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Welcome! => HOW TO JOIN -- READ THIS!!! Plus NEW MEMBER HELLOS and WELCOMES! => Topic started by: holiday on December 18, 2009, 02:16:16 PM
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I can't keep up! Welcome to all!
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Now that I'm here, this forum is going to suck so hard the sides of your computer will cave in!
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Very impressive!
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Wow .. Mel .. I could probably make some money with you .. Im not greedy Id just take 60% off the top .. and I promise your clients would all be nice guys ! :P
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Now that I'm here, this forum is going to suck so hard the sides of your computer will cave in!
Ha, my first post here, four-and-a-half years ago, 7323 posts since then, 4.5 posts a day, hard to believe.
Anyways, it's been fun (mostly) but for various reasons I can't support or contribute to APF anymore, so I'll take a different path in this hobby now.
TTYL
(http://www.posternirvana.com/moviepostercollectors/Z-Diverge.jpg)
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Is this for real?
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Mother of Mercy, is this the end of Mel?
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Does that mean we're getting Adam back?
T
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Is this for real?
I think maybe more surreal.
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Mel is OUTED the door
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Good luck Mel!
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WTF? Pussy. At least you could have gotten tossed out.
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Good luck Mel!
yes.. agree.
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Mel you should do a blog style website
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Hey now you'll have time to find a lady friend who is not offset printed
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Hey now you'll have time to find a lady friend who is not offset printed
Ouch!
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I just got a new member request at NSFGE.
JOKE
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Sorry to see you go, Mel. You've been one of the "good guys," and have done more than a fair share of cool, positive stuff here and at your sites. It's understandable if you need a break, and if you end up not returning here, hope to see you continue your work around the interwebz.
cheers
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I'm really bummed about this. I think Mel added a lot to this forum. Happy trails man :'(
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I am very sorry to hear this Mel. I will miss your resourcefulness and positive energy. Thank you for all the help you have given me on and off forum. Hopefully you will return.
Mark
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Mel, if you are taking a break or re-focusing your life, I wish you the very best.
If you are instead going to a different forum or will be starting your own, be sure to let us know where that is, as I know I, and surely many others, will want to follow your posts there.
Your endless energy and constant posting has been a huge plus for this hobby. I also hope this decision does not mean you will no longer pursue updating your fine website.
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^ everything they said.
Also, thanks for your generosity with free posters and such, some of which I was able to snag. thumbup
Please continue to update your authentication website. I have used it countless times. It is invaluable.
Good luck and hope to see you 'round here again!
cheers
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WTF? Pussy. At least you could have gotten tossed out.
Man, that's funny!
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Seriously, as I said in another post, things change.... people change.... we evolve.... Thierry and I outgrew MPF and started here, and perhaps Mel has outgrown APF and will do his own thing. I don't begrudge anyone their personal choices.
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I am very sorry to see you leaving Mel. I will miss your posts and wit and super energy...
All the best
R
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:( I'm sad to read that Mel, I hope you return swiftly. You will be missed.
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No one ever really leaves the APF.
(Hi Carson).
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As a new member, Mel really made me feel welcome. He was one of the first to reach out to me and introduce himself. Also, he's offereded up his experience and even some free posters.
Whatever is going on, I wish you well. You're a big part of why I log in every day :)
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WTF? Pussy. At least you could have gotten tossed out.
No one ever really leaves the APF.
(Hi Carson).
Most apt points here.
Mel just wants to use the Mid Auction thread from the dark side...
I just hope that this is because his new lady friend is a dominatrix and Mel is begging for paper cuts... bed1
NTTIAWWT... :)
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And now I notice that Mel has disassociated his images from, I'm guessing, all of the threads on APF, which is a rather dick move of the 'I'm taking my ball and going home' variety....
Reminds me of Randy's temper tantrum exit from NSFGE...
(Hi Randy).
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Someone sent me this text last night (which I am posting with his/her approval). I couldn't agree more.
All so ludicrous... What got him so bent outa shape? That people were questioning his outing auctions and feeding him some criticism, like he has done to so many others?
Talk about two faced behavior... he can dish it but not take it?
Whatever...LOL...
T
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And now I notice that Mel has disassociated his images from, I'm guessing, all of the threads on APF, which is a rather dick move of the 'I'm taking my ball and going home' variety....
Reminds me of Randy's temper tantrum exit from NSFGE...
(Hi Randy).
I guess APF and its members are no longer "worthy" of the elite, 5 star collection of images. ;)
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I guess APF and its members are no longer "worthy" of the elite, 5 star collection of images.
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Just join LAMP...
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Now that's funny!!!
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I guess APF and its members are no longer "worthy" of the elite, 5 star collection of images. ;)
I never understood what that meant.
T
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I am only annoyed that this hurts the newbies (who Mel purported to want to help) who wander in and have to try to make sense of now partially-to-fully incomprehensible posts and threads...
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And now I notice that Mel has disassociated his images from, I'm guessing, all of the threads on APF,
I am actually surprised by that.
Im hoping he will get over it and put it all back up. What was so bad for him to go to those lengths?
We all have good days and bad days but this is all in good fun.
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Whatever. Some people are just going to be dicks whether they realize it or not. Look at me....
As far as Mel, it's a flash in the pan. Here today, gone tomorrow. It doesn't really matter. The presumption is that by leaving and by taking down his hosted images, that we will actually remember and care. Trust me, 30 days from now, no one will care, and 6 months from now, no one will care to remember.
We have the most effect on the world in our own mind. To the rest of the world, we are quite small.
ommmmmmm..........
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Fugazi!!! Fairy dust!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTHlXb0PXh4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTHlXb0PXh4)
T
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Look at me....
Not like we have a choice...you have had that avatar up there for months, you ugly fuck.
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Not like we have a choice...you have had that avatar up there for months, you ugly fuck.
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nice. fuckers.
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nice. fuckers.
I can't say I disagree.
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And now I notice that Mel has disassociated his images from, I'm guessing, all of the threads on APF, which is a rather dick move of the 'I'm taking my ball and going home' variety....
Reminds me of Randy's temper tantrum exit from NSFGE...
(Hi Randy).
Not this Randy though right Archie? I was never a member of NSFGE. Mel thanks for all your contributions. Good luck to you man.
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No. Another randy. To be honest Mel always reminded me of the other randy (randy p)
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At least Mel didn't threaten to kill anyone on his way out the door... Randy (rkpeterson) did always have a certain way with words.
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I swear they based the 40 year old virgin on him. (I love you really randy)
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I swear they based the 40 year old virgin on him. (I love you really randy)
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gun1 gun2
cool1
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So what name will mel be using when he comes back? or has he already come back? mesmrized
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So what name will mel be using when he comes back? or has he already come back? mesmrized
You know, I can accept a lot of stuff and I welcome anyone who leaves the forum for whatever reason to come back and participate. Charlie did and it certainly shows class. In the case of Mel, though, I can't say that I do. Taking down his pictures was the lowest and most hypocritical move I've ever seen from anyone in a long time and it certainly shows a lack of maturity and integrity, which doesn't surprises me, to be honest. Especially coming from someone used to say that he wants to reach out to newbies and help the hobby. What a joke.
So to answer your question, no, Mel is not welcome here anymore. How that's for integrity?
T
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So to answer your question, no, Mel is not welcome here anymore. How that's for integrity?
T
I have never questioned it.
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Really a shame. I go to these places for relaxation and entertainment. I have no desire to present my passport at each armed camp in order to read posts about how all the other forums are full of bitchy little girls. At this point I see all the forums as dead or dying.
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Really a shame. I go to these places for relaxation and entertainment. I have no desire to present my passport at each armed camp in order to read posts about how all the other forums are full of bitchy little girls. At this point I see all the forums as dead or dying.
I don't think this is fair. In any environment such as this, there will be a statistical few who tend to put things out of order. Similarly, there are a statistical few who see things as you do -- that it spells doom for the whole. However, the majority of us know that these things are simply ripples through the overall community, and that we recover just fine from them. The only distasteful part of this, frankly, is that Mel saw fit to remove all of his posted pictures which was nothing more or less than a childishly spiteful move -- taking his ball and leaving the playground as someone else observed.
This is not an armed camp, and we don't require passports. And, I don't think this forum is full of bitchy little girls. Actually, I think this forum is chock full of useful information from new to advanced collectors alike. We are not here to help you relax. We are not here to entertain you. We are here to discuss our mutual collecting interests as they relate to the movies and its ephemera.
As we say from time to time, all are free to come and go as they please. If the place does not suit you, then move along as Mel has, but do so with grace rather than the retribution Mel has engaged in.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments here, Holiday. The same goes with T's comment.
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I would agree with Jay that it's quite amazing how much in-fighting there can be amongst people with a common passion. After all, this is all we are. We are collectors and dealers. And yet we still manage to create pathetic little wars. I guess it makes us human.
T
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Although in this case I'm not sure what the fight is exactly. Just the mid auction stuff ?
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Disagreements are fine and are what makes us all individuals; we all have our opinions and can (and should) be able to share them without fear or worry of repercussion from others, especially in the same hobby setting. Debate and discussion are always good and healthy things.
But seemingly acting vindictive, out of spite, however, is a whole other matter, altogether.
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Although in this case I'm not sure what the fight is exactly. Just the mid auction stuff ?
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I still have no idea why mel douche bagged like that.
Maybe cause he is a fucking douchebag?
All I got.
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Hey at least with Mel pulling all "his" pics those old arguments about the ethics of removing watermarks from photos are now moot!
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Hey at least with Mel pulling all "his" pics those old arguments about the ethics of removing watermarks from photos are now moot!
Bright side?
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these things are simply ripples through the overall community, and that we recover just fine from them.
I agree.
Mel saw fit to remove all of his posted pictures which was nothing more or less than a childishly spiteful move
Do you know that is the reason Mel removed the images he shared here? One possible reason is that he was harassed about not citing image sources, and other issues with sharing images, and he may have just wanted to move on from this place, without the baggage of possibly dealing with people continuing to challenge him about his practices with sharing images, and it was just easier for him to delete everything and move on. I haven't spoken with him about it, but one could speculate a myriad of reasons why he removed the images. Not having the images in the threads does mess up some of the content, but he did contribute a lot of cool, interesting, and informative content here over the years, much more than most people, and the scathing remarks are uncalled for, IMO.
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Well put Brandon.
A plea if I may. Could we lock this thread and move on please?
H&T have taken a view and made a decision about Mel on any future prospect of re-joining the forum. So some of the ongoing commentary about Mel is inappropriate now that he has left. He is no longer here to present his case. And only Mel knows why he did what he did. For all that we know, he could have had a genuine good motive to do so.
And let me be clear. Holiday is absolutely right in pointing that the manner of his departure was not very gracious to say the least. Clearly his act disrupted the forum. No question about that. But we should have the confidence to being able to fill in those gaps with in-depth knowledge and shared appreciation for this hobby. There's plenty of that left in here!
There are lots of new members that deserve our attention and plenty of poster talk that merits our time and dedication in this fab forum. So let’s crack on with that.. Shall we?
Rosa
Ps - And thank you H&T for having me in here. You should know how much I have learnt since I joined – though not all necessarily about posters!
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I think you all miss my point. What once was one is now split into three or four. Many of the most prolific posters are gone from here. I simply don't see how this has become a better place because of it.
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H&T have taken a view and made a decision about Mel on any future prospect of re-joining the forum. So some of the ongoing commentary about Mel is inappropriate now that he has left. He is no longer here to present his case. And only Mel knows why he did what he did. For all that we know, he could have had a genuine good motive to do so.
It sure didn't stop Mel from engaging in this activity on MPF when people could no longer respond (and not of their own volition). In this case, Mel chose to leave, so what does it matter that he can no longer present his case? It's his own darn fault.
I disagree that 'only Mel knows why'. If he had just removed personal images from his 'Zany' thread and the like then that would be one thing, but he removed all his images in a pouting fit to be disruptive, make a scene, and try to prove some 'point'.
Hopefully, he'll put together that Expresso Beans for Movie Posters that this hobby desperately needs, but that still doesn't change the fact that doing what he did does not help the noobs who come through APF.
I think you all miss my point. What once was one is now split into three or four. Many of the most prolific posters are gone from here. I simply don't see how this has become a better place because of it.
I agree. This hobby needs a hub not more spokes...
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It sure didn't stop Mel from engaging in this activity on MPF when people could no longer respond (and not of their own volition). In this case, Mel chose to leave, so what does it matter that he can no longer present his case? It's his own darn fault.
I disagree that 'only Mel knows why'. If he had just removed personal images from his 'Zany' thread and the like then that would be one thing, but he removed all his images in a pouting fit to be disruptive, make a scene, and try to prove some 'point'.
i agree with Archie, Rosa. Plus, locking threads is not something we like and want to do. I started a poll about the mid-auction thread because I know it was annoying a lot of members and I wanted to have some sort of discussion about it. The results are not pointing in any direction, so we'll probably leave the thread open for the time being.
Now, as far as Mel is concerned, I see no reasons for him to defend himself. Actions speak louder than words and I don't believe for a moment that he removed his pictures for any other reasons than pure kindergarten spite. Which is fine. It is his prerogative. He doesn't owe us anything. I think it hurts newbies more than anyone else, but we'll rebuild and move on. On a personal note, I can tell you I'll be very happy not to see his apartment anymore. It kind of freaked me out a little.
T
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I can tell you I'll be very happy not to see his apartment anymore. It kind of freaked me out a little.
so does that mean I shouldn't post pictures of mine?
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c390/comicartcom/LondonDungeon_EM030_zpsd30b626f.jpg)
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I like the spike effect. ;D
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Thanks for reading my post and thank you for responding T and Archie. I really appreciate you taking the time to look into this. I understand. No further comments from me about this.
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so does that mean I shouldn't post pictures of mine?
I like it better. Blood doesn't scare me, people do.
T
What is that, btw?
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I like the spike effect. ;D
What is that, btw?
both comments get the same response.......
movie viewing room.............
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Although the images aren't there for future novices interested in learning about this stuff, there is still a lot of good content that he contributed here. Considering the amount of positive stuff he's done, the issue about the deleted images is not a big deal, IMO.
Hopefully, he'll put together that Expresso Beans for Movie Posters that this hobby desperately needs
An EB site for originals would be cool, but I disagree that there is a "desperate need" for it.
On a personal note, I can tell you I'll be very happy not to see his apartment anymore. It kind of freaked me out a little.
It's like an epic art gallery for original posters. What freaks you out about it?
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It's like an epic art gallery for original posters. What freaks you out about it?
I removed my entire post. I can't answer your question without being mean. Sorry.
T
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I agree with you, Rosa. I don't think it's right to say a bunch of nasty stuff about people who can't defend themselves, especially when the talk is purely speculative.
I just want to add this one thought. It will be brief and isn't speculation. Last Friday, when mel posted his final post, he also PM'd us and told us to de-activate his account that same day. If you all notice, up to now, his account has still been active. The reasoning not to do so immediately was twofold. First, that once mel had a little time to think it all over, he might decide to stay and continue with apf, after maybe a brief "time out."
And second - considering the "image removal" discussion going on here, mel has had the opportunity and ability to defend or explain this action, if he chose to. In these last 4 days, he could have quickly logged onto APF, and said his peace, with regard to the picture removal, since he didnt mention he was going to do this in last Friday's post (the pics were gone sometime on Saturday). And even if he has been here as a "guest," he could have read this thread and been aware of this ongoing discussion.
Instead, he has chosen not to respond, nor to end any speculation as to why he pulled the images. And that has been his choice. His action must then speak for itself.
As T said, doing this was his prerogative. But I wanted to say that no one nor any action from APF has barred him from defending his position. That silence & lack of any defense falls on him alone.
And know too, that his account will be closed since that was what he told us he wanted done, especially since it appears that he will not be returning. By explaining that here, no one can then say it was done to prohibit him from responding, in the future.
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I just want to add this one thought. It will be brief and isn't speculation. Last Friday, when mel posted his final post, he also PM'd us and told us to de-activate his account that same day. If you all notice, up to now, his account has still been active. The reasoning not to do so immediately was twofold. First, that once mel had a little time to think it all over, he might decide to stay and continue with apf, after maybe a brief "time out."
And second - considering the "image removal" discussion going on here, mel has had the opportunity and ability to defend or explain this action, if he chose to. In these last 4 days, he could have quickly logged onto APF, and said his peace, with regard to the picture removal, since he didnt mention he was going to do this in last Friday's post (the pics were gone sometime on Saturday). And even if he has been here as a "guest," he still could have read this thread and been aware of it.
Instead, he has chosen not to respond, nor to end any speculation as to why he pulled the images. And that has been his choice. His action must then speak for itself.
As T said, doing this was his prerogative. But I wanted to say that no one nor any action from APF has barred him from defending his position. That silence & lack of any defense falls on him alone.
And know too, that his account will be closed since that was what he told us he wanted done, especially since it appears that he will not be returning. By explaining that here, no one can then say it was done to prohibit him from responding, in the future.
I deleted the comment that you were replying to before you replied, but thanks for the info., Jeff.
Although the facts you mentioned above are not speculative, the whole talk about Mel deleting those images out of spite, etc. appear to be purely speculative, as no one has actually provided any evidence that he deleted those images with any kind of bad intention.
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Although the facts you mentioned above are not speculative, the whole talk about Mel deleting those images out of spite, etc. appear to be purely speculative, as no one has actually provided any evidence that he deleted those images with any kind of bad intention.
I wonder if he could sue APF for slander.
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I deleted the comment that you were replying to before you replied, but thanks for the info., Jeff.
Although the facts you mentioned above are not speculative, the whole talk about Mel deleting those images out of spite, etc. appear to be purely speculative, as no one has actually provided any evidence that he deleted those images with any kind of bad intention.
You're welcome, Brandon. I just wanted to help lay something solid here. As we know, others have left APF recently, for their own various reasons. But none of those people chose to walk away with their photos under their arm.
I simply mention this, to show that while others have also moved on, they chose to leave their info and/or pics intact.
Again, anyone can do as they see fit and that includes expressing displeasure over an action that was seen by many, as disruptive to the forum, as a whole.
Ever forward. :)
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I admire your energy, Jeff.
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Although the facts you mentioned above are not speculative, the whole talk about Mel deleting those images out of spite, etc. appear to be purely speculative, as no one has actually provided any evidence that he deleted those images with any kind of bad intention.
His intention is irrelevant. I am going to credit Mel for knowing exactly what he was doing.
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You're welcome, Brandon. I just wanted to help lay something solid here. As we know, others have left APF recently, for their own various reasons. But none of those people chose to walk away with their photos under their arm.
I simply mention this, to show that while others have also moved on, they chose to leave their info and/or pics intact.
Again, anyone can do as they see fit and that includes expressing displeasure over an action that was seen by many, as disruptive to the forum, as a whole.
Ever forward. :)
That's certainly the politically correct way to put it, which is not how this whole issue, and many other issues have unfolded here...
Ever forward, indeed. thumbup
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Oh well...no more arbitrary digital restorations of posters that looked just fine in their vintage, used state
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I think you all miss my point. What once was one is now split into three or four. Many of the most prolific posters are gone from here. I simply don't see how this has become a better place because of it.
Prolific is not necessarily good. I have prolific shits from time to time but they are still shit. If the point of the prolific posts is to stir the shit, then it's useless.
Consider this: shattered glass sparkles in the sunlight. Being split into group, if that is indeed true, isn't a bad thing or a good thing. It just is.
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We have the most effect on the world in our own mind. To the rest of the world, we are quite small.
Ain't that the truth.
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Prolific is not necessarily good. I have prolific shits from time to time but they are still shit.
If I ever write a screenplay I'm stealing that line! clap clap clap
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I thought he was quoting Mamet...
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Does that mean we're getting Adam back?
T
YES!!!
I have missed this place in terms of talking about posters and helping others.
Since another forum has been built things have started to change around here for the better which is great as most poster collectors who frequent the poster forums use this one.
I think one or two mentioned Mel exuded much positive energy and that he was one of the good guys??? Really??? Mel may have done some good, but he also instigated a lot of crap on this forum and outside of it (that doesn't include me!). And yet, he is still attacking this forum on his new Facebook page - he even deleted some stuff, but has left one comment I think about APF which goes like this "Don't go there..." or words to that effect.
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YES!!!
I have missed this place in terms of talking about posters and helping others.
Since another forum has been built things have started to change around here for the better which is great as most poster collectors who frequent the poster forums use this one.
Oh no! you are back! lol :) just in time for your Vectis Auctions too. Vectis has been nice to have here btw. Have you finished helping that unnamed auctionhouse with their new dept.?
you inspired me to buy a bond poster, New York Subway for Moonraker, its a start :/
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Nice to see you back, Adam.
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I think one or two mentioned Mel exuded much positive energy and that he was one of the good guys??? Really??? Mel may have done some good, but he also instigated a lot of crap on this forum and outside of it (that doesn't include me!). And yet, he is still attacking this forum on his new Facebook page - he even deleted some stuff, but has left one comment I think about APF which goes like this "Don't go there..." or words to that effect.
Holiday and I have defended Mel against so many forum members over the years. Of course, there was you, Adam, and your lengthy emails, but also people emailing us and telling us that they would not participate as long as he was around. Since Mel was such an active presence and also because our forum had yet to stand on its two feet, I was always a little worried about cutting him loose. In retrospect and in view of his recent behavior, it was probably a mistake. Ah... live and learn.
T
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Now, onward to give certain dealers the boot...
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Now, onward to give certain dealers the boot...
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You love it. :)
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You love it. :)
He sure does!
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I love you, you love me, we're a happy family
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It's not about giving anyone, members or dealers, any kind of "the boot." That's not what it's about here. People can come and go as they please, this we all know.
As T said a week ago, discussion presenting opposing points of view is fine, but keep it civil. And I might add that it isnt about fighting, goading or prompting others to engage in a fight or having to defend themselves, from direct commentary or insinuation. Everyone is entitled to present their viewpoints.. we are, after all, all part of the movie poster hobby, whether as sellers, dealers or collectors.
Instigation does nothing but create a negative atmosphere. And as H said a while back, wont be tolerated. It serves no purpose. No one is given the ultimate boot, but as H said, assigned "time outs" are always a possibility.
This isnt a Kumbaya moment, but it certainly is a hell of a lot more fun to be here without the added muck being slung around.
I think most would agree.
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I love you, you love me, we're a happy family
http://www.youtube.com/v/ZQlM59sDJVo
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welcome1 back Adam. Yippie-yo. Moving forward now, hopefully.
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welcome1 back Adam. Yippie-yo. Moving forward now, hopefully.
Tho Adam has been MIA for a long time, now, too.
People fly in, then fly out again, it seems.
coffee