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Offline Harry Caul

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White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« on: September 28, 2010, 05:45:37 PM »
Anyone know anything about this?  It is a full sized, folded 1-sheet mounted on linen.  Given that the colors are printed right to the edge of the paper and the rather risque artwork, I'm guessing 70s RR?  Or maybe a locally produced poster?

Anyone?

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 06:10:38 PM »
Never saw one of those before...where did you get it, the bay?

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 06:14:37 PM »
Yupper.  $69 shipped!  Could be junk for all I know.  I loved the colors and art though, that is all that matters.  And I'll probably never be able to afford any original release WZ paper....

No record of this at LAMP, eMovie, Heritage or Christies...

(crossing fingers while waiting for Bruce to tell me it is a long-lost teaser 1-sheet)

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 06:18:51 PM »
I saw that listing Harry and I  think it must be some 1960s poster

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 06:29:43 PM »
Whatever it is... its pretty cool.

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 07:40:12 PM »
oh Harry.. I should also mention.. it could be that it isn't even a real movie poster and it's some faux poster. I'm sure some dealers might know better than I what it is..

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 09:14:09 PM »
I'm pretty sure "White Zombie" is/was a public domain film, meaning anybody with a print could exhibit it.  Methinks this might be for a situation like that, (although I'm not ruling out an original release teaser).  Does have '50s/'60s vibe.

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 09:45:38 PM »
Peter is it absolutely not an original release teaser
just look at it... it's on new-ish paper, possibly shiny 70s stock
Harry will know more when he gets it.

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2010, 10:16:49 PM »
Well, I was kidding about the teaser bit.  Clearly forgot a  ;) or two.

Definitely paper needs to be examined, and accurate measurements taken.

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2010, 11:11:31 AM »
Agreed, regardless of what it actually is - it's great and Harry, you bought it for the right reasons...
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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2010, 09:40:13 PM »



My poster arrived today!  I'm not sure if we have all that much more to go on, but if it helps...

  • Paper measures a full 27"x41"
  • There are no borders (all white you see is linen)
  • Folds are very straight, look like machine folds
  • But, the vertical fold is slightly off center -- left half measures 13 5/8", right half measures 13 3/8" (not sure if that means anything)
  • Printed on matte paper, not glossy
  • Paper is yellow all the way through (I checked the back)
  • The paper has a nice texture to it... you can see some of the fibers if you look closely at the yellow parts
  • Printing looks like single color screen print? Experts? (see close-up of woman's face below)
  • Regardless, definitely not computer or machine printed (even older posters like my BAT looked like they used benday dots or something)
  • No printer or artist information whatsoever

I'm now *convinced* that it is an uber-rare original teaser poster hand-printed for the premier in 1932 -- it is probably worth a million dollars easy.  ;D

Seriously though, does this info help to date or identify this poster at all?  Should I try to enlist the brain trust at MOPO...?  Thanks in advance for any assistance!

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2010, 11:08:13 PM »
Well, Harry...I think you'll have to enlist the MoPo braintrust with this one.  I have searched high and low for info on this poster, to no avail.
If you come up emptyhanded on MoPo, why not contact Ron Borst?

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2010, 03:59:24 AM »
Harry, there is no dot pattern because the poster isn't printed offset.
it is a single color on yellow stock and is probably silkscreened

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 09:03:49 AM »
Thanks... so what was the progression in technology?

Stone Lithos 1900 - ?
Offset Printing ? - ?
What next?  Modern digital?

It seems like there is probably something missing between Offset and modern digital printing as well... I know my BAT (1961) and my Great Escape (1963) looks loads different from my Graduate (1967) and Easy Rider (1969) posters -- no benday dots.  What did they use to print posters between the 60s and the 80s? 

Also, has silkscreening ever been used for mass-produced posters?  Is my White Zombie likely a local print effort?

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 10:03:42 AM »
Silk screening was really common among low budget distributors, (OK, exploitation films).  I've even seen some NSS posters that used it, primarily 30x40s.  I'm actually more convinced now that it's somebody who got their own print of the film and ran with it.  I'm still thinking '50s or '60s.

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2010, 10:34:40 AM »
I'm actually more convinced now that it's somebody who got their own print of the film and ran with it.  I'm still thinking '50s or '60s.

I'm pretty sure White Zombie is a public domain film so I imagine that is entirely possible... thanks for the info on silkscreening!

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2010, 05:50:55 PM »
My question would be when did the copyright actually expire?

But my guess is also in or around the 60s...
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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2010, 05:57:39 PM »
*Edit*

I see that Mr. Feiertag (who is an authority) has responded on MoPo:

Harry,
 
This is an "other" company printed poster by an independent printer and
obviously not by the studio(United Artists).
Was printed on yellow stock paper and since it's 27x41, I'm sure it's the
original size and not trimmed.
Even with the risque artwork, it's very possible it's from the 1930's or
1940's.  Doesn't look to be as late as a 60's poster.
 
Hope this helps.
 
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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2010, 06:59:48 PM »
Yup... good stuff over there. Bruce just chimed in as well:

It's likely from the 1938 re-release, because this coincides with the heyday of the "other company" type companies.

I'd say it's surely not the "other company", Leader Press, or Woolever Press (looks unlike those, and the last two wrote their name on almost all they did).

We have sold several posters just like this on other titles of the 1930s and 1940s, so this is not the only poster they did.

Odd posters like these rarely command big bucks, except when they is an uninformed new collector on the scene.

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2010, 10:20:43 PM »
I'm kinda confused (as I often am...)...
This is the widely used 1938 RR poster...



For what it's worth, I think yours is from the 60's.  
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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2010, 10:46:57 PM »
But Brude that is the (wide) theatrical release poster...
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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2010, 10:58:50 PM »
But Brude that is the (wide) theatrical release poster...
That's exactly my point.
Why would another print -- on colored paper -- have been produced if there was already an un-credited RR poster readily available?

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2010, 11:12:23 PM »
Whatever it is, its pretty freakin' cool and unique.  Those kind of mystery posters are my favorites, actually.  Great find (as usual) Harry!!
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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2010, 11:16:48 PM »
Whatever it is, its pretty freakin' cool and unique.  Those kind of mystery posters are my favorites, actually.  Great find (as usual) Harry!!

Agreed! It is a very unique item with great aesthetic value.

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Re: White Zombie RR 1-sheet... what did I just buy?
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2010, 11:17:28 PM »
If you want to flip it ping me  ;D