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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #275 on: February 19, 2012, 04:32:21 PM »
I like the Dracula.

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #276 on: February 19, 2012, 04:37:56 PM »
You've beat me to the Dracula but thank you for sharing my image of it just unmounted!
Here's a few more......
here's how vibrant the colors are..

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #277 on: February 19, 2012, 04:38:11 PM »
This is just something to fire out here..
If you had the means to buy this poster,would you prefer the un-restored over the restored example?

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #278 on: February 19, 2012, 04:44:12 PM »
You've beat me to the Dracula but thank you for sharing my image of it just unmounted!

Yeah. I got excited. Looked damn good as was.

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #279 on: February 19, 2012, 04:53:08 PM »
Same Drac poster. Pre-restore and online catalog images:




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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #280 on: February 19, 2012, 04:56:51 PM »
You've beat me to the Dracula but thank you for sharing my image of it just unmounted!

Thanks for the photos Grey.  Did you (HA) end up buying these directly?  Or were they consigned to you?  I'm just curious how it all played out at the little auction house where these were first sold...

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #281 on: February 19, 2012, 04:59:45 PM »
This is just something to fire out here..
If you had the means to buy this poster,would you prefer the un-restored over the restored example?

Stew

Unrestored, especially since the the bottom border had to be re-created. During that process, was the entire poster border airbrushed in order to make it match?

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #282 on: February 19, 2012, 05:00:16 PM »
Same Drac poster. Pre-restore and online catalog images:




Is there a portion missing from the bottom of this?
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #283 on: February 19, 2012, 05:01:37 PM »
Sorry Jan...same question crossed my mind.

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #284 on: February 19, 2012, 05:05:55 PM »
Per the catalog description, the entire bottom border of the poster, when found, was trimmed to the start of the artwork (no artwork was compromised however). It had to be re-created and restored.

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #285 on: February 19, 2012, 05:11:06 PM »
Per the catalog description, the entire bottom border of the poster, when found, was trimmed to the start of the artwork (no artwork was compromised however). It had to be re-created and restored.
Cheers mate..

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #287 on: February 19, 2012, 05:13:20 PM »
This is just something to fire out here..
If you had the means to buy this poster,would you prefer the un-restored over the restored example?

Stew

In the case of this Dracula poster, I would prefer the restored example over having it how it was when peeled apart.
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #288 on: February 19, 2012, 05:17:11 PM »

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This is how it appeared unrestored other than washed and mounted.

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #289 on: February 19, 2012, 05:23:54 PM »
Fantastic photos Grey - thank you for sharing.

The colors on the Dracula are incredible (even without the benefit of the professional lighting/photographing used after restoration), and The Bat Whispers even more so.
Look forward to seeing it in person.
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #290 on: February 19, 2012, 08:31:03 PM »
so where's Harry??


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This is how it appeared unrestored other than washed and mounted.

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #291 on: February 19, 2012, 10:01:11 PM »
Thanks Grey!

Now that we've seen the unrestored/partially restored photos, what does everybody think it will sell for? Will it beat the prior sale? Damn I need to win the lottery in the next month....

The prior one had less restoration, so I'm thinking in the low 200s. Then again this may not come up for sale again for years or maybe decades.....

This gorgeous copy has been conserved on linen with touch-up to a couple of pinholes in each corner. There are several minor tears in the border and very minor crossfold separation with tiny paper loss at two points in the poster. There were a couple of small scratches near the Dwight Frye character's right hip which have been touched-up as well. The minor conservation work was performed beautifully. The other two copies of this museum quality one sheet are now in collections, and may not come up for sale for years to come! This is a chance to acquire a cornerstone to the most advanced collection. Provenance; From the Collection of Nicolas Cage. Very Fine on Linen. Estimate: $200,000 - $300,000.

The sad thing is that even something like Drac is still small time compared to the original art market.  Look at this dreck being sold at Christies next month in the $200,000 - $300,000 range:





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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #292 on: February 20, 2012, 12:52:41 AM »
Please post more pics of the posters pre-restoration if you can Grey (and thanks for sharing these!)
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #293 on: February 20, 2012, 02:17:11 PM »
Great series of pictures, Grey, of the work as it was in progress. Thanks for posting them!



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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #294 on: February 20, 2012, 02:26:40 PM »
Sorry but is it just me, has the question about the image on the auction accurately portraying the poster's colours been categorically answered?

I totally understand the overall condition is fantastic but the representation on the auction looks like one of those beauty adverts in a magazine, all manipulated, saturated and tweaked (nothing like what the model actually looks like in real life and still different to the original photograph). You can see no paper texture, no difference in the matt'ness (not sure if that's a word) of the inks.

I know I'm not a 'vintage' poster collector and have never dealt with restoration, but the two images below strike me as very different. If (and that's a 'never' if) I was in the position to buy a poster like this I would be perturbed about the over-worked photo on the auction, to me it doesn't actually look like a photo!

Suppose my real question is why don't Heritage take a high quality photo of the poster like emovieposter does that shows (with much more accuracy) the real colours of the poster? For example the red of the main 'Dracula' type in the auction image is perfect spanking red, I would be amazed if it looked like that in real life.

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Same Drac poster. Pre-restore and online catalog images:





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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #295 on: February 20, 2012, 02:42:34 PM »
These are the pics in chronological sequence - 1st pic, as found; 2nd pic, washed and mounted; 3rd pic, as advertised:

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #296 on: February 20, 2012, 02:45:42 PM »
Here is a better side by side comparison of the mounted poster, on linen, while in the process of being restored and the final, catalog presentation. I dont think the final catalog 'retouching/saturation image' question has been addressed yet, either, by Heritage. Taking into consideration the differences in photography and lighting (the image on the left does look more cloudy and blue), the the final, catalog image appears to have been boosted and saturated.




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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #297 on: February 20, 2012, 02:57:32 PM »
The "washed and restored" pic with light levels properly adjusted looks closer to the advertised picture, although I have to agree that the final advertised appears saturated. Would the colors have become so saturated after drying for a few days?

Unadjusted:



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Compared:





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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #298 on: February 20, 2012, 03:03:25 PM »
the real question is: who cares??

as I stated earlier in this thread - anyone who is interested in this poster (and has the money to buy it) will go to Dallas or send someone to Dallas to examine the poster in person. Anyone else is the "Peanut Gallery".


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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #299 on: February 20, 2012, 03:08:03 PM »
the real question is: who cares??

as I stated earlier in this thread - anyone who is interested in this poster (and has the money to buy it) will go to Dallas or send someone to Dallas to examine the poster in person. Anyone else is the "Peanut Gallery".

And of course it will be shown on live video (most likely behind the auctioneer) during the auction for all to see as well....