Separate sections for modern (1960-) and vintage (pre-1960) movie posters?

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Some collectors are exclusively modern movie poster collectors (such as myself) and others exclusively vintage collectors.

To make the tent as big as possible but also to ensure that this forum does not become exclusively modern (or vice-versa, although that's less likely) perhaps we should split the two.  That way people would feel that their interests are being welcomed here.

Also I gather that the time period distinction is one of key reasons MPF and NSFGE have diverged in the past.  Perhaps specifically accommodating both interests would make this forum less of a replacement/competitor for MPF and truly a new entity.

And the reality is that currently 99% of the people on here - at least so far -are really mostly into movie posters, so the other sub-forums do not need to be split into modern and vintage.

Thoughts?

UPDATE: Alternatively, we could add a permanent "vintage" sub-sub-thread in the movie poster section, rather than formally splitting movie posters into two fully-separate sub-sections.  Again, it's not that I'm anti-vintage - just want to make sure that interest is being accommodated.

[theartofmovieposters]

I collect both so I'm not fussed...

[ddilts399]

i prefer them all together, already a ton of areas

[CSM]

If we split it...then no doubt there would be some long-winded debate on both "what is a modern movie poster" and "what constitutes a vintage movie poster".

Where do you split it?  Is 1960 the right year?  1980? 2000?

I think it is good as is.

[Juli]

It's funny you bring up modern and vintage, as I actually do not own any posters that would be considered vintage (pre-1960). The oldest movie poster I own is The Shining (1980) although it is badly faded.

I think the reason most people don't collect vintage is because they are extremely expensive for famous titles. I know one can get a movie poster of an obscure movie but most (not all) people I wouldn't think would be interested in owning them if they aren't familiar with the movie, though I could be wrong. I would want posters from movies I love...and those would be extremely expensive...so I just stick to modern stuff.

~ Juli

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Well, as I said in my update, now that I think about it, it's probably better to add some additional sub-threads in the movie poster section, rather than formally dividing it.  I'd suggest separate sub-threads for:

- Vintage posters (1965? - that's the halfway point between 1920 and 2010)
- International posters (Ebay has a separate section for international)
- Commercial posters (e.g. Alamo posters, which is awkwardly in the Graphic Arts section now, even though they are really movie posters)

Subject sub-threads are better than a random hodge-podge of subjects being thrown into one "general discussion" area.  I know that is how NSFGE is organized but I prefer more organization.

[ddilts399]

To me price has nothing to do with my collection cutoff. Being an early 70's child I relate to movies of the early 80's to date. The only 60's and early 70's films I relate to are through my parents or a boring er... a night expanding my horizons watching some "classics".

The whole newbie versus old school war really slays me as it has more to do with generations than anything. Universal horror, the only thing classic about it is that is ushered in the horror genre, I mean could movies be any more boring and the acting; makes porn stars look like academy award nominees. The art on the posters is great, but the only reason I would want one is knowing what they are worth and being able to say I own it.

Bottom line, people collect what they relate too; there is no hard line cut on vintage versus modern as it will always sway with the age generation. If you want to classify, go with something the comics market has done; platinum; golden, silver, bronze, copper, modern age. This in itself is stupid, because the modern age, will no longer be modern 15 years from now.

[easyenders]

i like a little bit of flair......granted most of it is in the past, but i'm sure there are some recent examples...........'sideways' is a good example.......and the 'sideways' awards edition.......any other 'sideways' anybody? or anything?

[theartofmovieposters]

I think the reason alot of the early stuff is boring to you Dale is because you are used to the whizz bang nature of films today.
Some of the classics are truely superior to the stuff that gets made today.
You have to put everything into context.
If you just sit and watch Metropolis you'll probably be bored out your brains...but if you think about when it was made and what has come after, you can see how so many of the films you probably love today have borrowed so heavily from the past.

I'm a child of the 80s too, but I love me some classics. 

[theartofmovieposters]

Oh and the newer collectors versus the classic collectors is I agree shite...the day will come when no one even remembers the original Frankenstein...just cause something is old doesn't make it any more collectible or better than something that was released in the last 10 years or so...there was just as much crap back then as there is now

[kovacs01]

I think the mixing of various collectors and views is a good thing; thus, the forum should be kept how it is.

[Bruce]

Since I have collected for 40+ years and been a full-time seller for 20, I know a lot about this. It is clear to me that many people collect memories as much as they do posters, and they gravitate to the posters they saw during the best years of their lives (when they were kids and had no worries, or when they were late teens or in their twenties, and had a full head of hair, and first loves, and so much more).

People usually reach their buying peak in their late 30s or 40s. They have started making enough money to have have enough extra to buy things they don't really need like posters, and they are first starting to feel their age and getting nostalgic for their youth.

This usually results in people buying items from movies that came out at least 20 years before, and usually up to 30. That is when those posters reach their height of popularity.

At the same time, the collectors who bought items from movies that came out 40 to 50 years before are aging, and either starting to pass away, or are realizing that they don't need any more posters, or that they can't take them with them and their relatives don't care about them in the same way, so those posters start declining in interest.

Of course, classic posters will always hold their value. But right now, posters from the best movies of the 1960s and 1970s are among the ones with the most people looking for them, and the best posters of the 1980s continue to rise in popularity and price, and later we will se the same with the bestof the 1990s and 2000s, even though the naysayers will continue to think they will "never have value".

Bruce

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

People usually reach their buying peak in their late 30s or 40s. They have started making enough money to have have enough extra to buy things they don't really need like posters, and they are first starting to feel their age and getting nostalgic for their youth.

Bruce

Bruce - we "don't need" these posters?  Do you really want to tell your "poster crack addict" customers that they don't need more and more and more posters? (The attached pic shows SOME of the packages I've received this year - and more than one from you)  

[Bruce]

I stand corrected!

 

Bruce

[paul waines]

I do collect up to presant day, but mostly pre 1980. If it was going to split I think this is a good year (1980) to do it from. though I do think for now it is fine as it is. It all depends on how many people start to post on the board. The more people posting, it may even have to go into decades, 40's, 50's, 60's, etc.

[holiday]

I don't know if any of you follow MoPo - I would expect so.  Last week I had a bit of a tussle with them regarding this issue. Granted, I was dramatic as usual, but it was essentially an old versus new debate.  You may want to check it out.

I agree that the forum should not be split between old and new, vintage or modern, or any such thing.  If there are folks that want to stick with only vintage material, that's what MoPo is for really.  They don't need to come here for that.  Same thing is true for modern posters.  For the most part, MPF is all about modern and hypermodern material.  Again, splitting our fourm would be redundant of MPF.  Finally, there's Ari's place at NS4.  Lot's of vintage material, but a bit off-beat to a lot of the "classic" folks out there.  But, there's also collectors of modern and hypermodern material there too.

I think the reminder from this discussion is that APF's core is to provide a forum for discussion of all types of posters.  I do agree, obviously, with separate sections for various collecting areas the beginnings of which we already have.  The only reason that we separate these areas is that to lump them together would be too unwieldy for review.  Imagine the general discussion group - only one for all types of posters.  What a mess that would be.  But, it's unfortunate that we couldn't do that, because I think it's cool for collectors of one type of poster to see the interests of collectors of other types of posters.  For want of a better way to do it, those with such interest need only click in one of the other areas.  Further separating it into old and new isn't needed.

Now, if the posts actually got to the point of being so numerous that another split would be needed to manage it, then perhaps the old/new thing would work. But, for now, I think we have enough topics.  Actually, too many topics, and I'll be working to merge and set up some other ones based on the suggestions that have been made so far.

Happy new year!!!!!  (it's 11:34 p.m. where I am at).

[CSM]

Good to hear Holiday. 

[supraman079]

Sounds good to me.

Chad

[guest8]

I think its all some BS conspiracy .. Who else is all for segregation?! 

[holiday]

I think its all some BS conspiracy .. Who else is all for segregation?! 

shit-stirrer...

[Bruce]

Just please don't make the vintage collectors sit in the back of the forum!