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Common Poster Subjects => Authentication => Topic started by: originalcinemaposters on August 06, 2015, 02:42:43 AM
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hi all,
i need to get some other opinions from you chaps please.
I recently sold a lost boys uk quad rolled to a chap on ebay (possibly a forum member)
I have had just had a request to return it as is he suspects its a later reprint. The poster is the full 30 x 40, is of a high print quality and i obtained with a batch of other posters of the same vintage. So i have no doubts.
Back in the mid eighties and prior quads were definately printed with a matt finish , however i have several posters from mid eighties onwards where the paper changes and is of a silk (not gloss as per today) finish. These become more and more common as the years progress.
Eg i have from 1987, the Lost Boys, Witches of Eastwick, Predator quads all with this feel and and beyond 87, virtually all quads go this way, eg Leon, Usual suspects, terminator 2, etc etc
This chap is saying his existing poster which is folded is of a matt finish (he wanted a rolled one to replace the folded one) . I know there were folded quads given away with the album/12" single
The question i am asking is this, does anyone have a lost boys quad and can they tell where there's came from and whats the finish
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201391996369?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2648 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201391996369?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2648)
The gentlemen who is returning is saying he asked emovieposter and the quad posters in the albums were as a result of over printing and were identical which doesnt sound right to me.
I have never doubted this poster, given its size, quality, finish, and the fact it came with other posters of the same vintage ie blue Velvet, witches of eastwick, withnail and i, predator etc
needless to say i am taking the poster back whatever the outcome as i dont want my feedback ruined
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I have a folded one. I'm not sure if it's from a cinema or from the 12" release (how do you tell the difference?). I'm pretty sure it's a matt finish from memory.
Eddie has a rolled one, might be worth dropping him a PM to compare notes? Please do share for future reference. Thanks!
http://www.filmonpaper.com/posters/the-lost-boys-quad-uk/
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thanks, i have dropped him a line and hopefully he can chime in soon
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I have a 12" single release and I used to have a folded theatrical -- they were the same except for the fold pattern. As you would expect, the theatrical was folded down to 10x15 (one horizontal fold line). The poster in the record album was folded down to 10x10 (two horizontal fold lines). Both were matte finish IIRC.
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Thanks Harry
I just cant see a high quality full size repro existing for this. as i said before its finish is similar to something like a back to the future II,III quad or Total recall if anyone has one of those? its not gloss but its not Matt either
confused, but certainly not sure its dodgy
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I have a rolled quad. I'll check it out later - if I can access it.
Mark
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Just checked. My rolled and folded quads are identical in every way other than for the fold-lines. Definitely a matt finish. The rolled copy came directly from a cinema.
Mark
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okay thanks . so mine appears different, i would never have questioned it until someone else did. I am very confused as mine was bought in a job lot years ago with other posters of the same vintage which all appeared genuine
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I can't access mine easily at the moment but I'm as certain as I can be that it's an original as it came from a very reliable dealer from whom I've bought many quads in the past. Hopefully the pics on my site make it clear that it's a standard early 1980s matt finish (not more 'silky' like, say, the Top Gun quad from a year later). I knew about the 12" version but never a full-sized repro of this poster so am not sure what your buyer is fretting about. Can you ask him where he got the info about reprints come from as it would be good to know!
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Mark, when you have a moment could you check how close the copyright info at the bottom left is to the edge of the poster? As you can see on mine (pic 7) it's right to the edge which is a little unusual and does make me wonder...
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mine copyright infor is right to the edge too.
my buyer is concerned since he has a folded quad which is matt finish, he does say however there is no detoration in print quality and the sizing is spot on, so he is having doubts about his doubts!
he hasnt actually got any information about a reprint beyond his own conjecture.
personally i think its legit, but i will take it back if there is any shred of doubt
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Mark, when you have a moment could you check how close the copyright info at the bottom left is to the edge of the poster? As you can see on mine (pic 7) it's right to the edge which is a little unusual and does make me wonder...
I have a 3mm gap between the copyright line and the edge on both my posters. The mystery deepens.
Mark
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Hi all
I'm the buyer of the rolled copy that has sparked this discussion. I checked in to find some more info and stumbled along this thread about me and my concerns about the poster. My main doubts came from the paperstock it's printed on as my folded copy is matt. The print quality is great but now mark has confirmed that his rolled copy is Matt it does throw the authenticity of this into question. I've just checked my folded copy and I also have a 3mm gap under the NSS info but no gap on the rolled one.
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Also just for the record Paul who sold me this poster has been nothing but 100% professional in dealing with my concerns about this poster and the fact he's took the time to start this thread is testament to that.
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Also just for the record Paul who sold me this poster has been nothing but 100% professional in dealing with my concerns about this poster and the fact he's took the time to start this thread is testament to that.
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Check the back of the poster to see if the paper is the same texture..
This was a popular film at the time, and there was all kinds of posters about from the film, including repro posters, but the ones I remember were all smaller than Quad size... As far as I know the Matt finish is the Cinema release, and was the same as the record give-a-way, which as Matt said is folded differently anyway.
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I still need to dig out my rolled copy (not easy at the moment) but I'd received emails from elvis1608 prior to him posting on here and we have, I believe, identical versions of the quad. I feel I need to clarify what I meant by matt earlier. It's not printed on the kind of matt paper that when folded loses no ink (soft paper, effectively) but is the kind that would mean white lines (and ink loss) were it to be folded. However it's not silky smooth (shiny) like some other posters from the period (Top Gun is one I'm thinking of). My Lost Boys quad has a definite slight sheen to it and does reflect things to an extent but it's definitely not glossy. Hope that makes sense!
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So it looks like there are two 30 x 40 printings - one with a matt finish and a 3mm gap between credits and edge and the second with a "silk" finish and a negligible gap. Like Paul, I have only ever seen under-sized repros for this title and there are a lot of those around.
Mark
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this my thinking too. I just cant see this being a repro, the quality outstanding and i purchased this in a small job lot with other posters of the same vintage.
Jason is hanging on to this quad so a friend who used to print quads can take a look, so hopefully we will get a third opinion soon
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Hi all,
Like Paul said I have a friend who used to over see printing for quads back in the 80s who kicks himself about the amount of now rare quads they printed and wait for it threw away!!! I'm taking both my folded and rolled copy over to him on Saturday and he will under strong magnification be able to see how it was printed and if it was off the original film they used as the master. I told him the rolled was better quality which he said really wouldn't be right if it was a reprint. Another interesting thing I spotted and told him and would be great if Eddie and Mark could check on there copies. On the credit at the bottom for Richard Donner there is what looks like a hair on the second R of Richard which is on my folded and the rolled copy. If it is a hair much like the one on the famous star wars bootleg poster it could mean that both the matt finish and the silk finish were printed from the same master? If you guys could check that would be cool!
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is this the case of the Hairy R's?
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.......On the credit at the bottom for Richard Donner there is what looks like a hair on the second R of Richard which is on my folded and the rolled copy. If it is a hair much like the one on the famous star wars bootleg poster it could mean that both the matt finish and the silk finish were printed from the same master? If you guys could check that would be cool!
Yes, I have the "hairy R" on both my rolled and folded posters!
Mark
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I was also telling elvis1608 that I have seen first-hand in the collection of both Brian Bysouth and Vic Fair (UK poster artists) that matt and shiny posters were printed for the same films at the time of release. I saw around 4 or 5 titles like this side by side in their collections. Brian didn't know exactly why they used to do it but one theory was that the shiny posters were for the better, more prestigious cinema chains as the print quality is always better on the shiny posters (better colour reproduction, more detail).
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Mark,
Have you thought of waxing your Hairy R's?deadhorse
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I really enjoy seeing this kind of investigation unfold.
A group of stalwart collectors comparing notes on a rare poster's authenticity.
Don't get no better than that, eh?
cheers to all of ye!
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Hi everyone, I'm pleased to report that this is indeed an original quad and by the sound of it quite possibly rarer than the matt finish.
My friend who printed quads during that time took a look at both the matt folded and the rolled version and both are Litho prints and not digital or modern day re prints.
It was really interesting as a litho print is made up of four colours, Cyan, Magenta, yellow and black and under strong magnification you can see the dot's that make up the colours and this was clear on both copies and are known as standard 4 colour prints. What sealed the deal was the orange tagline. On closer inspection there were no dots in that colour which means this was a separate reference colour and not a mixture of the 4 hense no dots making this a 5 colour print. This was identical on both which is concrete proof it's an original.
Another interesting one was there is a small amount of black bleed from the edges on the reverse which he said would have rubbed off when the the posters were stacked on top after printing.
In terms of the paper he believes it would have been a special run requested by a prestige cinema to more than likely be used inside making it much rarer than the matt finish as the Print quality is much better which is clear to see when viewed side by side
So there you have it! What a relief
A big thank you to Paul and everyone who give there time and input to this thread!
P.s if anyone has or knows anyone selling a rolled nightmare on elm street quad please let me know! :-))
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Glad to hear your poster is the real deal.
The info gleaned from this thread will help others, also.
cheers
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COngrats, elvis.
Good to read that yours is the real deal! thumbsup.gif
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You should get it carbon dated to be ultra certain
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You should get it carbon dated to be ultra certain
I feel there's jobs need. To be stood with the guy who used to print them first hand his knowledge is incredible when it comes to printing methods and techniques and he was 100% happy with it.
It was fascinating to see this magnified to expose this individual dots of colour. He said a scan or repro would still have dots but uneven and poor quality whereas these were spot on. The orange tagline sealed the deal as a repro would have dots in that too but as both of these shown a solid colour there was no doubt to its authenticity!!
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You should get it carbon dated to be ultra certain
he is joking. :)
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Thanks for reporting back Elvis. As Ted said, this has been an informative thread and it must have been very satisfying for an ex-printer to look over it for you. I would think that the higher quality version would have been used for West End cinemas and major cities during the first run and the other version for later and wider distribution. I am not sure the first version is necessarily rarer but rolled versions of either are uncommon.
However, do remember that if you have a full-size quad [30 x 40] it is very unlikely that it is going to be a reprint in the first place.
Mark
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I'm not sure I buy that the "better" quality version was made for select cinemas, distributors just don't do this kind of thing. They may do a different version, but not a "better" quality print of the same art...
There maybe a bit more digging to do on this yet, I have no problem with what the ex-printer says, but as to the use of the rolled poster, I'm not so sure about..
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I'm not suggesting that they expressly ordered higher quality printing for the first wave of screenings Paul but rather quality control slipped slightly on the second print run. Or the second print run was printed at a different location.An alternative scenario, that they were printed at the same time but at different locations, is another possibility but less likely in my opinion. The copyright line on my folded and rolled examples is definitely less sharp than that on Ed's copy.
Mark
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It's still only assumption Mark, we're assuming the better one was a first printing, this may not be the case, it's more likely a second printing, when they realised the film was doing better than thought.
All I'm saying at the moment is we don't know for sure, it needs a bit more research..
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I am just glad i didn't sell fake !
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Hi everyone, I'm pleased to report that this is indeed an original quad and by the sound of it quite possibly rarer than the matt finish.
My friend who printed quads during that time took a look at both the matt folded and the rolled version and both are Litho prints and not digital or modern day re prints.
It was really interesting as a litho print is made up of four colours, Cyan, Magenta, yellow and black and under strong magnification you can see the dot's that make up the colours and this was clear on both copies and are known as standard 4 colour prints. What sealed the deal was the orange tagline. On closer inspection there were no dots in that colour which means this was a separate reference colour and not a mixture of the 4 hense no dots making this a 5 colour print. This was identical on both which is concrete proof it's an original.
Another interesting one was there is a small amount of black bleed from the edges on the reverse which he said would have rubbed off when the the posters were stacked on top after printing.
In terms of the paper he believes it would have been a special run requested by a prestige cinema to more than likely be used inside making it much rarer than the matt finish as the Print quality is much better which is clear to see when viewed side by side
So there you have it! What a relief
A big thank you to Paul and everyone who give there time and input to this thread!
P.s if anyone has or knows anyone selling a rolled nightmare on elm street quad please let me know! :-))
That is some Rickard authentication work there. Wish he was still into the hobby, guy did some good work the years he was heavily attached to the hobby. Waybackmachine can get you some tidbits, but need to hit up Lieberman or some of the others smart enough to capture the pages for all the guts of each authentication.
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Hi again guys,
Not sure if I should start a new thread but as we're on the same topic of lost boys can anyone tell me what I might have here? I've just picked this up and I think it might be a bus stop poster but I'm not sure? It measures just over 54" by 38" and is rolled. It is the same paper stock as the rolled quad and is 100% a litho print. I've had it checked and the dots in the text are present and the red line above lost boys is a separate colour with no dots similar to the way the Orange was on the rolled quad. I think it might be rare as I've searched all over the web and I can't find another one. Any ideas?? I've tried to attach a photo but the site won't let me as its saying my upload folder is full so if anyone wants a pic let me know and I'll send you one.
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Hey Elvis..
I sent you a PM, but, real quickly.. you have to host any images to a site like flickr or photobucket, then insert them into your posts here, using the "INSERT IMAGE" tags. [ img ] [ /img ]. The icon looks like a small picture frame. Click on that will put the tags in your post.
Cut and paste the jpeg URL between those tags, and your image will then be in your post. :D
Good luck.
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(http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af183/jason_spencer4/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpssvutzwak.jpg)
Thanks Jeff
Hope this works?
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WOW!!
i LOVE THAT POSTER!!! bed1
and yes, elvis, it worked like a charm!
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Elvis,
What is the tiny print on the lower right border? I can't make it out.
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At those measurements it's not a bus-stop, or 4sht poster...
As Jeff says, what does the print say on the bottom of the poster?
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(http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af183/jason_spencer4/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsfaczdcph.jpg)
It says printed in Great Britain
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And that is the only printer's info, anywhere on the poster?
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Yea, that's it?
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Is there anything on the bottom left corner?? Name, company, number, etc.
I hate to say this, but that size was used by a company that did repros, or should I say Commercial posters. I have two or three myself, I'll check the sizes tomorrow.
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Paul,
Does it matter that the "Printed In Great Britain" wording is not exactly level? Or does that make no difference?
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It's a bit suspicious, but not a guarantee..
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I'm fairly confident that it's a commercial poster too. If it were a bus stop (UK 4-sheet) it would need to be close to 40" by 60" and this is significantly undersized. Also that 'printed in GB' isn't the kind of tag you'd see on a poster promoting a cinema release in 1987 (or a video release for that matter).
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Whatever it turns out to be.. i always thought this was some of the best poster imagery for this movie. thumbsup.gif
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Thanks guys!
Really appreciate all your time to help with this. I took a punt on buying this as I wasn't sure what it was and paid next to nothing for it so no great loss if it's a commercial poster. Looks really cool in the flesh though!
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And that's whats important..
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Indeed.
sm1
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Yep! As Jeff says, it's a great image either way thumbup
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The person I got it from said they had it since 1988 when they were at university and got from a local video shop? It's definitely old and not a modern day glossy poster.