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Offline Antoine1973

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1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« on: May 12, 2017, 10:12:27 PM »
I have this huge engraved map of Paris made in 1739 by Michel Etienne Turgot that needs a new backing.  Measuring approximately 100 x 126 inches (254 x 320 cm), it shows a bird's-eye view of Paris at the beginning of the 18th century and is quite impressive in person.  As you can see from the pics, it has been laid to an old canvas which is fraying in various spots, and the map itself is torn and lifting in quite a few areas.  I need suggestion for a good linen backer that could take care of such a large item.  I'm not looking for a complete restoration, but rather a simple backing on a new support, as the missing pieces of paper are small and I don't feel the need to have them painted in (I prefer my maps to keep their original integrity, warts and all).  I live in Manhattan, so it would be best if any recommendation was for a professional that works in NYC, as shipping this fragile monster will surely be a headache!  Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with this.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 10:24:20 PM »
Benjamin, while others may offer restorers that are more local, one to stay away FROM, most assuredly, there in the NYC area, is Chris Cloutier and his team at Posterfix.  gun1

And that map looks incredible. Was that a find here in the US? Or from overseas?
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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2017, 01:22:10 AM »
And Benjamin, is there any printer named on this piece?

It's truly a work of art. clap clap


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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2017, 01:43:41 AM »
Jeff, I bought that map at an auction in London.  Here's a bit of its history:

The Turgot map was published in 1739 as an atlas of 20 non-overlapping sectional bird's-eye view maps (at a scale of approximately 1/400) in isometric perspective toward the southeast.  When put together, those 20 sections combine to make one 100 x 126 inches map.

In 1734 Michel-Étienne Turgot, chief of the municipality of Paris as provost of merchants, decided to promote the reputation of Paris for Parisian, provincial or foreign elites by implementing a new map of the city. He asked Louis Bretez, member of the Royal Academy of Painting and Sculpture and professor of perspective, to draw up the plan of Paris and its suburbs.  Turgot requested a very faithful reproduction with great accuracy, so Bretez was allowed to enter into the mansions, houses and gardens in order to take measurements and draw pictures. He worked on the map for two years, from 1734 until 1736.

In 1736, Claude Lucas, engraver of the Royal Academy of Sciences, created the 20 sheets of the plan. The plan was published in 1739, and the prints were bound in volumes offered to the King, the members of the Academy, and the Municipality. Additional copies were to serve as representations of France to foreigners.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2017, 01:50:12 AM »
That history and information is fascinating, Benjamin. I truly love this kind of information and material.

Thanks so much for taking the time to explain the back story of this map.

Has there ever been any thought or speculation on how many of these have survived (in the original bound volume or otherwise)?

And this certainly deserves the best TLC, restoration-wise, possible, imho.
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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 02:00:57 AM »
Hard to tell how many examples of this map have survived, but they do show up every once in a while at auction.  The fact that this map was originally published in 20 segments actually helped preserve it for posterity, as typically the survival rate for large maps is very low (it is estimated that less than 5% of the great Dutch wall maps of the 17th century have survived).

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2017, 02:05:58 AM »
What is the general condition of the paper at this point, from your POV? With it being backed on an older material, is the paper itself very brittle or dry? Is the paper in danger of chipping or flaking whenever the map is unrolled?


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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2017, 09:20:56 AM »
As far as I can tell, the overall condition of the paper is fairly stable and not too brittle.  Therefore I believe that a simple backing on new linen should address most of the problem.  Once re-backed, I intend to hang it on a wall, so there shouldn't be too much rolling and unrolling after that, which is always preferable.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2017, 12:34:20 PM »
I was thinking, too, that maybe you could also get in touch with the conservator departments from the world renowned museums in NYC to ask if they could recommend someone to handle and re-back a piece like this? Or ask who they have used, if they have ever dealt with an old backed piece, such as this.

I would think a light washing and de-acidification bath (for sure) to make the paper more pH neutral would be key and vital to the paper's survival. Would you leave the frayed paper edges as is? I know I wouldnt have them re-created.

Are you looking for a place that you could literally hand deliver it to? Or for a restorer within a certain distance, so that you dont have to bother with shipping at all?



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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2017, 01:30:20 PM »
I would leave the frayed paper edges as is, I don't mind my old maps to show their age, it's part of their history.

Ideally, I'd like to find a restorer close enough from where I live so that I could hand-deliver this map, because its large size and somewhat fragile current state make it difficult to ship.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 01:59:43 PM »
Ben, this conservator in NYC may be able to help or offer others.

https://paperconservationstudio.com/

Or

http://alvarezconservation.com/
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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 02:05:00 PM »
Thanks a lot Jeff, I'll try both of those places.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2017, 05:39:26 PM »
The map's size might be another challenge, too, as even some poster restorers only linen back up to a certain size.

Here's hoping that one of those 2 might be able to work with you.


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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2017, 12:31:39 PM »
Well that's rather splendid! It does my 'mostly non-movie collecting heart' the power of good. 'Vive la différence!' as 18th Century French cartographers doubtless said...
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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2017, 12:38:54 AM »
Thanks a lot Jeff, I'll try both of those places.

Benjamin, did either of those places say they were able to handle and re-back your map?


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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2017, 07:46:45 PM »
Jeff, I'm traveling these days, which means I won't be able to bring the map to the restorers, so I decided to wait until I get back to get in touch with them.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2017, 12:45:17 AM »
Enjoy the travels and good luck with the map redo research, Benjamin.

Keep us posted.


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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2017, 01:27:56 AM »
Any progress or assessments made on your map, Ben?

This is such an incredible piece. Here's hoping that a new linen backing isnt too far down the road.



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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2017, 09:16:27 AM »
No progress, Jeff.  I was traveling throughout Europe for a bit and then got sidetracked upon my return to NYC by a 16th century painting that I recently purchased which needs to be cleaned and restored as well.  For the past couple of weeks, I have been looking for a good expert on Northern Renaissance art to do this, and fortunately I have finally found someone, who will start working on my painting in July.  I tend to focus on my most recent acquisitions at any given moment, and therefore other items that I own which also need attention get backed up (currently I have several pieces of artwork and posters that need to be sent to the framers, something which I haven't gotten around to take care of yet).

To be honest, the sheer size of this map is one of the reasons why I have been procrastinating about taking it to a restorer.  It's not an easy task to carry it even when rolled, and the linen is in so precarious a state that handling it risks creating new tears.  I will keep you posted when I get around to have it restored.  Thank you for your interest :)

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2017, 12:37:21 PM »
Thanks for the update, Benjamin. And yes, the size alone of this when rolled to transport is something to consider, as well as the weight.

Now all we need is an image of this 16th C painting!  :D

Can I ask who the artist was on that piece?




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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2017, 07:03:13 PM »
Here's that 16th century painting, Jeff.  It's a Virgin and Child, painted around 1530 by an unknown artist from Bruges, who was indebted to the style of Gerard David.  It's a good example of a certain type of private devotional panel popular at the time in Northern Europe.  I think it's a beautiful piece, despite some condition issues, mostly around the face of the Child which is quite abraded due to centuries's worth of rubbing by devotees for good luck. 

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2017, 07:04:57 PM »
For some reason, I keep positing images sideways, so let me try again.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2017, 07:06:11 PM »
Here it goes

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2017, 07:08:01 PM »
That is truly stunning, Benjamin.

Simply Beautiful.

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Re: 1739 massive map of Paris in need of restoration
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2017, 03:48:44 PM »
Ben, was this purchased from a gallery? Or from a private seller?

Will you leave it as is, or have any kind of minor repairs or restoration done to the small areas of missing paint, or where touching has caused some issues?



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