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Common Poster Subjects => Packaging & Shipping => Topic started by: holiday on April 21, 2013, 10:28:15 AM
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Frustrated! I have had to file no less than 4 paypal claims of 7 orders made on ebay, because of posters ruined due to poor packing.
And I don't mean "lightly bumpted." These have been severely squashed due to using crappy tubes or (PUKE) USPS triangle mailers.
I'm worried Paypal is going to think I do this just to get out of paying for them!
This is why I stopped buying from Ebay Idiots a long time ago, and why I'm back to that again.
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I am actually going through a claim right now. The seller sent the package in a cheap ass tube. When it arrived it was crushed. I managed to get the posters out and they were ruined. I sent the seller pictures and he said I was trying to commit fraud and he said he oped a fraud claim against me. I told the guy he is an idiot that he has nothing to prove that I am commiting fraud but I have all the proof with my pictures. The seller is a complete and utter jackass.
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When you include all the crushed tubes, over-graded items, items that can't be located (or the dog peed on them) and the outright fakes and frauds in your total purchases from unknown sellers, the perceived great buys are not as great.
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That's why I just file the PayPal claim from the start. Cut to the chase.
And you're right Bruce. 100%
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Outside of CM's eBay auctions, I've only purchased a poster once from a random seller on eBay. I mentioned my experience beforehand, but suffice it to say the "near mint" poster was barely "near poor". Fortunately, the seller was an honest (albeit ignorant) person who fully refunded me, including return shipping. But it definitely put a bad taste in my mouth for buying from random people who don't know anything about posters - or shipping them. Yes, I understand that many people here have gotten awesome deals in the past from people, but I would rather pay a little bit more (or less) and get something from someone who knows what they are doing.
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Of course, there are still eBay sellers like Dale Dilts who do an incredible job in every way, but I (and everyone else) are talking about random sellers, on eBay or anywhere.
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It is very frustrating when you receive badly packed items. When that happens you should leave appropriate feedback.
I have two ebay stores on eBay and have maintained 100% feedback on both for years. I think when you bid with experienced sellers you are likely to get good service and secure packaging. If you bid with casual sellers you take your chances.
Another thing to consider is that the discussion boards are full of comments about buyers who want gorilla proof packaging and insurance but dont want to pay for it. Thats one of the problems with eBay trying to encourage sellers to offer free shipping.
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It is very frustrating when you receive badly packed items. When that happens you should leave appropriate feedback.
I have two ebay stores on eBay and have maintained 100% feedback on both for years. I think when you bid with experienced sellers you are likely to get good service and secure packaging. If you bid with casual sellers you take your chances.
Another thing to consider is that the discussion boards are full of comments about buyers who want gorilla proof packaging and insurance but dont want to pay for it. Thats one of the problems with eBay trying to encourage sellers to offer free shipping.
Very good points. One particularly disappointing one I filed a paypal claim on. The seller was good in responding and offered either a refund or to ship new posters. I went with new posters, pleased that they were available, and gently noted that they should be packed better to avoid the issue again.
Another seller refunded part of my shipping, but I let her know that I'd rather pay more in shipping to ensure safe arrival.
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Another thing to consider is that the discussion boards are full of comments about buyers who want gorilla proof packaging and insurance but dont want to pay for it. Thats one of the problems with eBay trying to encourage sellers to offer free shipping.
You seem to be attempting to affirm a common misconception.
Insurance, and proper packaging, is not the responsibility of the buyer/recipient. It is 100% up to the seller/shipper to package their products properly and insure (no pun intended) that they get to their destination. If a package is damaged, due to poor packaging or incompetent shipping, or never arrives to it's destination, the seller is the one who is at risk. The buyer doesn't have to accept the merchandise, or deal with filling loss paperwork, etc. Contrary to what many sellers like to claim, the buyer is not reasonable for this, nor liable for it not being done. If I pay for something, it needs to arrive at my destination in one piece and in proper condition, otherwise I will get a refund.
I often seen sellers who attempt to use scare tactics to get ignorant buyers to pony up more $$$ in effort to pay for tracking, insurance, etc., claiming that if they don't, they will be SOL on any claims. But this is nothing more than a way for sellers to trick people into paying for their own costs.
Now, with that said, obviously insurance and proper packaging costs money, and in many cases is an absolute requirement. And since the seller is in the business of making money, they need to somehow recoup the cost for this service from the buyer (one way or the other). Whether that means charging something/more for S/H costs or taking it out of the profit of an item, that's completely up to the seller. But don't, as a seller, offer to sell me something for $X with $Y or free shipping, have my buy it, and then attempt to blackmail me into paying extra to get my item to me in one piece. (By the way, this is directed to sellers in general, not you personally).
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You seem to be attempting to affirm a common misconception.
Insurance, and proper packaging, is not the responsibility of the buyer/recipient. It is 100% up to the seller/shipper to package their products properly and insure (no pun intended) that they get to their destination. If a package is damaged, due to poor packaging or incompetent shipping, or never arrives to it's destination, the seller is the one who is at risk. The buyer doesn't have to accept the merchandise, or deal with filling loss paperwork, etc. Contrary to what many sellers like to claim, the buyer is not reasonable for this, nor liable for it not being done. If I pay for something, it needs to arrive at my destination in one piece and in proper condition, otherwise I will get a refund.
I often seen sellers who attempt to use scare tactics to get ignorant buyers to pony up more $$$ in effort to pay for tracking, insurance, etc., claiming that if they don't, they will be SOL on any claims. But this is nothing more than a way for sellers to trick people into paying for their own costs.
Now, with that said, obviously insurance and proper packaging costs money, and in many cases is an absolute requirement. And since the seller is in the business of making money, they need to somehow recoup the cost for this service from the buyer (one way or the other). Whether that means charging something/more for S/H costs or taking it out of the profit of an item, that's completely up to the seller. But don't, as a seller, offer to sell me something for $X with $Y or free shipping, have my buy it, and then attempt to blackmail me into paying extra to get my item to me in one piece. (By the way, this is directed to sellers in general, not you personally).
Fantastic response, enki!
I couldn't agree more.
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I've posted this before, but I've had good success avoiding packaging problems by sending unknown sellers a link to this page BEFORE they ship:
http://moviepostercollectors.com/Shipping_Posters.html
I send a message like this:
"I've received many packages from Ebay sellers that were damaged in transit. Please be sure to follow these guidelines to avoid any shipping issues:
http://moviepostercollectors.com/Shipping_Posters.html"
Usually I get a positive response back like this:
Dear alphamel1968,
Thank you for your purchases and instant payments. I also appreciate your link on proper shipping of posters. I absolutely will ship these in the proper manner and in a proper hard tube, inside of the triangular priority mail carton. You definitely chose the two most stunning DWTS posters. I'll ship tomorrow, Saturday, for you. I hope you enjoy them! Thanks again, Linda
- lindac5099
Sometime I get a blowoff response like "we always ship safely."
But anyway it seems to have cut down on these situations.
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You seem to be attempting to affirm a common misconception.
Insurance, and proper packaging, is not the responsibility of the buyer/recipient. It is 100% up to the seller/shipper to package their products properly and insure (no pun intended) that they get to their destination.
Of course packaging and secure shipping is the responsibility of the seller. I am simply saying that by encouraging sellers to offer free shipping they are end up getting sellers who cut corners on packaging and don't use tracking for their packages.
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That's why I just file the PayPal claim from the start. Cut to the chase.
I am so quick at this. It bores me to death to argue with sellers. I file a complain, send their shit back to them, get reimbursed and leave negs if they rub me the wrong way. Then I never buy from them again.
My biggest beef these days are sellers who described their items as mint and it comes with marks. Any mark, really. I want anything post 1990 to be in immaculate condition, which is why I only buy mint. Mint means immaculate, right? Some sellers understand it and I keep buying from them. I have my list. But sometimes I have to use people I don't know. I either destroy or send back anything that doesn't meet my requirements. Depending on the sellers' reaction, they either reimburse me, let me trash their poster or send it back to them, or argue and get negs after I get my money back (if the price is substantial enough to warrant a Paypal dispute).
T
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I don't see many experienced sellers describing posters as mint.
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Especially under the conditions that my fanatical better half requires. But, mint is mint and if they use the work mint, it better be mint. It's just dumb to describe anything as mint, though.
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Sometimes they don't describe it (actually, a lot of times) and just use the Ebay description "New Item, unused, " something to that extent, which to me means mint. New is new, right? When something is new, it doesn't have any sort of defects.
T
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I got a poster yesterday and it was packaged great! But I was surprised because I had bought a bus shelter and it was a standard 27x40 poster .. i was all like WTF!!? So I went and pulled up the auction .. and there it was plain as day in the title and description 27x40 !! :P I had emailed the seller asking about bus shelters and they replied saying that they would put one up with a BIN in a couple of mins .. so when it popped up I didn't even look I just bought it .. that'll teach me! :D
I'm just another ebay idiot!! ;)
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There's a lot of theatrics with Paypal disputes and the whole thing is ugly. I reckon if you're buying a poster of any value you should request a high-res pic of the actual item. Ebay's message system now has an option for attachments. If your average Joe doesn't see any tears of large stains, then they probably think it's okay to describe as new. My first reaction would always be to expect less than what is described.
The only time I have ever left a neg is when someone has deliberately set out to deceive / hide faults. It's happened about twice in eight years.
As far as packaging problems go, just collect daybills and you won't have any issues. Those small tubes never get mangled! :)
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Imagine, I get a tube today from Tom in Singapore and it's in perfect condition. Send a tube from somewhere in the US? It's a f'd up mess.
Go figure.
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Sometimes it's not the dealers fault (USPS managed to crush the tube at the top even though it was a solid tube......)
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I aways say it's the postal companies fault, I've had the thickest of tubes destroyed, and the next week a tube thinner than a toilet roll tube makes it here O.K. WHY??
Unfortunately you don't need a Phd to join the postal services, they only hire Lazy, incompetent twats who feel the world owes them for being thick...
If I had my way I would .... Oh ya, right we don't want to go there again... ;)
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Knock on wood, I received 2 items last week, one from Peru, the other from here in the good ol' USA. Both arrived without a scrape, aside from a tiny tear in the padded envelope that held the one shipped cross country.
Both are folded posters, so at least the threat of crushed or bent tubes is taken out of the mix.
I cross fingers (and anything else i can), tho, while things are in transit..
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Here are 2 recently received. The small surface tear was the only ding received while that package traveled. The other was fine..
Both shipments a thumbup
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The past few posters I have purchased from eBay were packaged so ridiculously, that I had to get refunded or ask for a partial refund.
Beyond frustrating. Some of these have been posters I have been after for YEARS...so it makes it all the more heartbreaking...
The biggest annoyance as of late is the refusal to place the poster in a sleeve or kraft paper/etc...instead electing to just throw it in a tube and letting it expand inside. Just inane. Seriously, cannot take it any more.
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3...2...1...Bruce post about eMovie gorilla-proof packaging ;)
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3...2...1...Bruce post about eMovie gorilla-proof packaging ;)
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3...2...1...Bruce post about eMovie gorilla-proof packaging ;)
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Apparently the coach subbed him out
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I just read all these posts. I just started selling original window cards in May. I've sold around 15 I think. I am so scared of getting bad feedback for poor packaging or not describing the WC or photos and stills as accurately as a more experienced seller. But I do describe every flaw I see like pin holes or tiny scratches and creases. I don't even bother selling anything with major defects because I figure who's going to want it! I had 6 total Curse of the Werewolf WC all unused no writing but they had a good bit of brown discoloration and any small crease I disclosed. I ended up selling the best 5 and kept the one with a hole in the upper white border. Every single buyer knew I was knew at this and sent me a message as soon as they paid to ask that is ship it safely and gave me directions on how to ship the WC. I still have questions if anyone knows the best way to ship WC. I was on a eBay sellers page today. He is a very exp seller and he had so much helpful tips on how to ship. But I was confused a bit after reading it. He said not to ship heavier cardstock posters which I guess are WC in a certain way. He said only ship the one sheets in that certain way. I'll go back and read it. Do you know what he was talking about? I shipped two today in the same 3 in diameter mailing tube. Office Depot only had 36 inch long and 3 in diameter was the biggest. Well that is too long for some window cards right? That's what I've shipped all my other ones in but I want to find something that is just as sturdy but cheaper. They are 9$ for two at Office Depot! Only 1 person so far has said the entire end of the tube was crushed when he received it and stupid me at the time didn't know about wrapping it in bubble wrap or paper. I figured once I put the WC in the tube and it expanded to the inside of the tube that it wouldn't slide up and down the tube. I did put bubble wrap in the bottom before sliding the WC down in it but I didn't even think about the buyer having a hard time trying to get the WC out of the tube until just recently! Is it alright to put a rubber band around the WC or will just wrapping it with bw prevent it from expanding out? Ahhh so many questions. This shouldn't be this hard but now I know to roll the WC slight smaller than the diameter of the tube. Do you all prefer bubble wrap or something else ? And I'm so nervous about those two I mailed in the same tube today. I was too scared to put them right on top of each other and roll them up together in BW so I wrapped them separately and slid the first one in and then slid the other one in on top because the tube was 36 in long and was able to fit them that way. My get were both padded so they wouldn't rub or touch and I put a little paper on each end of the tube also. I got plenty of insurance but one of the WC I mailed was my only Elvis Wild In The Country so if it gets damaged I can't send him a new one. I'll just refund him but I have plenty WC for the other one he bought which was Don't Knock The Rock. I guess I'll find out Saturday when he gets it delivered. Did I do it right or do you all think I should have shipped it a different way. And I do know NOT to ship in those triangular tubes but I can ship in a mailing tube and them place it inside the triangular tube since it's free and priority. Has anyone ever use PVC pipes cut to fit a poster? I also read that on a eBay sellers page. I have so much to learn! I don't have a few to sell. I have at least 100 or more WC left to sell. ( I'm keeping 1 WC for each movie though since they were my grandfathers which he acquired all this while he worked for ABC Southeastern Theater in Atlanta Ga from the 40s-70s so he kept all these I guess because those were the movies and actors he liked. I have learned a lot in the last 2 months though and it has been really neat researching old movies and actors from those times. Who knows, once I've sold everything, maybe I'll start collecting and selling. I'll be starting to sell some WC, movie stills and photos on the selling forum maybe tomorrow or in a few days. And I will gladly accept any advice you guys have! I don't wNt to be thought of as the EBAY IDIOT! Lol. Oh and look me up on eBay rileygirlsmom is my user ID which sounds really stupid for selling vintage WC and photos but I started out with that ID in 2001 when I was just buying and selling my kids clothes and things. Can I change my user ID on eBay or do they not let us change it?
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I recommend using paragraphs to improve readability... :)
By the way, yes, you can change your eBay user ID...
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I recommend using paragraphs to improve readability... :)
Agreed. That is quite a story, ABC. thumbsup.gif
Re: your packaging questions - there are several sites that have very detailed information on how to ship posters, window cards, etc.
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Well I appreciate the smartass answers👍
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ABC, sorry if my comment was received as being of "smart@**" content.
Good luck to you, and welcome1 aboard.
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Well I appreciate the smartass answers
To be fair, while I am sure you had some good points to make, I too couldn't read your single paragraph as it was inaccessible.
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ABC,
Archie and Brandon (Neo) have actually given you good tips. Both are very helpful and knowable members. They are right in pointing that there is a lot of good material out there that might help you with your query. For example on websites such as MOPO. And as they have said, your post is a bit tricky to read (particularly on a mobile phone!) :P
I read with interest your post as I have a couple of WCs. I understand that the shipping needs vary according to the cardstock thickness of the WC. I am sure you know that some WC can be shipped out in tubes, but others need to be sent out flat.
In case this is of any help, all my WC have been shipped to me flat in a sandwich form (sandwiched x 3 times to avoid damage on transit).
1- The WC was placed between thick cardboard that was slightly larger than the WC and into a plastic envelope.
2- That plastic envelope was sandwiched between a thick foamcore
3- The foamcore was sandwiched in a slightly larger thick cardboard
4- The thick cardboard was placed inside a special box/ envelop form full of bubblewrapp to ensure that the WC didn’t bend on transit.
Mine could not be sent rolled in a tube, but maybe your WCs can. And if so, a sturdy tube with bubblewrapp should do.
In any case, collectors know how important good shipping is. I am sure that all your buyers will appreciate your efforts in getting it right!
All the best and good luck :)
R
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It's ok. Sometimes messages come off completely different than intended. I read over my novel and yes that was a lot. I'm on my iPhone typing it. Am I doing something wrong? And I don't normally type that much lol so no worries. I'm just very new at all this and I have so much besides just WC. I have approx 1,000 stills and photos too that is time consuming but I don't have any problems shipping those. I just hope I am shipping the WC right. I've rolled all the ones I have sold and I ask the buyer if they want it rolled first. I found that website and others so I'm learning things.
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Am I doing something wrong?
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Yes. You're not hitting the Return key often enough. Or, maybe type on a computer instead of a phone.
For example;
It's ok.
Sometimes messages come off completely different[ly] than intended. I read over my novel and yes that was a lot. I'm on my iPhone typing it. Am I doing something wrong? And I don't normally type that much lol so no worries.
I'm just very new at all this and I have so much besides just WC. I have approx 1,000 stills and photos too that is time consuming but I don't have any problems shipping those. I just hope I am shipping the WC right. I've rolled all the ones I have sold and I ask the buyer if they want it rolled first.
I found that website and others so I'm learning things.
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Well I hate using computers and I'm more comfortable typing on my iPhone. Much faster. And I do know how to use paragraphs since I did go to college for 4 years and I am a RN. I didn't think I was coming here to learn how to write again
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So let's just drop the lack of my paragraph use. Maybe I'll just stick to one sentence from now on?
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So let's just drop the lack of my paragraph use. Maybe I'll just stick to one sentence from now on?
That's the spirit.
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So let's just drop the lack of my paragraph use. Maybe I'll just stick to one sentence from now on?
That works for most people here.
BTW, Your writing is fine. My comment was as much a about you as it was the typical internet reader. People don't read anymore - they scan. Anything after four or five lines tends to get lost. Since you seemed to have a good deal of quality info, I didn't want you to fall victim to the tl;dr (too long; didn't read) phenomenon that permeates the internet.
Also, there is a high level of kidding around that goes on APF... :)
Looking forward to seeing the cards...
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That works for most people here.
BTW, Your writing is fine. My comment was as much a about you as it was the typical internet reader. People don't read anymore - they scan. Anything after four or five lines tends to get lost. Since you seemed to have a good deal of quality info, I didn't want you to fall victim to the tl;dr (too long; didn't read) phenomenon that permeates the internet.
Also, there is a high level of kidding around that goes on APF... :)
Looking forward to seeing the cards...
Well I can see now why you all were making such a big deal about my long post. I just read it or looked at it actually and I couldn't read it after 3 sentences! I guess I didn't think about most of you guys using your computers for this forum. Oh, I am going to post some pics of my window cards today, if I can figure the photobucket thing out! So, keep an eye out!
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I posted my pictures in the for sale section. I had to use drop box from my phone and it worked! There are still a few window cards I don't have pics of yet though.
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Hello ABC.
I agree with Rosa. Cardstock really should be shipped flat. When you roll them there is a danger of creating creases, or adding to the ones that already exist. As Rosa mentioned, there's places to walk you thru this process. You're basically putting the card in plastic to prevent water damage and sandwiching it with hard boards to prevent bending. It's not hard.
I would stay away from those office depot tubes. They're not strong enough and can be crushed rather easily. If you continue using these there will be more casualties. I would start shipping them flat.
If you're unsure about something just ask...somebody will help you out.
Brown spots? That could be "foxing". Basically, brown, or reddish brown spots that can develop over time due to age and other factors within the paper. It can also spread. I would separate those from the healthy cards just to be sure.
Never use rubber bands. They create creases.
PVC is a great material to use for shipping "rollable" material.
Anthony
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Lori, you should generally ship window cards flat although some later ones can be rolled, though it is never my preference
ship them flat, between 4 solid pieces of slightly oversized cardboard
never use cardboard that is too thin and after you make a nice package, you should be able to hold it out from yourself (holding the short sides) and pressing it against your body it should not bend and feel much like a piece of wood.
it's the only way to make sure they arrive safely. If it will bend.. use more cardboard
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^ In addition to the cardboard support and extra support, I like to wrap the whole thing in kraft paper.
Keeps everything together nicely and helps with any sort of mishandling moisture on the part of the USPS>
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Oh lord I may have made a mistake then when I took 8 window cards to the ups store today. I told him to mail them flat but I didn't tell him to do all that with the craft paper and putting 4 extra pieces of card board between. I hope the ups man did it carefully! I really need to sell all these soon cause I suck at shipping! Rich I'm calling you tomorrow evening!
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Oh lord I may have made a mistake then when I took 8 window cards to the ups store today. I told him to mail them flat but I didn't tell him to do all that with the craft paper and putting 4 extra pieces of card board between. I hope the ups man did it carefully! I really need to sell all these soon cause I suck at shipping! Rich I'm calling you tomorrow evening!
Yikes! Get ready for some refunds. I honestly think given your shipping difficulties, your best bet would be consigning to Rich or someone else. Then you won't have to worry about shipping.
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If you also run two of the pieces North and South and the other two East and West grainwise, you create a very strong exercise in frustration for the post office gorillas.
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If you also run two of the pieces North and South and the other two East and West grainwise, you create a very strong exercise in frustration for the post office gorillas.
yep.. physics
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Oh lord I may have made a mistake then when I took 8 window cards to the ups store today. I told him to mail them flat but I didn't tell him to do all that with the craft paper and putting 4 extra pieces of card board between. I hope the ups man did it carefully! I really need to sell all these soon cause I suck at shipping! Rich I'm calling you tomorrow evening!
Lori,
Did your shipped WC all get to their new owners safe n sound? Did UPS package them well?
Hope it all worked out for you and your buyers! ;)
Jeff
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I always appreciated receiving that kind of stuff in a padded mailer sandwiched between foam core.
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Has anyone ever use PVC pipes cut to fit a poster?
This is what I do.
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I use them whenever I sell as well.
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Well...My luck never holds out, it's either the Royal Mail, or some ebay pillock...
Yes this is a full size Quad in a half size tube...
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The thick twat rolled it while folded, and stuffed it in the thinest tube he could find! needless to say the middle fold was in bad shape, and torn in places...
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Decency stops me from giving my opinion of the .......
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Well Paul, the way to solve the problem is right there, in the left upper corner of the first pic...
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Yes..agree with Matias.
Paul give him the Quadfather treatment... moron1
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I hope I never sell a poster to you Paul... prayer.gif
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Grief, I have never seen nor experienced packing like that. Folded and then rolled! This idiot really is one step up from monkeys.
Too bad fella. Money back, repair, what now?
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Well Paul, the way to solve the problem is right there, in the left upper corner of the first pic...
Haha sure is. What an appropriate pic
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Opps I was supposed to be putting those away....I was too busy being annoyed at the packing..
The poster was only cheap, so I'll keep it, maybe just leave negative feedback. It's currently under the patented Waines poster press... ;)
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I had an interesting one this morning...
A quad turned up in a tube that was only about 20" in length - the other third of the poster was poking out with just some kraft paper and bubble wrap covering it! Suffice to say, it took a battering.
I'm not massively annoyed as the seller at least went to so some effort to package it, they were just naive on how delicate these things get handled I suppose! The poster is cheap, but quite rare, so it's a little annoying, but the world will keep spinning.
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survived surprisingly alright
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There is more damage on the other side (dents rather than creases), but yeah, it could have been worse for sure! I think perhaps because it came by courier and not Royal Mail, so it gets handled a bit more gently.
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I think that is massively forgiving of you.
No tube - is stupid all the way.
A weak tube - is also stupid all the way.
A strong tube that covers only half of the poster takes Stupid to a whole new level. What can this person haev ben thinking of, or with?
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Gotta agree with simes there... Wot a nut
I would get my partial paypal refund on the deal, proportionate to the amount of effort put into the deal which apperas to be two thirds here
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Hey Tob did they originally make a full length tube out of two separate pieces and one end fell off or was there never anything tubewise on that end?
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Only in the U.K. Tob, only in the U.K.
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Unfortunately no, Paul. I would say that 20% of all tubes I receive from Ebay sellers are damaged and have to be returned for full reimbursement including shipping both ways.
This is the text I send to everyone I buy from. Still, many don't give a shit.
Hi,
I just paid you.
I get a lot of damaged posters that I return to sellers for Paypal reimbursement.
Please, please, please, send the poster in a strong tube and roll it up tighter than the tube, so that if the tube gets hit (and it will) the poster has a chance to make it intact, because it is not pressed tightly up against the interior surface of the tube. Also, please add protection at each end, like paper towels. Too many sellers just "throw" them in tubes with no protection.
I send this message to everyone I buy from, and some sellers still decide that it’s not worth their time. I guarantee you the poster WILL get damaged if you don’t. Why take the risk? It takes 2 minutes to package it properly.
Thanks,
Thierry
I have zero tolerance for shitty sellers.
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That is one of the sadder packaging jobs I have seen!
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I could bring out some of my old pics Chris.... ;)
T, I may pinch that and use it in some of my purchases...every hint helps, right.
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This is the text I send to everyone I buy from. Still, many don't give a shit.
Hi,
I just paid you.
I get a lot of damaged posters that I return to sellers for Paypal reimbursement.
Please, please, please, send the poster in a strong tube and roll it up tighter than the tube, so that if the tube gets hit (and it will) the poster has a chance to make it intact, because it is not pressed tightly up against the interior surface of the tube. Also, please add protection at each end, like paper towels. Too many sellers just "throw" them in tubes with no protection.
I send this message to everyone I buy from, and some sellers still decide that it’s not worth their time. I guarantee you the poster WILL get damaged if you don’t. Why take the risk? It takes 2 minutes to package it properly.
Thanks,
Thierry
I have zero tolerance for shitty sellers.
I think that is an excellent message to convey.
Mark
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Hey Tob did they originally make a full length tube out of two separate pieces and one end fell off or was there never anything tubewise on that end?
Nah, it was just a short tube! I guess the only one they had!
I guess it's always a gamble buying from random sellers, particularly if they've never sold a poster. Im not too mad as at least the person spent time trying to protect it (despite naivety/lack of common sense) and life's too short to worry about such things. I might have to start sending a message similar to T from now on though.
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Unfortunately no, Paul. I would say that 20% of all tubes I receive from Ebay sellers are damaged and have to be returned for full reimbursement including shipping both ways.
I know this is because you mostly buy more modern titles that are shipped in tubes and people don't understand those tubes at Office Max/Depot/Staples don't cut it.
it looks sturdy to them, but are inexperienced etc.
of course, experienced sellers who still use shitty tubes have no excuse
as someone who is more likely to be buying flat folded, books etc, I get way fewer packages that arrive damaged, though packaging methods themselves are sometimes quite weird.
I'm sure I've mentioned the super-rare wc I bought for Don't Look Back for a measly $2 (no one has ever seen another to my knowledge) and was in very nice condition, shipped in a bubble wrap envelope with no cardboard and then inserted into my smaller mailbox (which was probably the least of it's worries as it traveled from Wisconsin to Vegas)
needless to say, the card was creased like a checkerboard by the time it arrived and went from C-8 to C-2 grade. As an example of it's rarity & potential value, when I sold it I still got $277 through my auctions. How much might it have gone for if it was properly packaged?
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Iron Sheik : Look at dis poster , you ruined it with your crappy packing......Imma gonna put you in the camel clutch & make you ham-bell for this !
Walken : Yeah , you f-d up.....I oughta smack ya , IN the head , with this !
;)
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I don't know how people buy new posters anymore, I buy some independent and small release stuff I don't normally get and I would estimate 70% get damaged! It is ridiculous.
Biggest offense in order of occurrence:
No padding on the ends of the tube
Stuff padding in the tube and damage the ends of the poster
wrapping paper core for a shipping tube
condition not as advertised to begin with
rubber bands crease the poster
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For me, #1 is always sellers rolling posters against the inside of the tube. Tubes always get hit. Always. People are just that stupid.
T
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Got this classic today damaged due to shit packing>
(Note the two non factory fold lines that were omitted from the auction)
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Here's the shockingly thin packaging>
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Packagaing_zpsnieyqxo3.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Packagaing_zpsnieyqxo3.jpg.html)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Thin%20cardboard_zpse92ol8of.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Thin%20cardboard_zpse92ol8of.jpg.html)
The Damage (Don't know what you'd call it, Fan tailing ?)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Fold%20Damage%204_zps5rsyhwp5.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Fold%20Damage%204_zps5rsyhwp5.jpg.html)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Fold%20Damage%203_zpswnxf6ds3.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Fold%20Damage%203_zpswnxf6ds3.jpg.html)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Fold%20Damage%201_zpsvg3ngk7a.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Fold%20Damage%201_zpsvg3ngk7a.jpg.html)
Extra folds>
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Extra%20fold_zpsa45jdoeb.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Extra%20fold_zpsa45jdoeb.jpg.html)
I paid £78.50 inc postage so what do you guys think ?
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I love it when people use the pre-folded section of the box, 'cause that's definitely not going to fold over in transit. Methinks for 78 BP they could have gone to the airport and handed it some dude and just have them deliver it personally.
Jackanapes.
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UGh!
Never ceases to amaze me... but i like the term, "fan tailing." Has a good ring to it.
Seems most sellers grab whatever is handy and just go wit it. moron1
Thin, folded corrugated cardboard being the, ahem, best choice of all.
Sorry to see that arrival gargoyle.
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Thanks, Yes I've got it packed up (properly) ready to post back, Shame as it's a great classic poster, But I'd sooner pay more and get a decent version for my monies >:D
I did think to ask the seller to make sure it's well protected but I didn't as he sells a lot of posters and I thought he'll know how to pack them eyeroll
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Thanks, Yes I've got it packed up (properly) ready to post back, Shame as it's a great classic poster, But I'd sooner pay more and get a decent version for my monies >:D
I did think to ask the seller to make sure it's well protected but I didn't as he sells a lot of posters and I thought he'll know how to pack them eyeroll
Maybe he/she sells many and doesnt give a rat's behind... just gets them out the door and in the post any way he/she can and follows up with more in the pipeline.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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a message I just sent an ebay seller:
hey, did the consideration of noting that there is 14 linear feet of tape on the back of these cards strike you when you were listing these items?
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a message I just sent an ebay seller:
hey, did the consideration of noting that there is 14 linear feet of tape on the back of these cards strike you when you were listing these items?
Oh... well done Rich...! What a moron1
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a message I just sent an ebay seller:
hey, did the consideration of noting that there is 14 linear feet of tape on the back of these cards strike you when you were listing these items?
Rich,
Were these cards you bought and then discovered the yardage on? Or was it based on a stray photo the seller placed in his auction listing that caught your eye?
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Rich,
Were these cards you bought and then discovered the yardage on? Or was it based on a stray photo the seller placed in his auction listing that caught your eye?
it was not mentioned in his description, and I didn't take the time to look at the last of 10 images where he shows the backs, which I didn't know until he emailed me back.
he should have put itin the text.. what if I was looking on my phone and the pics are small?
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Got this classic today damaged due to shit packing>
(Note the two non factory fold lines that were omitted from the auction)
Aww that saddens me, especially since it happened so close to "Fog Day": The 21st of April! Great poster though! I have a linen backed one framed and on display!
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it was not mentioned in his description, and I didn't take the time to look at the last of 10 images where he shows the backs, which I didn't know until he emailed me back.
he should have put itin the text.. what if I was looking on my phone and the pics are small?
I agree with you, Rich.
What's another 10 typed words, mentioning the tape and to check out one of his later photos?
Doh.gif
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......... never mind.
nothing to see here.. move along..
(ps: seller did right)
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I normally try not to bother complaining about E-Bay sellers but without going into the damage from packaging and shipping can someone explain to me how you can use the word "MINT" in an auction with the poster looking like this on the back? Not sure if it is a chocolate shake, hot chocolate.... after rolling and shipping this way it was on the front as well. I have been having the worst luck this week with posters arriving. Only one was well packed and arrived OK and even that one they forgot to mention the tape on the back.
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yikes
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So thats what happened to the infamous "the dog shit on my poster" :-\
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So thats what happened to the infamous "the dog shit on my poster" :-\
Wow I forgot about hat one. Still one of the best I have ever heard.
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I recently received an old Victorian photograph that had been shockingly embalmed in a supermarket carrier bag festooned with parcel tape and affixed with an hideously scrawled label. In fact so much sellotape that some of it had got through a gap in the bag and torn away a small section of the image. Ah! To have lasted over a century only to fall into the hands of an idiot...and I don't mean me!
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Just venting.
I am on my eight of nine straight E-Bay purchases where I had to file a complaint or dispute as a result of either damaged in shipping or the seller just being a plain lying idiot. Is it just me or are more and more morons coming out to play lately? I am also entertained by the fact that in shipping we are virtually forced to use/accept Priority mail for shipping which now appears to be a week - two week lose it, find it, damage it deliver it shipping option.
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Wow, Mike, sorry to read the string of Bad arrivals to you lately. That bites, Big Time. And you are right, I think more and more sellers just quickly package up items (especially paper, which I bet many think "cant break") and just slap it in some flimsy tube or thin corrugated, cardboard pieces. moron1
Side note: USPS Priority mail has to be used/selected if any parcel is 13 oz or more, unfortunately.
(unless you want Media Mail/Pony Express, that is). ;D
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For someone like me who only buy mint described post 80s posters and requires them to arrive in mint condition, no creases of any kind, it's a constant battle. I cannot tell u how many posters I return, how many negs I leave. It's the no fun part of the hobby. If you describe your poster as new, that's what I want.
T
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paper thin packaging, blech.
Ill email seller as he has started listing as lot of posters.
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Good lord... That is bad... :-\ I have to say..that will p m off big time... moron1
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paper thin packaging, blech.
Ill email seller as he has started listing as lot of posters.
AND no tracking either? Doh.gif
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My "favorite" transaction that ended my poster buying on Ebay:
Bid and won an item advertised as a 27"x41" original one sheet Saturday Night Fever poster. The poster was also advertised as autographed by John Travolta. A 27"x41" Saturday Night Fever poster was shown in the listing. Little did I know I was dealing with one of the worst Ebay sellers in history.
1. The seller mailed the item to me with insufficient postage (and it got sent back to them).
2. Nearly three weeks after paying, a poster tube finally arrive (with .75 postage) sealed with only two pieces of masking tape arrived.Photo below.
3. Crammed inside was a 24"x36" licensed Saturday Night Fever poster (obviously NOT a 1 sheet and NOT autographed).
4. The seller actually email me the day the poster was delivered asking, almost demanding, that I give them good feedback.
Needless to say, I had to deal with Ebay to get the refund expedited.
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Now that you've been fully initiated and "taken one for the team", why don't you "out" these guys so we don't all make the same mistake?
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2117.0.html
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Now that you've been fully initiated and "taken one for the team", why don't you "out" these guys so we don't all make the same mistake?
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2117.0.html
Agreed. Please advise so others can be aware.
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I'm usually pretty forgiving and not normally into "naming names" but I can make an exception in this case. The user was trans_pride_shop but they are no longer active on ebay - likely banned.
Agreed. Please advise so others can be aware.
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I'm usually pretty forgiving and not normally into "naming names" but I can make an exception in this case. The user was trans_pride_shop but they are no longer active on ebay - likely banned.
Since they are no longer selling on ebay, was this purchase made some time ago?
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My "favorite" transaction that ended my poster buying on Ebay:
Bid and won an item advertised as a 27"x41" original one sheet Saturday Night Fever poster. The poster was also advertised as autographed by John Travolta. A 27"x41" Saturday Night Fever poster was shown in the listing. Little did I know I was dealing with one of the worst Ebay sellers in history.
1. The seller mailed the item to me with insufficient postage (and it got sent back to them).
2. Nearly three weeks after paying, a poster tube finally arrive (with .75 postage) sealed with only two pieces of masking tape arrived.Photo below.
3. Crammed inside was a 24"x36" licensed Saturday Night Fever poster (obviously NOT a 1 sheet and NOT autographed).
4. The seller actually email me the day the poster was delivered asking, almost demanding, that I give them good feedback.
Needless to say, I had to deal with Ebay to get the refund expedited.
Did you end up keeping the SNF commercial poster? If so, could you post a pic of what this scam artist tried to sell you?