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Common Poster Subjects => Authentication => Topic started by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 26, 2012, 11:42:44 AM
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What is the specific evidence this is fake?
This seller (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/rare_authentic_cinema_posters/m.html?rt=nc&_fln=1&_ipg=&_trksid=p3911.c0.m283) says they are original and that he obtained them directly from a friend who used to work at Warner Bros but now works for Sony Pictures Classics. His other posters, including his other Batman posters (which supposedly came from the same source), appear to be originals.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Knight.jpg)
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Good question.
Its discussed in another thread. http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1807.0.html ...A thread that totally confused me as to wether this is or isnt a real poster.
I do know that if its real. I want one. 8)
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Yeah, this thread should be combined with that one, although my title is more descriptive.
I'm betting these came from MovieGoods, which is still selling them (http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product_static.asp?master_movie_id=36765&sku=413456).
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Bastards!
Double sided and has their "authentic original item" tag underneath it. They make me sad. :(
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Since it was $16 (including shipping), I went ahead and bought the supposed DS original from MovieGoods. My curiosity is piqued. Will report back to the board....
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I am interested in this experiment.
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The weird thing is that MovieGoods sells a single-sided repro of this poster for $29 (http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product_static.asp?master_movie_id=36765&sku=412104)!
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I got mine (and the one I sold to Dave) from a private seller on Ebay, here in the States.
He did not use the Moviegoods "Style G" descrip like the UK seller, which leads me to believe that the posters the fellow on Ebay.uk is selling might have originated at Moviegoods.
Maybe Dave can send his slightly damaged copy to you for comparison when you receive yours, Mel.
Mine is NM and rolled away. I haven't taken it out for pics because Dave already shot his.
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Since this popped up .. Im still ISO some of those German A1's and the subway poster! ;)
As for this poster .. theres been so much controversay surrounding it I would stay away especially since Tloce was a seller of these. The only thing that makes me wonder if these may have been made at some point is the picture in the other thread that has the wilding versions pasted on the wall. But I would assume those are just SS and not DS ..
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We moved in December, I have no idea where that poster is anymore! Not even sure we kept it. We have thousands of "miscellaneous" posters in boxes that we may never even get to.
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The seller continues to insist he obtained these directly from his movie studio "mate."
He admits that Tloce is known for selling fakes.
He said he used "G" because that is what Amazon labeled it.
He claims his "mate" says it was internally known as poster "10" or "11" - whatever that means.
He is selling on Ebay UK because he thinks he will get higher prices there.
Also, how can this be international if it uses the "July 18" date, the US release date?
Other countries had different dates, (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/releaseinfo) for example Ireland was July 24.
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I keep getting messages from the seller of that Dark Knight saying I've been defaming him on this board.
Actually, I thought he was being truthful and was just passing on information from him.
Anyway, he's supposed to show up here and confirm that he received these directly from his friend and that they came directly from Warner Bros, which may legitimize this poster.
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If anyone wants I can print out a letter of authentication or COA from which ever studio you desire :P
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Hello all,
Tis' I, the seller in question.
Some background info first.
I lived in LA from 2001-2007 delivering for FedEx, UPS plus another smaller company. I met the man in question while doing this job delivering to Warner Bros where he worked at the time. After a while we got to know each other, became friends and he started to hand me freebies. He had access to all of the advertising and i wasn't into collecting but he insisted saying 'you can always sell them'. On my return to the UK though i kept it up, expanding into UK quads and any other posters i liked. Since my return we have kept in touch and exchanged a lot of posters between us. He sends me one sheets, i send him quads.
These Dark Knight posters came in a package sent over from LA around 7 weeks ago together with a load of others. When i unwrapped these particular posters i was overjoyed as The Dark Knight has become something of a favourite for me where the posters are concerned. However, i couldn't find the description anywhere on the web (although i had seen it before on IMPA) and no other sites had this image, except Amazon who listed it as 'Style G' so that's I called it thinking they know what they're doing.
I spoke to my buddy soon after to ask if he knew what it was called and he said that he knew it as number 10/11 but couldn't say for sure. They were part of his vast collection before he trimmed it down for a relocation and he only got them from his work or from friends at other studios so I can't see it being fake. If he had doubts he would have told me as he knows some go on ebay for mutual benefit. That's about all i know for definite.
I'm only on here to defend my posters. I read Mel's posts and didn't like the way they are worded.
This new quote "I keep getting messages from the seller of that Dark Knight saying I've been defaming him on this board" isn't true. I sent him one message and then another to answer the two (now three) he sent me. What is it with lawyers over-complicating things?
He does have a point with the release date though and i have left my poster pal a message with these concerns. I'm not giving out his name or new job title as i don't want it out there in the public eye. I did give Mel it privately. I've also emailed Warner Bros to see if they can shed any light on this issue but it may not be high on their list of priorities.
When i know more i will get back to you all and if the poster is confirmed as a reprint, fake or just plain made up i will take it off my account or sell it as such to get rid of it.
I don't sell or collect fake posters, i don't see the point and i pride myself on that. I also have a return policy if you are not 100% happy with your purchase, and my account though new, shows that too.
Mel probably doesn't realise this but we traded before on a James Bond quad which he said arrived damaged. So being the nice honest gent i am, i offered a full refund or another poster for free. He chose 'Burn After Reading' which i sent out right away, FOC. Funny thing is, the James Bond quad is on his site and doesn't look damaged at all to me. Hmmmmmmmm. ;)
I welcome any questions.
Thanks for your time.
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Welcome To APF Hallucination Generation :)
Stew
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welcome1 aboard, HG. Sound like you have some good information from a reliable source in the business.
Sometimes it appears things are weirdly worded, and especially sometimes via the internet. It does not appear to me that Mel insinuated anything negative about you or your posters, but we all interpret things differently, or course.
Thanks for sharing your side of the story. 8)
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Thanks for the welcome.
Yeah I'm not out to start a war with the guy as I've said to him via ebay, I'm just here to set the record straight.
Although saying that I've just read that after i informed him that these came from Warner's he still writes that "I'm betting these came from Moviegoods".
If that's not negative i don't know what is. It's certainly not positive!
Thanks. :)
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Welcome HG. ;D
Your clarification of several points was both enlightening and informative.
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Thanks buddy.
I do my best. 8)
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Although saying that I've just read that after i informed him that these came from Warner's he still writes that "I'm betting these came from Moviegoods".
If that's not negative i don't know what is. It's certainly not positive!
There are several factors that make this version of The Dark Knight one sheet somewhat of an enigma, but I can see how that comment from Mel could be offensive. I'm not speaking for Mel, but personally, I can say that this version of The Dark Knight has had a lot of hubbub regarding whether it is authentic or not, and now that your story is written here, and with continued research from APFers and/or others reading this thread, maybe the mystery can be solved.
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I dont think it will be solved. we have one guy who admits that he couldnt find any info about this poster anywhere except Amazon .. When they have multiple versions available on Moviegoods and even they call it Style G .. And his idea of proof is saying he has a friend that works at the studio. Theres lots of people who could honestly say they know people who work at studios that doesnt prove any kind of authentication. Its one person saying .. My posters are legit, and typically if we had no reason not to believe him, we would. But this person is trying to sell his product and this happens to be one of the infamous bootleg versions thats been said to have never been officially printed. So I take nothing at face value, the guy who sold me the 24x40 TDK Joker with the knife swore up and down that his were legit posters from the studios as well.
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It could be,
We also have a buyer who has yet to respond.
Stew
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Proof? Who said anything about proof? I never said i was offering anyone any proof.
I'm just here to give my side of a story which included me and an item i happened to be selling.
Whether you or anyone else believes me or not is entirely up to the individual.
However to be fair to buyers and to protect my reputation as a seller the listing has been cleared until i have all the details regarding this poster.
I haven't sold any of these and won't till i know they are genuine.
(I did swap two with a friend for 'Drive' posters and have contacted him and explained the situation. I await his response)
HG.
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Good lord, I'll have to address all these tedious arguments:
(1) You've missed the entire point of this thread. Up until now, the general consensus has been that these are fakes. I started this thread because I noticed you were selling these and you appeared to be an entirely legitimate seller. I'm simply asking for a second opinion.
(2) "I bet these came from MovieGoods." I wasn't saying YOU necessarily obtained them directly from MovieGoods. I'm simply speculating MovieGoods may have been the original source for all of these and they've been sold through intermediaries. At this point, who knows? Your information is pretty strong evidence they are originals. Maybe MovieGoods bought them in bulk from the original printer. (In fact, in the beginning they primarily sold originals from an NSS warehouse in Canada.) They still sell some originals. Their normal modus operandi is to sell single-sided repros, so it doesn't seem like they would go to the time and trouble of printing double-sided copies.
(3) James Bond quad: Yes, I'd forgotten that quad but you're misrepresenting what I said. The black background looks terrible from certain angles due to the extensive rippling throughout the poster, probably from being extremely tightly rolled at one point, which essentially ruined it. It looks fine from some angles. I sent you accurate pictures showing how it looked when framed and you agreed it was fundamentally damaged. I've considered linen-backing it but it's a low priority.
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Good lord, I'll have to address all these tedious arguments:
(1) You've missed the entire point of this thread. Up until now, the general consensus has been that these are fakes. I started this thread because I noticed you were selling these and you appeared to be an entirely legitimate seller. I'm simply asking for a second opinion.
(2) "I bet these came from MovieGoods." I wasn't saying YOU necessarily obtained them directly from MovieGoods. I'm simply speculating MovieGoods may have been the original source for all of these and they've been sold through intermediaries. At this point, who knows? Your information is pretty strong evidence they are originals. Maybe MovieGoods bought them in bulk from the original printer. (In fact, in the beginning they primarily sold originals from an NSS warehouse in Canada.) They still sell some originals. Their normal modus operandi is to sell single-sided repros, so it doesn't seem like they would go to the time and trouble of printing double-sided copies.
So given this information I would be better off paying MG's $10 for their DS original copy as opposed to paying $150 for HG's copy? :)
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Proof? Who said anything about proof? I never said i was offering anyone any proof.
I'm just here to give my side of a story which included me and an item i happened to be selling.
Whether you or anyone else believes me or not is entirely up to the individual.
However to be fair to buyers and to protect my reputation as a seller the listing has been cleared until i have all the details regarding this poster.
I haven't sold any of these and won't till i know they are genuine.
(I did swap two with a friend for 'Drive' posters and have contacted him and explained the situation. I await his response)
HG.
HG,
To set aside certain auctions until you have the full story and information is a sm1 in my book. Congrats on making that decision.
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Good lord, I'll have to address all these tedious arguments:
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Mel - I know the JB quad was wrinkled when it got to you due to my over zealous packing at the time. I wanted it to reach you without damage and I rolled it too tight and did cause it to end up like that. My little dig at you was just that, a way of poking fun. You did send photos and i didn't mind sending out another poster to make up for it. I thought the 'Hmmmm' and winking icon would make that clear but obviously as we've both now seen, reading something on a forum can be taken different ways. :)
Fallenangel11 - Go for the moviegoods poster if you want one as I'm not gonna sell my posters till i know what's going on with them. Given the information i have read here and in other forums it seems like this may never be sorted even though these come from a very trustworthy source. :P
Like Mel, I have ordered one of moviegoods versions just to see how it compares with the ones i was going to sell.
If they match up does that mean i have all reprints or all originals given the info Mel has put forward?
HG.
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A question for those who may know a bit more about how studios handle posters.. Is it possible that these poster may have been printer but were never used? Maybe due to Ledgers death? That could explain the studio friend having copies and possibly how Moviegoods got a hold of (what I am assuming) is a roll or three all while we as the general public never really saw them in theaters.
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A question for those who may know a bit more about how studios handle posters.. Is it possible that these poster may have been printer but were never used? Maybe due to Ledgers death? That could explain the studio friend having copies and possibly how Moviegoods got a hold of (what I am assuming) is a roll or three all while we as the general public never really saw them in theaters.
Yes this happens, but normally they are not in the studios hands, they never leave the printers.
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Don't know if this helps any but here's a listing for a bus shelter poster of the same design with the July release date on it.
I would buy it but it's £16 for posting and that's UK to UK!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/dark-knight-us-bus-shelter-poster-/320916259944?pt=UK_DVD_Film_TV_Film_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item4ab8198468#ht_500wt_1156
Maybe it will put us all one step closer to the end of this mystery image.
'Hal'
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MovieGoods DS poster came in today.
My verdict: Probable original. If it's not, it's a superb repro printed directly from a high-quality digital image with recreated text and logos.
Size: 27 1/16" x 39 7/8"
Front:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/P6010007.JPG)
Back - definitely lighter/whiter, back seemed to match up with the front when I held it up to the light:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/P6010003.JPG)
Small text is sharp, but not razor sharp:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/P6010005_2.JPG)
Small text on back:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/P6010005.JPG)
Compared to known Inception SSR digital repro from Tom Loce (bottom), the text is much sharper on the Joker (top). The text on the Inception is obviously granulated and fuzzy. Unlike the Inception repro, the Joker is very unlikely to be a scanned in or photographed digital repro, although it is possible the text and logos were recreated on the source digital image. The WB logo on the Joker appears to be smudged, which is the only defect I've found so far:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/P6010010_2.JPG)
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Does T know someone who works for Warner? Anyone else have connections? Maybe it can be authenticated in-house....
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You know more than I Mel and I hope you are right but I have trouble believing its real at that price.
Now if that is a fake and it is that good of a repro plus double sided, its not a good thing for my small brain. Especially having seen a fake D/S Star Trek 2009 in person. Makes me wonder...Not good at all.
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You know more than I Mel and I hope you are right but I have trouble believing its real at that price.
Now if that is a fake and it is that good of a repro plus double sided, its not a good thing for my small brain. Especially having seen a fake D/S Star Trek 2009 in person. Makes me wonder...Not good at all.
Like I said before, MovieGoods is selling the SS repro for $29 (http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product_static.asp?master_movie_id=36765&sku=412104) and this DS for $9 (http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product_static.asp?master_movie_id=36765&sku=413456). I don't know printer economics but I'm not sure you could make a profit on a $9 high-quality DS you printed yourself. You could make a profit if you bought rolls of original DS cheap (and there are tens of thousands of DS originals on Ebay now for less than $10). Also, these are pre-printed, ready-to-ship. All their repros are printed when ordered and take 7 days to process. However, MovieGoods could have mass-printed this in the past and is selling them cheap now just to reduce the stock.
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EDIT: I started writing this before you posted Mel... similar thoughts below:
Just speculating here... but if it is real, the studios likely printed up tens of thousands of these. If it was pulled post-printing, but prior to release, it's possible that the whole stashed was saved (or at least rolls upon rolls). MovieGoods' single sided repro is likely priced so they can make a small profit with low-quality prints on-demand (one-off prints cost a lot compared to a multi-thousands order). If they bought rolls and rolls of these never-released 'originals' for pennys a piece, they can charge $10 and still profit. For them to price them that low they would have to have A TON, though... they are basically betting that there are so many that they couldn't possibly run out, leading to a later run up in price.
I wonder if Loce's matches the MG printing?
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So I bought this poster purely to check its authenticity and will give it for free to the first person who (1) pays actual shipping, (2) agrees to keep it for at least one year, and (3) can answer this question (don't answer question unless you want it):
What kind of car does Bruce Wayne drive in the movie and why is that car appropriate for his character?
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For them to price them that low they would have to have A TON, though.
I think you have hit on the truth of the modern poster. There are TONS of them.
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So I bought this poster purely to check its authenticity
Wait a minute. Have you decided? Are you sure either way?
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So I bought this poster purely to check its authenticity and will give it for free to the first person who (1) pays actual shipping, (2) agrees to keep it for at least one year, and (3) can answer this question (don't answer question unless you want it):
What kind of car does Bruce Wayne drive in the movie and why is that car appropriate for his character?
Tumbler that turns into a two wheeled motorcycle... or was it as simple as batmobile because hes batman...
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Tumbler that turns into a two wheeled motorcycle... or was it as simple as batmobile because hes batman...
Did I win? Poster greed FTW...
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Did I win? Poster greed FTW...
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Wait a minute. Have you decided? Are you sure either way?
Reasonably satisfied. I only spent $15 on it, so it's hardly a national crisis.
Did I win? Poster greed FTW...
FTL
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Reasonably satisfied. I only spent $15 on it, so it's hardly a national crisis.
FTL
Poster greed ftp or my answer ftp?
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Fing auto correct...
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hardly a national crisis.
Dont care bout national crises. Only bout posters 8)
Charlie he said Bruce waynes car not Batmans. ;)
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Murcielago lamborgini. Means bat lamborgini. Ftw?
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Dont look at me....Im just a spectator :D
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a four wheeled car, because he wants everyone to assume he is normal.
FC (Fuck cars)
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Murcielago lamborgini. Means bat lamborgini. Ftw?
Yes, but that was your second guess! You "chose poorly" the first time :)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VNlZ6PPXFEs/TOZ8OwuIq3I/AAAAAAAAAPU/HzM0CTSDSRQ/s1600/IndianaJonesHOlyGrail.jpg)
I'll have to re-run the contest....
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Yes, but that was your second guess! You "chose poorly" the first time :)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VNlZ6PPXFEs/TOZ8OwuIq3I/AAAAAAAAAPU/HzM0CTSDSRQ/s1600/IndianaJonesHOlyGrail.jpg)
I'll have to re-run the contest....
Well the question was flawed since Bruce wayne is batman therefore he did drive the batmobile which is relavant to his character. The lamborgini is only relevant since Bruce wayne is batman and not Bruce wayne the character so the only reason it is relavent to his character is because he is batman ergo both answers are correct and one can not be incorrect without the other being incorrect....
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you really want this poster huh? ;D
tell you what, next question I PROMISE I wont try. OK?
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It would be my first batman poster... How fitting to not know if it is real or not...
Nah Mel knows I am just having fun if someone else out there really wants it, its all yours...
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It would be my first batman poster... How fitting to not know if it is real or not...
Nah Mel knows I am just having fun if someone else out there really wants it, its all yours...
LOL .. You know my first batman poster was a fake as well!! Mel let him have it! :P
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I have to say that my posters all match the same as Mel's.
I haven't got the moviegoods version to compare yet but does that mean in the eyes of the forum i can sell mine again without being labeled as the Tom Loce of the UK?
The print is all clear, the two sides match up and the quality of the paper feels right. As for the WB symbol, it looks smudged but i think it's because of the background pattern. It's speckled and plays tricks on your eyes.
One thing though, i emailed the person selling the bus shelter poster and he said and i quote "there are no 1 sheets with this image, they are fake, the only other time this image was used was in Germany." I don't know what he based that on though. And if it was Germany, what's the US release date doing on it.
HG.
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Here are the german versions:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/DKDE.jpg)
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This poster was much discussed in 2008-09 on MPF and nobody really knew the answer. Jon/Treegate claimed they were fakes but he didn't seem to have any special knowledge.
Most of us, including me, are just "enthusiastic amateurs," and this one really goes beyond that level.
Certainly it is possible to create a DS reprint of this quality but I still have a hard time believing it is sufficiently profitable to make it worthwhile, especially since only a relatively few hard-core collectors really care whether it is "original." (Most buyers just want something to stick on the wall and couldn't care less whether it's double-sided or has fuzzy text. Also, Dark Knight is the kind of super-popular movie that attracts non-collectors to want movie memorabilia of it.)
I've not aware of any DS reprint with a lighter/whiter reverse, although I suppose it would be relatively easy to create that effect through Photoshop.
The wrong sellers - MovieGoods and Bradburied (not including HG) - are selling this, which alone makes it dubious.
HG's source appears to be legit, which tends to legitimize them.
The slightly odd sizing is a negative.
We know that this poster was used in some campaigns. Here's a German A1 which no doubt is legit:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/German-A1.jpg)
The MovieGoods poster obviously cannot be an "international version" since it has the PG ratings box.
It is possible that the ad agency would know. Their website includes the "Armed Joker" style (although it says "coming soon.)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/BLT.jpg)
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What we need is Dan to break out his microscope from the moth balls, as he did with the red Doc Ocks...
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I have to say that my posters all match the same as Mel's.
I haven't got the moviegoods version to compare yet but does that mean in the eyes of the forum i can sell mine again without being labeled as the Tom Loce of the UK?
The print is all clear, the two sides match up and the quality of the paper feels right. As for the WB symbol, it looks smudged but i think it's because of the background pattern. It's speckled and plays tricks on your eyes.
One thing though, i emailed the person selling the bus shelter poster and he said and i quote "there are no 1 sheets with this image, they are fake, the only other time this image was used was in Germany." I don't know what he based that on though. And if it was Germany, what's the US release date doing on it.
HG.
What the seller told you is exactly what I would have told you before this thread appeared. Now its harder to say with 100% certainty, but either way if you decide to sell your copy and we're pretty sure its the same as the MG version then you may want to reconsider your price. :)
Now who wants to hook me up with all of those German posters!! ;)
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What the seller told you is exactly what I would have told you before this thread appeared. Now its harder to say with 100% certainty, but either way if you decide to sell your copy and we're pretty sure its the same as the MG version then you may want to reconsider your price. :)
Now who wants to hook me up with all of those German posters!! ;)
Breaking news:
MovieGoods is no longer selling the "original" Style G poster at all (http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_poster/the_dark_knight_2008.htm). Maybe we cleaned them out.
So fess up - who ordered the MG "original" Poster other than me and HG?
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By the way, this is the order of the US posters as far as I can gather. (I'm excluding the known UK one sheets, including Batman looking over Gotham City.)
The "Why So Serious/Joker With Lipstick/Summer 2008" comes out the week of December 10, 2007.
Heath Ledger dies January 22, 2008.
The next "change poster" order comes out March 7, 2008, and requests theaters to change to the Christian Bale "teaser" (what poster does this reference?)
At some point the "July 18" posters come out.
I believe the "Style H" was only printed as a single-sided "wilding" poster.
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/US%20posters.jpg)
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So fess up - who ordered the MG "original" Poster other than me and HG?
No need to be secretive, I ordered one yesterday... just in case ;)
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Great! Guess he is keeping it now... :P
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By the way, this is the order of the US posters as far as I can gather. (I'm excluding the known UK one sheets, including Batman looking over Gotham City.)
The "Why So Serious/Joker With Lipstick/Summer 2008" comes out the week of December 10, 2007.
Heath Ledger dies January 22, 2008.
The next "change poster" order comes out March 7, 2008, and requests theaters to change to the Christian Bale "teaser" (what poster does this reference?)
At some point the "July 18" posters come out.
This isn't correct. See this NSFGE thread for the full story -
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/4441/Dark-Knight-recalled-according--MPF---according--Theatres?page=1 (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/4441/Dark-Knight-recalled-according--MPF---according--Theatres?page=1)
The style B was the first poster hanging up. A week before his death, the style A's were sent out (I happened to be visiting my friend's theater when these arrived) which is where the second image 'The Next Teaser One Sheet' that you are borrowing from MPA is from.
The first image is a standard WB enclosure form that accompanied actual WB prints, in this case 10,000 BC, that provided a general summary of the ongoing WB in theater promotional efforts. In this case, it clearly showed that WB didn't care if the Why So Serious version was hanging up or not and, therefore, had never been recalled.
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I've noticed that the image - especially Joker - on the MovieGoods copy is distinctly darker than the stock image from IMPAwards. (http://www.impawards.com/2008/dark_knight_ver12_xlg.html) Consequently, it is much less detailed. You can very clearly see the green vest on the stock image and it is very indistinct on the front of the MovieGoods copy. (It is more prominent on the lighter/whiter reverse.)
IMO being darker with less detail is a very significant indicator it is a reprint. It is very common for reprints to be darker/less detailed than originals. Of course, I am comparing to a digital stock image.
Stock image on left, my picture of the MovieGoods copy on the right:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/COMPARE.jpg)
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I was thinking about picking one up but never got around to it .. I guess since MG sold out Ill prolly never own one. Since the history is still sketchy I refuse to pay more than I would have paid MG's for the poster.
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I've noticed that the image - especially Joker - on the MovieGoods copy is distinctly darker than the stock image from IMPAwards. (http://www.impawards.com/2008/dark_knight_ver12_xlg.html) Consequently, it is much less detailed. You can very clearly see the green vest on the stock image and it is very indistinct on the front of the MovieGoods copy. (It is more prominent on the lighter/whiter reverse.)
IMO being darker with less detail is a very significant indicator it is a reprint. It is very common for reprints to be darker/less detailed than originals. Of course, I am comparing to a digital stock image.
So it's mine again! Mwah Ha Ha....
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Mel,
I`m following this intently,,great work on this...why are the credits at the bottom of these posters different??
Stew
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One thing i never did was measure them.
I will do that tomorrow.
Thanks for all the info.
Now I'm off to look at that German copy......
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Sorry if i`m babbling but..the bottom right hand image of those posters don`t match up..
Stew
Relevant?? I dunno...
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The stock image is from IMPAwards and is clearly a UK one sheet, which was probably never printed. I've compared them closely and I don't see any obvious cropping (my picture below is slightly cut off at the bottom.)
A close-up of the jacket on my copy - not the green vest is very dark and practically invisible:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/Jacket.JPG)
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Mel,
I`m following this intently,,great work on this...why are the credits at the bottom of these posters different??
Stew
The stock image is from a UK Banner, while the other poster is a 'possible' un-released design for the US market, hence a ratings box...
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The stock image is from IMPAwards and is clearly a UK one sheet, which was probably never printed. I've compared them closely and I don't see any obvious cropping (my picture below is slightly cut off at the bottom.)
Thanks Mel and Archie...its difficult to keep up sometimes..what about the difference at the bottom corner,i can see a mismatch after the WB logo..is it nothing to fuss about?
Stew
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I've put a preliminary authentication of this poster on MoviePosterCollectors.com (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Authentications.html). The authentication summarizes much of the arguments explored in this thread. Bottom line is steer clear of this unless you can get it cheap:
http://moviepostercollectors.com/MPC_Authentication_Dark_Knight_Style_G.html
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/MPC-link.jpg) (http://moviepostercollectors.com/MPC_Authentication_Dark_Knight_Style_G.html)
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I don't normally get involved with new material however...let me see what I can do at my end...this has me curious...
Dan
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I've emailed BLT to see if they can or will, set us straight.
Not heard back from Warner's or LA yet.
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And Moviegoods are back with a fresh supply.....
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And Moviegoods are back with a fresh supply.....
The gift that keeps on giving. 8)
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I don't normally get involved with new material however...let me see what I can do at my end...this has me curious...
Dan
I'm happy to send my copy to the "Godfather" of authentications....
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I'm happy to send my copy to the "Godfather" of authentications....
Asshole!
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Oh Lord, Charlie's crying again. Forum, should I give him the poster just to "pacify" him?
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Upsetbaby.jpg)
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Oh Lord, Charlie's crying again. Forum, should I give him the poster just to "pacify" him?
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Upsetbaby.jpg)
Send it to Louie D,he loves modern paper...I`m sure he would put it to good use ;)
Stew
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Oh Lord, Charlie's crying again. Forum, should I give him the poster just to "pacify" him?
I don't want it? You're just an asshole! ;D
I'm just playing now... Batman is cool but it's not my thing or I would already have a few Batman posters - If you are that worried about it, you can send me the Jolie poster... :P
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I`m gonna stick my neck out (of line)...of the two posters mel presented,the image on the right is a fake..too many speckles amongst other things,although I only have online images to go with...
Stew
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I`m gonna stick my neck out ...
Why should you be any different than any of the other loons on this board? ;D
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Why should you be any different than any of the other loons on this board? ;D
8)
Stew
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well to be fair, rich never sticks his neck out, his dick is another story.
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well to be fair, rich never sticks his neck out, his dick is another story.
Rich sticks dick. Try repeating 3 times.
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Mel,don't take this the wrong way.I know your passionate and want to help but,why are you authenticating a poster from moviegoods by itself?
I think the last 10+ years of movie goods speaks plenty.
If you don't have an original to compare I don't see the point.
Posting information about a fake without the information on the original seems unnecessary too me.
One more thing,in light of movie goods supposedly 'running out' for a minute,in the future when you do a legit authentication complete with an original and several different sourced fakes,might be wise not to reveal where the fakes were purchased unless absolutely nessecary.Some lurkers here and elsewhere have bad intentions.Don't wanna give em' any help.
Not saying that's what happened but it has in the past.
Anthony
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Mel,don't take this the wrong way.I know your passionate and want to help but,why are you authenticating a poster from moviegoods by itself?
I think the last 10+ years of movie goods speaks plenty.
If you don't have an original to compare I don't see the point.
Posting information about a fake without the information on the original seems unnecessary too me.
One more thing,in light of movie goods supposedly 'running out' for a minute,in the future when you do a legit authentication complete with an original and several different sourced fakes,might be wise not to reveal where the fakes were purchased unless absolutely nessecary.Some lurkers here and elsewhere have bad intentions.Don't wanna give em' any help.
Not saying that's what happened but it has in the past.
Anthony
I don't think you read every thing here Anthony. Mel suspects that the movie goods is original. Right now there are no known originals...
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Those that have been around awhile, think back to the Grindhouse and 300 reprints. Think you have the same printing source with these.
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Is there a full sized, high quality DS Grindhouse floating around?
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I believe the grindhouse were 27x39. They were shopped around in the wholesale market as an INTL printing. The print quality on the 300 was very good, I never bought any of the grindhouse because the title was already going for high prices so the math didnt add up to what the sellers were trying to get out of the batch they had.
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No I think it's fake now. I've changed my mind again. It's just too dark and lacks critical detail compared to the image provided by the ad agency to IMP, which is a classic sign of a reprint. I've printed a few reprints myself and that is a very typical result.
I don't agree we should wait and only post "perfect" authentications. We need to put everyone on notice of the known issues ASAP. The "we only publish perfect and super-scholarly authentications" attitude contributed to MPA's current zombie state.
Check my Grindhouse authentication on MPC.
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The key to creating a great fake is recreating the small text and logos on your digital master image. (The image is relatively easy - just blow up your source image with Blow Up software). The text is a little more challenging but there are tools you can use to match the text. (I ain't saying where or how to find text matching tools). I was able to find these perfect logos on the Internet with relative ease.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/insignia3.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Insignia.jpg)
With these logos (and a few others) and the "Armed Joker" source image from IMP, I could create an excellent digital master image very quickly. The real bottleneck is printing them double-sided cheap.
Of course, if you obtained the original master digital image from the ad agency, you're really set....
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No I think it's fake now. I've changed my mind again.
Thats too bad. I dont like its chances but I was still hoping that it somehow found the light of day. I like the image much. Off to Germany I go.
Mel, I think you might have answered this already but why no Pulp Fiction regular authentication?
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Note the green vest is very prominent and visible on the front of the US bus shelter:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Dark-Knight-bus%202.jpg)
The Moviegoods poster. I just don't believe the studio would have printed a poster in which the vest is very dark and practically invisibile.
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Joker/Jacket.JPG)
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I don't think you read every thing here Anthony. Mel suspects that the movie goods is original. Right now there are no known originals...
I think you're right,Charlie.
T, this is exactly what I was taking about when I said I needed schooling.
The rate everyone purchased this poster back then I assumed it was legit.Ya learn something new all the time.
Still,ya know movie goods version was never gonna be legit.
Mel,occassionaly the 'quick' authentication won't work.Some posters in the future will require more in depth work.
About MPA,it's doing what it was meant to do.A place where the info could be spread to the collectors in need.Anybody's free to post another authentication whenever they want.
Anthony
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Anybody's free to post another authentication whenever they want.
That would be nice but its been what three years since someone put something new up?
Why is that?...Far too many egos?... maybe some conflicts of interest as well? ...Dont wanna piss off a bootlegging buddy?
Seems strange to me that that just died like that.
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nah, Jeannie who owns the site isn't in the poster scene anymore.
Someone should take it over.
But I guess as it it sits there and there's good info.
So long as things dont need updates I guess.
I dunno, only read my own one, as the others I have no interest in.
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Someone should take it over.
But I guess as it it sits there and there's good info.
Yes and yes.
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practicing for a greek remake of When Harry met Sally Zorba?
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practicing for a greek remake of When Harry met Sally Zorba?
Ill have what you are having. 8)
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really? steamed tofu with kombu and rice? ok..
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really? steamed tofu with kombu and rice? ok..
Yuck?
I havent tried that so I wouldnt know but I do know that there isnt much I dont like when it comes to food and drink.
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As for this Joker poster .. Ive always been under the impression that only banners and the German posters had this artwork available. The only bit of proof that made me doubt that was the picture of the wildings posted up in the other thread. But given all of the recent comparisons in here I would venture a guess that Mel is accurate as far as this MG/HG style poster is concerned.
But if you compare the "wilding" posters to these HG/MG posters they are totally different as well. Maybe someone can post a side by side of the wilding and the MG/HG posters. If there was to be a legit one I would compare it to the wilding seeing how it has the most likely-hood of being legitimate.
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Here is the MovieGoods poster (left) and the wildings on the right (lower right is reoriented wilding from the upper right pic). Unfortunately, the color of the wilding picture appears to be blue-shifted but I noticed:
- The MG poster is significantly cropped on the right and left (but the bus shelter is also cropped compared to the wilding too). Look to the right of his right hand and you'll see more sparks along the right of the wilding.
- The vest appears to be more prominent on the wilding
- The wilding says "in theaters and IMAX"
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Wildings.jpg)
Bus shelter compared to wildings:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Bus-compare.jpg)
Bus Shelter v. MovieGoods DS - the MGoods poster clearly is grainier, darker, and lacks the finer details and coloration of the vest:
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/SHELTER-V-MGOODS.jpg)
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You cant really compare a wilding to a bus shelter to a banner to a one sheet, they are all going to be taken from the same digitial image, but the cropping is going to be different and certainly from a different print run when settings are going to be tweaked.
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As for this Joker poster .. Ive always been under the impression that only banners and the German posters had this artwork available. The only bit of proof that made me doubt that was the picture of the wildings posted up in the other thread. But given all of the recent comparisons in here I would venture a guess that Mel is accurate as far as this MG/HG style poster is concerned.
But if you compare the "wilding" posters to these HG/MG posters they are totally different as well. Maybe someone can post a side by side of the wilding and the MG/HG posters. If there was to be a legit one I would compare it to the wilding seeing how it has the most likely-hood of being legitimate.
Hey, this is a bit of a twist in this thread but for a 13 year old girl you know an awful lot about posters. ;D
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I went back and re-read Kev's authentication of the Style B on MPA (http://movieposterauthenticating.com/wordpress/the-dark-knight/the-dark-knight-style-b/). Whoever made the fake DS Style Bs probably made these "Style G" repros as well. It's the same pattern: The repros are much darker and have lost detail and subtlety.
Repros on left:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/darkknightb-0.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/darkknightb-4.jpg)
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I still have yet to pull mine for pics.
I want to see how green the vest is.
The cropping on the bus shelter looks identical to the one sheet, doesn't it?
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Not that it matters all that much, but that 'bus shelter' sure looks like a 'banner' to me...
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trouble maker ;D :P ;)
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Not that it matters all that much, but that 'bus shelter' sure looks like a 'banner' to me...
I noticed that also, Archie, but you summed it all up pretty well. thumbup
Good work, Mel. A few good theories and the theory about the style G being done by the the same guy as the repro mentioned sounds reasonable, based on the similarities. thumbup
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Yes, I guess it is a banner. I called it a bus shelter because it came up in the MPF topic "Dark Knight Bus Shelter" (http://www.movieposterforum.com/index.php/topic/11829-dark-knight-bus-shelter).
That picture of the banner is Jon's. I read through all the old MPF posts on this poster and several posters said this image was used only on the "international banner."
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Dark-Knight-bus.jpg)
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Hey, this is a bit of a twist in this thread but for a 13 year old girl you know an awful lot about posters. ;D
How time flies .. I was only 10 when I registered here! Good times everyone!!
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I didn't realise what the heck HG was on (about), but get it now.
Well done Lil' Miss
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I didn't realise what the heck HG was on (about), but get it now.
Well done Lil' Miss
Thanks Ari ;) It feels like just the other day i was beheading Barbies and melting their heads with a torch .. ahh how we miss our youth ! :)
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the people at moviegoods are reading this thread and laughing their asses off.
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Not that it matters all that much, but that 'bus shelter' sure looks like a 'banner' to me...
My apologies for not posting much on here, a few people brought this thread to my attention, an thought I would post. Archie is correct, that image is of my domestic theatrical vinyl banner, it isn't a bus shelter poster. The banner was printed on very thick vinyl with an opening at the top and bottom for the wooden dowels to slide in and out, with each dowel having a tiny ring on each end to make it easier for theaters to display. This is the image I took of mine a while ago to show people what it looked like, size is 5 feet wide by 8 feet tall. To give it some scale, I believe you can see my office door frame to the right which is a 7 foot door. It's quite a large piece, certainly gets a person's attention. Hope all is well with everyone here too.
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the people at moviegoods are reading this thread and laughing their asses off.
They are quite sanctimonious nowadays. They CLAIM they have licenses for all their reprints and never mislabel their wares. Check out these posts from another forum: (http://www.movieposterdb.com/forum/topic/313)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/MGoods3.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/MGoods.jpg)
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My apologies for not posting much on here, a few people brought this thread to my attention, an thought I would post. Archie is correct, that image is of my domestic theatrical vinyl banner, it isn't a bus shelter poster. The banner was printed on very thick vinyl with an opening at the top and bottom for the wooden dowels to slide in and out, with each dowel having a tiny ring on each end to make it easier for theaters to display. This is the image I took of mine a while ago to show people what it looked like, size is 5 feet wide by 8 feet tall. To give it some scale, I believe you can see my office door frame to the right which is a 7 foot door. It's quite a large piece, certainly gets a person's attention. Hope all is well with everyone here too.
I think that they also made a 6x9 version as well. I'll have to check mine to make sure...
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the people at moviegoods are reading this thread and laughing their asses off.
No shit!
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That would be nice but its been what three years since someone put something new up?
Why is that?...Far too many egos?... maybe some conflicts of interest as well? ...Dont wanna piss off a bootlegging buddy?
Seems strange to me that that just died like that.
It was never meant to be jumpin',Zorba.There's only so many authentications you can do.Just meant to reference the info.
It's doing what it was created for...just being there.
As far as nothing new up,I don't see any of the reasons you mentioned being a factor.Maybe some could be afraid they don't have enough knowledge to do a good job.Afraid of public ridicule.Possibly cuz Mel has a site now they figure I don't need to.
But really,I think money would be the biggest issue.Depending on what you're authenticating...could be costly.
Anthony
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I was able to ask 2 sources-two different theatre chain employees who are involved with marketing.
Both claimed NOT to have seen a one sheet size for this particular style.
I thought if anyone would have it would have been either one of these two.
They both had all other styles on hand including the "why so serious".
ps-no I am unable to get any...
cheers
d
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I was able to ask 2 sources-two different theatre chain employees who are involved with marketing.
Both claimed NOT to have seen a one sheet size for this particular style.
I thought if anyone would have it would have been either one of these two.
They both had all other styles on hand including the "why so serious".
ps-no I am unable to get any...
cheers
d
If these turn out to be authentic poster (MG's is possibly a copy of that authentic poster), i think its safe to guess that these were an unreleased version. For whatever reason .. maybe Heath Ledgers death.. Maybe the gun (some countries have restrictions on this) .. Or maybe it was just printed as a wilding for the premiere or special screenings/areas. No matter what I think we can all safely say this wasnt widely distributed to any theater/chain to be displayed.
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Well, I can't believe I missed something so obvious but I've found the "father" of this fake poster on MPDB.com. "Wolf" - one of the top contributors on MPDB - posted the source image for this poster on MPDB.com on June 26, 2008 (http://www.movieposterdb.com/poster/417be191).
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/MoviePosterDB.jpg)
The image is identical to the poster from MovieGoods except that the MovieGoods poster is darker, as explained below. It is an excellent quality image, very sharp lettering, very large size (2400 x 3800) and easily can be "blown up" with a Photoshop extension (http://www.alienskin.com/blowup/index.aspx) to a larger size image that can be used to print a high quality 27" x 40" poster printed at 150 dpi (or maybe even 300 dpi).
The MovieGoods poster is noticeably darker than the MPDB image with commensurate loss of details in the dark areas. Darkening and loss of detail compared to the source image is very typical. (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/why_are_my_prints_too_dark.shtml) I've paid to have 10 or so "Blow Up" images professionally-printed at commercial print shops and the printed poster was noticeably darker than the source image. (I even complained to the printer about it.)
I've posted the full-size image here temporarily (http://www.posternirvana.com/Temp/Dark%20Knight%20Armed%20Joker.jpg) if anyone wants it.
The MPDB image even has the exact same"smudged" WB logo as on the printed MovieGoods poster. Below is a screen capture of the lower right of the MPDB image (full resolution):
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Smudge.jpg)
Smaller version of downloaded MPDB image:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/DarkKnightArmedJoker2.jpg)
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Considering the way the campaign was ramping up before his death - If one didn't know better you might have thought a Joker movie was coming out (with an appearance by the Batman) - I think it more likely than not that this was planned (if not printed) to be released alongside or a bit prior to the Flaming Batman and Big Ugly Motorcycle. They were slowly introducing the new-look Joker and this would have been the big reveal, but, because of his death and the fact that the film's 'awareness' levels were already off the charts, it made sense to not use them.
BTW, the gun wouldn't be an issue or else the US banner wouldn't have been sent out...
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Okay, drum roll please.
My MG poster has arrived.
If nothing else their delivery times are pretty good.
I'm opening ...........now!
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gulp..... :-X
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So, here are the photos of my posters i had listed. Front and back respectively.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0184.jpg)(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0186.jpg)
And here are the same photos of the the MG's version.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0110.jpg)(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0113_2.jpg)
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The front of my 'originals' have more detail when it comes to the green waistcoat and seem overall crisper too.
The paper quality feels about the same. I'd say the first ones feel better but I may be biased since they are my firstborn. :)
The rear though look the same. Both are lighter and have this streaky pattern running across them.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0185.jpg)
On my first copies the Warner Bros logo is crisp and clear. The Mg's poster isn't far away but i'd say it was a little smudged but again, it's hard to tell with the speckled pattern behind it. It distorts the image in my eyes anyway. This is my original copy.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0188.jpg)
More to come, just wait...
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Looking at the logo on the forum here it all looks smudged but on the poster it looks okay.
My first copies measure in at 27.50" x 40.25"
MG's copy measures in at... 27.25" x 39.75"
I'm using a metal tape measure on a carpet which isn't ideal but it's all i have to hand now.
I will update that later today when i can get in to the room where my cabinet is and lay them completely flat.
And yes each set of photos is taken in a different room with different natural light but i can't help that right now.
So, fire away with any questions, thoughts, ideas, general name calling, abuse etc, etc.....
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Thanks HG. Can you take detailed shots of the vest area on both under the same light and also side by side.
I don't see a dramatic difference yet but the size difference is interesting....
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Paper sheen doesnt feel right. The edge cuts do not look like what would come from a studio run, joker face is not very sharp.
I am saying not a studio print run, but honestly, these are pretty damn good if they are not.
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Paper sheen doesnt feel right. The edge cuts do not look like what would come from a studio run, joker face is not very sharp.
You would know.
Does it smell right?
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I haven't forgot about this.
I will do the comparison hopefully tomorrow which is today now.
So, later.
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Okay, side by side and in the same light.
Moviegoods is always on the right.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0209.jpg)
Fine print, Moviegoods still on the right.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0210.jpg)
Moviegoods WB logo fine print.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0211.jpg)
Rear of posters.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0205.jpg)
Close up of streaky parts.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0206.jpg)
Having them both laid flat on the cabinet they measure out at nearly the same with my LA copy being slightly bigger. Maybe .25 of inch each way.
Anything else you need to know just ask.
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Okay, side by side and in the same light.
Moviegoods is always on the right.
Wow the image is cropped in Moviegoods. Look at the windows on the right there is always less of a window in the moviegoods copy... Interesting...
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is it jsut me or does the font for the actors names look slightly different as well?
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is it jsut me or does the font for the actors names look slightly different as well?
Yes the text is a different weight (thicker)... Good eye!
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A lot of the cloud surrounding Ledger,seems to be less prominent on the MG version,most notable at his right shoulder and left elbow...
Great attempt though..
Stew
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Thanks HG. Can you take detailed shots of the vest area on both under the same light and also side by side.
I don't see a dramatic difference yet but the size difference is interesting....
What do you think Mel?
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The style G you have for sale,I would say is genuine..the mg example is typically mg
Stew
Not that my opinion matters FFS.
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To be honest when taking the photos i didn't see any of what you all see now.
The paper quality and the size difference i spotted. I do see the differences in the photos though.
I'll wait and see what Mel says. He seems to know what he's talking about.
Thought I'd have heard something by now.
He must be locking up bad guys, or freeing rapists.
I don't know what side he bats for ;D
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The style G you have for sale,I would say is genuine..the mg example is typically mg
Stew
Not that my opinion matters FFS.
It matters to me buddy. :P
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Take a closeup of the upper right like this with them right next to each other. (I've shifted your original to the right in the pic below to compare but you could it better). I do see a bit of a crop.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/IMG_0209d.jpg)
My pic of MGoods upper right:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/P6140003.jpg)
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Okay. Here are the two posters close up with the moviegoods as always on the right.
It's in artificial light so stay with me here.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0243.jpg)
Close up of the 'windows'. Again a bit dark, sorry.
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/IMG_0236.jpg)
Thing with these images is my original is the same as your MG's. With the cropped part i mean.
What's up with that?
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I think i may just sell them off as reprints labeled "One of the great poster mysteries of the 21st century!"
As it doesn't look like we will get the answer. I didn't expect WB's or BLT to get back to me really but i was hoping.....
Either that or i will keep them in case 10 years from now some proof comes out and says they are real.
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I think i may just sell them off as reprints labeled "One of the great poster mysteries of the 21st century!"
As it doesn't look like we will get the answer. I didn't expect WB's or BLT to get back to me really but i was hoping.....
Either that or i will keep them in case 10 years from now some proof comes out and says they are real.
I'm really not seeing any material differences between the MovieGoods poster and yours.
I think you're worrying about it too much. The only requirement is that you fully and fairly disclose the issues with this poster.
I recommend you list these as originals and add a disclosure like this in your Ebay ad:
Although I am listing these posters in the originals section, I cannot guarantee they are originals. I obtained them directly from a reliable source at Warner Bros who has always provided rock-solid originals, so I have good reason to believe they are originals. Plus, double-sided reproductions are very rare and expensive to print and the small text and logos on them are very sharp, which normally proves originality. However, I've learned that one sheets with this image were never distributed to theaters, so I believe this poster is either an unreleased one sheet or a very high quality reproduction.
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I think i may just sell them off as reprints labeled "One of the great poster mysteries of the 21st century!"
As it doesn't look like we will get the answer. I didn't expect WB's or BLT to get back to me really but i was hoping.....
Either that or i will keep them in case 10 years from now some proof comes out and says they are real.
How many of these things do you have??!?
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So given this information I would be better off paying MG's $10 for their DS original copy as opposed to paying $150 for HG's copy? :)
Looks that way.
Sorry. I forgot to add this >>>>> :P
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I'm really not seeing any material differences between the MovieGoods poster and yours.
I think you're worrying about it too much. The only requirement is that you fully and fairly disclose the issues with this poster.
I recommend you list these as originals and add a disclosure like this in your Ebay ad:
Although I am listing these posters in the originals section, I cannot guarantee they are originals. I obtained them directly from a reliable source at Warner Bros who has always provided rock-solid originals, so I have good reason to believe they are originals. Plus, double-sided reproductions are very rare and expensive to print and the small text and logos on them are very sharp, which normally proves originality. However, I've learned that one sheets with this image were never distributed to theaters, so I believe this poster is either an unreleased one sheet or a very high quality reproduction.
Okay, that seems like the decent thing to do.
I'll put up the listing at the weekend and see what happens. I'll avoid calling it international though seeing as it seems to not to be with the July 18 date.
Okay if i quote your blurb above?
Dave.
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Looks that way.
Sorry. I forgot to add this >>>>> :P
Mel: Hallucination Generation:, did you attempt to sell potentially fake movie posters?*
Judge Randolph: You *don't* have to answer that question!
Hallucination Generation: I'll answer the question!
[to Mel]
Hallucination Generation: You want answers?
Mel: I think I'm entitled to.
Hallucination Generation: *You want answers?*
Mel:*I want the truth!*
Hallucination Generation: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses]
Hallucination Generation: Son, we live in a world that has suckers, and those noobs have to be taken for all of their money. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for over TDK fakes being sold, and you curse the printers that make them. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That these fakes, while tragic, probably make those noobs very happy. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, stimulates the economy. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me selling these posters, you need me selling these posters. You use words like original, theatrical, authentic. You use these words as the backbone of a life spent collecting something. I use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who has such a moral code. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a copy of photo shop, and start printing. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Mel: Did you attempt to sell potentially fake movie posters?
Hallucination Generation: I did the job I...
Mel: *Did you attempt to sell potentially fake movie posters?*
Hallucination Generation: *You're Goddamn right I did!*
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Mel: Hallucination Generation:, did you attempt to sell potentially fake movie posters?*
Judge Randolph: You *don't* have to answer that question!
Hallucination Generation: I'll answer the question!
[to Mel]
Hallucination Generation: You want answers?
Mel: I think I'm entitled to.
Hallucination Generation: *You want answers?*
Mel:*I want the truth!*
Hallucination Generation: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses]
Hallucination Generation: Son, we live in a world that has suckers, and those noobs have to be taken for all of their money. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for over TDK fakes being sold, and you curse the printers that make them. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That these fakes, while tragic, probably make those noobs very happy. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, stimulates the economy. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me selling these posters, you need me selling these posters. You use words like original, theatrical, authentic. You use these words as the backbone of a life spent collecting something. I use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who has such a moral code. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a copy of photo shop, and start printing. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Mel: Did you attempt to sell potentially fake movie posters?
Hallucination Generation: I did the job I...
Mel: *Did you attempt to sell potentially fake movie posters?*
Hallucination Generation: *You're Goddamn right I did!*
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That is classic. :D
Very well done, had me in fits of laughter as i read. ;D
And I like that I'm Jack Nicholson. 8)
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Hallucination Generation: Son, we live in a world that has suckers, and those noobs have to be taken for all of their money. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for over TDK fakes being sold, and you curse the printers that make them. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That these fakes, while tragic, probably make those noobs very happy. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, stimulates the economy. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me selling these posters, you need me selling these posters. You use words like original, theatrical, authentic. You use these words as the backbone of a life spent collecting something. I use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who has such a moral code. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a copy of photo shop, and start printing. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Very funny (http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-GIFS/judge.jpeg)
If these are fakes, HG will have to face his doom....
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Endcat.jpg)
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I recommend you list these as originals
spew
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spew
You should go vomit on Dan, the godfather of authentications, cuz I directly modeled my recommended language on his. How likely is this ROLLED Manhattan an original? Not. But the disclosure is sufficient.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Manhattan.jpg)
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No.
You made a call on this poster. Has nothing to do with anyone or anything else.
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No.
You made a call on this poster. Has nothing to do with anyone or anything else.
For what it's worth, I "think" ALL of these "July 18 Armed Joker" one sheets are fake since the Loces of the world have it, it was never released to theaters, and it's unnaturally dark, so I've labeled it a reprint on MPC now (http://moviepostercollectors.com/MPC_Authentication_Dark_Knight_Style_G.html).
But my opinion is no more valid than anybody else's and at this point we can't rule out that HG's particular posters came from a stash of unreleased posters directly from Warner, so it's proper for him to sell it with full disclosure, just like Dan is doing with his Manhattan poster.
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Fair enough sir.
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I feel dirty.
Feel free to call me names.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180909122389#ht_500wt_1156
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I feel dirty.
Feel free to call me names.
Do not tempt me. :P
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I feel dirty.
Feel free to call me names.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180909122389#ht_500wt_1156
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Hey I've got a bid.
Wait a minute!!
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Your bidder has a 5000-plus rating.
Maybe he knows something we don't.
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Your bidder has a 5000-plus rating.
Maybe he knows something we don't.
Here's hoping.
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After holding one of these in my hands, I believe that there is almost no possibility that they are real. The paper looks (the gloss has a texture), feels (too thin) and smells (no smell) plain wrong. Dale's earlier comments based on the pictures are spot on...
BTW, the fact that it has a US ratings box would preclude it from being 'an international' more than the date would...
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HG should do what DaveL did with his Hairy Belt SW posters, sell them to us for the cost of shipping! :)
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Look familiar?
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/batman_3_poster___catwoman_by_joshwmc.jpg)
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Look familiar?
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/batman_3_poster___catwoman_by_joshwmc.jpg)
What's this from?
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It's a fan made poster, probably from the Dark Knight photo manip topic on Superherohype.com boards
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and smells (no smell) plain wrong.
I was waiting for someone to comment on the smell.
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I was waiting for someone to comment on the smell.
happy1
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German double sided one sheet.
Note the lack of detail on the green vest.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/German-Rolled-1-Sh-Double-Sided-DARK-KNIGHT-2008-Motive-/00/s/MTAyNFg3MzA=/$(KGrHqF,!jkE-oZ,sj9WBP203IG24!~~60_12.JPG)
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Lack of green noted, HG.
I still have to pull mine out for pics and close examination.
Just been too damn busy lately...
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I was curious about this one, so I bought it.
It is my opinion that it is not an original poster. It doesn't look right, it doesn't feel right, and it doesn't smell right. I will be returning it.
I would be very surprised that if in the future evidence proves that it is real.
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I was curious about this one, so I bought it.
It is my opinion that it is not an original poster. It doesn't look right, it doesn't feel right, and it doesn't smell right. I will be returning it.
I would be very surprised that if in the future evidence proves that it is real.
That's a nice but slanted way to put it David.
You bid on this item and i noticed it was you so i offered you a free copy to examine if you paid the postage costs there and back.
You gave me your opinion today and I've took them on board. You asked if i wanted it back and i said yes, as agreed.
You NEVER bought this poster. Money never changed hands. All you will have paid for is the return postage costs. I will pay the p&p to you although now i don't know why.
I could have let you pay for the item but i wasn't going to have a fellow member do that when i knew all they wanted was to check it.
Thanks for adding your 'side' to this thread.
"I would rather you just said thank you and been on your way"
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I got Mel's copy yesterday. I checked it with a flash light and the back side is off by about a 1/32 of an inch... I say fake! Not sure about yours Hallu...
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HG - you have to realize Dave lives in an alternate Cinemastereality
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potato potahto.......Yes, I bid on it because I was curious. I would have gladly paid for it but you offered to send it for free first and I accepted your kind gesture.
No reason to get all bent out of shape.
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potato potahto.......Yes, I bid on it because I was curious. I would have gladly paid for it but you offered to send it for free first and I accepted your kind gesture.
No reason to get all bent out of shape.
Well why not say that in the first place?
Instead of "I bought it and i will be returning it" when that was obviously not the case.
It was a nice gesture on my part that was thrown back in my face via this forum.
That's plenty of reason to get bent of out shape i think.
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If you read my post it is pretty straightforward. There is nothing in it to suggest I was throwing it back in your face. My apologies if you felt that way.
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It is my opinion that it is not an original poster. It doesn't look right, it doesn't feel right, and it doesn't smell right. I will be returning it.
How did the feel, smell, etc., stack up against the one I sent you last year?
Can you compare them, side by side?
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I can't compare them. I really have no idea where that one is. We moved last year so a lot of posters are temporarily mia.
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Thanks, Dave.
cheers
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Now as a modern poster moron, how does smell come into it? I KNOW about vintage posters and smell, and can smell a nice vintage french petite from 100 yards, but surely legit and bootleg moderns smell the same as each other...?
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Now as a modern poster moron, how does smell come into it? I KNOW about vintage posters and smell, and can smell a nice vintage french petite from 100 yards, but surely legit and bootleg moderns smell the same as each other...?
Ari you need to ask about the Cinemastersmell as well
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I smelled that once, it was a little like across between caviar and petrol fumes (just a hint of cuban cigars and champagne).
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I smelled that once, it was a little like across between caviar and petrol fumes (just a hint of cuban cigars and champagne).
What about the hint of $500 Pretty Woman one sheet tears?
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well that goes without saying.
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well that goes without saying.
What did those smell like?
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stale urine from a dead badgers vagina
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stale urine from a dead badgers vagina
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So Dave's been keeping more than overpriced posters in the Cinemastervaults then?
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yes, he calls it Darling.
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stale urine from a dead badgers vagina
Dissin' badgers, now?
It's 'Go Time,' Skip!
(http://www.osnn.net/attachments/funny-farm/1618d1081957712-funny-picture-thread-badgersbadgersbadgersreal.gif) whip
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Posters are now listed as reproductions albeit with an original poster price tag which has some flexibility.
Along with a little blurb about where they came from etc, so that any potential buyers know exactly what they are getting.
Everyone rhetorically happy?
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when it cokes to Dark Knight nobody will ever be happy!
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Link to banner from Irlland.
Note July 25 date.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THE-DARK-KNIGHT-2008-MOVIE-BANNER-THE-JOKER-VERY-RARE-/300738538356?pt=UK_DVD_Film_TV_Film_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item460569eb74
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A banner just sold on ebay.com yesterday for $186.
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If you read my post it is pretty straightforward. There is nothing in it to suggest I was throwing it back in your face. My apologies if you felt that way.
Got the sample poster i sent out to you back today.
Thanks for packing it so well. With a poster sleeve wrapped around the middle and nothing else.
I sent it out to you wrapped in tissue paper with bubble wrap around each and with extra padding for protection.
Just because you believe it has no value doesn't mean it shouldn't have been packed correctly.
Now each end has flattened out edges. Thanks for that.
With the overpriced posters you sell i hope you spend more time packing those than you did mine.
If Karma does indeed exist it owes you a kick in the balls.
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without making my eyes bleed, i have been looking at these posters, So my take from this is, there isnt a real version like this?? if there IS, were could i get it, this and they why so serious poster is on my list, and it is comming up soon. SOOOO, help a fella out
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Hi all,
Just joined this forum because I have been following this thread with great interest and just purchased this poster from Hallucination Generation. His poster does seem to be the most legit specimen of this poster I have seen as evidenced by the comparison with the Moviegoods repro which is slightly undersized and cropped. My theory on this poster is that it was indeed printed by the studio as an official North American one-sheet but the studio may have changed their minds in the wake of Ledger's death. That may be speculation on my part until someone can get a confirmation or source to verify this hypothesis. In any case I have had my eye on this for some time and the efforts to authenticate by this forum convinced me to purchase and to join the forum. It's getting much harder these days to know which posters are real and this is a great source of information for which to make an informed purchase. I have no doubt Hallucination Generation's poster will satisfy and I look forward to adding his poster to my collection.
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Hi all,
Just joined this forum because I have been following this thread with great interest and just purchased this poster from Hallucination Generation. His poster does seem to be the most legit specimen of this poster I have seen as evidenced by the comparison with the Moviegoods repro which is slightly undersized and cropped. My theory on this poster is that it was indeed printed by the studio as an official North American one-sheet but the studio may have changed their minds in the wake of Ledger's death. That may be speculation on my part until someone can get a confirmation or source to verify this hypothesis. In any case I have had my eye on this for some time and the efforts to authenticate by this forum convinced me to purchase and to join the forum. It's getting much harder these days to know which posters are real and this is a great source of information for which to make an informed purchase. I have no doubt Hallucination Generation's poster will satisfy and I look forward to adding his poster to my collection.
welcome1 to APF, One-Sheet.
I share the same theory. I have no doubts that it is genuine.
I bought mine on Ebay from a non-poster seller when the film first came out, long before Moviegoods began selling their version.
cheers
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welcome1 to APF, One-Sheet.
I share the same theory. I have no doubts that it is genuine.
I bought mine on Ebay from a non-poster seller when the film first came out, long before Moviegoods began selling their version.
cheers
Thanks for the reassurance, brude. cheers That is what I was hoping to hear. I have a few high quality repros/customs in my collection to compare it against but I like what I have seen so far and ultimately it is a great poster to have regardless. My friend had a custom street Joker 27x40 DS same as the British banner he got off ebay years ago that he loved but it got destroyed and we couldn't find another. He just took a high res digital scan and got it professionally printed and the repro is actually superior in quality in terms of detail resolution, contrast, saturation and quality of inks. He is very pleased with it and is sending me one so I have that coming in addition to this one from HG.
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welcome1 to APF, One-Sheet.
I share the same theory. I have no doubts that it is genuine.
I bought mine on Ebay from a non-poster seller when the film first came out, long before Moviegoods began selling their version.
cheers
cheers to all.
You like me, you really, really, like me ;D
(Except David from CMPOC)
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I received my poster today from Hallucination Generation and it was packaged very safe, securely, and professionally and the poster was undamaged. Thank you very much for that.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7110/7727309922_718af8f7cb_b.jpg)
It is a beautiful poster and I am extremely pleased with it. When I first unrolled it my first reaction was that it had to be a legitimate studio issue. It is exactly 27x40" and double sided and the back aligns perfectly and the text (at a glance) appears to be pretty crisp. However, upon closer examination of the poster I began to have my doubts about its authenticity. Here's why:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/7727310352_000bbe0509_b.jpg)(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/7727310794_5cb0d52c68_b.jpg)(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7727311228_8849964934_b.jpg)
The overall softness of the pixels in the image on fine details leaves a somewhat jagged stair-stepping effect. It's really evident in the Joker's hair strands and along the edges of buildings and the edge of his coat. I know the image depicts a lot of flying debris around the character but it's the pixels and their softness that have me question the resolution of the poster. To be fair, I examined it closely against my Style C TDK (Batpod) poster and the pixels in that image are also pretty soft with lots of flying debris so I'd say that the overall graininess of the image was by design. It's just that they are a bit softer and not as fine on the Joker one.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7727311680_e7ff8f7c41_b.jpg)(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8289/7727308980_f9664f886a_b.jpg)
Next I compared the text and logos. The Warner Logo is a little softer (and slightly different) on the Joker one compared to the Batpod one-sheet and my other TDK one-sheets. Also the TM on The Dark Knight logo is a little softer. It's VERY VERY close on the Dark Knight logo, but some of the gray embossed highlight detail is lost on the Joker poster logo and there is some noticeable posterization and blue gradient color banding on the Dark Knight logo compared to my other TDK one-sheets. It also doesn't have the "A film by Christopher Nolan" text above the title like the other posters do. The other thing that struck me was the absence of credits at the bottom, only the date 'July 18' and studio copyrights similar to the "Wilding" poster. My other two advance posters have no date and say "Summer 2008."
(Batpod style 'C' logo first, Joker poster logo second)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8421/7728099876_1c69ec42af_b.jpg)(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7129/7728099152_7728054869_b.jpg)
Also the texture of the paper. It's VERY close to my other official Dark Knight double sided posters, but not 100% exact. It's slightly off in texture by comparison. It's so close though that if I hadn't pulled out the other posters to compare it against I probably would not have really noticed it.
So my general conclusion is that this has to be in all likelihood a reproduction, albeit a VERY VERY good one. One of the better ones I've seen. I just can't say with absolute certainty that it is an original and I doubt that anyone aside from someone from the studio who knows the history of the marketing campaign and posters that were actually printed could verify its authenticity either though I can see why the guy from Cinemasterpieces raised an eyebrow but I am not personally insulted by it like he was. Yes, he sells only authentic posters which I can understand but I also don't understand the general thumbing the nose attitude that was taken toward HG when all he wanted was an expert opinion on its authenticity and his questions professionally answered.
Again, I am VERY VERY happy with the poster overall. Since this has never been officially released as a one-sheet I am happy to have it in my collection for the uniqueness of the artwork alone. If you are a fan and want to add this poster to your collection I highly recommend buying it from HG. It's obvious his poster is better quality than the cropped one sold by Moviegoods and without the excess contrast that one has. And as long as HG continues to list it under reproductions and states that even he is unsure of its authenticity then he is at least being honest and I don't see a problem as long as the buyer can make an informed decision.
Again, thanks HG for your professionalism and for the poster. I am pleased to own it and it has been a pleasure doing business.
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Thanks, and you're welcome.
I'm happy that you are pleased with it.
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Thought I'd do a bit of research and prove some of you 'doubting Thomases' wrong.
I know that this poster is legit.
Apparently, it was produced as a teaser by BLT.
See here: http://bltcommunications.com/Project/the-dark-knight (http://bltcommunications.com/Project/the-dark-knight)
If you hover your cursor over the small images, it clearly says 'teaser.'
Whether it was actually used is another story, but these are the people who designed it.
I believe that this the rarest DK poster of the lot.
I have emailed them asking for details on sizes, distribution, etc., and when I hear back I will update this thread.
cheers
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It was used for the Teaser banner. They are not necessarily distinguishing between image and use. The proportions of the thumbnail, which could conceivably be off, but I don't know why they would be, clearly indicate banner sizing more than poster. Take a look at the Where the Wild Things Are - the images with the same proportions are marked as banners or bus shelters.
Anyways, it be nice if they had some additional info.
Also, nice to see the BLT folks have their new website up, I know that they were looking forward to it.
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I did notice the size difference, but I also saw where other obvious bus shelters were labeled as such while this one was labeled as 'teaser.'
Hopefully, they will give my request for info consideration and I will hear back soon.
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Thought I'd do a bit of research and prove some of you 'doubting Thomases' wrong.
I know that this poster is legit.
Apparently, it was produced as a teaser by BLT.
See here: http://bltcommunications.com/Project/the-dark-knight (http://bltcommunications.com/Project/the-dark-knight)
If you hover your cursor over the small images, it clearly says 'teaser.'
Whether it was actually used is another story, but these are the people who designed it.
I believe that this the rarest DK poster of the lot.
I have emailed them asking for details on sizes, distribution, etc., and when I hear back I will update this thread.
cheers
Hurrah for me!
I emailed them too but you may have more clout than me. ;D
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Thought I'd do a bit of research and prove some of you 'doubting Thomases' wrong.
I know that this poster is legit.
Apparently, it was produced as a teaser by BLT.
See here: http://bltcommunications.com/Project/the-dark-knight (http://bltcommunications.com/Project/the-dark-knight)
If you hover your cursor over the small images, it clearly says 'teaser.'
Whether it was actually used is another story, but these are the people who designed it.
I believe that this the rarest DK poster of the lot.
I have emailed them asking for details on sizes, distribution, etc., and when I hear back I will update this thread.
cheers
Personally I never felt that the artwork wasnt authentic, just (possibly) the posters. All too often we see images pulled from websites or reused from banner artwork and various other sources that are tweaked with some fresh text added and churned out as SS "authentic" theater posters or for the sneaky ones "wilding" and/or international posters. Sadly they have been getting better and started with the DS bootleg/fake/whatever posters.
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Haven't visited this thread in forever, so I will just go by Dave's last post. Yes, the artwork is authentic. I saw it at bus stops here in Los Angeles. I got a copy straight from WB. But to my belief, it was only printed as a bus stop.
T
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Haven't visited this thread in forever, so I will just go by Dave's last post. Yes, the artwork is authentic. I saw it at bus stops here in Los Angeles. I got a copy straight from WB. But to my belief, it was only printed as a bus stop.
T
While I don't have the bus shelter poster T refers to, I do have the banner version which was done on thick vinyl also direct from Warner Brothers. It measures 5 feet wide by 8 feet tall with a slit at the top and bottom for the wooden dowels to slide in which were also included. Having not seen the bus shelter one I don't think those were made on vinyl or that large, if that is the case then the image appeared as the bus shelter poster and the vinyl banner. T, I sent a PM to you, but didn't hear back, curious if you received it ok as I know the PM function had been giving some a few problems.
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I received it but I didn't really understand what I was supposed to do with the info. Thanks, I guess.
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New poster for this thread.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-DARK-KNIGHT-ORIGINAL-Movie-Poster-Style-G-24-25-x-39-75-BATMAN-Joker-/281229985512?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417a9d06e8
(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s462/hallucinationgeneration1/T2eC16JHJFsFFRcZ8HBSWlZPoYVw60_57_zps671caf7c.jpg)
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As far as I know, the Wildings were only for the US and this is a UK poster so that doesn't add up. Not sure why they would print a glossy Wilding either?
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Ive never "liked" this poster .. too many odd things about it.
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As far as I know, the Wildings were only for the US and this is a UK poster so that doesn't add up. Not sure why they would print a glossy Wilding either?
Is it glossy? Never noticed.
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Someone asked a question on the auction page:
Q: Hello, I was just wondering is this printed in paper, vinyl or something else? Thank you. Dec-30-13
A: Hi, It is printed on paper, but it has a vinyl/ plastic finish that makes it glossier than a regular paper poster . It is white on the back, the image is only on the front. Please feel free to contact us with any other questions.
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uhnoI wonder who this HG is REALLY... have we maybe seen him on here before with a different name?? Hmmmm ..
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Someone asked a question on the auction page:
Q: Hello, I was just wondering is this printed in paper, vinyl or something else? Thank you. Dec-30-13
A: Hi, It is printed on paper, but it has a vinyl/ plastic finish that makes it glossier than a regular paper poster . It is white on the back, the image is only on the front. Please feel free to contact us with any other questions.
Ah, never noticed that.
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uhnoI wonder who this HG is REALLY... have we maybe seen him on here before with a different name?? Hmmmm ..
Yes, who am I?
Am i really here typing?
Do i exist?
Maybe I'm in all your minds?
Maybe, just maybe...........
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Yes, who am I?
Am i really here typing?
Do i exist?
Maybe I'm in all your minds?
Maybe, just maybe...........
A hallucination perhaps?
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Want there controversy with the other batman poster you were fogging hg?
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no such poster... its fake. was only produced bus shelter size.
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Also produced as a Wilding...
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/8125bb0f-cfe4-4ae1-80e6-edee597dcab9_zps0267f355.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/8125bb0f-cfe4-4ae1-80e6-edee597dcab9_zps0267f355.jpg.html)
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not having it
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You think the Wildings are fake too?
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yes.
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Why? If they are fakes why aren't they available to buy? Surely the only reason to go to all that trouble would be to rip people off with them no?
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/ScreenShot2014-01-23at145826_zps463c232d.png) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/ScreenShot2014-01-23at145826_zps463c232d.png.html)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/DKRW1_zpsd3cdc99c.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/DKRW1_zpsd3cdc99c.jpg.html)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/ScreenShot2014-01-23at145441_zps90f68883.png) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/ScreenShot2014-01-23at145441_zps90f68883.png.html)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/ScreenShot2014-01-23at145643_zps5be416e1.png) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/ScreenShot2014-01-23at145643_zps5be416e1.png.html)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/ScreenShot2014-01-23at150005_zps8a893dde.png) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/ScreenShot2014-01-23at150005_zps8a893dde.png.html)
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no such poster... its fake. was only produced bus shelter size.
And banner sized, and wilding, and German poster sized and US one sheet bee-atch!!
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Double-sided one sheet, too.
cheers
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Double-sided one sheet, too.
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;D YEAH!!! ;D
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then how come nearly ALL dealers with any kind of reputation didnt have any of these... EVER!
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then how come nearly ALL dealers with any kind of reputation didnt have any of these... EVER!
I suspect that there are many posters that 'dealers with any kind of reputation' haven't handled for a variety of reasons.
But, if Charlie can get some info from Suren Galadjian, the artist of the Wolverine posters for BLT Communications (the studio credited with the 'armed joker' style poster here: http://impawards.com/2008/dark_knight_ver12.html (http://impawards.com/2008/dark_knight_ver12.html) ), then maybe we'll get a definitive answer.
I have emailed BLT twice for info with no success.
Charlie has had better luck.
Let's see what happens.
cheers
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This thread will never die til the truth is known. ;D
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This thread sucks. Who started this crap? Oh, me. gun2
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Lenticular as well:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/APF/Dark%20Knight.PNG)
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Interesting. Would they be for the UK as it says 'Cinema' rather than 'Theatres'? Very nice either way.
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The U.K. uses both terms, Cinema and Theatre. I have a few posters with "At your local Cinema" on.
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So the question is, does the the US ever use Cinema? I wouldn't have thought so personally.
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So the question is, does the the US ever use Cinema? I wouldn't have thought so personally.
It's a rare "variant" term here, even less commonly used than "film." Don't recall seeing it on a US poster.
You do hear it occasionally, like the cable channel "Cinemax" and "Cinemascore."
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Does the U.S. Also use two spellings of "theatre" and "theater" on the posters?
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Does the U.S. Also use two spellings of "theatre" and "theater" on the posters?
Seems mixed. It seems that "theatres" feature live shows & plays while "theater" is more common for movie venues.
http://www.broadway.com/shows/tickets/
http://grammarist.com/spelling/theater-theatre/
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Does the U.S. Also use two spellings of "theatre" and "theater" on the posters?
I don't recall seeing any wide-release American movie poster using 'theatre' or 'cinema.'
There could be one or two out there, but I've yet to see it.
cheers
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Just got this in. Single sided and obviously folded, so basically ruined but it seems to be a wider image showing more buildings and sparks. slightly different typographically too. It's about 1-sheet size, maybe a little slimmer. Not sure where it's from exactly although it came through someone who had a video shop so maybe that's a big clue! I have the Batman version too, but that's in even worse condition :(
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/DKRFOLDED_zps4b64313b.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/DKRFOLDED_zps4b64313b.jpg.html)
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4ft x 6ft bus shelter with 'July 18' tag.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTE0/$T2eC16NHJH8E9qSEU6HCBQGYe0R07w~~60_57.JPG)
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Just got this in. Single sided and obviously folded, so basically ruined but it seems to be a wider image showing more buildings and sparks. slightly different typographically too. It's about 1-sheet size, maybe a little slimmer. Not sure where it's from exactly although it came through someone who had a video shop so maybe that's a big clue! I have the Batman version too, but that's in even worse condition :(
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/DKRFOLDED_zps4b64313b.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/skyjackers/media/DKRFOLDED_zps4b64313b.jpg.html)
Was this poster machine folded and issued that way? Looks to be.
If so, why do you think it is ruined?
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Maybe I was being a bit dramatic but I'm really not a fan of folds in modern posters.
I've missed out on bidding on a few items because they were folded and then regretted it because I've never seen them since. I've had to learn to accept the fold. ;D
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Ah, remember this?
Good times. ;D
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Ha! Still got them in a tube somewhere.