Tom Loce (tloceposters) fake thread

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Tom Loce is so wicked he deserves his own thread. I put two and two together and figured out his game.  He's taking the images of popular posters from MoviePosterDB.com and printing them, just like MovieGoods. That explains everything: the fuzzy text, the printouts on heavy luster paper (readily available at print shops), etc.  What a con artist that guy is....

This Pirates 4 poster was only printed as a bus shelters.  Loce grabbed the image from MoviePosterDB and prints it on demand.
Same with the other version.

He never had an original Black Swan.  He grabbed the image from MPDB.


He took the DVD cover of Big Lebowski from MPDB and prints it at an enormous scam profit.

[Bruce]

So does that make MoviePosterDB.com an accessory to a crime?

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

So does that make MoviePosterDB.com an accessory to a crime?

It's a crime to distribute or sell $1,000+ unauthorized copies of copyrighted works in any 180 day period.  Loce easily meets that threshold. 

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Check out my revised section on Loce on MPC.  It lays out the case point-by-point how Loce is engaging in deceptive trade practices and false advertising and how he qualifies as a copyright criminal:

http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake-Seller-tloceposters.html

[ddilts399]

I am honestly surprised there are not more sellers doing this. Large format printers are relatively cheap. The scanners are what would cost you about as much as a car, but now with the large digital images on the net, the scanners are not really needed. I always wanted a scanner to get perfectly crisp images for my database of my own stuff, just the pricing is ridiculous for the technology.

[Bruce]

If there were a website with large sharp images of twenty dollar bills that you could download and print, and then use to cheat people, why would that site not be aiding and abetting criminals, and how is this any different?

[CineMasterpieces]

If you buy a gun at a gun store (assume its done legally with a background check and waiting period) and then you kill someone, is the gun store owner responsible? No.

A bartender serves you one or two drinks, you get drunk and kill someone with your car, is he/she responsible? No.

You buy spray paint at home depot and vandalize a car, is home depot responsible? No.

You download hi res images from a website and create fake posters, is the website responsible? No.

[jayn_j]

A bartender serves you one or two drinks, you get drunk and kill someone with your car, is he/she responsible? No.

Happened to my daughter while bartending.  She cut the guy off and took his keys.  He grabbed the spare set and went to another bar, then flipped the car and killed his passenger.  Was she responsible?  No.  Did she feel responsible?  You better believe it.  Went to the hospital.  Went to the funeral.  Moped around the house for a month.

Always wondered what the legitimate purpose was for ultra high resolution images of copyrighted works.

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

If MPDB sells $1,000 of copyrighted images in any 180 day period, then they are criminals too.

They claim they don't encourage or profit from the printing of their images.

[stewart boyle]

If there were a website with large sharp images of twenty dollar bills that you could download and print, and then use to cheat people, why would that site not be aiding and abetting criminals, and how is this any different?

Say you specialised in opium/poppy seeds..all you are doing is selling opium seeds,nowt wrong with that.
What I choose to do with the result of the harvest of those seeds is a different matter..

Stew

[Bruce]

There have been lots and lots of cases of bars successfully sued for getting people really drunk and then they kill someone in their cars.

There is no legitimate reason for selling high rez scans of copyrighted material OTHER THAN to make high quality copies.

[guest8]

There have been lots and lots of cases of bars successfully sued for getting people really drunk and then they kill someone in their cars.

There is no legitimate reason for selling high rez scans of copyrighted material OTHER THAN to make high quality copies.

Those cases are only when the bar/bar tender was blatantly and extremely negligent.

[brude]

Kinkos is forbidden to reproduce copyrighted material unless the customer is the copyright owner.
So, if Kinkos prints a full-size poster for a client, aren't they accessories to a crime?

And, if you send this info to Ebay and they ignore it, aren't they helping to facilitate a crime?

[Silhouette]

And, if you send this info to Ebay and they ignore it, aren't they helping to facilitate a crime?

I think this is the real problem - Ebay pretty much refuse to do anything about people who engage in criminal activity on their website  (or at the least ignore it) , even after they are advised. Ebay should be campaigned against as much as the sellers of fakes. If you remove their outlet you may not stop them but you would certainly slow them down to a crawl.

It should be a concerted effort by all to clean up these people.

Mel, you draft the letter and I would be happy to send it to eBay for each and every identified fake item/seller. Surely it's a numbers game, the more that complain the more likely something will be done?

[jayn_j]

I doubt Loce is going to Kinkos these days.  Cost of those prints wouldn't leave him any profit.

Those large format high res printers have a steep depreciation.  You used to be able to pick up a decent one for a hundred bucks or so.

[Charlie]

What scares me is 40 years from now; how will these be viewed and what effect will it have on originals...  Not so much on the destroy Tloce bandwagon but more of educate, educate, educate until he and others can no longer make enough money to exist...  It's like drugs kill one drug lord another takes his place.

Maybe we should create listings for each of his and others high profile fakes and put them on eBay... With approved sellers.

Want this poster?  Do you want an original?  Buy it from these sellers: X X X  Before wasting your money buying a fake, swing on by the Allposterforum and learn more about the hobby...  

We could even raise money to help bring lawsuits and what not.

If this information was helpful buy this allposterforum poster (just a flyer or something) for $1.99 to help establish a fund to bring justice to those breaking copyright laws... etc.

Or Mel could do this with his website and then actually take Loce to court... 

[jayn_j]

To put it somewhat into perspective, if we 'educate' all of tloce's customers we will have a large block of people taping legitimate posters to their dorm walls where they can become beer soaked and torn.

In a way, he is providing a service by putting out an inexpensive product to folks who don't really care.

<devil advocate mode off>

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[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

To put it somewhat into perspective, if we 'educate' all of tloce's customers we will have a large block of people taping legitimate posters to their dorm walls where they can become beer soaked and torn.

In a way, he is providing a service by putting out an inexpensive product to folks who don't really care.

<devil advocate mode off>

Kenobi: "I need your help, Luke. She needs your help. I'm getting too old for this sort of thing."

Skywalker: "Listen, I can't get involved! It's not that I like the Empire, I hate it, but there's nothing I can do about it right now. It's such a long way from here."

Kenobi: "That's your uncle talking."


*****

We need to take on this con artist extraordinare. I'm doing my part....

[Silhouette]

We need to take on this con artist extraordinare. I'm doing my part....

Refer my comment above

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

WILL MIRACLES NEVER CEASE?

Tom Loce MIRACULOUSLY happens to have TWO of virtually every rolled insert he sells!  

I guess TWO is a magic number, isn't it?

Well, I'm going to have to build a separate webpage just to celebrate this MIRACLE OF MIRACLES!

[50s]

Huh? 2 of what? More examples?

I'm surprised tloce's feedback rating didn't tick over while I was reading all that

[Zorba]

How can we be sure the actual listings arent themselves fake? I dont see any weights. 

[jayn_j]

Kenobi: "I need your help, Luke. She needs your help. I'm getting too old for this sort of thing."

Skywalker: "Listen, I can't get involved! It's not that I like the Empire, I hate it, but there's nothing I can do about it right now. It's such a long way from here."

Kenobi: "That's your uncle talking."


*****

We need to take on this con artist extraordinare. I'm doing my part....

Of course, it might not be so bad if every copy in circulation became beer soaked and torn....  as long as you already had one safely tucked away.   

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

I think this is the real problem - Ebay pretty much refuse to do anything about people who engage in criminal activity on their website  (or at the least ignore it) , even after they are advised. Ebay should be campaigned against as much as the sellers of fakes. If you remove their outlet you may not stop them but you would certainly slow them down to a crawl.

It should be a concerted effort by all to clean up these people.

Mel, you draft the letter and I would be happy to send it to eBay for each and every identified fake item/seller. Surely it's a numbers game, the more that complain the more likely something will be done?

Thanks but just a bit premature for that.  We gotta build up a better case, send some fakes to MPGrading.com, etc.  Ebay is not going to move against a money-maker without convincing proof and right now has 99.8% favorables.