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Common Poster Subjects => Authentication => Topic started by: kovacs01 on March 11, 2010, 09:27:59 AM
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I was the underbidder on this one on emovieposter.com's tuesday night auction. Now that its over, I figure I can ask folks' opinion on it. That its the same art but missing title and credits, etc leads me to believe this is some sort of preposter. Those are often smaller and on cardstock, but this one is the normal 27x41 size. Since it is for the first Vacation movie and not a sequel, I cant really believe that this was ever intended for advertising use without any text at all on it. I guess it could be a commercial print, but the size suggests otherwise. What do you guys think?
Schan
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I was watching that one as well, I was thinking a proof of some sort.
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EMP describes these as 'special teaser' OS.
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/tag/nation%253AU.S./film_title/NATIONAL%2520LAMPOON%2527S%2520VACATION/style/special%2520teaser/archive.html
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EMP describes these as 'special teaser' OS.
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/tag/nation%253AU.S./film_title/NATIONAL%2520LAMPOON%2527S%2520VACATION/style/special%2520teaser/archive.html
I'd love to know how he made the determination that it is a studio poster of any kind
I would think it is just a commercial poster designed to be sold in stores.
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It looks to be void of any studio information (or any printer's info, unless it's on the darker, bottom left area, and hard to see?)
So it is curious.
(http://www.emovieposter.com/images/moviestars/AA110106/550/national_lampoons_vacation_special_teaser_dupe3_CA00125_L.jpg)
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It does look to be void of any studio information (or any printer's info, unless it's on the darker, bottom left area, and hard to see?)
So it is curious.
I think it's a case of "let's call it a theatrical poster so it sells better"
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I would think it is just a commercial poster designed to be sold in stores.
Agreed.
T
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Agreed.
T
If that's the case, then bidders paid up to $250.00 for a commercial poster. faint2.gif
How was this poster identified, for certain, as being a rare, theatrical teaser, (before it was offered for auction, that is) since it lacks any text or printer's information?
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hmmm
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If that's the case, then bidders paid up to $250.00 for a commercial poster.
well that isn't necessarily important, unless they only paid that price expecting it to be a theatrically released item and not a poster sold in stores as a retail item
the Endless Summer 30x40 silkscreened poster is a commercially produced poster, however, it was also used for theatrical exhibition as it was the only poster available quite frequently. It's a great poster.. I got $1013 for one on MPB back in 2013 and Heritage got I think something like $4k once.. So being a commercial poster was not an issue on the value, same with the Barbarella 'Platypus' poster
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well that isn't necessarily important, unless they only paid that price expecting it to be a theatrically released item and not a poster sold in stores as a retail item
the Endless Summer 30x40 silkscreened poster is a commercially produced poster, however, it was also used for theatrical exhibition as it was the only poster available quite frequently. It's a great poster.. I got $1013 for one on MPB back in 2013 and Heritage got I think something like $4k once.. So being a commercial poster was not an issue on the value, same with the Barbarella 'Platypus' poster
So then, if that's not the case, I guess it's about knowing what is being auctioned, for certain, rather than just assuming or guessing.
Point is... and I ask again: how was it known that this is/was an actual, rare, theatrical teaser poster, and not something that was produced & sold in places like Spencer's Gifts for 5 bucks?
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So then, if that's not the case, I guess it's about knowing what one is auctioning, for certain, rather than just assuming, guessing or labeling.
Point is... and I ask again: how do we know this is an actual, theatrical teaser poster, and not something that was sold in places like Spencer's Gifts for 5 bucks?
that is correct, but also, to clarify:
well that isn't necessarily important, unless they only paid that price expecting it to be a theatrically released item and not a poster sold in stores as a retail item
if the bidders would not have paid the price for a poster they knew to be commercial, that would be an issue.
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has anyone seen it for sale elsewhere?
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has anyone seen it for sale elsewhere?
I think I saw this come up somewhere (here?) about a year ago.
If it was commercial, one would think that more of them would be floating around.
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has anyone seen it for sale elsewhere?
http://www.movieposter.com/poster/MPW-59185/National_Lampoon_s_Vacation.html
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If it was commercial, one would think that more of them would be floating around.
I don't know about that Jay. there are far more Barbarella one sheets out there than there are the commercial platypus poster or the b&w commercial poster of her
commercial posters are indeed printed in large quantities, but they are sold, posted up with tape & pins, torn down & replaced, torn down by mom, by dad, get beer splashed on them..
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Third time to inquire:
And, Bruce, you said you were here to answer questions, right?
How did you and EMP determine that the above VACATION poster was a theatrical teaser OS and not just a commercial poster print? It looks to have no markings or printer's info whatsoever. According to your descriptions, it does measure the full 27x41, but what were the other determining factors? Even Schan's first post, offered/asked the idea that it could possibly be a commercial piece, but it was never commented on, back then.
Thanks. :)
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You should message Bruce to let him know about this thread. If he's like me, he doesn't check every thread but only the ones he's interested in.
T
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bruce is gonna be pissed if nobody emailed him
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bruce is gonna be pissed if nobody emailed him
nobody emailed me..
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nobody emailed me..
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We know you don't have time to read emails as your auctions are behind schedule
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We know you don't have time to read emails as your auctions are behind schedule
actually, more like working towards an announcement....
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actually, more like working towards an announcement....
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You buying out EMP?
Quiting and going back on poker circuit?
You're pregnant?
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well, it looks like there will be 'no comment' on how they arrived at the conclusion this poster was some sort of theatrical.
I say buckwheats to that
buyer beware?
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Third time to inquire:
And, Bruce, you said you were here to answer questions, right?
How did you and EMP determine that the above VACATION poster was a theatrical teaser OS and not just a commercial poster print? It looks to have no markings or printer's info whatsoever. According to your descriptions, it does measure the full 27x41, but what were the other determining factors? Even Schan's first post, offered/asked the idea that it could possibly be a commercial piece, but it was never commented on, back then.
Thanks. :)
I started to post a reply here a while ago, but I get dizzy trying to keep up with what I post that is "against the rules" and "considered self-promoting", so I often consider posting, and then don't. I wonder if that is related to why so many former regular posters either post so little or have left altogether.
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So much for asking a question (as did other members who were curious and commented as such) about this poster and what it truly is.
I guess I got my answer.
And trying to blame the simple-to-understand Dealer/Seller Posting Rule(s) that T and H put into place is a total cop out, imho.
Moving on.
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So much for asking a question (as did other members who were curious and commented as such) about this poster and what it truly is.
I guess I got my answer.
Moving on.
I guess it really is 'buyer beware'
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told you there would be trouble.
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told you there would be trouble.
I don't see any trouble, but De'nial River be flowing
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So this thread has gotten ridiculous. Schan asked for information I assume primarily because he collects Boris themed posters (and 5 years ago at that), and quickly turned into Bruce is trying to pass off a commercial poster as theatrical and screw people.
If you dont know what something is sometimes you make assumptions with your knowledge and history in the hobby. This poster is 27x41, and thick stock, no printer information. How many commercial posters fit those 3 in general and how many fit ALL 3, not many. In addition, people have absolutely no clue who the source is on the items coming in for consignment, that would potentially also lead one to believe 1 thing over another.
This just grated on me, I get soo many mails of PROVE IT IS AUTHENTIC, how about people prove it is not or at least give someone that has some knowledge the benefit of the doubt.
Also let me add, Bruce fully refunds if something ends up not being what the item was advertised as. If he was trying to screw people, would they offer a money back option? I think not.
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So this thread has gotten ridiculous. Schan asked for information I assume primarily because he collects Boris themed posters (and 5 years ago at that), and quickly turned into Bruce is trying to pass off a commercial poster as theatrical and screw people.
If you dont know what something is sometimes you make assumptions with your knowledge and history in the hobby. This poster is 27x41, and thick stock, no printer information. How many commercial posters fit those 3 in general and how many fit ALL 3, not many. In addition, people have absolutely no clue who the source is on the items coming in for consignment, that would potentially also lead one to believe 1 thing over another.
This just grated on me, I get soo many mails of PROVE IT IS AUTHENTIC, how about people prove it is not or at least give someone that has some knowledge the benefit of the doubt.
Also let me add, Bruce fully refunds if something ends up not being what the item was advertised as. If he was trying to screw people, would they offer a money back option? I think not.
I am not sure using logic will help, but thanks for trying!
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Yes, it is "ridiculous" (to quote your word, Dale) when a legit follow up question about this poster wouldn't be answered, even after it was asked 3x. And this isn't counting the other comments/queries that were made.
So I do agree with you -- 100%.
In the meantime, I did get an answer (elsewhere), so it no longer matters if something is posted here or not.
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Dale, the question is 100% legitimate
what data does anyone have, including the seller, that this is a theatrically released poster of any kind.
Is it just supposition due to the size of the poster?
if so, that is the slimmest of all suppositions to the origin of the poster.
If Heritage had sold the poster, the same person who does not answer the questions would be screaming at the top of his lungs, as he did for a decade every time he felt something "wasn't right"
If this poster is an authentic theatrical poster, you should be able to show the proof that led you to that conclusion. He was asked nicely by people in this thread and the person who said he came here to share information and answer questions has done none of that.
he finally posts this garbage:
I started to post a reply here a while ago, but I get dizzy trying to keep up with what I post that is "against the rules" and "considered self-promoting", so I often consider posting, and then don't. I wonder if that is related to why so many former regular posters either post so little or have left altogether.
what a crock.
Yes, it is "ridiculous" (to quote your word, Dale) when a legit follow up question about this poster wouldn't be answered, even after it was asked 3x. And this isn't counting the other comments/queries that were made.
I agree with Jeff 100% which is exactly the amount I disagree with your post Dale.
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Ok guys, if it was any other seller you wouldnt give two shits, but since its Bruce you need to have carbon dating on the poster and verification from the president of marketing for Warner Brothers in 1983.
What the hell proof are you guys searching for. I will make sure anything I buy from now on includes that documentation you guys are after.
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I've always liked to inquire about poster facts or information, regardless of seller, if something catches my eye about it.
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What happened to "no dealer in-fighting"?
If that rule is now gone, then please delete my account (for the second time).
Thanks either way, and if this is my final post, I will see many of you on Facebook, in my email club, and in my auctions.
Bruce
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My thoughts included these 3 items in combination, not size alone. Size, Paper and no existing printer marks. Not many examples of the combination of the 3 are going to exist for a commercial poster. 27x41 is more expensive, thick stock paper quality is more expensive and what commercial printer prints stuff without their name on it.
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I think Bruce does really well for the volume of posters that get described. Some will not be correct but he offers lifetime refund if so. I suspect the hoo ha Rich is making over this one item pales into insignificance over the likely benefit Rich gains using Bruce's EMP database for information on classifying posters. I also suspect, if Bruce could, he would prevent other dealers using it too because Bruce and his team does all that hard work. On a side issue, I think the database will always be free to access as I suspect it helps to support prices as we go geez, is that what people have paid, egad, I'll have to bid a bit more.
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Ok guys, if it was any other seller you wouldnt give two shits, but since its Bruce you need to have carbon dating on the poster and verification from the president of marketing for Warner Brothers in 1983.
bullshit Dale. It seems that posters are questioned all the time. If someone sells 3000 items a week, there are potentially more often a question than someone selling 10% of that weekly
people are always questioning Dave's prices, Heritage's descriptions, ebay sellers etc.. so tell me, what makes anyone immune to questions? Hell, in his own promo post today he's insinuating that other databases are dishonest, are you critiquing his critique?
there is another reality - maybe the question just could have been answered and that would have ended the conversation. Boom.
Instead, the question was ignored and I hate to tell you, that is exactly the kind of response that puts wood on the fire
I have seen many commercial posters over time the same size as regular movie posters. One producer of Frazetta print posters only used that size. I have reprint posters in my stock that are 27x41, on the same paper as regular posters and no markings to state they are repros, but they came from a repro producer.
Size alone, paper alone IS NOT proof of anything.
If it's a theatrical poster, there should be evidence of it being a theatrical poster and if someone asks - and I am far from the first person to want to know in this thread - and you came here to posit helpful information, exactly what is the problem with actually positing the requested reply? Especially if not posting the answer is going to look unseemly?
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I think Bruce does really well for the volume of posters that get described.
yes he does, but nobody's perfect.
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I'm closing this thread.
Sorry folks, I don't think it's going in the right direction and whatever people think has already been said. The bottom line is, if someone can prove it's a reprint, then I'm sure Bruce will oblige and do it right by the buyer.
Until then, let's just agree to disagree.
T