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Offline Harry Caul

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #100 on: March 06, 2012, 08:20:00 AM »
You and me both. What a nightmare.

Well, in all fairness to BR, we could posterbate all day long about *any* mildly popular rolled poster from the 80s.  There is nothing unique about this poster.

All the speculative arguments presented here against BR:

Was there extra indistinguishable print run from the original plates used for the video market?
Could there be high quality reprints/bootlegs?
How *exactly* do we distinguish between different print runs?
What if one is a fake?
How do we spot modern high quality reprints from internet auction photos?
Etc...


could be easily applied to other posters.

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #101 on: March 06, 2012, 08:27:05 AM »
Don't get me wrong Harry.  
I'm just breathing a sigh of relief that I don't have to worry about the provenance of my poster.
This is a very informative and valuable thread.
Without all the angling by APF's finest, we would all be in the dark about the uncertain origins of this and other posters from the 80s.
A fine piece of reading.  Thanks!
« Last Edit: March 06, 2012, 08:30:02 AM by brude »

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #102 on: March 06, 2012, 09:12:47 AM »
are fake Blade Runner posters called REPLICANTS?

And are they retired when you find out?  ;D


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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #104 on: March 06, 2012, 02:25:01 PM »
Well, in all fairness to BR, we could posterbate all day long about *any* mildly popular rolled poster from the 80s.  There is nothing unique about this poster.

All the speculative arguments presented here against BR:

Was there extra indistinguishable print run from the original plates used for the video market?
Could there be high quality reprints/bootlegs?
How *exactly* do we distinguish between different print runs?
What if one is a fake?
How do we spot modern high quality reprints from internet auction photos?
Etc...


could be easily applied to other posters.

Great summary, Dr. Caul.  Y'all have provided a wealth of knowledge on this topic not only for Blade Runner one sheets, but also, as you mentioned, for other titles.  thumbup

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #106 on: March 06, 2012, 05:56:38 PM »
Well, if Dan is going to use the timing of this thread, which he is obviously reading, to hawk his wares, then he should pony up some info... 

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #107 on: March 06, 2012, 06:00:29 PM »
Well, if Dan is going to use the timing of this thread, which he is obviously reading, to hawk his wares, then he should pony up some info... 

Indeed...
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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #108 on: March 06, 2012, 06:28:25 PM »
it's weird.......he has been "leaving" the poster hobby for about 7 years now.

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #109 on: March 06, 2012, 06:29:44 PM »
it's weird.......he has been "leaving" the poster hobby for about 7 years now.

Takes a long time to sell off that collection.
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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #110 on: March 06, 2012, 06:35:05 PM »
that would be true....but he keeps buying posters.

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #111 on: March 06, 2012, 06:38:37 PM »
that would be true....but he keeps buying posters.

It is an incurable addiction.

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #112 on: March 06, 2012, 07:33:55 PM »
It is an incurable addiction.

That it is!

Luckily there is an endless supply.

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #113 on: March 06, 2012, 08:50:12 PM »
Now we are cookin' with GASOLINE!

On the left is an image of my studio issue bootleg (click here for the big version)... on the right is a rolled studio issue from Cinemasterpieces (click here for the big version).  Notice any differences?




Even in these small pictures this bootleg seems like an easy one to avoid.  You should be able to spot it in eBay auctions as well.  You can definitely tell that the bootleg didn't capture the fine detail.  The crushed the contrast and detail is missing pretty much everywhere -- in her jacket, at the bottom of his gun, on the side of face, in the smoke, the underside of the car, in the rooftops on the middle right, etc...  And to top it all off the credits are blurry and the title is too red.  I know there could still be small difference do the photos being taken by different people, but I would trust MPGrading not the crush the detail like this.  Their photos are white balance and color calibrated.  I say case closed on being able to spot the bootleg. 

I love it when a plan comes together  :D

By the way, MPGrading said they have recieved at least 3 of these studio issue bootlegs now (all exactly the same).  They have only authenticated one BR, my NSS v3. 

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #114 on: March 06, 2012, 09:12:25 PM »
Dave's doesn't have creases?  And SJP is missing...

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #115 on: March 06, 2012, 09:13:25 PM »
Actually if you look at the tree Dave's looks much sharper...

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #116 on: March 06, 2012, 09:14:17 PM »
"You can definitely tell that the bootleg didn't capture the fine detail"

I have been lucky enough to see lots of bootlegs side by side with known originals, and this is almost always true, because they were almost always created from scans of the originals themselves, and fine quality is lost. Always look at areas that have fine detail (like a solid area that fades gently to another color) and you can almost always see something that doesn't look "right" in the bootleg.

And of course, there is the paper quality. I have poor vision and hearing, but I have a great sense of touch, and I have felt tens of thousands of posters. Paper changed between the 1970s and 1990s (as Todd has confirmed) and I can almost always easily tell the difference by touching both, even with my eyes closed.

Bruce

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #117 on: March 06, 2012, 09:14:55 PM »
The text thickness on the "LADD Company" is much more uniform and thicker on Dave's too...

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #118 on: March 06, 2012, 09:16:30 PM »
You can't make out the definition in the architectural features of the columns.  Damn Matt I thought this was going to be hard...

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #119 on: March 06, 2012, 10:03:17 PM »
You can't make out the definition in the architectural features of the columns.  Damn Matt I thought this was going to be hard...

Well IT WILL be hard on eBay because very rarely do sellers actually post good enough quality photos.

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #120 on: March 06, 2012, 10:05:27 PM »
Thanks for posting those Matt - this is exactly what I was trying to accomplish in starting this thread.

I also noticed something amazing on your bootleg - it looks like there is a hair on Sean Young's chin!

Could this be another scenario like the Hairy Belt Leia Star Wars bootlegs?!





Or it could just be a defect in the photo...hmmm... ;)
Chris

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #121 on: March 07, 2012, 09:41:20 PM »
Well IT WILL be hard on eBay because very rarely do sellers actually post good enough quality photos.



Don't buy from those people :)
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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #122 on: March 07, 2012, 10:42:25 PM »
Don't buy from those people :)

Of course very sound advice there Ves (as always)
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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #123 on: March 08, 2012, 11:33:35 PM »
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...


I doubted anyone remembered me.....found this forum yesterday...and noticed that perhaps there were a few who did.
I see some of the usual suspects....great to see some of you...those of you who I have been contact on and off over the years sharing information and the love of the hobby.
With that being said...yes I left the mainstream...off the grid for the most part...and I will probably remain this way...
I have looked over this forum and I see some very clever people here who continue to "do their homework"...and I am glad to see that my legacy lives on to try and unearth the truth about movie posters....good for you guys!

Keep it up!!

It was kind of neat scrolling over a few of your past threads...looking at how you came about the conclusions that you did...or didn't...
Some of the printings I had wondered about myself as well..like a trip down memory lane...

Anyway take care and I guess I will see you around from time-to-time.

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Re: Blade Runner 27x41 1982 US or International Rolled Reprints?
« Reply #124 on: March 09, 2012, 12:20:12 AM »
 welcome1 aboard, Dan.