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NY Times April 3, 2010
Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions
By BROOKS BARNES

LOS ANGELES — For weeks, Hollywood has sat in judgment of a last-second decision by Warner Brothers to convert its two-dimensional “Clash of the Titans” into 3-D after filming was finished. James Cameron cried sacrilege, Michael Bay said such quickie conversions resulted in “fake 3-D” and fanboy bloggers lambasted Warner and urged people to skip it.

But what about regular moviegoers — would they even notice anything amiss with the movie’s 3-D?

It’s no small question for Hollywood. With at least 70 movies in the 3-D pipeline — including many similar conversion projects — studios and theater owners are betting heavily that audiences will snap up increasingly expensive 3-D tickets. Mr. Cameron, whose “Avatar” sparked this fervor by racking up nearly $2.7 billion in global ticket sales, fretted to Deadline.com that Warner is “expecting the same result, when in fact they will probably work against the adoption of 3-D, because they’ll be putting out an inferior product.”

“Clash of the Titans,” a $122 million remake of the campy 1981 original, opened in wide release on Friday, and early feedback indicates that Joe and Jane Moviegoer don’t really see what all the fuss is about. Indeed, despite the negative media coverage of the film, box office forecasters say the picture is on track to sell between $60 million and $70 million in tickets by Monday — a very robust result.

“I thought the 3-D quality was really good,” said Eric Shimp as he left a showing of “Clash of the Titans” at the AMC Century City 15 in Los Angeles. Mr. Shimp, who works in the automotive industry, added, “The ticket prices are ridiculous, but it does leave you feeling like you’ve just seen a spectacle.”

Sharle Kochman, a cosmetologist, said as she left the theater that she thought the 3-D quality was on a par with “Avatar,” and Lauren Shotwell, a music executive, said she noticed none of the tell-tale signs of a 3-D conversion: blurriness, double images (called “ghosting”), flat backgrounds. “During the computer-generated parts the 3-D looked totally fine,” Ms. Shotwell said.

Twitter feedback was more mixed, with seemingly regular folks squaring off against the geekier variety. “ ‘Clash of the Titans’ in 3D was a great movie had fun,” wrote TaliaMenacho. Radharc countered: “Now that ‘Clash of the Titans’ is actually out I can finally say that whatever you do, see it in 2D. The post conversion to 3D isn’t too hot.”

Many directors are wary.

“The tidal wave of rush-job post-conversions to 3-D worries me, as it does a lot of filmmakers, because the results are often sketchy and nowhere near as immersive as in-camera 3-D photography,” said Shawn Levy, the director of “Night at the Museum” and the coming comedy “Date Night,” starring Tina Fey and Steve Carell. “Filmmakers have to resist the current frenzy for all things 3-D in order to first assess whether the movie’s tone and subject matter organically benefit from it.,”

It remains too early to tell whether audiences will rebel at 3-D (“Avatar”) and what some experts are calling 3-D Lite (movies shot the normal way and converted afterward). More tea leaves will be available next weekend. If interest in the 3-D version of “Clash of the Titans” drops sharply, analysts will view that as a signal of negative word of mouth. It’s entirely possible, of course, that audiences will complain about the 3-D when they really just didn’t like the story.

Another movie shot in 2-D and converted later — Walt Disney’s “Alice in Wonderland” — certainly did not suffer at the box office, selling about $663 million in tickets worldwide.

The worry, as Mr. Cameron noted, is that studios will quickly train consumers to be more selective when it comes to 3-D, especially as ticket prices rise. Last week, several large movie theater chains lifted 3-D ticket prices 15 to 25 percent. As a result, many moviegoers in cities like New York and Los Angeles will now pay $19.50 each to see certain 3-D screenings. Typically, theaters charge an extra $3 to $5 for tickets to 3-D movies.

Studios, eager to chase 3-D revenue as DVD sales continue to decline, are scrambling to release as many movies in the format as they can, lest the current appetite for 3-D proves as ephemeral as the last one. The film business became fascinated with 3-D in the 1950s, only to watch its popularity die as audiences balked at the bulky glasses and jerky, stomach-churning camera movements.

The latest 3-D technology is supposed to be new and improved; at least that is how Hollywood has sold it to audiences. Digital projectors deliver precision images, eliminating headaches and nausea, while plastic glasses have replaced the cardboard. Most important, say filmmakers, new equipment allows movies to be built in 3-D from the ground up, providing a more immersive and realistic viewing experience, not one based just on occasional visual gimmicks.

But nearly every studio is now considering shortcuts. At 20th Century Fox a 3-D conversion of the coming “Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader” is being weighed. Warner Brothers will convert both halves of its upcoming “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.” Mr. Bay has said that Paramount is pressuring him to give his third “Transformers” installment the treatment.

Conversion costs anywhere from $5 million to $30 million a movie, depending on the complexity.

Technology companies say the conversion process is being unfairly judged.

“I kind of rolled my eyes at first, but once I saw the tests I was really startled at how good this can look,” said Rob Hummel, chief executive of Prime Focus North America, which retrofitted “Clash of the Titans.”

“We’re not the only ones who think that,” he added. “Our phone is ringing off the hook with 911 calls from studios to do conversions.”

Prime Focus introduced its conversion technology in July. Although the process is complex and largely proprietary, it involves computer software that determines which objects are in front of others — Actor A is walking in front of Actor B. The image in front is then digitally brought even farther forward.

Jim Dorey, editor of Marketsaw.com, a blog devoted to the medium, ultimately thinks the quickie “Clash” conversion was a mistake. But unlike many technophiles he is not closing the door on the retrofitting process.

“If the right money is spent and you take your time, then native 3-D and converted 3-D can both be exceptional,” Mr. Dorey said. “Even when it’s not very well done I suspect most consumers will find it passable.”

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i was reading a NYT review of Clash o fthe Titans.
they say the 3-d kinda sucks

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Reminds me of the Beatles "fake stereo" days.  Capital took the mono recordings, monkeyed with them, and made them into "stereo". 

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I have to say that I didn't know anything about the quasi-3D technology versus native debate until I read this... but I absolutely did notice that in Alice the 3D just looked off... very different from Avatar certainly.  I thought perhaps it was a stylistic choice by Mr. Burton, but it's all making much more sense now.

Just one more thing to check out before seeing a 3D show I suppose.  Sigh.

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I think they should convert all porn movies to 3-D

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Men everywhere will be diving out of the way during the money shot

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I saw Clash of the Titans last night because my eldest son wanted to, and the movie itself blows (no big surprise there) but the 3D also blows. I could have been wearing some "X-Ray Specs" for all the difference the supposed 3D made. I took off the glasses on and off (I was really bored) and there was next to no difference watching with them or without them.

3-D should have images that come off the screen and at the viewer, and this movie had zero such scenes. They better quit this conversion crap in a hurry, or 3D won't last as long as it did in 1953 and 1954.

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I'd rather watch a movie how it was meant to be shown.  I dont have any interest in seeing a movie in 3-D just because the industry wants to milk a few more bucks out of the masses.  If it was made to be shown in 3-D, then great.  If not, don't insult my intelligence.
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Finally, a subject everyone seems to agree upon.
Unfortunately -- and I don't know squat about technology -- 3D is coming home to roost via some of these new TV screens.
Who out there knows what this is all about??
Is this something we are ALL going to have to have in a few years to watch regular TV?

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 11:43:07 AM »
Should be great for certain subjects, including sports.

Check out this article praising the Masters in 3-d.



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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 12:58:12 PM »
I'd rather watch a movie how it was meant to be shown.  I dont have any interest in seeing a movie in 3-D just because the industry wants to milk a few more bucks out of the masses.  If it was made to be shown in 3-D, then great.  If not, don't insult my intelligence.

Thank goodness, someone else see's this issue for what it is. I was honestly beginning to think I was the one underestimating demand for sub par 3D. If a movie is shot for RealD 3D and shown in RealD 3D that's a fun theater experience. But I assure you I will never have interest, nor ever caught wearing 3D glasses in front of my home screen.

Honestly, from all the gadget blogs, to AVS.com, to HomeTheater mags, the overhead at Cowboys Stadium and even the celebrities wearing 3D glasses in the audience at the Grammys and Golden Globes, the 3D push over the last 12 months has been insane. I have never witnessed a harder commercial push (except for Steve Zammar).

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2010, 01:06:00 PM »
I saw Clash of the Titans last night because my eldest son wanted to, and the movie itself blows (no big surprise there) but the 3D also blows. I could have been wearing some "X-Ray Specs" for all the difference the supposed 3D made. I took off the glasses on and off (I was really bored) and there was next to no difference watching with them or without them.

3-D should have images that come off the screen and at the viewer, and this movie had zero such scenes. They better quit this conversion crap in a hurry, or 3D won't last as long as it did in 1953 and 1954.

Bruce

Then go see "How to Train Your Dragon," Bruce (another shameless plug).  It is excellent, has 97% on Rotten Tomatoes and was made in 3D.  Jim Cameron actually came to DreamWorks a couple weeks ago to talk about 3D and he completely trashed Tim Burton and the 3D conversion, pretty much saying what you said above.  It was interesting to see Katzenberg (who's been championing 3D from the start) and Cameron (who's arguably made the best 3D movie so far) chat on the subject.

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 01:22:49 PM »
Sadly my local theater had to choose between Clash and Dragon this week, and Dragon may not make it here for a week or two more, but I hear good things about it from all who have seen it, so everyone seems to agree with you!

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 04:12:57 PM »
laugh 

The Richinator strikes again. Hilarious.


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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 04:14:15 PM »
Thank goodness, someone else see's this issue for what it is. I was honestly beginning to think I was the one underestimating demand for sub par 3D. If a movie is shot for RealD 3D and shown in RealD 3D that's a fun theater experience. But I assure you I will never have interest, nor ever caught wearing 3D glasses in front of my home screen.

Honestly, from all the gadget blogs, to AVS.com, to HomeTheater mags, the overhead at Cowboys Stadium and even the celebrities wearing 3D glasses in the audience at the Grammys and Golden Globes, the 3D push over the last 12 months has been insane. I have never witnessed a harder commercial push (except for Steve Zammar).

Carson is right.. except he doesn't examine why:

unlike "regular" movies, 3-D films aren't easily bootlegged, so though you may find them on bootleg sites, you can't share the 3-D aspect. So if all films are 3-D, Hollywood can enjoy a period of time before 3-D tv's are out that they can actually depend on honest returns for their investment. That in addition to the fact that 3-d films also have a higher ticket price (aka more revenue). It's one more corporate push to make people pay more for something, and to have a clear revenue stream

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 09:53:07 PM »
Mel, thanks for the 3D TV link.  I was hoping that we wouldn't have to wear glasses at home....ah, well...

Haven't seen Clash yet, but it sounds like I feared -- a hydra-headed, craken turkey. 
Dragon is a must see, as are all Dreamworks Animation projects.

Just watched Casshern.  Very bizarre, like Matrix meets Tetsuo the Iron Man.  THIS shoulda been in 3D.
Anyone seen it yet?

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2010, 11:49:27 PM »
wow Ted.. I just bought that DVD today at Big Lots! for $2.50 (4/$10)
it was a stop of "fate" there today.. it's on teh way to my warehouse, so I stopped in & get this: I had been looking for my Sunset Blvd vhs tape to watch. Incredibly, Big Lots! had a single copy of the special edition with a 2nd dvd loaded with extras..

I popped it in to the dvd here in front of my desk

when I got hom I was going to watch Casshern.. that's weird!!

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2010, 12:03:20 AM »
Think Twilight Zone theme here...

doo-dee-doo-dee...
doo-dee-doo-dee...



Great minds think alike, Rich. 
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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2010, 01:02:46 AM »

Great minds think alike, Rich. 
Ceptin' I paid $5 for mine, ya lucky bastidge...

my mind must be greater than yours

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Re: 3D movies - "Growing Conversion of Movies to 3-D Draws Mixed Reactions"
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2010, 12:45:50 PM »
Holy shit!  The Masters (golf tournament) has just announced that it will be broadcast in 3-D.  Golf?  WTF are they thinking here?  I mean, they couldnt give us some Laverne and Shirley reruns or maybe 3-D poker tournaments instead?  Those bastards.  Really, the 3-D thing is getting out of hand.
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2010, 02:10:02 PM »
Holy shit!  The Masters (golf tournament) has just announced that it will be broadcast in 3-D.  Golf?  WTF are they thinking here?  I mean, they couldnt give us some Laverne and Shirley reruns or maybe 3-D poker tournaments instead?  Those bastards.  Really, the 3-D thing is getting out of hand.

that's the William Castle version.. Golf balls come crashing through your windows to give it a true 3-D effect

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