Unicorns

[erik1925]

On the subject, there was an auction for what appeared to be concept art for The Lost Boys on ebay some time ago.  The image was drawn of Michael and Sam standing on the bridge with the vamps hanging upside down underneath.  It was awesome.  If anyone can find a picture I would really appreciate you posting it.

Again. not the concept art but this Spanish one sheet, is one kick ass poster, in the graphics dept, as well-- really better than the US one sheet. The hanging vampires, and pale green face and eyes glaring from the center of the poster, behind the hands making the sign of the cross are all very eye appealing images:

[erik1925]

On the subject, there was an auction for what appeared to be concept art for The Lost Boys on ebay some time ago.  The image was drawn of Michael and Sam standing on the bridge with the vamps hanging upside down underneath.  It was awesome.  If anyone can find a picture I would really appreciate you posting it.

And one last very interesting style, that I had not seen before:







Jeff

[Chop-Top]

And one last very interesting style, that I had not seen before:







Jeff

Is this a U.S. one sheet?

[Harry Caul]

That's the quad. I have one in route from the UK as we speak.

[guest8]

I have the  Lost Boys quad as well ...



If you are looking for any of the quads be careful there are boot legs that measure a full inch short of the 30X40 .. and iirc they also have something off about the color of the text across the top it should be orange.

As for  the Spanish one sheet, while it has interesting components, I feel the poster as a whole is Sh!t the great drawings are just floating in a black space and then crammed in the lower corner a photo crammed in there .. The composition just kills it for me.

[ddilts399]

I've never seen this before was this an actual poster that was released?

This is the German Video poster and they do not come up for sale too often.

[CJ138]

Thank you for trying guys! What I am thinking of is similar to Paul's Back to the Future III promo piece of the delorian being pulled by horses: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1718.msg23078.html#msg23078
I will continue searching!
Thanks again,
Conor

[the chip guy]

Does this count??

[Gimpy]

Hmm a topic about unicorns I wonder if it's appropriate to post this here:



 

[Harry Caul]

I have the  Lost Boys quad as well ...



If you are looking for any of the quads be careful there are boot legs that measure a full inch short of the 30X40 .. and iirc they also have something off about the color of the text across the top it should be orange.

As for  the Spanish one sheet, while it has interesting components, I feel the poster as a whole is Sh!t the great drawings are just floating in a black space and then crammed in the lower corner a photo crammed in there .. The composition just kills it for me.

I just bought one of these and it has the same fold pattern as yours... folded in thirds vertically instead of in half.  I was told it was pulled out of some sort of 12" LP for the Doors cover track (People are Strange).  It does appear to be a genuine theater quad though and not a soundtrack poster.


You folks in the UK better start looking for these in your local LP shops!

[agentprovocateur]

Thought I'd post this in the unicorn section... sorry Harry



Buuut there is a serious point to me posting, when I got it back out of the plan chest to do some comparison shots with the bootleg version I noticed something interesting.

Have a close look at the strap line 'Believe the Unbelievable' and notice how it actually runs through the bottom of the title 'Matrix' (especially in the 'X' at the end). I thought it quite strange as the typography is really well organised and it's a bit sloppy to let this happen!

I then had a quick perusal of Holiday's photo of his 'Matrix' lightning poster and there the strap line was (lower) not interfering with the main title. Holiday if it's cool could you post your poster for comparison?

Admittedly my photo's not the best but I also noticed the one I have has a distinct blue cast to the whole poster, this shot of it by a couple of German versions shows how the colour differs, the one sheet is underneath the other two on the left.



I find this all very intriguing and wondered if the poster police gurus on here had an explanation!?

[Harry Caul]

That is weird.  It doesn't have the Sonis logo... so if its a boot it is not the typical one.  One Sheet Index has this poster up for authentication and his tagline does appear a bit lower and does not overlap with the title.  I'm not a member of his site, but if you sign up he has a super sized image if needed:

http://www.onesheetindex.com/movie_posters/science_fiction/matrix_1_7177.html






One of these was also sold on eBay a few years ago (which I started a threat about on MPF, before APF even existed).  The first picture is a little fuzzy from the camera flare, but if you look at the third pic you can clear see the tagline has not overlapped with the title.  I'm not certain this particular poster is an original, but it was speculated to be at the time:

http://www.movieposterforum.com/index.php?/topic/19398-matrix-lightning-poster-a-does-it-exist-b-what-is-the-story/








I don't really know what to tell you AP...  If someone was going to the trouble to boot and pass the authentication tests, I don't know why they would change the title like that.  Is all the fine print text clear and crisp? 

[agentprovocateur]

Cheers Harry... all very intriguing!

Here's a couple if close up shots of the type, I'm going to have to get the poster out again and try and borrow an uber camera for quality shots.




It MIGHT be a bootleg, BUT I can't believe it would be because if they were bootlegging them why would only a section of the typography shift?

The added conundrum is the differing colour, it's interesting that there's the typographic difference combined with the blue cast throughout the poster!

This is a shot of the bootleg next to the one sheet (only small to show size diff. as it's a really crap photo!).

[Harry Caul]

The color differences don't actually concern me all that much.  I've heard that the original 1-sheets are quite vibrant... more so than the germans.

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Cheers Harry... all very intriguing!

Well, I'm not 100% following you.

The "bootleg" you are showing is the Sonis reprint - it is a legal commercial reproduction as far as I know.

Didn't you buy the supposed original from MPA Dan?  Is it some kind of test print? Why don't you ask him about the slanted text?

Here is Holiday's poster (as posted on his website):

[agentprovocateur]

It's interesting tho, looking at Holiday's photo of his poster the colour range looks more like to the German versions than my one sheet.

Am texting my mate now to borrow his camera... can hopefully take some decent shots tomorrow.

[agentprovocateur]

Mel, I showed the comparison photo to point out the one sheet I got from Dan was the full size at 27"x40"... sorry didn't mean to confuse things calling the Sonis reprint a bootleg, my bad.

The crux of my question is why is there a difference at all between the one sheet I have to the two images Harry posted and the one on Holiday's site.

I will whiz an email off too Dan this afternoon with some photos to see if he can shed any light.

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Onesheetindex has not posted a "supersized" image on his website.  (I'm a "member" of his site - which is free BTW).  His text looks slanted too from the small "not so supersized" picture he posted:

[agentprovocateur]

Here we go, a couple taken with the flash showing the typography and colour difference much better.




And a detail shot.

[holiday]

This is the information from Dan's old site.  I got my copy from Steve Zammer at dsonesheets when he was still around, and while Steve's a lot of things, he's not one to handle bootlegs.  Between wehre I got the poster from and Dan's information below, I'm 100% confident in my copy.  I wish the picture was better, though. One day I'll update it.

Matrix Lightning International
International Matrix one sheet.
Created by Creative Domain for Warner Brothers.

Only came single sided to the best of my knowledge.

Original measures 26 15/16 x 39 3/4.

Reprint by Sonis measures 26 3/4 x 38 1/2.

Sonis logo on the bottom right corner.

[agentprovocateur]

Holiday thanks for the info., I wasn't casting aspersions on your poster at all, I just wanted to use your image of an authentic lightning poster to compare with the one I have.

I did email Dan, making sure he knew I had no issue with the sale at all, explaining what I'd noticed and whether he had any more info. on the poster I bought from him. He said...

I have a folded on linen – it matches the color and brightness of the one I sold and the one you have with the arrows on it.
The sonis reprint was taken off a printing where the text is lined up properly underneath "The Matrix"... as is my folded copy on linen.
 
Question remains why?
I wonder if they printed the poster I sold you... then realized the problem and then corrected it.
I have never heard of two printings of that style other than the Sonis reprint.

Not sure if I'm ever going to find out the complete story unless I go back to the design company or distributor and hope there's someone there that remembers the campaign!

[agentprovocateur]

I've emailed the design company and asked very politely if anyone remembers there being two versions of this poster printed, one with the overlapping strapline and one where it's separated from the title. Not holding out much hope, but fingers crossed!

Another two emails have been sent to people that have one of these posters asking about the strap lines position etc.

Will leave it there now and let y'all know if there's any response!

[Edit: I'm not even going to get into the two 'Lightning' posters I've got winging their way from Australia atm! Haven't got a clue what's going to turn up, but supposedly one's rolled and the other folded version came out of a limited edition press pack!]

[holiday]

Holiday thanks for the info., I wasn't casting aspersions on your poster at all,

None taken.  I just was offering up mine as a known original for the purpose of comparison, and providing the backup for my claim that it is original.

Good luck in your quest!  Yours will be the next Matrix authentication, without doubt!

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

This is a textbook example of how a good quality fake can be created.  You can download a large (2000x3000)"textless" version of this poster here.  You then "blow up" that image four times with special software to 8100 x 12000 size, which is a 300dpi 27x40 poster.  You then recreate the credits by matching the fonts.  The end product looks very good - the fonts are razor sharp, the artwork looks good, etc.

Not saying it was done here, just could have been done and could be done.

[agentprovocateur]

'Fraid I've received no replies to my emails regarding the lightning poster.

After scrutinising the poster I have next to Holiday's I also noticed there is another (slight) discrepancy between them. The website typography (www.whatisthematrix.com) at the bottom of Holiday's begins under the 'R' of Joel Silver and on mine it begins further right. I have manipulated both photos so the type is clearer. Notice the different places the '.com' starts under the other typography.

And having just uploaded the photos I also noticed the 'Soundtrack...' text on Holiday's starts much closer to the 'S' of the word Brothers than on mine!

Holiday's


Mine


The other thing worth mentioning is that from the (very!) small thumbnail on the twinkle site it looks possible that they have the same (overlapping strap line) poster as me. Has anyone been sent a good quality photo of the poster from twinkle?

Original


My blow up


My conclusions? Nothing definite whatsoever! Buuut... I could stick my neck out and say it is one of two options:
1. It's a bad fake - the poster was recreated from whatever files they had and the type was added with a couple of discrepancies.
2. It's the original design - the poster is the first printing but when someone spotted the overlapping strapline they reprinted them and moved the web address as well.

I will leave it there for the moment and stop cluttering this thread up... if I get any more info I'll start a new thread in the authentication area.