildly appealed to me. Everybody refines their taste and collection over time which is why it surprises me that veteran collectors still buy bad/cheap/unimportant posters when they don't have to. uhno
And that leads me to my next question: why buy a bunch of posters you shove in a flat file and only pull out once or twice a year and then never see again as more posters pile on top of it? I don't understand that mentality at all. It's like watch collectors who put their Railway Prince Rolex in a safe and never wear it. What good is that? Are they simply content to luxuriate in the notion that they own it? To me that is the height of narcissism. Back to posters: I only buy posters I think are good enough to frame - and then I frame them. No tacky snap-frames or light boxes, I spend serious money on archival conservation materials and really nice frames. And UV resistant plexi really isn't that expensive. On another forum somebody complained about one sheet of plexi costing $12!!! :o Really? You're upset you have to protect your $5000 lobby card with materials that cost $12? I always factor framing costs into my purchase of a poster. If you can't afford to frame a poster you buy, then you should save up and not spend that money on more posters you will never see. Only buy another poster when the current one has been conserved correctly. This reminds me of a couple who moved into my parent's neighbourhood four years ago and live three houses down. These people couldn't afford the home (an old Victorian which was in need of a lot of work) so they decided to do the renovations themselves. Four years later the place still looks like a bomb site. My parent's suburb is filled with period homes, mostly sympathetically restored - well these new neighbours are up to their eyeballs in debt, living pay-check to pay-check and only buying building supplies when they have some spare cash. They have completely mangled the façade and because of their shoddy workmanship, the foundations are cracking, which has broken hundred year old stained glass, plaster cornices are rotting due to holes in the roof (which they caused by breaking the slate tiles) and pressed metal ceilings have smashed to the floor. All the beautiful, rustic oak floorboards have been scratched and damaged because they can't afford the correct equipment for transporting machinery. In short, the home and the suburb is too good for them and they can't afford to conserve their asset in an appropriate fashion. That is the problem with some movie poster collectors too: they will buy a rotting Victorian mansion of a poster and let its roof leak.
True, I have a large home and lots of wall space so I don't actually need to store any of my posters away. To me, what makes a home is plants in the corner, framed photos of loved ones and pictures hung on the wall. Personally, I feel displaying my posters in a permanent and tasteful way has enriched my collecting experience and allows me to easily enjoy them every day, with no risk of man-handling them the way people who pull them constantly out of map files must do.
Tell me, why do you have hundreds or thousands of posters stored away that you will never see? Is it for investment? The knowledge you have something others don't? How does storing a bunch of paper you can't display, enhance your movie poster collecting experience?
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It's like any hobby and the collector who gets involved in it: To each his own, and what best suits his/her needs and makes them happy while involved in it.
What one collector considers "crap" could be another collector's treasure.
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You may have a point, what's the use having hundreds or thousands of posters ?
Nonetheless, I know some collectors who think the contrary than you, they shall never frame nor linenback stuff... they like the idea of having it somewhere and being able to open it and touch/feel the paper. I have seen collectors also who have 5,000-10,000 euros poster hanged with paper clip for the same reason, to be able to touch it.
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Mod please move to "Let It All Out/Rhetorical Rants/Why do collectors buy a_lot of crap?" thumbsup.gif
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I can understand why collectors don't linen-back posters - I assume that detracts from the originality in their eyes. And I definitely get why they don't buy linen-backed posters (there is a small-time dealer in Australia who is notorious for linen-backing poor condition posters and selling them as very fine to mint) but to hang them unbacked with paper clips? Apart from the obvious, wouldn't the weight of the unbacked paper pull at the cross-folds over time, particularly a 3-sheet? I hate touching my posters. I always wash my hands first and then get paranoid that some dried soap residue on my fingers might affect the paper. Touching isn't a sense I associate with posters - is it a sexual thing? I know a couple who get a sensual charge from touching money - instead of a porno they will watch that Demi Moore-Woody Harrelson scene in "Indecent Proposal" to get stimulated.
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I have a flat file with quite a few posters in it. They're in sleeves which makes handling them quite easy. I look at them often and get a lot of enjoyment from them.
I agree that to a 'serious collector', my collection is pretty crappy, but I collect for myself primarily and there are enough like minded collectors to enjoy sharing my crappy stuff with to make it fun. If it fulfils my desires, I get just as much pleasure from acquiring a £5 poster as I do from getting a £150 poster. What is significant to me is insignificant to others, this is life.
I have two framed posters up on the walls, the rest of my walls have non-film related art. I seem to spend a lot of time on-line learning about/hunting/admiring film posters, so I feel that's enough of my life devoted to the hobby...as much as I love film posters, I don't want to see them all the time.
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That's an interesting comment. I never considered that a collector wouldn't want to see movie posters all the time. Maybe that's just me. I think your attitude is more grown-up - an eclectic mix of art on the walls. Maybe it's a bit gimmicky to have only movie posters framed on the walls - like people who hang plates and nothing else. However my main home is art deco in period (I have an investment property/weekender where I have all my movie poster packages sent - it's a good tip if buying regularly from local dealers who know your inventory that the posters are not kept at the address where they are posted, although emovies and Heritage are quite safe!) with nice high ceilings and it's perfect for displaying my collection.
I don't consider myself a "serious collector" - I haven't been in the game long enough but I think I've become familiar with the basic ins and outs and hope to learn more in the future. Because I'm quite young, I can't wait until those superannuated dealers who ripped me off as a newbie pass on and their collection is auctioned. One dealer in particular (who judging by the 1980s picture he uses to promote his business must be about 100 by now) is unlikely to make it through another ten years, and I'll relish the day when I buy his entire collection lock, stock and barrel for a bargain basement price!!! Yippeeeee!!!! ;D
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I agree with some of what your saying. I will never understand people who have thousands of posters. It doesn't seem like enjoyment, it comes across more like desperation to acquire. I have around 45 posters, and I hang around 5 or 6 at a time to enjoy. I usually keep them up for a few months, and then switch them out for another poster. This seems to work for me. I don't like having tons of posters on the wall, it's too much for my eyes to take in. I could be alone here, haha.
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I have thousands of posters. I have 25 drawers of flat files in use at the moment. I have some choice posters too. I buy posters that I forgot I had. I buy duplicates just for the hell of it. For me, it's not so much about seeing them, as the hunt. Once I have them, the excitement is over. Until I see them again and realize I have it. I flip through them but I know what they all look like - that is one of the reasons I bought them. Don't need to see them on a daily basis. I have 20 or so framed but have only switched out my US OS frame about 4 times in the past year. For example, my biggest purchase of the year is still in the box it came from EMP. I do hope it is in there. I do plan on getting it framed - but no hurry.
I think you can separate movie poster collectors to better fit into one of two categories:
Those that buy to decorate (and show off)...
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Collectors of cinema history...
I enjoy the thought that the poster I am buying most likely was seen by hundreds of movie goers just as much as the image. In a way a paper time capsule. Posters of different ages and formats all have a story. The availability of accessories changed over time. Actors/Actresses featured on the poster all have a story. I collect a lot by actor/actress... Each film has a story. I collect by film. I do select some of the posters based on art, but more for which one is the best for that film or features an actress the best.
Price/value only comes into play 1. If I want it. 2. Whether I can afford it.
I buy cheap shit because not everything for an actor, actress, or film is expensive. I just picked up, last night, the Mrs. side or "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" because I think Angelina Jolie was smokin' hot in that film. Was it cheap? Yep, and thank god I didn't have to shell out a bunch for it.
As far as I am concerned if you aren't collecting what I like, then "you" are collecting crap.
Japanese monsters - Crap. Universal Horror - Crap. 30s stuff - Crap. 40s Serial Westerns - Crap. Marilyn Monroe - Crap. All Hitchcock w/o Grace - Crap.
Plus I think that tastes shift. I never thought I would ever eye Spielberg posters, but I have softened the more I have learned about him as a director.
I think the question that should be asked vs. this narrow minded attempt to justify a specific way of collecting, is simply - "Why do you collect?"
Which is not a new question: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3125.msg47323.html#msg47323
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You really think that posters from the 1930's are crap!?!?!?!
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You really think that posters from the 1930's are crap!?!?!?!
Well Hotel for Women is ok in my book... bed1
I also love Paulette Goddard...
Most likely it's because I just haven't watched a lot of those films.
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I have about 200 posters, probably half coming from EMP. I dont live in the states so i dont get a tubeful of posters for a flat $9 rate. So, if I do buy a poster, why not get a couple more over a 6 week period, since it will cost me fairly the same for the shipment. Call it a marketing ploy or a super convenient practice for the international buyer, whatever.
I still have a mental block preventing me from spending more than a couple hundred bucks on a piece of paper, because its so fragile, and i'm not rich. So most of the APFers might balk at the collection of an obvious "novice," Of course, I don't give a shit, I love my collection and in many ways, its very unqiue. My prize pieces are my war/propaganda posters a number of which date back to WW1 and even a couple before that. What I love about posters is the medium itself, the art, the message and the time period. Its about identifying with the tiem period, the event, or the history more than the movie or the actor (most of which i would have never seen, and in many case could not sit through without putting a fork in my eye). Dont get me wrong though, its for the exact same reasons that i completely understand why folks are giddy over the Grace Kellys, the Bardots, etc.
My dad has been collecting a lot of stuff over the years, which I always chalked up as "dad is hoarding more old shit" At 36 years old, its amazing how much I am like my dad today, and while my current focus is on posters, i'm also fascinated by a lot of other "old shit." I guess when you immerse yourself in situations where you are exposed to a lot of interesting stuff (estate sales, etc), your collection can't help but grow. Like Thierry said a few months ago - it doesnt make sense, but it makes me happy, and really, that's all that matters.
At first I thought this thread should have been called "why do some people post a lot of crap" but I am happy to hear about the views and experiences of other people. Even if I dont identify with them, they force me to stop and think about my own experience...and my dad.
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At first I thought this thread should have been called "why do some people post a lot of crap" but I am happy to hear about the views and experiences of other people. Even if I dont identify with them, they force me to stop and think about my own experience...and my dad.
Another great reason to collect. I pretty much have every format of Stargate ever printed because it reminds me of the last time my cousins and I were still kids. My oldest cousin was about to get married and we were all growing up...
I bought a Unfaithful OS because my wife and I got into our very first spat (when we were dating) after I let her borrow my DVD - which then disappeared. It was never found and since I was such an anal prick back in those days, it took a while for me not to remind her. Now I have a 27" x 40" reminder! Ha, it is a wonder she even married me... I had such a smile on my face when I asked her to hold the one end, as I unrolled it. It was my way of asking her to forgive me. We laughed and all was well.
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haha. Good story Charlie!
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You really think that posters from the 1930's are crap!?!?!?!
I know, can you believe it? Charlie said:
I think you can separate movie poster collectors to better fit into one of two categories:
Those that buy to decorate (and show off)...
and
Collectors of cinema history...
You know Charlie, it is possible to be both. I certainly like showing off and displaying my posters but I am also a collector of cinema history. It sounds like you are neither if you think 30's posters are crap. Although I do agree Japanese monsters, Universal Horror and 40's Westerns are beneath crap.
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haha. Good story Charlie!
Yes - it was scintillating...
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I collect what I collect because I like to collect it and that's that.
I don't do it for anyone else other than me.
I don't do it for investment.
I think the trap for anyone is trying to collect what others understand or approve or otherwise think is worthy of collecting. That path will lead to discontent, to be sure.
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I have about 200 posters, probably half coming from EMP. I dont live in the states so i dont get a tubeful of posters for a flat $9 rate. So, if I do buy a poster, why not get a couple more over a 6 week period, since it will cost me fairly the same for the shipment. Call it a marketing ploy or a super convenient practice for the international buyer, whatever.
I still have a mental block preventing me from spending more than a couple hundred bucks on a piece of paper, because its so fragile, and i'm not rich. So most of the APFers might balk at the collection of an obvious "novice," Of course, I don't give a shit, I love my collection and in many ways, its very unqiue. My prize pieces are my war/propaganda posters a number of which date back to WW1 and even a couple before that. What I love about posters is the medium itself, the art, the message and the time period. Its about identifying with the tiem period, the event, or the history more than the movie or the actor (most of which i would have never seen, and in many case could not sit through without putting a fork in my eye). Dont get me wrong though, its for the exact same reasons that i completely understand why folks are giddy over the Grace Kellys, the Bardots, etc.
My dad has been collecting a lot of stuff over the years, which I always chalked up as "dad is hoarding more old shit" At 36 years old, its amazing how much I am like my dad today, and while my current focus is on posters, i'm also fascinated by a lot of other "old shit." I guess when you immerse yourself in situations where you are exposed to a lot of interesting stuff (estate sales, etc), your collection can't help but grow. Like Thierry said a few months ago - it doesnt make sense, but it makes me happy, and really, that's all that matters.
At first I thought this thread should have been called "why do some people post a lot of crap" but I am happy to hear about the views and experiences of other people. Even if I dont identify with them, they force me to stop and think about my own experience...and my dad.
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This is what I hate about "collectors" my age and the only thing I like about the 50+ brigade - at least the old men have taste in posters. I have never understood why my generation don't appreciate old films and I certainly don't get why people my age haven't the maturity to see that no great movie has been made for at least 17 years. While I wouldn't call 90's movies classics - compared to films from the 30s-50s, they were shit - but compare 90s movies to what's being made today and they look like masterpieces. Also, I primarily collect posters for the movie and the actor - which actually is about "the medium itself, the art, the message and the time period." I'm also not giddy over Grace Kelly and especially not Bardot (like Sophia Loren, did Bardot ever do a good movie?).
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I don't hate anything about any collectors. If someone is pursuing their passion for a collecting interest, who the hell am I, or who the hell is anyone else, appointed to announce what is right and wrong? Why do people feel the need to blather on and on about what they hate and what they like?
There are folks out there who collect Belgian movie posters. I don't get it, and I don't like them, but I would not go out there and say they are all idiots for doing so. I could say the same about so many other areas and things that I don't collect or like, but that does not mean they are not collectable or likeable by someone else.
I feel the same way about those who claim in broad strokes that all the movies from ________ period or ______ years (fill in the blanks) suck, or that only those movies from ______ period are any good. I love The Fountain. Most cannot stand that movie, but I love it. It moved me and it had a message for me. What anyone else thinks about that is irrelevant, and the fact that so many think the movie sucked ass does not change how I view it.
But then again, I am way ahead of the curve in terms of knowing the difference between looking for happiness inside of me as opposed to outside. That's probably why I'm selling most of my collection and keeping only a few (hundred) that I really appreciate. But then again, I'm still outward looking enough to be proud to own a few unicorns.
Everyone is right. Everyone is wrong. Who is who depends only on your perspective at the moment.
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And I don't understand why people generalise that collectors must be superficial and materialistic and not know the difference between looking for happiness inside of them as opposed to outside. It is possible to live well, and like being surrounded by beautiful things, and still appreciate what is most important in life: family and your health.
Sheesh, everyone on here seems to think you have to be either black or white - what about Obama?
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Yep. Sometimes I give a certain film or film maker or genre shit. I trust everyone knows I am kidding. Theres actually no film I hate. There's many I don't want to see again. But that's as strong as my feelings go on the subject. I save hate for more serious things.
I don't care that most won't understand why I collect Aussie hammer. It's 100% personal. The first films that got me into horror were hammer films and I saw them in Australia. That's all. The art on those can be poor (some are good) but I don't care. I won't frame these things.
Other stuff I collect must have good art and must be a film I love.
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And I don't understand why people generalise that collectors must be superficial and materialistic and not know the difference between looking for happiness inside of them as opposed to outside. It is possible to live well, and like being surrounded by beautiful things, and still appreciate what is most important in life: family and your health.
Sheesh, everyone on here seems to think you have to be either black or white - what about Obama?
I did not say any such thing. It seems to me that you're bent on throwing your dick down and letting people know you've arrived. My friend, we've been here for awhile now. We got along just fine without the benefit of your insights, and we will continue to do so. I agree with some of what you've said, but not all. It seems, though, that when you face disagreement, you are taking it as a challenge and that you feel the need to respond in kind.
May I make a suggestion? How about getting into what you like to the exclusion of all that you don't like. Suffice to say that it will be a much more pleasant conversation.
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You are the Man, Ari. One day, I am going to Australia and I will finally get to meet you.
Yep. Sometimes I give a certain film or film maker or genre shit. I trust everyone knows I am kidding. Theres actually no film I hate. There's many I don't want to see again. But that's as strong as my feelings go on the subject. I save hate for more serious things.
I don't care that most won't understand why I collect Aussie hammer. It's 100% personal. The first films that got me into horror were hammer films and I saw them in Australia. That's all. The art on those can be poor (some are good) but I don't care. I won't frame these things.
Other stuff I collect must have good art and must be a film I love.
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hey. Holiday...... sm1
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hey. Holiday...... sm1
Hi Boss. Hope you're well. Las Vegas is on my list of places to visit too.... Gotta see the kids in L.A. too. So many places....
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I did not say any such thing. It seems to me that you're bent on throwing your dick down and letting people know you've arrived. My friend, we've been here for awhile now. We got along just fine without the benefit of your insights, and we will continue to do so. I agree with some of what you've said, but not all. It seems, though, that when you face disagreement, you are taking it as a challenge and that you feel the need to respond in kind.
May I make a suggestion? How about getting into what you like to the exclusion of all that you don't like. Suffice to say that it will be a much more pleasant conversation.
Everybody already knows what I like - I've spoken over it ad nauseum and posted photos of my collection, what more do you want? You seem very defensive: Since when does expressing my opinion have anything to do with other people? I don't state my opinion for the benefit of others, I couldn't care less if other people glean anything from my "insights" or not. I express myself for my enjoyment and my enjoyment only, that's all.
Like every single person on this forum, when I face disagreement, I respond with my own opinion. That's what conversation is and I have a right to respond to anything anyone says. Having said that, this is your forum and if you don't wish me to partake in a conversation like everyone else does here, you know exactly how to remedy the situation :)
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PS. This is not the first nor last forum I have been a member of, and I will go on expressing my opinion, long after I am done with this forum :)
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I don't think I'm defensive, but that really doesn't matter. You say that expressing your opinion has nothing to do with other people, but that's like farting in a room full of people and not caring how they feel about it.
If you don't really care how other people feel about what you say, then why say anything? Just to listen to the sound of your voice, figuratively speaking?
If you want discourse, that's fine. We all like it. That's what a forum is about. But for shit's sake, man, stay positive instead of telling other people how their stuff is crap.
Now, if you have to have the last word, that's fine. Go ahead and say it and I won't respond. But, I'm just as happy letting it go here. We have said what's on our mind, and we can go act accordingly.
And yes, this I own this forum along with Thierry, and you are welcome here as our guest. No one's kicking you out for talking, or even for farting in the room.
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PS. This is not the first nor last forum I have been a member of, and I will go on expressing my opinion, long after I am done with this forum :)
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Most awesome reads. Anyone else want Holiday to be Prime Minister?
ps anyone watching the ball game? craaaazinessssss
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I don't think I'm defensive, but that really doesn't matter. You say that expressing your opinion has nothing to do with other people, but that's like farting in a room full of people and not caring how they feel about it.
If you don't really care how other people feel about what you say, then why say anything? Just to listen to the sound of your voice, figuratively speaking?
If you want discourse, that's fine. We all like it. That's what a forum is about. But for shit's sake, man, stay positive instead of telling other people how their stuff is crap.
Now, if you have to have the last word, that's fine. Go ahead and say it and I won't respond. But, I'm just as happy letting it go here. We have said what's on our mind, and we can go act accordingly.
And yes, this I own this forum along with Thierry, and you are welcome here as our guest. No one's kicking you out for talking, or even for farting in the room.
Nope, you're wrong. Farting in a room full of people is offensive: I consider myself an eloquent writer, quite witty and original, and I know people on this forum have been entertained by my posts, despite themselves. My short time here has generated a lot of discussion, which makes my presence here of more value than some who just come here and criticise others - and yes, many do. This "rose-coloured syndrome" people have on this forum, that they are "good" and others are "bad" is incorrect, immature and well, just a little sad.
I've also not told anyone their stuff is "crap" - At all. There are many threads on this forum with some terrible collections but I have not given my opinions on them. I have commented in a generic way on the habits of some collectors and mentioned no names. (not even the dealers who ripped me off - primarily because it wouldn't hurt their business as nobody buys from them anyway) In that way, I am a lot less negative than all the posters here who have abused dealers and mentioned names, addresses and all other specifics. Why don't you tell them to stop being negative? I've already explained why I like expressing myself, it has nothing to do with other people: It would be pretty sad to go through life only expressing oneself to please others. In my experience, I've never witnessed others do this anyway.
As it is, it really doesn't matter. This is not a "last word" post but a "goodbye one." I've realised my presence here gives this forum more value and more views and it's best if I let it go the way of MPF.
And CSM, ah, so predictable? Why do you wait for a group of others to attack before getting a punch in? Cowardly, so cowardly...
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Most awesome reads. Anyone else want Holiday to be Prime Minister?
He is having an easy time of it but I would like to see him go up against some one with an actual well thought out thought before I go crazy. :P
I would though vote for him as Prime Minister of this board. 8)
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There are many threads on this forum with some terrible collections but I have not given my opinions on them.
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I consider myself an eloquent writer, quite witty and original
You are sadly ignorant...
As it is, it really doesn't matter. This is not a "last word" post but a "goodbye one." I've realised my presence here gives this forum more value and more views and it's best if I let it go the way of MPF
Hallelujah!
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Hallelujah!
;D
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That was just ridiculous....
Someone's been smokin the crack....
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As it is, it really doesn't matter. This is not a "last word" post but a "goodbye one." I've realised my presence here gives this forum more value and more views and it's best if I let it go the way of MPF.
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excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.
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I dont care what anyone says this broad reeks of mel.
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I dont care what anyone says this broad reeks of mel.
...was mel a bastard?
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...was mel a bastard?
In both senses... Often a Bazterd more than a Bastard... He could be both in the same post.
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Hi Boss. Hope you're well. Las Vegas is on my list of places to visit too.... Gotta see the kids in L.A. too. So many places....
I'm doing just fine.. been busy with a number of things and making course corrections with auctions
looks like the programmer can't fix the bidding module to work correctly, so I've delayed any auctions until I get that part of the site fixed.. I'm about to post to the site about the issue
I'm also about to start working on lists of posters for set sale before I figure out if I'm listing them to the site normally or if I'm going to wait and see if we need to start from zero & get an all-new site built again.
but it's going to take months and months as there is so much work left here from not being to get to it while I was doing a regular auction, which has become somewhat of a waste of time as too many posters have been Wal Marted in just the last 5 years and destroyed the overall price structure of the hobby. I'm no longer playing into that "race to the bottom" to see how cheaply posters can be sold. I don't see how that is favorable to myself or to consignors anymore. But I'm definitely enjoying the lack of certain weekly deadlines and having more of my life to myself.
I'll be happy to see you stop around, when you make it..
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So predictable.
Bye bye, whoopster.
Most are surprised you lingered this long, before fleeing into the night.
And why aren't those 26+ daybills framed yet? It's best to have that "crap" up on those high walls at the "weekend residence" rather than on the table or floor, where dried soap scum from patty fingers can be a problem. 8)
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I don't think so. Mel is much smarter than this potzer. This guy ran into a debating dead end in a few moves. If he didn't respond to my last post, he was the guy farting in the room. If he did respond, then he was the one who had to have the last word. The only thing he could do, then, was choose what he thought was the lesser of two evils, but he tried to undo it by saying "not the last word, but goodbye!" just to maintain his illusion of being in a superior position, though I had just put the smack down on him. I would not have done it if he gave any indication of being a nice guy. He's a troll and he earned it, but he took a wrong turn by trolling in my woods.
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Sounds like tedium. Hope you're having fun otherwise. The back office crap can really be dull.
I'm doing just fine.. been busy with a number of things and making course corrections with auctions
looks like the programmer can't fix the bidding module to work correctly, so I've delayed any auctions until I get that part of the site fixed.. I'm about to post to the site about the issue
I'm also about to start working on lists of posters for set sale before I figure out if I'm listing them to the site normally or if I'm going to wait and see if we need to start from zero & get an all-new site built again.
but it's going to take months and months as there is so much work left here from not being to get to it while I was doing a regular auction, which has become somewhat of a waste of time as too many posters have been Wal Marted in just the last 5 years and destroyed the overall price structure of the hobby. I'm no longer playing into that "race to the bottom" to see how cheaply posters can be sold. I don't see how that is favorable to myself or to consignors anymore. But I'm definitely enjoying the lack of certain weekly deadlines and having more of my life to myself.
I'll be happy to see you stop around, when you make it..
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as much fun as I can ...... cheers
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I consider myself an eloquent writer, quite witty and original
Yes your such an eloquent writer because you didnt come here for civil conversation, you jumped on these forums and started insulting people and insulted peoples collecting habits. Thats not eloquent, its trashy, I expect much better conversation from someone that claims to be a serious collector.
And why aren't those 26+ daybills framed yet? (unless the images shown aren't actually yours). It's best to have that "crap" up on those high walls at the "weekend residence" rather than on the table or floor, where dried soap scum from patty fingers can be a problem --- especially there in Melbourne. 8
I agree, if he only buys posters that are worth framing how come all of the stuff he posted wasnt framed.
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In both senses... Often a Bazterd more than a Bastard... He could be both in the same post.
;D
Well said.
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I dont care what anyone says this broad reeks of mel.
definitely not Mel
I agree, if he only buys posters that are worth framing how come all of the stuff he posted wasnt framed.
good point
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I am literally a Barstard and take offence at or being an insult.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/PHQLQ1Rc_Js
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I am literally a Barstard and take offence at or being an insult.
Since when do you take offence to anything? ;)
definitely not Mel
Thats what I have been told. That he/she/it is not.
Thats why I said I dont care.
Reeks of as in mel like. 8)
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Not to totally sidetrack this scintillating discussion but I have to ask jedgerley about his avatar photo. Turns out I just inherited that exact print from by late father. He picked it up on Japan in 1950 and when I popped onto this page I finally made the connection.
Freaky, huh?
--Peter
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Not to totally sidetrack this scintillating discussion but I have to ask jedgerley about his avatar photo. Turns out I just inherited that exact print from by late father. He picked it up on Japan in 1950 and when I popped onto this page I finally made the connection.
Freaky, huh?
--Peter
That is very interesting. Can I pick this up probably 15 years ago in Washington DC. I was told it was purchased by Frank Lloyd Wright and staff on a trip to Japan to purchase furnishings for a project. Of course that story is totally unverifiable and wouldn't add value. When I saw it I had to have it. Did you notice if the Moon/Sun is raised on the print? I researched it a Bit many years ago and don't remember anything about it
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Its a very cool image, Jason...i've always really liked it, too. thumbsup.gif
What size is the actual print? Could you post a larger version on apf? Would love to see more of the details in it.
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It does appear that there might be extra layers of the "ink" on the moon that raise it a bit, but it's kind of hard to tell as it's framed and matted. I suspect behind the matte it's about 10x15". I think this is one of the prints my dad actually saw being made to order by artists when he was in Kyoto after their prior unpleasantness and just before his experiencing his own unpleasantness across the Sea of Japan.
--Peter
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/Photo%20Feb%2002%2C%2010%2037%2039%20PMmedium.png)
I only have this sorta fuzzy picture of it. I Probably will be taking a trip to my poster dungeon this week and will snap a clearer picture. 10x15 sounds right as well
Peter, Is yours framed and matted the same way per chance? The frame I have is wood in a bamboo motif and if I remember correctly it isn't machine made but rather hand carved. The frame has age to it so it seems to be matted and framed soon after its creation. Gonna poke around on the interwebs to see if i can find more info.
-Jason
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Well it wasnt hard to find something about it just as it was 12-15 years ago lol. heres a clear pic.
Moon at Kiyomizu Temple
by Benji Asada 1899-1984
Benji Asada is a typical Kyoto painter and printmaker. He received his art training at Kyoto City School of Fine Arts and Crafts and Kyoto City Specialist School of Painting. Benji Asada was an honor student of Goun Nishimura. In 1920s and 1930s he was active with the Kyoto and Tokyo Sosaku Hanga artists. He contributed to different group series - "Creative Prints of Twelve Months in New Kyoto" and "100 Views of New Japan". His major activities were on paintings in Japanese style.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/forRUM%20pikts/12746g1.jpg)
and here are some examples on ebay that sold http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=Benji+Asada&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
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Love that, Jason! bed1
Thanks for the other info and pics, too!
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Great info! Will have to print it out and put it on the back of the frame. My frame is a much more recent vintage, probably '90s or so. I have another of a samurai helmet and will have to see if that's a Benji Asada as well since I think they were purchased at the same time. I wonder if it was Benji himself who pulled the print?
--Peter
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Coming back to the question at hand. Have you ever looked back at what you bought and though it was crap?
Reading this thread made me wonder and yes, I looked back at what I've acquired over the years. My first poster was a RR from a silent film- all that I could afford. My last poster is from a 30s film. So I haven't changed my style that much.
But they are very different. I own posters in such a poor condition- yes, Bogies - doubt anyone will ever want them, but I still value them and like them all the same. I also have other posters that somehow no longer have the same value, not as when I first bought them. Still, they do not quality as ''crap'' to me. I find it really hard to depart from them. Does that happen to you? I can't sell those even if they are not quite the same to me. I guess we all mature and need to make room for other priorities or posters. But somehow, it is really difficult for me to sell them. Maybe I will trade them with someone I trust, or maybe not.
Anyway, just a thought. I read what W wrote and I looked back at my paper and kept thinking.. is this crap? Have I bought crap. Maybe. But as someone wrote (Ari? or Tob?), it makes happy.. so I guess I am OK.
Anyway, just curious what you guys thought... that long journey from first to the last poster.. the crappy road.. girly2.gif
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I've never understood why collectors will spend thousands of dollars a year on cheap posters in poor condition, when they could save the exact same money and spend it on a few choice items. In this way, a serious collector over the decades will still amass a large quantity but the posters will be quality instead of colourful toilet paper. I made a lot of mistakes as a newbie collector and bought just about everything that mildly appealed to me. Everybody refines their taste and collection over time which is why it surprises me that veteran collectors still buy bad/cheap/unimportant posters when they don't have to. uhno
I feel like your answer is in your question...this can be surmised about ANYTHING, why people buy what they do. Ultimately, different strokes, different strokes.
Also, I don't think there are really 'mistakes' in terms of purchasing. I consider it paying for one's education.
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I consider it paying for one's education.
Yes. I have paid.
All my stuff is crap.
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I consider myself an archivist and custodian as well as a collector. Sure, some of my Pile-o-Paper™ is in less than pristine condition and may even be crap with a capital C, but it's my job/quest/jollygoodtime to rescue a "Charlie Brown Christmas Tree" on occasion. Does it go in a file cabinet or hiding? Sure, but there it is safe and sound, at least for the time being. Plus, it may be something that I might never see offered again. Just my own form of insanity.
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Yes. I have paid.
All my stuff is crap.
Maybe you are in grad school then. ;)
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I honestly think this person has taken us for a ride. No one, and I really mean NO ONE, can be this stupid, vain and arrogant at the same time.
Check out the work of a week. One week, fellows! I personally think it's marvelous, borderline psychotic, but nevertheless marvelous.
laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1 laugh1
ON FILM
I think 30's Universal horror movies are dreadfully made
I hate Casablanca and detest Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman
Humphrey Bogart is a small boy's idea of a hero and Bergman has to be the plainest looking movie star of the 20th century
I don't like John Wayne films and Westerns
I must add that I sometimes do buy John Wayne titles for a relative who loves him, but I have to resist the urge to vomit after I win the auction
I'm forced to buy Wayne for my relative although like I said, I would rather choke on my own vomit than do so
I also hate James Bond and can't believe anyone would buy anything on those movies
"Notorious" is one of Hitchcock's dullest films
I despise rear-projection and feel it ruined many a classic
Or what I really hate - on location filming for scenes in long and medium shot, then the close-up in front of a rear projection screen back at the studio
After Laurence of Arabia I swore off dull epics in the desert
The 1970's was such a trashy decade all round - the worst of the 20th century in terms of film
Japanese monsters, Universal Horror and 40's Westerns are beneath crap
I'm also not giddy over Grace Kelly and especially not Bardot
ON MONEY
That being said I would never have spent over $150,000 on it like I saw on a Casablanca insert, that's ridiculous
I paid 200 times my top estimate on a piece
I'm 35, no wife, no kid and no mortgage, stable income etc..
I also come from well-off parents and grand-father (trust-fund baby) and I work from home, so I can afford to surf the net when and where I like
My salary per annum is $50,000 tops
I only spend $15,000 a year on movie posters
I was able to use my trust to buy a really nice house and car
I could theoretically use my trust quarterly interest payments to indulge in top of the line posters
I have a large home and lots of wall space
I spend serious money on archival conservation materials
My parent's suburb is filled with period homes
I have a large home and lots of wall space so I don't actually need to store any of my posters away
It is possible to live well, and like being surrounded by beautiful things
My main home is art deco in period
I have an investment property/weekender with nice high ceilings and it's perfect for displaying my collection
ON BEING HUMBLE
Not my opinion, just a fact. I have taste, is all
I would love to post my collection on here but I'm afraid I would give my identity away
To me, that type of behaviour is neurotic but at least I have enough insight to admit it
I don't state my opinion for the benefit of others, I couldn't care less if other people glean anything from my "insights" or not. I express myself for my enjoyment and my enjoyment only, that's all
I consider myself an eloquent writer, quite witty and original
My short time here has generated a lot of discussion, which makes my presence here of more value than some who just come here and criticise others
I'm as energetic and optimistic as I was when I was a teenager
I never resent the generations snapping at my heels and if my niece or nephews when they're older show any interest in my hobby, I'll gladly pass on any info I've gleaned
As a newbie I certainly didn't need validation from anyone regarding my hobby, and I certainly didn't need it from a forum
I won't be changing or modifying who I am for anybody
My mother couldn't shut my mouth when I was two years old, do you think I would respect your authority?
I was brought up to fight back but never instigate anything. That's called breeding
Nothing wrong with being edgy and having a laugh, so long as you aren't malicious, elitist or suffering a chronic disposition of needing to show others "who's boss."
ON COLLECTORS
I am amazed the value people put on certain one-sheets, inserts etc that I think are worthless
I wonder if many movie poster collectors have serious mental problems?
Several people have mentioned how "cool" people are here with others' different interests, however I've been lurking a long time and seen the opposite on these boards
In the two days I have been posting, I have already witnessed silly twits get their knickers in a knot because I won't bid on their auctions
I've never understood why collectors will spend thousands of dollars a year on cheap posters in poor condition
Everybody refines their taste and collection over time which is why it surprises me that veteran collectors still buy bad/cheap/unimportant posters
I have never understood why my generation don't appreciate old films and I certainly don't get why people my age haven't the maturity to see that no great movie has been made for at least 17 years
I don't understand why people generalise that collectors must be superficial and materialistic and not know the difference between looking for happiness inside of them as opposed to outside
Everyone on here seems to think you have to be either black or white
There are many threads on this forum with some terrible collections but I have not given my opinions on them
This "rose-coloured syndrome" people have on this forum, that they are "good" and others are "bad" is incorrect, immature and well, just a little sad
It took me a long time to realise that the movie-poster collecting world is not a place to find and make friends and if you simply stick to collecting, you'll be better off
I made the newbie mistake of thinking the movie poster collecting world was a collaborative hobby where you can interact with others, learn from them and make friends
I have encountered nothing but unpleasant people, and so-called experts have done nothing but take advantage of me and rip me off
It was only after I extricated myself from the "social" side of collecting that I started to enjoy it
There are other hobbies that attract pleasant people - this isn't one of them
This is one club where I am content to have only a guest pass
I couldn't care less if the members here comment on my posters
I disagree with your assertion that there is "a lot of goodwill on this forum." Are you blind? Lordy!
There will be no compromise and neither you nor anybody else is in a position to tell me where and what I should do with my claws
I think some people here have to just accept that they're not likeable people and if they inflict their personality (or lack of one) on others, there will be conflict
ON TOM PENNOCK: There is this douche called "Tom" whose view on life and attitude to collecting was diametrically opposite to mine. He sounded like a crusty, old bore and that's what I despise most about movie-poster collectors. I realised that he wrote what he did in 2006, and by now he's probably dead, I hope so. Suffice to say, the "Tom" I refer to should rot in hell
TO SKYJACKERS: D'uh, are you dyslexic or simply marginally retarded
ON CRAZY VICK: Thanks Vic - my first useful advice from a movie poster collector!
ON ROSA: I like you miro, and think your posts add a lot to this forum, but don't tell me how to behave, okay? The way you have conveniently side-stepped the flaws of some is to be expected. I don't blame you. You are a product of your environment
TO CHRIS: And CSM, ah, so predictable? Why do you wait for a group of others to attack before getting a punch in? Cowardly, so cowardly...
ON MUSLIM TURKS: Ever since I was attacked with a 3 foot long metal wrench in a road-rage incident (he was a Muslim Turk so what do you expect) I no longer hold my tongue when face to face with people
ON AGING
Because I'm quite young, I can't wait until those superannuated dealers who ripped me off as a newbie pass on and their collection is auctioned
One dealer is unlikely to make it through another ten years, and I'll relish the day when I buy his entire collection lock, stock and barrel for a bargain basement price
This is what I hate about "collectors" my age and the only thing I like about the 50+ brigade - at least the old men have taste in posters
The majority of collectors seem to be 50+ year old, disappointed, grumpy old men who resent fresh, young blood
*sniff* I smell 50 plus... *sniff* *sniff*
You're either under 40, when there's still hope, or you're over 80 years old and kicken' up those granny pins
Over-the-hill people take sadistic pleasure in watching the young fail
I always say it like it is - more so since I hit my 30's - just ask my friends!
ON POSTERS
I think the Vertigo one-sheet is terrible
I also can't believe how much "The Man With the Golden Arm" poster commands at auction
No tacky snap-frames or light boxes
I display my posters in a permanent and tasteful way
I don't need to be "convinced" to collect
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I consider myself an archivist and custodian as well as a collector.
exactly!
*and historian
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I honestly think this person has taken us for a ride. No one, and I really mean NO ONE, can be this stupid, vain and arrogant at the same time.
Check out the work of a week. One week, fellows! I personally think it's marvelous, borderline psychotic, but nevertheless marvelous.
Wow, what a fecking character, whoever he is. faint2.gif With a name like Whoopi2007 you had to figure he was going to be trolling. Someone should print T`s post and frame it in one of those "tacky snap-frames."
I kinda of miss Whoopi2007 :'(
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Good work on capturing all those thoughts from 2007Whoopi in one post, T.
Wow.
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the first thing I did when i saw that avatar was to do a goodle image search. and it is a screengrab from Jerry Springer interviewing the most derranged person.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Dqn9HKLWo74
Damn T that was a ton of copy pasting and bolding.
I think they said their goodbyes cuz no one was falling for it.
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Great find there, Jason! thumbsup.gif
He name is Michelle David. She is an actress (was also Miss Luxembourg 1964) and she appeared on Springer a few times, as this character, called Coco.... laugh1
http://www.youtube.com/v/r5Mzh8zcUgw
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Maybe you are in grad school then. ;)
I still have not received my bad buy diploma. :D
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Thierry, did you actually take the time to hack that together? It's cool, but man, it's insane too!
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no wife
Now that part I believe!
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I stopped responding after the racist comment, I don't really care one way or another if someone is being an arsehole, but I have no time for racism (or sexism, homophobia, etc).
even if its not TRUE but just for reaction. its just not funny to me.
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Thierry, did you actually take the time to hack that together? It's cool, but man, it's insane too!
When you have two crying 9 months old at home, trust me, it's a nice distraction.
And it didn't take me that long. Cut and paste... 20 minutes. There was so much material. Easy.
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Like a certain cyborg, he'll be back. Seems to pop up on NS4 or MoPo around full moons, when the loneliness is too much to bear. Can now add APF to his list of surrogate mommies and daddies.
--Peter
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Like a certain cyborg, he'll be back. Seems to pop up on NS4 or MoPo around full moons, when the loneliness is too much to bear. Can now add APF to his list of surrogate mommies and daddies.
--Peter
;D
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The more you post the clearer it becomes who you are. You're really ruining the fun.
You seemed to know who he was, Chris. Can you enlighten us?
T
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You seemed to know who he was, Chris. Can you enlighten us?
T
Was thinking the same myself, if Chris don't know, it sounds like Peter does..
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/VMPF/New%20purchases/trolljegeren_ver2.jpg)
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You seemed to know who he was, Chris. Can you enlighten us?
T
Sci-Fi_Sorcerer?
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Sci-Fi sounds like a real contender there, Chris.
He was from Melbourne.
And kinda defensive in his posts, too, if I recall. eyeroll
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Sci-Fi sounds like a real contender there, Chris.
He was from Melbourne.
And kinda defensive in his posts, too, if I recall. eyeroll
I also hear he has a serious case of dendrophilia.
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Cinemasterpieces for sure. Also FilmPosters store - I know they're fairly well respected but often I've seen a poster sold by Bruce for a nominal amount end up in one of these two stores three weeks later listed at five times the auction price. Do people actually buy from them?
Personally, I like Audrey Hepburn but not enough to buy her posters - especially the "Breakfast at Tiffanys" one sheet which is mostly blank space, very little going on. Star Wars posters are plentiful yet overpriced. Don't get the price of Universal horror posters of the 30's either - or their movies. Don't get the prices of B-grade 1950's science-fiction movies or Marilyn Monroe daybills with bad art.
Don't get the price Australian dealers charge for their posters - ever.
On the other hand, I'm surprised some titles like "A ightmare on Elm Street" aren't commanding higher prices. Great graphics for a modern poster (and poster).
sounds about right
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I also hear has a serious case of dendrophilia.
Wat? Wot wot?
Ps. Googled it now.
Ps2. Speechless.
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I also hear he has a serious case of dendrophilia.
Well... (paper) posters ultimately do come from trees....
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I also hear he has a serious case of dendrophilia.
Well... (paper) posters ultimately do come from trees....
Oh...noooo
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q737/Hope_Emerson/anigif_enhanced-buzz-22572-1374883923-4_zpsnn6pbfcm.gif)
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Wat? Wot wot?
Ps. Googled it now.
Ps2. Speechless.
You must have seen this image?
(http://aliciarebelo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Alicia-Rebelo-Dendrophilia-Finished-1024x713.jpg)
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Sadly.. I did..REALLY... speechless uhno
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Sadly.. I did..REALLY... speechless uhno
Regardless of how many tree's he's made love to in his affluent neighborhood, with all of his unframed posters, im glad he is gone.
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I kinda of miss Whoopi2007 :'(
Has he gone? Seems he still has a live account...??
I had only read about six or seven of his posts and already I had felt sorry for myself. Stopped thereafter.
What was his exit brought about?
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Nothing but his own choice, Simes. And, yes, his account is still active. He has just said that he wont be returning.
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8936.msg164030.html#msg164030
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Nothing but his own choice, Simes. And, yes, his account is still active. He has just said that he wont be returning.
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8936.msg164030.html#msg164030
Hmm I read that as a......"please deactivate my account now".
I say we give the troll what he wants haha.
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Nothing but his own choice, Simes. And, yes, his account is still active. He has just said that he wont be returning.
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8936.msg164030.html#msg164030
Good-o. He was a trifle exhausting.
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Wow. You go away for a weekend and let one's real life have some time...
Everybody has to admit that he was one talented troll. Everyone is sdcdreaming "just a troll", but it didn't stop everyone from grabbing their swords and engaging.
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I resisted the urge :)
For the first time in all my years here I also inquired about how to block individual members! Still don't know if it's possible, but luckily the problem corrected itself.
cheers
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Its great no one fell for his shenanigans. he will be back again lol, but hopefully not. devil 2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s-Kz8S4dYw
>:D >:D
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Its great no one fell for his shenanigans. he will be back again lol, but hopefully not. devil 2
If he comes back, I will be forced to reveal his identity :)
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Jesus Christ?
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Jesus Christ?
Second Coming!
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Gee thanks for scaring him off, now I have to entertain him
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/11700/As-seen-on-another-forum-HELP-NEEDED
;D devil 2 crying girly2.gif :o
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Gee thanks for scaring him off, now I have to entertain him
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/11700/As-seen-on-another-forum-HELP-NEEDED
;D devil 2 crying girly2.gif :o
He should fit right in over there. Eagerly awaiting for the Eric dildo rebuttal sequence to take place...
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God he is an objectionable character...
Wondering if his face bears the bruises of any such face to face encounters?
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one of my favourite sayings from Game of thrones, please excuse the language>
"There's no cure for being a $#@^%" **spoken in a northern accent thumbsup.gif
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Gee thanks for scaring him off, now I have to entertain him
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/11700/As-seen-on-another-forum-HELP-NEEDED
;D devil 2 crying girly2.gif :o
What a twat
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Gee thanks for scaring him off, now I have to entertain him
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/11700/As-seen-on-another-forum-HELP-NEEDED
;D devil 2 crying girly2.gif :o
What a total douche, and his username....lol.
This guy never has anything positive say, he probably lives a sad and pathetic life.
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What a total douche, and his username....lol.
This guy never has anything positive say, he probably lives a sad and pathetic life.
Why is he giving T a hard time with that name when he held back. Holiday is the one that publicly spanked him (to the delight of onlookers no less)
Whoopi2007's parents must have taken "cry it out" to a whole other level...
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A better title for this thread might have been:
Why Do Some Collectors, Like Me, Like to Dish Out A Lot of "Crap?"
'crap' being the definitive word here - and not meaning posters. ;D