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Movie Posters => General Discussion => Topic started by: MoviePosterBid.com on April 28, 2010, 03:58:07 PM
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that's all I know so far aside from he bonded out with $100k bond from his mother
the long arm opf the law works slowly, but sometimes it really works
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I laughed my ass off when I read this from an April 15, 2010 article in the Athens (Ga) Banner-Herald posted on MoPo: "They (Kerry & Tiffany Haggard) also claim that some of the posters that Kerry Haggard sold or traded to Gresham originally came from Gresham's collection, and that their customers should have never taken their word that the posters were authentic because they knew more about posters than the Commerce (Ga) couple did."
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April 28, 2010, 4:27 pm
Georgia Man Arrested in Sale of Fake Movie Posters
By MICHAEL CIEPLY
A counterfeiting scandal that been rocking the close-knit world of movie poster collectors grew more serious on Wednesday, as federal authorities arrested Kerry T. Haggard, a Georgia-based dealer, on mail fraud charges related to the sale of fake horror-movie posters and lobby cards.
Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, said in a newly unsealed criminal complaint that Mr. Haggard defrauded buyers of at least $1 million by using eBay to sell fake promotional materials for movies like “Frankenstein,” “Son of Frankeinstein,” and “The Mummy’s Hand.”
Mr. Haggard was arrested in Georgia, but the charges were filed in New York, where the fake materials were printed, according to the U.S. attorney’s office. Last year, Mr. Haggard was sued for selling allegedly fake promotional materials, but said in an email to The Times that he was a victim of a “colossal frame-up.” Mr. Haggard could not be reached on Wednesday.
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Now the hobby just needs a conviction followed soon thereafter by a complete disclosure...
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I wonder who, will be the prosecutors expert on the fact they are indeed fakes? also , how can you prove, he didn't send real ones, and the purchaser/s made the fakes? Not that I am on his side, I just throw it out there (and yes I watch to many crime movies)
As a real life example, in OZ years back, a man was charged with making fake rare stamps (and coins, but thats another story) anyway, he was bought to trial, he claimed they were real, the prosecutor said fake. Experts were bought in, and eventually the judge asked WHO IN AUSTRALIA IS THE BEST EXPERT TO DECIDE IF THESE ARE REAL OR FAKE?
well after investigating, the answer, the DEFENDANT.
Case closed.
(he did go away for the coins though - and got a book written about him)
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I believe Jamie Mendez turned state's evidence and is working with the prosecution in at least one of the lawsuits, according to the Banner-Herald article: "Since the filing of the first suit, Mendez has testified in a Michigan courtroom that he had helped the Haggards create the counterfeit posters."
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Angelo is correct. He also identified in court posters that he forged at Kerry's request. meaning they held up a poster & the lawyer asked "can you identify this poster" and jaime answered "yes I made that poster blah blah blah"
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I asked the FBI guy Ari's question, and he said, "That is why it is so valuable that 25 people were ripped off in the same way."
"If ONE guy says he was ripped off, and Haggard says he is lying" it is his word against the other guy.
But in this case, for Haggard to be telling the truth, 25 unrelated people have to ALL be lying, and there's almost no chance a judge or jury will buy that.
This guy did more damage to the hobby than the next ten people combined, and whatever he gets won't be enough.
Bruce
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(edit - thanks Bruce - and I agree)
aha, its tricky then aint it? Jaime admitting to making, but surely its not a chargable offence, unless the copyrite owners want to press charges, so Jaime I assume is/has not done anything legally wrong, morally, if he knew they were being made for a certian scam, or guessed and turned a blind eye, or it never clicked.
I dont know.
its very complicated and we can only guess.
So when he (Jaime) confessed, he said I CONFESS TO MAKING FORGERIES? or I Confess to making the posters?
Again not defending, but seems like it is a slippery slope, as in, I go to kinkos on behalf of a friend and photocopy a lobby card or WHATEVER, and he pays me for my time, then sells it (I know this was more involved), the person who sells it, and paid for the work to be done, is of course being fraudulant, the person doing the work, I think its a grey area? (Im not a lawyer) is there a law that says, if you know a fraud is being made, I must report, or at least refuse service? Probably, or possibly.
I know we turn away customers, we suspect are being dodgy, so far as I know its company policy rather than law, but I could be wrong.
Again, not sticking up for anyone, just curious.
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Jaime Mendez could've argued not having knowledge that the "copies" he did for Haggard were being sold as originals, except that he did multiple copies of the same LCs, for example. Hard to argue that he (Mendez) was oblivious to some kind of chicanery going on when he's knocking out multiple copies of rare MP.
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It's hard to believe this initial arrest was almost 4 years ago, already.
Time flies, when having fun (or even when not). ;D
And his release date was posted to MOPO, back in December, courtesy of Jim Gresham:
"Hey poster hobby, for those who are familiar with the Kerry Haggard case, Nov 26, 2016 is Haggard's release date!"
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It's hard to believe this initial arrest was almost 4 years ago, already.
Time flies, when having fun (or even when not). ;D
And his release date was posted to MOPO, back in December, courtesy of Jim Gresham:
"Hey poster hobby, for those who are familiar with the Kerry Haggard case, Nov 26, 2016 is Haggard's release date!"
and I believe his probation is 3 years (?) and he must serve his probation in NY State, so he can't leave NY until 2019
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Here are a set of lobby cards and movie posters...
incredibly, nobody realized these were fake Haggards (as opposed to Haggard fakes)
I wound up with a couple dozen different that people who got stung sent me. I'll get them up as I have more time
sure would like to know who made these fakes ;)
(http://www.comic-art.com/apf/crab_haggards.jpg)
(http://www.comic-art.com/apf/haggard_comics_005.jpg)
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he appears to be enjoying himself so much
(http://www.comic-art.com/apf/crab_haggards.jpg)
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Here are a set of lobby cards and movie posters...
incredibly, nobody realized these were fake Haggards (as opposed to Haggard fakes)
I wound up with a couple dozen different that people who got stung sent me. I'll get them up as I have more time
sure would like to know who made these fakes ;)
(http://www.comic-art.com/apf/haggard_comics_005.jpg)
Sometimes, the real vs fake tip offs can be subtle and understated... even when red lipstick is worn... LOL
qip
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and I believe his probation is 3 years (?) and he must serve his probation in NY State, so he can't leave NY until 2019
Uh oh!!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8OW3_JUW4gc/T9zobpUpMsI/AAAAAAAAEIE/8qB4Uxx-KQY/s1600/2019_afony_poster_06.jpg)
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how appropriate.. lol
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It's hard to believe this initial arrest was almost 4 years ago, already.
Time flies, when having fun (or even when not). ;D
And his release date was posted to MOPO, back in December, courtesy of Jim Gresham:
"Hey poster hobby, for those who are familiar with the Kerry Haggard case, Nov 26, 2016 is Haggard's release date!"
I wonder what Haggard will do on his first day of freedom, later this year. pcorn
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I wonder what Haggard will do on his first day of freedom, later this year. pcorn
get the posters he must have hidden away and try to sell them maybe?
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get the posters he must have hidden away and try to sell them maybe?
Think that Jaime is holding any of them for him? gun1
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Think that Jaime is holding any of them for him? gun1
doubtful
all I know is there are many posters he was traded that have not been seen in the market
so unless they were sold overseas or went into black hole collections where the people are not aware that item is illegally gotten gains, these posters have to be somewhere
this of course also presumes that they are not in collections where the owner do indeed know, but I'd like to consider we don't have those kind of assholes in this hobby.
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doubtful
all I know is there are many posters he was traded that have not been seen in the market
so unless they were sold overseas or went into black hole collections where the people are not aware that item is illegally gotten gains, these posters have to be somewhere
this of course also presumes that they are not in collections where the owner do indeed know, but I'd like to consider we don't have those kind of assholes in this hobby.
I know. Was just jiving.
Im sure the last thing he wants is for anyone to even ask or associate his talent and artistry to this former scheme.
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I know. Was just jiving.
Im sure the last thing he wants is for anyone to even ask or associate his talent and artistry to this former scheme.
uh.. yeah!
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If they can bust him why can't they bust Loce?
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why they don't bust people who sell bootlegs?
well here's the deal, in the case of Haggard, there were not so many victims - in the dozens - and some were taken for large sums of money or trade
Jim Gresham, being an enormous victim gives the FBI reason & the ability to pursue a case that can result in a conviction
on the other hand, in the case of bootlegs, what you have are hundreds or thousands of people who were cheated, but for small sums.
also, because the FBI would not have a database of posters for paper quality, thickness etc, it's a much more difficult case to pursue
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why they don't bust people who sell bootlegs?
well here's the deal, in the case of Haggard, there were not so many victims - in the dozens - and some were taken for large sums of money or trade
Jim Gresham, being an enormous victim gives the FBI reason & the ability to pursue a case that can result in a conviction
on the other hand, in the case of bootlegs, what you have are hundreds or thousands of people who were cheated, but for small sums.
also, because the FBI would not have a database of posters for paper quality, thickness etc, it's a much more difficult case to pursue
Could Jaime provide these paper details, Rich?
I'm thinking yes...
>:D
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Could Jaime provide these paper details, Rich?
I'm thinking yes...
>:D
it's a logistical issue. we've all seen what has happened at police & fbi labs, Jaime - who was not in a favorable position for the Haggard situation, would hardly have been any use to the FBI and it becomes an issue of logistics and liability
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it's a logistical issue. we've all seen what has happened at police & fbi labs, Jaime - who was not in a favorable position for the Haggard situation, would hardly have been any use to the FBI and it becomes an issue of logistics and liability
I see what you mean, Rich, but Mendez was the artist - he was the one who physically created these fakes and "put them" together. Haggard was the peddler who was like another carnival barker, selling his wares, to trusting collectors, who had bought from him in the past.
Who else could have given the degree of detail (as far as the creation of the fakes went) to authorities?
Mendez was the creator (no Star Trek pun intended). ;D
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get the posters he must have hidden away and try to sell them maybe?
all I know is there are many posters he was traded that have not been seen in the market
so unless they were sold overseas or went into black hole collections where the people are not aware that item is illegally gotten gains, these posters have to be somewhere
Not challenging you Rich, I honestly want to understand the future implications for the hobby. Are you saying...
1. There are likely legit posters traded to Haggard that have not been recovered as part of the seizures? Importance: Haggard was hiding assets and he might try to sell or rebuild his collection with them after getting out of jail?
2. There are likely fakes still in the wild that are known because of Mendez, but that were never recovered?
3. There are likely fakes still in the wild that are unknown, either because Mendez wasn't totally forthcoming or because Haggard possibly worked with additional "restorers"?
Either way with 2 or 3: The importance being that people who own these presumably are unaware they are fake. If and when they finally surface could Haggard be charged again for those 'new' crimes? What is the statue of limitations?
this of course also presumes that they are not in collections where the owner do indeed know, but I'd like to consider we don't have those kind of assholes in this hobby.
Are you saying people might knowingly own Haggard fakes and didn't come forward? Your "asshole" implication being that these people might think they can swindle someone else down the road with them?
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yes
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and I believe his probation is 3 years (?) and he must serve his probation in NY State, so he can't leave NY until 2019
Yup... according to this Athens, GA article from 2012: http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2012-04-10/commerce-man-sentenced-forging-horror-movie-posters
"In addition to the prison term, McMahon sentenced Haggard to three years of supervised release, imposed a $1.38 million forfeiture judgment, imposed a restitution order for $1.38 million, and ordered him to pay a $100 special assessment fee."
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That $100 special assessment fee must have really made Kerry think twice about ever pulling the same scheme again...
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So it seems that Haggard is still serving his sentence? I just did a Google search, and the various reports from back when he was sentenced in 2012, say that he would be serving 6+ years. I didnt know if he might have gotten out before the full sentence, based on good behaviour or artistic merit. dontknow.gif
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So it seems that Haggard is still serving his sentence? I just did a Google search, and the various reports from back when he was sentenced in 2012, say that he would be serving 6+ years. I didnt know if he might have gotten out before the full sentence, based on good behaviour or artistic merit. dontknow.gif
he got out in November
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he got out in November
Did he go back to Georgia? Any idea?
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Did he go back to Georgia? Any idea?
he may be in NY
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Myabe he learned the art of license plate making over those years and will be offering custom mades with movie poster backgrounds. ;D
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Posting this here, too, as a sort of one of the endings to the story. I posted a fuller description up in the Upcoming Poster Events thread, (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1538.msg222342.html#msg222342) but 24 items that were recovered by the FBI in the Haggard scandal are being put up for auction in July by the US Marshals Service:
https://www.txauction.com/auctions/102
It seems fitting to mention it in this thread, too. Proceeds from this sale will be split among the 30 or so victims of this terrible fraud scheme that Haggard cooked up. So there will be at least some light shed at the end of this long and dark tunnel. clap clap
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And where is Haggard now? Back in his hometown of Commerce, GA, saying he works and deals with automobiles. Maybe he learned these skills while in prison. imbecile.gif
Here's his his Facebook page. https://m.facebook.com/kerry.haggard.9
And take special note of his introduction:
"Mastermind of the greatest movie poster scandal in American history." eyeroll
And it seems he still must like movie posters, too, as this "endearing" photo shows.
(http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=706.0;attach=6626;image)
Note he's parked in a Handicapped space in this shot. whistle.gif
(http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=706.0;attach=6628;image)
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I wonder who the chunker woman is? His ex-wife divorced him in 2009....