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Title: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 25, 2012, 11:47:31 AM

Hi there. I was wondering if there are any Belgian poster experts on the forum that can help me. I'm thiking of purchasing this poster: (http://www.moviepostermem.com/images/products/238e561c-2cff-4758-af71-133fa601cfcb.jpg) which is being advertised as original... but I've now seen this image: (http://images.cloud.worthpoint.com/wpimages/images/images1/1/0107/24/1_db4c5f981c8dfb003e2b03cdce88ec9b.jpg) which is also advertised as original but I've noticed that the 20th Centry Fox logo in the bottom right corners are different colours (one red, one blue) Now I know the second photo IS original to 1953 as it's on a reliable site so am I to believe that the first image is a re-release? I know that Belgium posters are a tricky area for autheticity so any help would be... well.... helpful! Thanks!  ;D

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 25, 2012, 12:53:11 PM

Actually... after some research on other Marilyn Belgiums this guy has on offer (and finding the original auction that he bought them from (along with the original prices - damn he was gonna make a healthy buck or two)) I suspect that he is selling re-issues without actually realising. May have to give him an email to let him know.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: paul waines on April 25, 2012, 01:00:48 PM

The pic you posted Gemma, looks like a re-pro, and there's lots about. The second image you posted has disappeared...So can't comment.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 25, 2012, 01:06:27 PM

Oops...it's this:
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/62654_10150854345552345_645702344_11561292_1981671141_n.jpg)

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: paul waines on April 25, 2012, 01:24:46 PM

Well without looking at the info on the bottom of the poster, this looks like an original due to the snipe and stamp on it, but could't say from which release...

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 25, 2012, 01:33:35 PM

Yes I'm with you. I'm guessing that the second image is more likely to be an original 1953 release because of the snipes and stamps and the first picture (the poster i was going to get) must be a re-release (too clean and is slightly a different colour). I'm not chancing it and decided not to buy. I'm not paying premium for a re-release.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: paul waines on April 25, 2012, 01:38:50 PM

I think the first image is a re-pro, not an original, or re-release just a copy.  There doesn't seem to be any info at the bottom of the poster, and there should be...

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: brude on April 25, 2012, 01:43:27 PM

Great design.
You have nice taste, Gemgem.
 cheers

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 25, 2012, 01:43:47 PM

Thanks Paul I'm walking away from this deal before I get burned!
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/LLSamSam/Gif%20Folder/th_tumblr_lqb6jkkwGO1qa358q.gif) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/LLSamSam/Gif%20Folder/?action=view&current=tumblr_lqb6jkkwGO1qa358q.gif)

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 25, 2012, 01:47:10 PM

Quote from: brude on April 25, 2012, 01:43:27 PM

Great design.
You have nice taste, Gemgem.
 cheers

And then I just spoilt it by posting a Dr Who gif. Oops.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: paul waines on April 25, 2012, 01:50:16 PM

Hey nothing wrong with Dr Who.... ;)

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: CSM on April 25, 2012, 07:51:09 PM

A little tip on Belgians (if you don't know).  The bottom on original says "Imprime on Belgique".  Many of the 80s repros state "Printed in Belgium"

Not a fool proof especially on the earlier re-releases.

But the snipe and tax stamp likely date this to an original release.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: erik1925 on April 26, 2012, 12:25:22 AM

GemGem.. here's a better image of an original Belgian release for NIAGRA. You can see in the lower left border where it reads, Imprime En Belgique.

(http://images.ha.com/lf?source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fnewnames%2f300%2f5%2f6%2f2%2f6%2f5626694.jpg%5d%2ccontinueonerror%5btrue%5d&scale=size%5b450x2000%5d%2coptions%5blimit%5d&source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fwebuse%2fno_image_available.gif%5d%2cif%5b%28%27global.source.error%27%29%5d&sink=preservemd%5btrue%5d)  (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6968680228_772793e338.jpg)

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: CSM on April 26, 2012, 12:31:03 AM

Ugh - my earlier post which I now cannot edit SHOULD have read "Imprime En Belgique".  I evidently need a proof reader!

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 26, 2012, 05:31:33 AM

Thanks guys! You've all been a huge help! You've saved me making a big mistake for now and on future purchases.  :-*

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: Ari on April 26, 2012, 05:40:26 AM

its still nice, if I was a MM fan I'd like it.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on April 26, 2012, 10:01:17 AM

I'm in no rush to get a copy. I did had a print of this hanging in my bedroom for years (still have it and I have no shame displaying it as it's my favourite Marilyn film and poster art) but it'll be extra special to own an original and for £125 I thought I had a bargain. But now I know it's not original to the year I'd rather carry on hanging my print until an original comes up. I don't care about values but I'm not going to buy something that isn't really much of a step up from my print.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: Ari on April 26, 2012, 10:03:34 AM

makes sense.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: erik1925 on April 28, 2012, 11:20:15 PM

Here you go, GemGem- currently on ebay  ;):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIAGARA-MARILYN-MONROE-HENRY-HATHAWAY-1952-MOVIE-POSTER-34-/150793502864?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DUPI.GIROS%26its%3DI%252BC%252BS%26itu%3DUCI%252BUCC%26otn%3D9%26pmod%3D170830284595%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8052886420896327594

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/NIAGARA-MARILYN-MONROE-HENRY-HATHAWAY-1952-MOVIE-POSTER-34-/00/s/MTIwM1g5MTM=/$(KGrHqR,!mIE9JBsBfNPBPgDckLm0w~~60_57.JPG)

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: TheAnswerMVP2001 on April 29, 2012, 02:36:21 AM

Quote from: erik1925 on April 28, 2012, 11:20:15 PM

Here you go, GemGem- currently on ebay  ;):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIAGARA-MARILYN-MONROE-HENRY-HATHAWAY-1952-MOVIE-POSTER-34-/150793502864?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DUPI.GIROS%26its%3DI%252BC%252BS%26itu%3DUCI%252BUCC%26otn%3D9%26pmod%3D170830284595%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8052886420896327594

I bought my first poster from him, in general his prices are insanely inflated, but he does have a few pretty hard to find Italians I've been eyeing at a relatively reasonable price.  The poster I bought from him I've found no where else except Intercard (and I've been trying to buy a poster from Intercard for six months) so in some cases his prices are not too bad, considering he ships 2-day Fedex and only charges $25 shipping (when it costs about $65 to ship 2-Day Fedex from Spain) so about $40 of the poster price is shipping.  But I wouldn't buy anything from him that's ready available anywhere else.  If you can find it somewhere else it will be cheaper.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: Silhouette on April 29, 2012, 05:45:12 AM

If that's a Belgian then compared to the HA one it has been trimmed?

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: CSM on April 29, 2012, 10:42:36 AM

Quote from: Silhouette on April 29, 2012, 05:45:12 AM

If that's a Belgian then compared to the HA one it has been trimmed?

Yeah the blank top area has been trimmed.  Very common on Belgians and not really a defect (well to me anyways).

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: Ari on April 29, 2012, 10:53:47 AM

wonder if anyone collects the trimmed part?

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: erik1925 on April 29, 2012, 05:57:02 PM

Quote from: TheAnswerMVP2001 on April 29, 2012, 02:36:21 AM

I bought my first poster from him, in general his prices are insanely inflated, but he does have a few pretty hard to find Italians I've been eyeing at a relatively reasonable price.  The poster I bought from him I've found no where else except Intercard (and I've been trying to buy a poster from Intercard for six months) so in some cases his prices are not too bad, considering he ships 2-day Fedex and only charges $25 shipping (when it costs about $65 to ship 2-Day Fedex from Spain) so about $40 of the poster price is shipping.  But I wouldn't buy anything from him that's ready available anywhere else.  If you can find it somewhere else it will be cheaper.

Yes, Benito's prices are Very high but he also has a multitude of things that really havent been seen or offered elsewhere. For those pieces that can be found elsewhere, the price is bound to be lower. But he has rare gems that sparkle, too.  thumbup

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: peckinpah on April 29, 2012, 06:02:50 PM

Quote from: GemGem on April 25, 2012, 01:06:27 PM

Oops...it's this:
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/62654_10150854345552345_645702344_11561292_1981671141_n.jpg)

As for this one I would have asked what date was printed on the stamp. Most of the time one can read them very well...

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: Posterodyssey on May 22, 2012, 10:01:22 PM

Glad that all got sorted out and you didn't stuck with a repro,Gem.

Gem,don't know if it's your cup of tea but,keep the Yugoslavian 70's re-release in mind as well.
The colors really pop up close.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d48/posterstorage/niagara4.jpg)

Anthony

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: CSM on May 22, 2012, 10:02:54 PM

That's great Anthony - don't believe I have seen that one before

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: Posterodyssey on May 24, 2012, 10:42:08 PM

Thanks,Chris.
I stumbled upon it one night long ago and had to have it.Had never seen it before at the time either.Don't care to much for the US material (not that I could afford it).The French re-release is cool but,I think I like this style better.
I love the layout.
Like I said,slightly more vibrant in person.

Anthony

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on May 25, 2012, 03:30:01 PM

Quote from: erik1925 on April 28, 2012, 11:20:15 PM

Here you go, GemGem- currently on ebay  ;):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIAGARA-MARILYN-MONROE-HENRY-HATHAWAY-1952-MOVIE-POSTER-34-/150793502864?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DUPI.GIROS%26its%3DI%252BC%252BS%26itu%3DUCI%252BUCC%26otn%3D9%26pmod%3D170830284595%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8052886420896327594

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/NIAGARA-MARILYN-MONROE-HENRY-HATHAWAY-1952-MOVIE-POSTER-34-/00/s/MTIwM1g5MTM=/$(KGrHqR,!mIE9JBsBfNPBPgDckLm0w~~60_57.JPG)

Thanks very much... I emailed the seller during this auction and, though it's pricey, I can't find another anywhere. Do I wait??? Well he accepted part payment so I can at least think about it.

And yes I've seen that Yugoslavian one before but I haven't taken to it (I have Yugoslavian posters so that isn't the problem). I think the top image of Marilyn (with the 5 o clock shadow) makes her look like a man in drag!

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: erik1925 on May 25, 2012, 03:56:58 PM

Gem, I didnt notice her "5 o'clock shadow" until you pointed it out. Very funny.  qip

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8148/7269470524_9e440321d8.jpg)

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: CSM on May 25, 2012, 04:01:07 PM

Quote from: erik1925 on May 25, 2012, 03:56:58 PM

I didnt notice her "5 o'clock shadow" until you pointed it out. Very funny.  qip

Damn me neither.  That's funny

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: paul waines on May 25, 2012, 05:01:01 PM

It's a girl thing, only women would spot it.... ;)

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on May 09, 2015, 08:21:46 AM

Dang it's nearly three years since I first inquired about this (plus a year beforehand trying to find one)... so that's four years trying. Wow... That's a seriously long time to try and get a poster. Anyways... I GOT MY NIAGARA!!!!

(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11201620_10153533375087345_3339838249914096900_n.jpg?oh=bae04dd3c1ac4ad852ba86e2db32e2f2&oe=55C7946E)

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Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: Harry Caul on May 09, 2015, 09:16:47 AM

Congrats!

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: erik1925 on May 09, 2015, 12:54:43 PM

Nice job and congrats to you, too Gemma. It looks beautiful.

And as you posted in the other thread, it pays to be patient and keep your eyes and ears out. One will eventually make its way to you -- and, here, it has. The wait and the search paid off. Plus, it's a another great sign that you are a true collector, not expecting or crying over the fact that a poster you seek hasn't fallen into your hands the minute you want it.

Good for you. The imagery on that piece and MM's closeup are incredible!  thumbsup.gif

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: GemGem on May 09, 2015, 07:31:29 PM

Thanks Erik! Yep... I think i'll be collecting now till I die.

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: erik1925 on May 09, 2015, 09:24:26 PM

Ditto on that, Gemma.  :D

Jeff

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: brude on May 11, 2015, 06:49:42 PM

Quote from: GemGem on May 09, 2015, 08:21:46 AM

(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11201620_10153533375087345_3339838249914096900_n.jpg?oh=bae04dd3c1ac4ad852ba86e2db32e2f2&oe=55C7946E)

What a great poster.
One of the few Belgians I have been seeking and also my favorite art from the film.
Congratulations, GemGem!

Title: Re: Niagara Belgian enquiry
Post by: CSM on May 14, 2015, 10:57:22 PM

Congrats - it is a very nice looking poster!