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Common Poster Subjects => The Dealer/Auction House/Seller/Buyer Round Table => Topic started by: wonka on April 06, 2010, 09:57:58 PM
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I know this is nothing new, but the fact that both transactions of the same title from Dave's end (both buying and selling) are so closely listed and accessible on ebay...well, its both interesting and entertaining.
I don't know what is crazier, that our man Dave can flip these at the price he does or that someone is either that lazy or paranoid about getting a real lock and stock original Casino Royale DS. To be honest, I would argue the latter is a bit more inane for sure.
BUY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310203916631 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310203916631)
SELL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350002402415 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350002402415)
Dave you found a dream customer here...is he a repeat buyer?
Do you mind if I contact browserbret33 about how I have other styles of Watchmen, Casino Royale, and Batman Begins I would gladly sell him for, uh, less? Just kidding, I think we actually get money back on our taxes this year (!), so I won't steal your sunshine.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2698/4498866046_a17d404990_b.jpg)
Congrats on the Episode 2, must be a Star Wars fan hoping he was born with some Midi-chlorians he/she is confident will surface soon.
And to conclude my nosiness (sorry), any chance we can hear the Godfather 3 story? Thanks, Dave.
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That is pretty damned spectacular.
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Why is Dave so difficult to deal with?
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I am impressed that within the space of 11 days, Dave:
- purchased it on Ebay Mar-08-10 13:26:29 PST
- received the poster, photographed & listed it, ran the auction, sold it, shipped it out to the buyer
- Buyer receives it, buyer provided feedback on Mar-19-10 22:38
Dave knows his business!
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That is all generated by my lighting fast shipping and perfect packaging !
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Yup, I was going to say, we are ignoring Dale who was the root of Dave's success. Well done, both of you!
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Yes, definitely, big credit to you Dale to send it out so quick and package well enough to maintain its NM condition.
Daves fancy auction page certainly looks impressive, eye catching, nice colors, well designed. Even if he stretches the truth somewhat:
"A long time can go by without one of these coming up for sale."
How about 11 days!
Could also be auction timing or how long it ran... I don't know... Maybe it was up for 2 days max, not enough for 2nd thoughts, I don't know what happened. Possibly putting the condition in the auction title... Maybe it is time for some close analysis of the magic formula!!!
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The best analysis of this is to examine the words of P.T. Barnum.
But more power to Dave! There are jewelry stores and clothing stores that charge sky high prices for items that could be found elsewhere for much less, and they stay in business and many prosper. Dave has tapped into that magic customer base that says "price is not object".
Bruce
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Daves fancy auction page certainly looks impressive, eye catching, nice colors, well designed. Even if he stretches the truth somewhat:
"A long time can go by without one of these coming up for sale."
How about 11 days!
Yes, thank you for mentioning this little sales tactic, I forgot to mention it.
"A long time", that is something...in this case it should read "There are dozens on ebay right now for 10-20 bucks but you want THIS one".
Bruce, that is a great metaphor in this case, Dave is PT Barnum for sure. And like Barnum, Dave makes money selling sensationalism, but now via paper with imagery on it. Clowns on a trapeze = posters now.
Another thing to consider is these people that buy material that they can get anywhere after literally one minute of research for over a hundered less. Peace of mind on a Jaws insert, yes, but peace of mind on Watchmen? Scent of a Woman? Casino Royale? People amaze me in this regard.
I wonder if this buyer read the feedback between the Dave/Dale connection on his poster and what he thinks...
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dammit.. you mean I could have bought that poste for $19.99 and saved $130.01???
jeez.. I need to do more research before I buy posters..
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I can't find the exact quote but I recall an interview with one of the bazillionaire Google founders. When asked about why he always flew first class, he said, "the price is irrelevant."
I guess the price is irrelevant to some buyers but finding bargains is half the fun of collecting....
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Have to agree with David on this one as he famously says: "you people will never get it".
Mildly disgruntled collector on forum vents/sneers at seller for making a high profit without the foggiest as to the buyers logic for buying.
Seller keeps selling to people wanting to buy.
And the world keeps turning.
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Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside
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There behind a glass
stands a real blade of grass...
and a long time can pass
before you see one of these...and in this condition...
Great work Dave. ;D
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Have to agree with David on this one as he famously says: "you people will never get it".
Mildly disgruntled collector on forum vents/sneers at seller for making a high profit without the foggiest as to the buyers logic for buying.
Seller keeps selling to people wanting to buy.
And the world keeps turning.
The logic for buying doesn't matter, the subject is more about a common poster going for much more than it is (and probably ever will be) worth just because it is sold via Cinemasters.
Dave selling a Vertigo one sheet for thousands more than what most would spend isn't even worthy of forum discussion, but the scarcity mirage laced on top of an incredibly common and easily obtainable Casino Royale DS, and working in a resulting profit, is.
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It's one thing if he was knowingly selling a counterfeit poster as authentic, but he wasn't. At some point people have to start taking responsibility for their actions. If the buyer(s) are dropping $100-200+ on posters, then they should research what they're spending their money on. We're in the internet age. It's not like someone can't go to Google and find links to forums, emovieposter's & HA's archives, or even eBay's auction results page. Paying way more than FMV for movie paper, with the exception of when there isn't data available, is on the buyer and not the seller.
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I agree, Angelo.
It's a good discussion, both the buyer responsibility to an extent, but its amazing how Dave does this all day.
Is there another seller/dealer who can get over $150 on Watchmen?
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It is the mentality of the buyer. I had a Batman Begins advance listed quite sometime ago for 59 or 79 can't remember, but I got a mail stating a competitor had the title for 250 and thus implying there must be something wrong with mine. I told them I could raise my price if that would make them feel better!
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It's one thing if he was knowingly selling a counterfeit poster as authentic, but he wasn't. At some point people have to start taking responsibility for their actions. If the buyer(s) are dropping $100-200+ on posters, then they should research what they're spending their money on. We're in the internet age. It's not like someone can't go to Google and find links to forums, emovieposter's & HA's archives, or even eBay's auction results page. Paying way more than FMV for movie paper, with the exception of when there isn't data available, is on the buyer and not the seller.
Bang on...
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Dave can do what Dave wants.. as long as he isn't stealing, perpetuating fraud or driving my car.. I don't care what he does.
concerning prices.
what do youthink is a fair dealer to dealer ratio?
if I go to Food 4 Less and but a bag of pistacios, it was $2.99
at Smiths it was $5.99 and at Vons it was $6.99
same pistacios. I wonder what they cost on Rodeo Drive..
are Smiths & Vons stealing??
nope.
but I bought my pistacios at Food 4 Less
everyone has the information at hand, if they choose to look for it
people can spend their own money as they wish
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But can it be a long time before those Von's pistachios come up for sale?
laugh laugh laugh
Bruce
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just a quick note...
why do we keep that line "a long time can go by" in our listings?
a few reasons:
-it gives the extremely few irritable disgruntled collectors something to complain about (other than ebay). :-*
-technically....its a true statement.....we are saying "CAN"........which means it is possible. We are not saying "HAS" or "WILL".
-its in our ebay auction template, and I usually don't even think about it anymore when I do a new listing.....and on the seldom occasion when I DO happen to think about it and possibly deleting it....I smile and remember the small percentage of collectors that it bothers so I leave it in there just to irritate them because they deserve to be irritated....(just a little). ;)
-if anyone thinks that that sentence is the "tipping point" that convinces a buyer to buy something from us when they otherwise wouldn't have, they are crazy. There are a million other things we do that enable us to achieve our high prices. I guarantee you that even if I did remove that line we would still sell just as many posters at our higher than average prices. How do I know this? Because we sell more from CineMasterpieces.com than we do on ebay.....and we do not use that line at CineMasterpieces.com on 99.99% of the posters listed there.
Honestly, I probably would have removed it from the template long ago.....but now I keep it in there just because it amuses me.
;D
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haha, I had kind of figured as much dave. I think next time I run an auction on ebay, I am going to say, "there exists a chance in the numeric region than zero but less than one hundred that an extended temporal duration may occur before you once again find this sample of cinematic ephemera available."
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Hey, exaggeration has ALWAYS been part of the American way of selling.
Remember when Ricardo Montalban told us that the 1976 Chrysler Cordoba had "rich Corinthian leather"? "Corinthian" did not actually indicate any relationship with the town of Corinth, nor any specific type of leather and was added simply to make the leather (and the car) sound better.
Did the American people care? Heck, no. Chrysler sold tons of those cars and went on to be one of the foremost American car dealers (although of course they eventually went bankrupt, because people finally chose substance over promise, but that took decades).
No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public (or over-estimating its gullibility), and Dave won't either. He has a very successful business model, and anyone who doesn't like it is probably just jealous!
Bruce
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Dave is a good friend.. But when it comes to that one line - he sucks. It's a term that should be reserved for situations WHEN IT IS PLAINLY AND NOT "EVER-SO-SLIGHTLY MATHEMATICALLY POSSIBLE"
In Texas Hold-em, it is possible to flop a Royal Flush if you are holding the AK of Hearts.
Math does support that statement. But a correct statement would be "When holding AK of Hearts, the probability of flopping a Royal Flush iis 65,000-1".
when Dave has such a line in any listing for a truly difficult item to locate, or to locate in THAT condition - I think it's fair and honest. But to be putting such a line in any other listing I think is misleading to at least some small portion of potential buyers and seeing as I have no wish to mislead anyone under any circumstances (excluding when great bodily harm or death looms), I would not put any such statement in my listings..
But I think it hurts Dave more than he thinks it helps, or is humorous to him. For instance, how many people won't buy from him because of the line? Or what it does to his online rep.
Dave should just remove it.. but he can do what he wishes. He is after all selling Casino Royal posters for $155 and I'm not!!
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It is the mentality of the buyer. I had a Batman Begins advance listed quite sometime ago for 59 or 79 can't remember, but I got a mail stating a competitor had the title for 250 and thus implying there must be something wrong with mine.
It is exactly what I would have thought a few months ago when I started out. This is one tough racket for a newbie.
For a newb or anyone else for that matter poster shopping on Ebay is not so easy. They see Cinemasterpieces as a trusted dealer. The one they are sure of. CM has written the only helpful guides that the newb has read so far so when he sees that they are listing the same poster for $100 to $200 more its only natural for them to assume that the far far less expensive poster is a fugazi. After all "If its too good to be true"...
It takes experience with time, ALOT of research and a few failures along the way to be able to with some success sort through all the crap involved with poster collecting.
P.S. Thanks Dale for the link to this forum in your Ebay emails :)...I love the posters too!
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Each time I read Dave's statement in his listing:
"A long time can go by without one of these coming up for sale."
I feel this:
- That I've just been lied to or have again had attempted to be misled - to me 'can' is clearly seen as a blatant escape clause (thus the statement means nothing), not something I would not notice and later argue over semantics...
- Do I trust anything else said in the advert or seen on the rest of the page?... I often look for a reason on a page not to trust someone, be it one feedback comment or whatever.
- Would I trust this person, for example would I risk going and investigating his website?
- I feel sorry for newbs, (like I once was) who make a decision by trusting what they read and seeing a flashy page design to support their decision of trust.
As a separate matter regarding the big markup,
- Would the buyer buy again from the seller once they realise they had been fleeced and thus they can't trust the seller to do fair deals. People like to trust a seller, they don't necessarily want to do hours of research. Would they bad mouth the site/seller on blogs, facebook everywhere...?, especially if the extra money paid would have made a big difference in their lives?
Looking at the buyers profile, he has only a feedback of 41, the first poster purchase being a repro print from another seller, and the second poster purchase, Dave, being a true original movie poster dealer.
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Legally, it's just "puffery" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery) - not-to-be-taken-seriously hype - "the world's greatest pizza," "you won't find a better deal," etc.
Y'all need to take a few puffs of some good stuff and chill....
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Is THAT what happens to your skin when you smoke too much of the sticky-icky-icky?
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Yup. She's really only 25 :o
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Legally, it's just "puffery" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery) - not-to-be-taken-seriously hype - "the world's greatest pizza," "you won't find a better deal," etc.
Puffery Mel?...I clicked the link. ...Puffery....such that no reasonable person would take them literally
So you are saying that most people who shop on ebay for movie posters are that knowledgable about movie posters that they would know that Cinemasterpieces was just making stuff up?...Interesting.
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Zorba.. one thing is that buyers do have to take responsibility for themselves. Like Mel said "world's best pizza". If I believed every pizzaria that had such a claim on the window, I'd be trying to figure out which of the 10s of thousands of pizza parlors is the real #1 & which are all the #2s. newbie or not, it is the buyer's responsibilty to find the knowledge that educates. Dave's items are listed at what's called "retail prices". If you go to most any brick and mortar "gallery format" poster store, the prices are probably about the same. Just because the items are listed on the net as well doesn't change that fact. If you want Casino Royale right now, and want to be sure of getting an original, Dave is providing that service. If you want to get educated and find Dale.. that's on you, not Dave.
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The pizzerias show the statement because it generates income for them. Otherwise they would use the advertising space for other income generating stuff like their specials or whatever. Lying clearly works. A pizza is a convenience purchase, not something you do a thorough investigation of and that advantage is taken from some individuals.
Difference is that only Dave is making that claim, not other dealers (except for one eBay copy cat). It is one of many supportive informations in his advertisement. If Christies said something was rare, but others were being regularly sold on their premises, or down the road, their reputation would surely be damaged. I am sure they wouldn't be so stupid...
I agree the buyer should shop around for price, if they are interested in saving some money, but to be lied to (eg of it's rarity) is something completely different.
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.. one thing is that buyers do have to take responsibility for themselves. ..
Exactly. Everyone has to accept responsibility for their own actions and if you are a new entrant to a hobby you need to educate yourself. You learn from your mistakes. When I started collecting seriously 15 years ago I bought a lot of new-release posters over a one or two year period from one of the most knowledgeable poster dealers there is. I gradually realised I could buy the same posters much cheaper elsewhere but I didn't consider I had been ripped off. Quite the reverse - I considered the dealer my mentor - he was incredibly helpful in answering my questions and I gained invaluable knowledge and confidence.
Good luck to Dave. He's got a great business model and a great website. I never buy any of his fixed price items because I personally don't want to pay the money he asks but I do participate in his 99 cent start auctions. His customer service is exemplary.
Christies - I've been going to their poster sales and previews in London since they started and they routinely misdescribe lots. Their reputation isn't damaged.
Mark
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Zorba.. one thing is that buyers do have to take responsibility for themselves. Like Mel said "world's best pizza". If I believed every pizzaria that had such a claim on the window, I'd be trying to figure out which of the 10s of thousands of pizza parlors is the real #1 & which are all the #2s. newbie or not, it is the buyer's responsibilty to find the knowledge that educates. Dave's items are listed at what's called "retail prices". If you go to most any brick and mortar "gallery format" poster store, the prices are probably about the same. Just because the items are listed on the net as well doesn't change that fact. If you want Casino Royale right now, and want to be sure of getting an original, Dave is providing that service. If you want to get educated and find Dale.. that's on you, not Dave.
With most of that I agree. Cinemasterpieces is like the online 7-11 of original posters. If you want an original and cant be bothered or are too lazy to research your purchase they are the quick and easy way to be sure you get one.
I just do not agree that the line in question is puffery as defined.
Just to be sure where Im coming from. I see most of you know each other one way or another and Im not trying to be a pain in the ass. I do not begrude anyone making money on posters or onything else for that matter. Its called business. It would be hard to run a business selling things at cost. Im not afterall a communist and I do believe in a free market.
Im just posting as a poster collecting rookie who has made many a mistake the last few months.
Even with hours of research I have made dumb mistakes. This is why Im glad I found this board along with a couple of others like it. Its a great tool in my poster buying quest. Alot of information and experience to be had.
This thread in itself has been very helpful. It has affirmed all the time I have spent on research was not wasted as I have yet to buy a pizza for $200.
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I know where you are coming from Zorba.
And I see the other side of it. I see people coming to me with items to consign, and I sometimes have to explain to them that they overpaid by a factor of ten, and they are really sad, and they become a little more cynical, and a lot less trusting.
Some people think that "Buyer Beware" is the way of the world, and some don't.
Me, I like sleeping well at night. I know there are next-to-no collectors or consignors out there who have the slightest negative thing to say about me, and I am proud of that.
To each his own.
Bruce
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So, Zorba...as a self-professed rookie who has learned some tough lessons since entering the hobby and has found this forum (and others) helpful, keep on asking the questions. We'll help steer you in the right direction by dispelling myths, discouraging bad purchases, authentication, etc. etc.
Dave has a different business model than Bruce and Rich and others. And, like Mark says, his 99 cent auctions are outstanding. He doesn't misrepresent his items, he continues to hone his reputation by offering a wide selection of beautiful posters and providing excellent customer service.
And lately -- on Ebay -- a long time can go by before before you can find a seller like Dave, in any condition...
(especially since Bruce and Rich left). 8)
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Difference is that only Dave is making that claim, not other dealers (except for one eBay copy cat). It is one of many supportive informations in his advertisement. If Christies said something was rare, but others were being regularly sold on their premises, or down the road, their reputation would surely be damaged. I am sure they wouldn't be so stupid...
Without any tone or wise guy attitude, 50's, may I ask honestly how long you've been collecting?
If you'll recall that thread (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/6813?page=1) on NSF when you were speaking at length about Andy's poster authentication service, I have to say, truthfully, I have never heard someone speak at greater length on any forum with less knowledge or experience of the subject they were discussing. It was a truly rare instance. Multiple people attempted multiple times in that thread to explain this to no avail.
Again, that's not to create stir but an honest annoyance when people state assumptive views without knowledge of what they're talking about. So, with full respect, I wanted to ask, in this instance, 50s, when you say "Christies would surely have their reputation damaged" would you say that is surely a fact or an assumption stated as fact? When you say "Christies wouldn't be so stupid" I'd say, ironically, that reads as a new collectors traditional need to judge and vent and less about the facts as they relate to Christies. Have you bought from Christies by chance?
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Some people think that "Buyer Beware" is the way of the world, and some don't.
Me, I like sleeping well at night. I know there are next-to-no collectors or consignors out there who have the slightest negative thing to say about me, and I am proud of that.
I believe the point is simply "Buyer Be Smart".
As Angleo made that point well, and Rich, Mark, Chris, Ted, myself and others have agreed, the responsibility is with the buyer to learn the ropes and buy within their means. That's in no way to dismiss the seller's need to be ethical. I feel it's simply to say Buyer Be Smart. Learn the ropes and enjoy original posters more and blame others less.
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reminds me of MILK, (and other things) - a friend of mine worked in a factory where they bottled milk, they had twqo brands, the generic brand (cheap) the fancy brand (expensive) the only difference was the design on the carton.
All the milk came out of the same vats.
Another factor, I have found, is sometimes you can list a poster for $10 and hope it goes up, no sale, then relist at $30 and get bids. Sometimes people really believe if it costs more its worth more.
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I have to say, truthfully, I have never heard someone speak at greater length on any forum with less knowledge or experience of the subject they were discussing.
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I had been intermittently watching this thread, wanting to let the new members with salient points regarding Lieberman's business practice drive the discussion and get to the heart of the matter. To 50's and Zorba, there are many, many more people whose conclusion about cinemasterpieces is the same as yours than there are those who defend his business practice. We've just done this many times already on NSFGE with threads calling him out and with his ultimately scrambling to put a spin on things to do damage control.
But I'm starting to see things getting personal against the ones bringing up the issue by some more established collectors. Getting personal in arguments is Lieberman's tactic, not yours. If you want to be persuasive, use reasoning, lest you want to sink to his level and drive away the very people we've been trying to help on these forums. It is to Lieberman's advantage to have you do his work for him and intimidate away collectors who ask probing and revealing questions that unravel his business schemes.
As for those defending the general business practice of selling something for whatever price you want, that's not the issue. I always see this argument as a defense, mostly by dealers or by collectors who sell. It seems to me that this occurs because dealers and sellers start to worry that this issue will project onto them or the criticism will transfer to them and thus start to affect the prices they set in their own business. This discussion, or any of the other prior discussions about Lieberman, isn't about you or any other dealer or seller. It's about cinemasterpieces and his business practice. If other dealers and sellers, who don't do what Lieberman does but who always interject with the "I have the right to sell whatever I want" argument, can remember that it isn't about you, you'll see what 50's and Zorba are trying to get at.
And this whole "buyer beware" and it's "all ultimately the buyer's responsibility" schtick.... There's an essay on this one. But I'm going to leave it at this for now: If this were completely true, there would be no legal accountability for fraud or false advertisement and the swindling of people out of their money through lying business schemes. And none of us would have any grounds to complain about bootleg posters or anything fake at all. Not the least of which is the recent Universal Horror posters scam. It's the buyers' fault for being taken in, correct? It's the new collector's responsibility for recognizing false advertisement about the rarity and investment quality of a poster, right? It's a good thing people who care about truth and authenticity don't think this way, or else there'd be no movie poster forum or movie poster authenticating site....
I'd add more in this thread, but I have two deadlines to meet, one of them with April 15th.
But, I do want to draw everyone's attention to the most enlightening Doh! statement in this thread, the one that made me want to sing hallelujah, light firecrackers and get jiggywithit:
Dave can do what Dave wants.. as long as he isn't stealing, perpetuating fraud or driving my car..
Wow, that pretty much sums up Dave Lieberman to a T. Nice work, Rich. You've managed to summarize over six years worth of issues regarding Lieberman in one sentence.
Jeannie
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hello jeannie!.....my favorite hater! Welcome to the party! :-*
still crazy after all these years I see.
I love how she calls it......my "business schemes".
note to new arrivals.......if you ever catch jeannie using multiple aliases to bash and spread outright lies about you (like I did over 5 years ago).....don't bring it to everyone's attention and embarrass her......or she will stalk you until the day you die.....like she is doing with me.
get over it already jeannie, please.
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Will you two just get a room already? I can feel the love!
deadhorse
Bruce
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But I think it hurts Dave more than he thinks it helps, or is humorous to him. For instance, how many people won't buy from him because of the line? Or what it does to his online rep.
I agree, I know a few people who are not forum members and have no interest in collecting hard core, but the few posters they have bought, they avoid Dave's stuff because of the misleading statements in question, which one of my friends said was silly and annoying. But Dave is amused by this (or so he claims) and seems to be less concerned with garnering new customers or his public perception on forums like this, which is a shame.
CM has written the only helpful guides that the newb has read so far so when he sees that they are listing the same poster for $100 to $200 more its only natural for them to assume that the far far less expensive poster is a fugazi. After all "If its too good to be true"...
I agree with sentiments in line of buyers doing their own research, but at the same time, you nail it here, Zorba. The scare tactic is mostly bait, especially with common and recent posters like Watchmen.
Zorba.. one thing is that buyers do have to take responsibility for themselves. Like Mel said "world's best pizza". If I believed every pizzaria that had such a claim on the window, I'd be trying to figure out which of the 10s of thousands of pizza parlors is the real #1 & which are all the #2s. newbie or not, it is the buyer's responsibilty to find the knowledge that educates. Dave's items are listed at what's called "retail prices".
Sorry, Rich, I am not getting the bulk of what you are saying here in terms of the discussion at hand.
Your pizza metaphor simply does not work because a pizza place is not claiming that "a long time can go before you find more pizza out there" like Dave is with his Casino Royales. Second, a pizza parlor is not charging $155 for a large pepperoni pie, when a parlor across the street is selling for $20. Also, your version of "retail" isn't jiving with mine...but whateva.
With most of that I agree. Cinemasterpieces is like the online 7-11 of original posters. If you want an original and cant be bothered or are too lazy to research your purchase they are the quick and easy way to be sure you get one.
I just do not agree that the line in question is puffery as defined.
7-11! Man, if their amazing slurpees were as much as Dave's Casino Royale, not sure they would stay in business. :)
Of course its not puffery, its just untrue.
And this whole "buyer beware" and it's "all ultimately the buyer's responsibility" schtick.... There's an essay on this one. But I'm going to leave it at this for now: If this were completely true, there would be no legal accountability for fraud or false advertisement and the swindling of people out of their money through lying business schemes. And none of us would have any grounds to complain about bootleg posters or anything fake at all. Not the least of which is the recent Universal Horror posters scam. It's the buyers' fault for being taken in, correct? It's the new collector's responsibility for recognizing false advertisement about the rarity and investment quality of a poster, right? It's a good thing people who care about truth and authenticity don't think this way, or else there'd be no movie poster forum or movie poster authenticating site....
You nail it here, Jeannie. Well spoken.
Dave, whenever you access your more-than-usual-arrogant mode, why do you sound like Biff Tannen from Back to the Future, only much less entertaining? I guess you wouldn't throw some kid's ball on the roof and laugh at him as you walk away, you would just run over it with your Hummer... :)
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Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
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Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
Good, although the scene with you berating your younger self about not having a safe is funnier.
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There's another David Lieberman out there who's authored some books with very choice names:
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and
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Check Amazom if you want to pick them up...
Sorry Dave ;D
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there is also a chef David Lieberman on the food network, and there is another one that writes for USA Today.
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and I thought it would be a long time before another one of him is seen
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I've been on the different movie poster forums a few years and I've never really got what it is about Dave that gets people so upset. He has a very good website with some of the clearest and best information on bootlegs. When people buy from him they feel reassured that they are getting the genuine article and they pay extra for that. That said I am always amazed at some of the ridiculous prices he gets, but then if people will pay that then good for him. I've bought from him once: I paid about $300 for the Boba Fett Empire Strikes Back Anniversary Poster. I think I got a great price for a great perfect condition poster and have no complaints. When I'm buying Star Wars stuff on ebay I always use his site as a reference and it's saved me a lot of pain and a lot of money!
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and I thought it would be a long time before another one of him is seen
those guys are bootlegs.
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Hey Rich is using the same line in his auctions this week.
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!
:)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/TEST-1.jpg)
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yeah, but that's only one of 206 listings this week and it's true.. so take that!!!
loser
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Which poster is that for?
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Which poster is that for?
Pulp Fiction - just ended - I bid up to $85 but someone put in a high bid. Since it was C-6, $85 was as high as I was willing to go:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/Pulp-1.jpg)
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oh damn.. I hit the wrong key.. it was C-9.9
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After being personally berated myself for no justifiable reason, I feel I must say something here.
If Dave wants to sell a poster for $100 - one you could get for $10 - then that's fine!
There are SO many dealers out there who charge mega prices for posters.
They have a client list that buys from them.
I don't hear ANY of you criticising The Reel Poster Gallery in London - the UK equivalent of Dave.
They are a success and so is he.
At the end of the day, by you lot saying bad things about Dave, you may as well be directing the same crap to other high-end dealers . . . What's the point?
Seriously, if I was so busy and money was genuinely no object, I would buy from the likes of Dave and The Reel Poster Gallery, as well as others . . .
All this is pathetic . . . Live your life people and stop commenting in a negative way on something that really doesn't affect you . . . And smile!
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I think Alan has a very prescient perspective
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This makes interesting reading.
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This makes interesting reading.
You can read much more interesting stuff on ari's forum. Just go in and enjoy!
I am assuming all the stuff that helped me stay the f away is still there.
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Nothing was
Deleted. But the search function over there isn't the best. Enjoy.
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Nothing was
Deleted. But the search function over there isn't the best. Enjoy.
I have always loved honest men. :)
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I also enjoyed reading this thread.
To all the people who don't agree with Dave's prices what should be done...?
Should someone come in and force his prices down.. in that case the whole site should move to a communist state, as I believe the last time I looked the USA is a free market economy?
you may all complain, but what Dave actually does is significantly promote the collecting of movie posters to a wider audience and provides a lot of reference material for the newbs, I know his star wars authentications have helped me out a few times when I got started.
Love him or loathe him or be ambivalent... don't hate the player, hate the game and move to North Korea
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Nothing was
Deleted. But the search function over there isn't the best. Enjoy.
Yes.. I think I know that now !! ;)
Incidentally, I don't mind his prices or selling practices, there is a market for everyone. It is up to the buyer to decide how much s/he wants to pay. Here in Google-land there is so much information out there that it is nearly impossible not to be educated on poster or everything else- though it is fairly easy to be ''misinformed'' :)