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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2011, 08:26:19 PM »
Thanks for sharing John.  Some people have all the luck  ;)
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2011, 09:00:18 PM »
I know Matias - I wonder if the value of those 20 posters was equated into the sale price of the house originally?  ;)

Would love to know the back story, too.. ie: who the person was that originally put the posters under the floor (insulation reasons?), etc.
Did this person work for a theater, distributor? All make for added fascinating details, since various styles for the same great films were acquired and stored.

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2011, 09:16:58 PM »
Would love to know the back story, too.. ie: who the person was that originally put the posters under the floor (insulation reasons?), etc.
Did this person work for a theater, distributor? All make for added fascinating details, since various styles for the same great films were acquired and stored.

Jeff



Jeff, Matt does state a little bit about the history in the first post.
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2011, 10:08:11 PM »
Jeezum crow.... 500,000 posters.
Apparently, you've lived the wet dream most of us poster hoarders pray for on a regular basis.  wynk
Great story.  Thanks for sharing.
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2011, 11:20:38 PM »
Jeff, Matt does state a little bit about the history in the first post.

Thanks Chris... i was drawn to the pics and quickly scanned the article.. missed that part...

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2011, 02:21:57 PM »
So is it possible this came from the middle of one of the stacks?

http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7055&lotIdNo=9017
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2011, 02:40:13 PM »
not if this is the only restoration:

 Restoration has addressed pinholes, some tears and slight chipping in the image area, credits, and left border, and 1-3/4 " and 1" of missing white paper has been replace in the right and top border respectively

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2011, 02:42:17 PM »
not if this is the only restoration:

 Restoration has addressed pinholes, some tears and slight chipping in the image area, credits, and left border, and 1-3/4 " and 1" of missing white paper has been replace in the right and top border respectively

Yes, I did notice that Rich - got me thinking maybe it was somewhat safely cocooned in the middle
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2011, 02:52:01 PM »
Yes, I did notice that Rich - got me thinking maybe it was somewhat safely cocooned in the middle

if you've ever seen a poster that was reclaimed from such a situation, you would know it is unlikely.
you lose all kinds of pieces from small to large and the result is a poster that Bruce calls lots of paint

such sandwich signs are slathered with wall paper paste to mount each successive poster and that is very difficult to deal with

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2011, 03:25:22 PM »
Heritage does mention "slight chipping" ;)
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2011, 03:47:29 PM »
such a process as unlayering pasted together paper sheets would leave major damage

when it was done with a panel years ago that had a 1931 Mummy 1sh, I don't think any poster in the layers was more than 50-75% present. that's why the Mummy only sold for $50k

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2011, 03:49:42 PM »
So is it possible this came from the middle of one of the stacks?

http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7055&lotIdNo=9017

I vote yes.  Did you see this recent post by Grey?  

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3600.0/topicseen.html

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For our upcoming March 2012 auction, deadline is January 25th,  we are looking for valuable and rare posters for consignment to accompany pieces already in the auction which include:

Cimarron –one sheet
Public Enemy – Style A and B one sheets
Little Caesar- Style B one sheet
Dishonored- Style A and B one sheets
Maltese Falcon (1931)- one sheet
Ten Commandments (1923)- Style A and B one sheets
Black Room- Title Card
Ten Cents a Dance- Style A one sheet
Only Angels Have Wings- one sheet
Society Dog Show – one sheet
Scarlet Empress- half sheet
Cat People- one sheet
Three Weekends (1928)- one sheet
Bat Whispers- one sheet- Hap Hadley artwork
Front Page -1931 one sheet
Casablanca –one sheet
And many more….

1931 is making a strong showing in their upcoming action.  I know for a fact that Dishonored and Little Ceasar were in the stack.  And there were two Millies so I wouldn't be surprised if there were doubles of others (Maltese Falcon included).  One of the stacks definitely had trimmed borders on the right and top.  

From my original post... that stack had a trimmed border and Dishonored on the back.

STACK 5: MILLIE - Now we start getting into stacks that are beat up.  This one has what looks to be black mold stains on the front, and the top and sides are missing a good few inches of paper... artwork too, not just borders.  On the back you can make out "DI" in the lower right (after flipping it horizontally so the text is in the correct direction) and "GLEN" in the top left.  I'm fairly certain the back poster is this one from Dishonored with Dietrich: http://www.movieposterdb.com/poster/499c9658  Aside from the trimmed edges, it looks to be in very good shape!




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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2011, 03:53:27 PM »
such a process as unlayering pasted together paper sheets would leave major damage

when it was done with a panel years ago that had a 1931 Mummy 1sh, I don't think any poster in the layers was more than 50-75% present. that's why the Mummy only sold for $50k

I would normally agree with you Rich, but did you see this poster below?  That was one that someone with zero restoration skills pulled out of a middle of one of the stacks after soaking it in the bathtub!  It is probably 95% intact.  Imagine if a pro took much more time and skill to pull these apart properly?  I could easily imagine the posters from the middle of the stacks coming out in surprisingly great shape. 

STACK 4: REACHING FOR THE MOON - Again, this was what a poster looks like, if it is intact, from the *middle* of one of these stacks!  Sadly, the posters on the back do not look in tact and I couldn't make them out anyway.  Is that possibly Claudett Colbert?  Unfortunately that poster isn't being revealed under the other layers, but instead those three colorful pieces are all that is left  :'(




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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2011, 04:57:50 PM »
So is it possible this came from the middle of one of the stacks?

http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7055&lotIdNo=9017

Considering that the same consignor also has both style one-sheets from Seed, Africa Speaks, Reaching for the Moon, Lady Who Dared and Cimarron I think we can safely say yes.

And I think the newly discovered Cimarron gives us a good indication of what poster was in the middle of the clump that sold for such a high amount.
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2011, 05:27:04 PM »
Considering that the same consignor also has both style one-sheets from Seed, Africa Speaks, Reaching for the Moon, Lady Who Dared and Cimarron I think we can safely say yes.

And I think the newly discovered Cimarron gives us a good indication of what poster was in the middle of the clump that sold for such a high amount.


the restorers then did an incredible job of separating those posters
I'd love to see a video of that work going on

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2011, 06:37:46 PM »
Considering that the same consignor also has both style one-sheets from Seed, Africa Speaks, Reaching for the Moon, Lady Who Dared and Cimarron I think we can safely say yes.

And I think the newly discovered Cimarron gives us a good indication of what poster was in the middle of the clump that sold for such a high amount.


Looking forward to Heritage getting the photos up to see what they all look like now (if it turns out they are the same)!
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2011, 06:51:12 PM »
it took some expert restorer to be able to separate a stack so well. I'd have to think that it may have to do with how much or how little paste was used to adhere each successive poster to the stack. The more paste, the more the posters would be intertwined with glue. However it would seem that they must have used just enough paste to get the new poster on and because glue disintegrates into dust as time goes by, that there must have been "pockets" of the paper that had no real adhesion and once bathed released just simple glued areas easily..

must have been very expensive to have that work done...., but of course, worth every penny

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2011, 06:51:49 PM »
Just reading through Heritage's description of the posters coming up in March/12.  

If these are the same posters, Heritage is really downplaying the amount of restoration that was presumably required...
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2011, 06:52:52 PM »
it took some expert restorer to be able to separate a stack so well. I'd have to think that it may have to do with how much or how little paste was used to adhere each successive poster to the stack. The more paste, the more the posters would be intertwined with glue. However it would seem that they must have used just enough paste to get the new poster on and because glue disintegrates into dust as time goes by, that there must have been "pockets" of the paper that had no real adhesion and once bathed released just simple glued areas easily..

must have been very expensive to have that work done...., but of course, worth every penny

So Rich, appears you have been persuaded?  ;)
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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2011, 07:04:30 PM »
if Sean says they are the same posters, what's to doubt?

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Re: The biggest find of early movie posters in recent history was sold today...
« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2011, 11:13:32 PM »
if Sean says they are the same posters, what's to doubt?

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What am I?  Chopped liver?   ;)

Apparently we both are Matt (judging by the photo) ;)
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