Author Topic: Tom Loce (tloceposters) fake thread (Read 65193 times)

Monster_A_GoGo · « **Reply #125 on:** February 21, 2017, 11:55:59 PM »

I got scammed back in December. it was my own damn fault, too. It was one of my 5 a.m., just woke up and need to get ready for work bids on some GODZILLA film festival quad:

...if only i had paid attention to who the seller was before I bid (and won). UGH! And he is STILL selling this title (and a similar ILSA Film Festival poster).

Blah!

erik1925 · « **Reply #126 on:** February 22, 2017, 12:53:14 AM »

Ouch..

. hopefully it wasnt super expensive.

Shawn, are the measurements on that piece you bought correct? (30x40) Or is it slightly undersized?

What year was this supposed to be from?

How did you later determine it wasnt legit?

Monster_A_GoGo · « **Reply #127 on:** February 22, 2017, 12:59:12 AM »

Here's the auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371808889817?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I never bothered to look at it. It's in a box somewhere. How did i determine it was a fake? It's tloce and an as yet never-before-seen poster. It's so strange how he coincidentally has a similar ILSA Film Festival poster--done in the same style--that was never released and he has several copies of.

Monster_A_GoGo · « **Reply #128 on:** February 22, 2017, 01:01:07 AM »

Here's the Ilsa poster:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ILSA-SHE-WOLF-4-FILM-FESTIVAL-ORIG-MOVIE-POSTER-1978-DYANNE-THORNE-HAREM-WARDEN-/371843768854?hash=item56939da216:g:SnIAAOSw-0xYd9hS

erik1925 · « **Reply #129 on:** February 22, 2017, 01:09:57 AM »

Looks like your poster had some action going, with 38 bids.

Not everything he sells is fake. He's one of those that has the good mixed in with the bad. (And im not condoning buying from him or not, just stating what I have heard from other collectors).

From the description and the fact he says it was to be a festival that never came about, there is always the chance that it could be the real deal. The size is right, according to his description. And perhaps the distributor had some local printer run some of these off.

It could be bogus, but considering it was for some film festival in 1982, I'd dig a little more before tossing it off as a fake (and it certainly could be phony but i think a bit more

might be needed).

Maybe you got lucky!

Monster_A_GoGo · « **Reply #130 on:** February 22, 2017, 01:12:16 AM »

Well, having the very similar ILSA Film Festival one sheet pop up at the same time is super suspicious. I'm not gonna hold my breath. It's NOT that exciting of a poster. It can live in the box.

erik1925 · « **Reply #131 on:** February 22, 2017, 01:14:22 AM »

Quote from: Monster_A_GoGo on February 22, 2017, 01:12:16 AM

Well, having the very similar ILSA Film Festival one sheet pop up at the same time is super suspicious. I'm not gonna hold my breath. It's NOT that exciting of a poster. It can live in the box.

Then why did you buy it in the first place?

Monster_A_GoGo · « **Reply #132 on:** February 22, 2017, 01:16:05 AM »

It was a GODZILLA poster I had never seen before. I love me my GODZILLA (and all giant monsters), but it IS kind of a dull poster...and the fact it came from tloce and is probably a fake just kills it for me.

erik1925 · « **Reply #133 on:** February 22, 2017, 01:20:27 AM »

A film festival poster put out by some small distributor is NOT a theatrical release poster. All Im saying is that there is potential for it to be legit, dull and more crudely designed and printed or not.

I personally like the large Godzilla image, front and center. It certainly grabs my eye.

And I dont ever recall reading before that tloce was one to "create" never before seen posters. His claim to fame, in collecting circles at least, was re-producing posters that already exist.

Perhaps others with more tloce "experience" will chime in, as Ive never bought from him (and on purpose).

Neo · « **Reply #134 on:** February 22, 2017, 02:21:47 AM »

Quote from: erik1925 on February 22, 2017, 01:20:27 AM

And I dont ever recall reading before that tloce was one to "create" never before seen posters. His claim to fame, in collecting circles at least, was re-producing posters that already exist.

There are some Pirates of the Caribbean posters that have nice mermaids, only made in bus shelter size, that tloce had in one sheets. Someone mentioned other posters he had that were never produced by the studios.

erik1925 · « **Reply #135 on:** February 22, 2017, 01:51:38 PM »

Quote from: Neo on February 22, 2017, 02:21:47 AM

There are some Pirates of the Caribbean posters that have nice mermaids, only made in bus shelter size, that tloce had in one sheets. Someone mentioned other posters he had that were never produced by the studios.

Sounds like he took those large size images and shrunk them down. I wonder what it takes to do that?

jedgerley · « **Reply #136 on:** February 22, 2017, 02:24:51 PM »

Quote from: erik1925 on February 22, 2017, 01:51:38 PM

Sounds like he took those large size images and shrunk them down. I wonder what it takes to do that?

Resize image and click print. That easy.

archstanton · « **Reply #137 on:** February 22, 2017, 08:43:16 PM »

Just took a chance and bought a The Fog quad and a Pumping Iron "Arnold style" one sheet and both were fakes! The Fog was on new, glossy paper with obvious poor printing (fuzzy text, poor colors), and the Pumping Iron takes the cake as he printed it on this flat type paper that looks vintage, but it also had the fuzzy text and images.

I have had a real Fog quad before and this forgery was apparent within a second. I haven't had a Pumping Iron before but was suspicious right away with the fuzzy text typical of repros done from digital scans. After looking at the text on sales results from Heritage and Emovie it was verifiable that this one was a fake as well.

Who fakes The Fog posters? I thought I might be safe with that. I guess that explains why he has sold numerous mint copies of this Pumping Iron one sheet that is somewhat of a rare poster.

brude · « **Reply #138 on:** February 22, 2017, 08:52:20 PM »

Bastard.
Get your money back and report him.

Damomac · « **Reply #139 on:** February 24, 2017, 05:05:54 AM »

Sorry to hear archstanton but you never buy off him ever - just never ever. I question if more than 20% of the posters he sells are original, i wouldn't be surprised at all if that was the case. The risk to all of us is buying off someone else that has bought off him - sometimes its hard to tell in photos and you need to have the item on hand to be sure. Best of luck with your next purchase

Crazy Vick · « **Reply #140 on:** February 24, 2017, 11:00:26 AM »

aren't some of you close to Rochester NY? Maybe y'all can get together and pay Loce a visit...Bring Ted that will scare the shit out of him.

at the very least get him to agree to changing that ugly carpet!

brude · « **Reply #141 on:** February 24, 2017, 02:07:30 PM »

I'm not far away.
I know him and where he is.
Send your money to my PayPal and we'll see what we can do.

paul waines · « **Reply #142 on:** February 25, 2017, 08:00:34 AM »

Quote from: Monster_A_GoGo on February 22, 2017, 12:59:12 AM

Here's the auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371808889817?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I never bothered to look at it. It's in a box somewhere. How did i determine it was a fake? It's tloce and an as yet never-before-seen poster. It's so strange how he coincidentally has a similar ILSA Film Festival poster--done in the same style--that was never released and he has several copies of.

A friend of mine won this poster (I did warn him)) When it came he sent it straight back, as it was a definite fake.

Monster_A_GoGo · « **Reply #143 on:** February 25, 2017, 08:22:06 AM »

It's been more than 60 days, so i can not send it back, I DID just now try to report him to eBay---but doubt it will do any good.

erik1925 · « **Reply #144 on:** February 26, 2017, 01:28:10 AM »

Quote from: Monster_A_GoGo on February 25, 2017, 08:22:06 AM

It's been more than 60 days, so i can not send it back, I DID just now try to report him to eBay---but doubt it will do any good.

Just curious... what do you mean you tried to report him? Did you actually send a complaint of some kind via the ebay system? Or did it not go through for some reason?

If successful, it certainly cant hurt. I would bet that many that get scammed by him do nothing at all.

And maybe just some friendly advice: Don't bid on or buy anything when waking up and still groggy-eyed and groggy-headed, at 5 AM.

Take a breath, have a Mai-Tai and Then decide.

brude · « **Reply #145 on:** February 26, 2017, 07:31:42 AM »

Hey Shawn, I'd drop Loce a line and tell him you just discovered the poster is fake and you're reporting him.
He'll probably send you a refund to avoid any bad press.

Monster_A_GoGo · « **Reply #146 on:** February 26, 2017, 08:25:42 AM »

JEFF and TED I hit the "Contact Us" button to report him. There really was no way to contact ebay (no phone number) other than this little complaint box. I clicked it and reported he sells fakes. There was not a lot of room to elaborate. I sent it. That is how I "tried" to report him. And since I already did so, there's no chance any sort of threat of me doing so will get me a refund because it has been done. No big deal. 5:24 am. Time to hit the showers. No bids placed...oooo but I had some things on Heritage I was watching that close today. Hmm.

shadytrade · « **Reply #147 on:** March 02, 2017, 02:30:07 PM »

Quote from: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 05, 2012, 10:51:20 PM

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Are all of this guys posters fake? I just ordered two from him, time to start the refund process I guess.

brude · « **Reply #148 on:** March 02, 2017, 02:37:07 PM »

Quote from: calvinjh on March 02, 2017, 02:30:07 PM

Are all of this guys posters fake? I just ordered two from him, time to start the refund process I guess.

Welcome to APF, calvinjh.
Tloce does sell both originals and fakes.
Post 'em when you receive 'em so we can look and see.

Or better yet, post the url for each of the posters you bought and we'll tell you what we know.

erik1925 · « **Reply #149 on:** March 02, 2017, 02:50:07 PM »

First,

to the forum, Calvin. Enjoy it and glad to have you!

And yes, please post the posters or urls, as Ted mentioned. This guy sells a mix of things, both legit and fake, so maybe you wont need to walk the refund line.

One thing is always the same, though: Loce's brown shag carpet backdrop and bad lighting. $:-\$

Jeff

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Author Topic: Tom Loce (tloceposters) fake thread (Read 65193 times)