Why do collectors buy alot of crap?

[jedgerley]

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[Zorba]

I am literally a Barstard and take offence at or being an insult.

Since when do you take offence to anything? 

definitely not Mel

Thats what I have been told. That he/she/it is not.

Thats why I said I dont care.

Reeks of as in mel like.   

[oldposterho]

Not to totally sidetrack this scintillating discussion but I have to ask jedgerley about his avatar photo.  Turns out I just inherited that exact print from by late father.  He picked it up on Japan in 1950 and when I popped onto this page I finally made the connection.

Freaky, huh?

--Peter

[jedgerley]

Not to totally sidetrack this scintillating discussion but I have to ask jedgerley about his avatar photo.  Turns out I just inherited that exact print from by late father.  He picked it up on Japan in 1950 and when I popped onto this page I finally made the connection.

Freaky, huh?

--Peter

That is very interesting. Can I pick this up probably 15 years ago in Washington DC. I was told it was purchased by Frank Lloyd Wright and staff on a trip to Japan to purchase furnishings for a project. Of course that story is totally unverifiable and wouldn't add value. When I saw it I had to have it. Did you notice if the Moon/Sun is raised on the print? I researched it a Bit many years ago and don't remember anything about it

[erik1925]

Its a very cool image, Jason...i've always really liked it, too. 

What size is the actual print? Could you post a larger version on apf? Would love to see more of the details in it.

[oldposterho]

It does appear that there might be extra layers of the "ink" on the moon that raise it a bit, but it's kind of hard to tell as it's framed and matted.  I suspect behind the matte it's about 10x15".  I think this is one of the prints my dad actually saw being made to order by artists when he was in Kyoto after their prior unpleasantness and just before his experiencing his own unpleasantness across the Sea of Japan.

--Peter

[jedgerley]

I only have this sorta fuzzy picture of it.  I Probably will be taking a trip to my poster dungeon this week and will snap a clearer picture. 10x15 sounds right as well
Peter, Is yours framed and matted the same way per chance?  The frame I have is wood in a bamboo motif and if I remember correctly it isn't machine made but rather hand carved.  The frame has age to it so it seems to be matted and framed soon after its creation. Gonna poke around on the interwebs to see if i can find more info.
-Jason

[jedgerley]

Well it wasnt hard to find something about it just as it was 12-15 years ago lol. heres a clear pic.

Moon at Kiyomizu Temple
by Benji Asada 1899-1984

Benji Asada is a typical Kyoto painter and printmaker. He received his art training at Kyoto City School of Fine Arts and Crafts and Kyoto City Specialist School of Painting. Benji Asada was an honor student of Goun Nishimura. In 1920s and 1930s he was active with the Kyoto and Tokyo Sosaku Hanga artists. He contributed to different group series - "Creative Prints of Twelve Months in New Kyoto" and "100 Views of New Japan". His major activities were on paintings in Japanese style.



and here are some examples on ebay that sold http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=Benji+Asada&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

[erik1925]

Love that, Jason! 

Thanks for the other info and pics, too!

[oldposterho]

Great info!  Will have to print it out and put it on the back of the frame.  My frame is a much more recent vintage, probably '90s or so.  I have another of a samurai helmet and will have to see if that's a Benji Asada as well since I think they were purchased at the same time.  I wonder if it was Benji himself who pulled the print?

--Peter

[Mirosae]

Coming back to the question at hand. Have you ever looked back at what you bought and though it was crap?

Reading this thread made me wonder and yes, I looked back at what I've acquired over the years. My first poster was a RR from a silent film- all that I could afford. My last poster is from a 30s film. So I haven't changed my style that much.

But they are very different. I own posters in such a poor condition- yes, Bogies - doubt anyone will ever want them, but I still value them and like them all the same. I also have other posters that somehow no longer have the same value, not as when I first bought them. Still, they do not quality as ''crap'' to me.  I find it really hard to depart from them. Does that happen to you? I can't sell those even if they are not quite the same to me. I guess we all mature and need to make room for other priorities or posters. But somehow, it is really difficult for me to sell them. Maybe I will trade them with someone I trust, or maybe not.   

Anyway, just a thought. I read what W wrote and I looked back at my paper and kept thinking.. is this crap? Have I bought crap. Maybe. But as someone wrote (Ari? or Tob?), it makes happy.. so I guess I am OK.

Anyway, just curious what you guys thought... that long journey from first to the last poster.. the crappy road..

[wonka]

I've never understood why collectors will spend thousands of dollars a year on cheap posters in poor condition, when they could save the exact same money and spend it on a few choice items. In this way, a serious collector over the decades will still amass a large quantity but the posters will be quality instead of colourful toilet paper. I made a lot of mistakes as a newbie collector and bought just about everything that mildly appealed to me. Everybody refines their taste and collection over time which is why it surprises me that veteran collectors still buy bad/cheap/unimportant posters when they don't have to.

I feel like your answer is in your question...this can be surmised about ANYTHING, why people buy what they do. Ultimately, different strokes, different strokes.

Also, I don't think there are really 'mistakes' in terms of purchasing. I consider it paying for one's education.

[Zorba]

I consider it paying for one's education.

Yes. I have paid.

All my stuff is crap. 

[lynaron]

I consider myself an archivist and custodian as well as a collector.  Sure, some of my Pile-o-Paper™ is in less than pristine condition and may even be crap with a capital C, but it's my job/quest/jollygoodtime to rescue a "Charlie Brown Christmas Tree" on occasion. Does it go in a file cabinet or hiding?  Sure, but there it is safe and sound, at least for the time being. Plus, it may be something that I might never see offered again.  Just my own form of insanity.

[wonka]

Yes. I have paid.

All my stuff is crap. 

Maybe you are in grad school then. 

[eatbrie]

I honestly think this person has taken us for a ride.  No one, and I really mean NO ONE, can be this stupid, vain and arrogant at the same time.

Check out the work of a week.  One week, fellows!  I personally think it's marvelous, borderline psychotic, but nevertheless marvelous.

 

ON FILM
I think 30's Universal horror movies are dreadfully made
I hate Casablanca and detest Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman
Humphrey Bogart is a small boy's idea of a hero and Bergman has to be the plainest looking movie star of the 20th century
I don't like John Wayne films and Westerns
I must add that I sometimes do buy John Wayne titles for a relative who loves him, but I have to resist the urge to vomit after I win the auction
I'm forced to buy Wayne for my relative although like I said, I would rather choke on my own vomit than do so
I also hate James Bond and can't believe anyone would buy anything on those movies
"Notorious" is one of Hitchcock's dullest films
I despise rear-projection and feel it ruined many a classic
Or what I really hate - on location filming for scenes in long and medium shot, then the close-up in front of a rear projection screen back at the studio
After Laurence of Arabia I swore off dull epics in the desert
The 1970's was such a trashy decade all round - the worst of the 20th century in terms of film
Japanese monsters, Universal Horror and 40's Westerns are beneath crap
I'm also not giddy over Grace Kelly and especially not Bardot

ON MONEY
That being said I would never have spent over $150,000 on it like I saw on a Casablanca insert, that's ridiculous
I paid 200 times my top estimate on a piece
I'm 35, no wife, no kid and no mortgage, stable income etc..
I also come from well-off parents and grand-father (trust-fund baby) and I work from home, so I can afford to surf the net when and where I like
My salary per annum is $50,000 tops
I only spend $15,000 a year on movie posters
I was able to use my trust to buy a really nice house and car
I could theoretically use my trust quarterly interest payments to indulge in top of the line posters
I have a large home and lots of wall space
I spend serious money on archival conservation materials
My parent's suburb is filled with period homes
I have a large home and lots of wall space so I don't actually need to store any of my posters away
It is possible to live well, and like being surrounded by beautiful things
My main home is art deco in period
I have an investment property/weekender with nice high ceilings and it's perfect for displaying my collection

ON BEING HUMBLE
Not my opinion, just a fact. I have taste, is all
I would love to post my collection on here but I'm afraid I would give my identity away
To me, that type of behaviour is neurotic but at least I have enough insight to admit it
I don't state my opinion for the benefit of others, I couldn't care less if other people glean anything from my "insights" or not. I express myself for my enjoyment and my enjoyment only, that's all
I consider myself an eloquent writer, quite witty and original
My short time here has generated a lot of discussion, which makes my presence here of more value than some who just come here and criticise others
I'm as energetic and optimistic as I was when I was a teenager
I never resent the generations snapping at my heels and if my niece or nephews when they're older show any interest in my hobby, I'll gladly pass on any info I've gleaned
As a newbie I certainly didn't need validation from anyone regarding my hobby, and I certainly didn't need it from a forum
I won't be changing or modifying who I am for anybody
My mother couldn't shut my mouth when I was two years old, do you think I would respect your authority?
I was brought up to fight back but never instigate anything. That's called breeding
Nothing wrong with being edgy and having a laugh, so long as you aren't malicious, elitist or suffering a chronic disposition of needing to show others "who's boss."

ON COLLECTORS
I am amazed the value people put on certain one-sheets, inserts etc that I think are worthless
I wonder if many movie poster collectors have serious mental problems?
Several people have mentioned how "cool" people are here with others' different interests, however I've been lurking a long time and seen the opposite on these boards
In the two days I have been posting, I have already witnessed silly twits get their knickers in a knot because I won't bid on their auctions
I've never understood why collectors will spend thousands of dollars a year on cheap posters in poor condition
Everybody refines their taste and collection over time which is why it surprises me that veteran collectors still buy bad/cheap/unimportant posters
I have never understood why my generation don't appreciate old films and I certainly don't get why people my age haven't the maturity to see that no great movie has been made for at least 17 years
I don't understand why people generalise that collectors must be superficial and materialistic and not know the difference between looking for happiness inside of them as opposed to outside
Everyone on here seems to think you have to be either black or white
There are many threads on this forum with some terrible collections but I have not given my opinions on them
This "rose-coloured syndrome" people have on this forum, that they are "good" and others are "bad" is incorrect, immature and well, just a little sad
It took me a long time to realise that the movie-poster collecting world is not a place to find and make friends and if you simply stick to collecting, you'll be better off
I made the newbie mistake of thinking the movie poster collecting world was a collaborative hobby where you can interact with others, learn from them and make friends
I have encountered nothing but unpleasant people, and so-called experts have done nothing but take advantage of me and rip me off
It was only after I extricated myself from the "social" side of collecting that I started to enjoy it
There are other hobbies that attract pleasant people - this isn't one of them
This is one club where I am content to have only a guest pass
I couldn't care less if the members here comment on my posters
I disagree with your assertion that there is "a lot of goodwill on this forum." Are you blind? Lordy!
There will be no compromise and neither you nor anybody else is in a position to tell me where and what I should do with my claws
I think some people here have to just accept that they're not likeable people and if they inflict their personality (or lack of one) on others, there will be conflict

ON TOM PENNOCK: There is this douche called "Tom" whose view on life and attitude to collecting was diametrically opposite to mine.  He sounded like a crusty, old bore and that's what I despise most about movie-poster collectors.  I realised that he wrote what he did in 2006, and by now he's probably dead, I hope so.  Suffice to say, the "Tom" I refer to should rot in hell
TO SKYJACKERS: D'uh, are you dyslexic or simply marginally retarded
ON CRAZY VICK: Thanks Vic - my first useful advice from a movie poster collector!
ON ROSA: I like you miro, and think your posts add a lot to this forum, but don't tell me how to behave, okay?  The way you have conveniently side-stepped the flaws of some is to be expected.  I don't blame you.  You are a product of your environment
TO CHRIS: And CSM, ah, so predictable? Why do you wait for a group of others to attack before getting a punch in? Cowardly, so cowardly...
ON MUSLIM TURKS: Ever since I was attacked with a 3 foot long metal wrench in a road-rage incident (he was a Muslim Turk so what do you expect) I no longer hold my tongue when face to face with people

ON AGING
Because I'm quite young, I can't wait until those superannuated dealers who ripped me off as a newbie pass on and their collection is auctioned
One dealer is unlikely to make it through another ten years, and I'll relish the day when I buy his entire collection lock, stock and barrel for a bargain basement price
This is what I hate about "collectors" my age and the only thing I like about the 50+ brigade - at least the old men have taste in posters
The majority of collectors seem to be 50+ year old, disappointed, grumpy old men who resent fresh, young blood
*sniff* I smell 50 plus... *sniff* *sniff*
You're either under 40, when there's still hope, or you're over 80 years old and kicken' up those granny pins
Over-the-hill people take sadistic pleasure in watching the young fail
I always say it like it is - more so since I hit my 30's - just ask my friends!

ON POSTERS
I think the Vertigo one-sheet is terrible
I also can't believe how much "The Man With the Golden Arm" poster commands at auction
No tacky snap-frames or light boxes
I display my posters in a permanent and tasteful way
I don't need to be "convinced" to collect

[MoviePosterBid.com]

I consider myself an archivist and custodian as well as a collector. 

exactly!

*and historian

[Crazy Vick]

I honestly think this person has taken us for a ride.  No one, and I really mean NO ONE, can be this stupid, vain and arrogant at the same time.
Check out the work of a week.  One week, fellows!  I personally think it's marvelous, borderline psychotic, but nevertheless marvelous.

Wow, what a fecking character, whoever he is.    With a name like Whoopi2007 you had to figure he was going to be trolling.  Someone should print T`s post and frame it in one of those "tacky snap-frames."

I kinda of miss Whoopi2007 

[Neo]

Good work on capturing all those thoughts from 2007Whoopi in one post, T.

Wow.

[jedgerley]

the first thing I did when i saw that avatar was to do a goodle image search. and it is a screengrab from Jerry Springer interviewing the most derranged person.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Dqn9HKLWo74" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Dqn9HKLWo74</a>  

Damn T that was a ton of copy pasting and bolding.

I think they said their goodbyes cuz no one was falling for it. 

[erik1925]

Great find there, Jason! 

He name is Michelle David. She is an actress (was also Miss Luxembourg 1964) and she appeared on Springer a few times, as this character, called Coco....  

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/r5Mzh8zcUgw" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/r5Mzh8zcUgw</a>

[Zorba]

Maybe you are in grad school then. 

I still have not received my bad buy diploma.   

[holiday]

Thierry, did you actually take the time to hack that together?  It's cool, but man, it's insane too!

[DekeThornton]

no wife

Now that part I believe!

[Ari]

I stopped responding after the racist comment, I don't really care one way or another if someone is being an arsehole, but I have no time for racism (or sexism, homophobia, etc).
even if its not TRUE but just for reaction. its just not funny to me.