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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #75 on: April 24, 2016, 02:19:26 PM »
Yeah, Mike. Gaumont would be the distributor and not the printer.  thumbsup.gif

So yeah, then, the only 'out of place' text, if you will, would be that IMP DIC VISA EN COURS. Not sure what IMP DIC is and VISA EN COURS leads me to believe a number wasn't available yet or something.
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2016, 02:19:56 PM »
I bet you are good to go on both, Mike. I always liked the Nemo stuff, too. Such cool and fun underwater images created.  thumbsup.gif


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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2016, 02:24:06 PM »
I bet you are good to go on both, Mike. I always liked the Nemo stuff, too. Such cool and fun underwater images created.  thumbsup.gif

Think so, too. thumbup
Yeah, anything Pixar catches my eye and for some reason I simply love that artwork for Nemo. Was really excited to get it in large format. :D
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2016, 02:35:03 PM »
There are no "repros" of these. No one could possibly hope to even come close to selling enough to break even.

The Sonis posters that are commercial were made at the same time as the theatrical ones, but were sold in stores (and as stated, Sonis sometimes did theatrical ones as well).

Many collectors make no distinction between the two, because they are essentially identical, except for tiny printer info.

As to pixillation, they were surely sent the image from the U.S. and it would be enlarged for the much larger poster, so that would cause that, and it would be on all examples.
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2016, 02:39:52 PM »
So yeah, then, the only 'out of place' text, if you will, would be that IMP DIC VISA EN COURS. Not sure what IMP DIC is and VISA EN COURS leads me to believe a number wasn't available yet or something.

I looked it up, and I believe "Imp" is the abbreviation for the word "Imprimeur" which is "printer."

Perhaps DIC could be the printer's name, also in abbreviated form?

I also checked who LAMP includes on their list but it wasnt shown :

http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/INDEX/COUNTRIES/France/FrenchPrinters.asp

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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #80 on: April 24, 2016, 02:42:06 PM »
There are no "repros" of these. No one could possibly hope to even come close to selling enough to break even.

The Sonis posters that are commercial were made at the same time as the theatrical ones, but were sold in stores (and as stated, Sonis sometimes did theatrical ones as well).

Many collectors make no distinction between the two, because they are essentially identical, except for tiny printer info.

As to pixillation, they were surely sent the image from the U.S. and it would be enlarged for the much larger poster, so that would cause that, and it would be on all examples.

Thanks, Bruce.
Hah, yes, your first point is well taken. These aren't exactly flying off the shelves. :)
It's not too often I purchase these (these are number 4 and 5 in my collection), so when I read T's first post it got me wondering about info for more modern stuff.
Interesting point on the 'pixelation', as well. Didn't really think about the fact that it's possibly (most likely) a blown-up image. Makes sense.
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2016, 02:47:09 PM »
Yes, they're both fine.

No printer name on French posters post 1990.  
Sonis reprints are a thing of the 80s for late 70s/80s movies.  
When Sonis took over marketing in the late 80s, the posters they were selling were the same than the ones they were putting in theaters, so no more large size reprints.  They're all the same.
Also, FYI, Gaumont is more than a distributor, it is also the older movie studio in the world.

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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2016, 02:47:39 PM »
I looked it up, and I believe "Imp" is the abbreviation for the word "Imprimeur" which is "printer."

Perhaps DIC could be the printer's name, also in abbreviated form?

I also checked LAMP's list but it wasnt there:

http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/INDEX/COUNTRIES/France/FrenchPrinters.asp

Nice. I could see the abbreviation being there. It's basically a vertical rectangular box on the poster with 'IMP' printed horizontally and 'DIC' printed vertically, so would definitely save space.
Yeah, I checked through that list from the link Rosa sent but didn't see anything obvious.
Thanks for the info. Learn new poster stuff all the time, even if it is 'Imprimeur' means 'printer'. :)
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #83 on: April 24, 2016, 02:51:10 PM »
Yes, they're both fine.

No printer name on French posters post 1990.  

Well, there it is. Thanks!

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Sonis reprints are a thing of the 80s for late 70s/80s movies.  
When Sonis took over marketing in the late 80s, the posters they were selling were the same than the ones they were putting in theaters, so no more large size reprints.  They're all the same.
Also, FYI, Gaumont is more than a distributor, it is also the older movie studio in the world.

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Very cool, didn't know that. So much more to posters than ink and paper. thumbup
Awesome stuff. Thanks for the info.
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2016, 02:52:24 PM »
I meant oldest ;)  Sorry, just came back from a 15 mile jog and my entire body is still shaking.

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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2016, 02:54:50 PM »
I looked it up, and I believe "Imp" is the abbreviation for the word "Imprimeur" which is "printer."

Perhaps DIC could be the printer's name, also in abbreviated form?

I also checked who LAMP includes on their list but it wasnt shown :

http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/INDEX/COUNTRIES/France/FrenchPrinters.asp



Printers name, if mentioned, are completely irrelevant on French posters post 1990.  I should have mentioned it on my original post.

And i can't believe you guys are still checking LAMP.  That website is archaic and full of mistakes.  The real information is on here, between all of us.
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2016, 02:58:23 PM »
I meant oldest ;)  Sorry, just came back from a 15 mile jog and my entire body is still shaking.

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No worries, I knew what you meant.

Printers name, if mentioned, are completely irrelevant on French posters post 1990.  I should have mentioned it on my original post.
And i can't believe you guys are still checking LAMP.  That website is archaic and full of mistakes.  The real information is on here, between all of us.

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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #87 on: June 03, 2016, 01:46:52 AM »
Filip, a fellow APF'er who has primarily posted his ebay F/S listings to the board so far, posted this additional information about dating French posters printed by Lalande and Saint Martin, on MOPO, this morning. So I thought it would also be a good read here on APF, too, as it's a lot of info. I emailed him, tho, and asked his permission before posting, and he said to please share:


"For all interested in french posters here's some info to help you date posters that were printed by 2 of the major french printers for movie posters , Saint Martin and Lalande. I'll get to the other printers later on.

Starting in 1961, French posters had a Visa number (info on bottom of this post) but as there were sometimes re-releases using the original visa number one must combine the visa number with the printers info to be 100% sure a poster is a first release. Hope this will be of help to some of you.

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PRINTER SAINT MARTIN


1957:

Some posters have:

imp. Ets. St. MARTIN.PARIS.(POR: 10-10) (in a handwritten style)

1955/56/57/58:

there are variations for this period , always in a handwritten style:

Ets. st. Martin . KEL . 05 - 95 . Paris
Ets. St martin Kel : 05-95
Ets St MARTIN . KEL : 05-95 . Paris

1959/60:

Ets. St. MARTIN . KEL. 05-95. PARIS (in a handwritten style)
Ets. st. Martin . KEL : 05-95 . Paris (in a handwritten style)

1961 – 1964 shows several variations:

1961/62:

ETS.ST.MARTIN-imp.Paris
Ets St. MARTIN imp. PARIS .
Ets. SAINT - MARTIN - Paris - KEL . 05-95

1962/63/64:

ETABLISSEMENTS SAINT-MARTIN
38, rue Pascal, PARIS 13e – KEL 05-95


1963/64:

éts. saint - martin imp. Paris
ets. saint - martin imp. Paris


1965/66/67/68/69/70:

Ets SAINT-MARTIN
38 Rue PASCAL PARIS 13e KEL.05-95


1970/71/72/74: (looks a bit like in the 50s but here « imp. » is added between Martin and Paris and doesn't come in a handwritten style):

Ets St MARTIN imp. Paris Kel. 05-95


1972/73:

Ets St MARTIN imp. Paris
Ets St MARTIN imp Paris


1975/76/77/78/79/80/82:

Ets St Martin  imp. 92 Asnieres .
Ets. St MARTIN imp. 92 ASNIERES
Ets St MARTIN imp. 92 ASNIERES


PRINTER LALANDE


1957:

AT LALANDE 8 rue cauchois ORN


1960:

AT. LALANDE - 102, Rue Gabriel Péri, GENTILLY – ALE 16-71


1962/63:

ATELIERS LALANDE 102 RUE G. PERI _ GENTILLY – ALE 16-71
AT. LALANDE 102 rue G. PERI _ GENTILLY - ALE 16 – 71
ATELIERS LALANDE 102, rue Gabriel-Péri – GENTILLY – ALE. 16-71 ) sometimes the   _ between peri and gentilly is a -


1964/65/66/ 67:

ATELIERS LALANDE – WISSOUS (S.-et-O.) - 920.98.75.


1966:

in some cases:

AT. LALANDE _ WISSOUS (91)
At. LALANDE _ WISSOUS _ 91


1967/68:

ATELIERS LALANDE 91-WISSOUS – TEL. 920.98.75 – 76

(in some cases : AT. LALANDE 91 – WISSOUS – TEL. 920.98.75 – 76)


1969/70/71/72:

LALANDE-COURBET 91 – WISSOUS


1972/73/74/75/76/77/78:

Ste EXPL . Ets LALANDE – COURBET 91 – WISSOUS
(exceptionally : Sté. d'Expl. LALANDE COURBET )


1978/79/80/81/82:

S.E. LALANDE – COURBET 91 – WISSOUS


1983/84:

S.A. LALANDE-COURBET 91320 WISSOUS


1984/85/86/87:

S.A. LALANDE – COURBET 91320 WISSOUS. R.C. CORBEIL


1988:

LALANDE - COURBET . 94 VITRY-S/SEINE - Tél. : 46 81 55 99


VISA NUMBERS:

1 : 1961
1000 : 1963
2000 : 1965
3000 : 1968
4000 : 1971
5000 : 1972
6000 : 1974
7000 : 1976
8000 : 1978
9000 : 1980
10000 : 1984

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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #88 on: October 21, 2017, 11:57:19 AM »
I have a poster from 1966, which has Henon on it, but T said Henon ended in 1964, anyone know for sure the year?  T ?

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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2017, 12:14:31 PM »
That's interesting, Paul.  The Dracula: Prince of Darkness was printed by Affiches et Publicité in 1966.  At least that's what mine says.  This design, right?



The small one was printed by Nourisson.



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« Reply #90 on: October 21, 2017, 12:42:29 PM »
Yes, definitely the top one T, I'll take a pic of the address on it. I have two versions both the same art just different addresses..
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« Reply #91 on: October 21, 2017, 12:48:48 PM »
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« Reply #92 on: June 05, 2021, 11:13:29 AM »
T,  Did you find anything out about why my Prince of Darkness has Henon on it?
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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2021, 12:19:24 PM »
What a great thread. I'm starting to collect French posters- particularly Grinsson and have a question for you all.

I’m interested in getting a “Two Rode Together” poster but have noticed there are seemingly three versions around. The printer's marking has either “Cinemato”, “la lithotyp” or “affiches...”. The Cinemato has green lettering, La lithoyp brown and Affiches black. All the affiches I've seen seem pristine and white, making me think maybe it was a later printing. The timeline in the thread shows that all three printers overlapped so it's hard to tell. Thanks for any help!






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Re: French posters: Printers and dates (from 1965 on)
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2021, 10:01:27 AM »
Speaking to several French collectors, it seems the Henon printed one is the first release, so good to know. The Affiches et Publicité is a Late 68/9 re-release. Seems there was 4 releases, another in 74/5, and one from the 80's... so do watch out.
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