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Title: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 22, 2012, 02:05:49 PM
I set up a new "Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame" section on MoviePosterCollectors.com (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake_Sellers.html) to take on some of the miscreants in the hobby. Fortunately, various sections of MPC have been rising to the top of the Google rankings for many movie-poster-related searches, so I'm hoping this will get more notice than the complaints in the forums.  You can send a link to the Shame section to any victim of any of these sellers:

www.moviepostercollectors.com/Fake_Sellers.html

First up is Tom Loce.  Others (MovieBads, etc.) are coming down the pipeline. Any constructive feedback is appreciated.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on April 22, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
Good on you.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on April 22, 2012, 04:30:09 PM
Good thing you're a lawyer Mel (for when those inevitable lawsuits or threats of lawsuits start coming)

But I do commend your intention here!
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 22, 2012, 06:00:00 PM
Isn't there far more than just this one guy... What about bradburied = He is selling known Star Wars fakes for $100+
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on April 22, 2012, 06:10:20 PM
The Dread Pirate is here to kick ass and chew gum.
And.... he's all outta gum.
 cheers
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 22, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
The Dread Pirate is here to kick ass and chew gum.
And.... he's all outta gum.
 cheers


I'm ready!  piratemel

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/MSH-Supreme.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 22, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
It's fun outing these mofos.  I'm separating out the pages.

Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Fame Home Page (http://www.moviepostercollectors.com/Fake_Sellers.html)

Fake Seller tloceposters (http://www.moviepostercollectors.com/Fake-Seller-tloceposters.html)

Fake Seller MovieGoods (http://www.moviepostercollectors.com/Fake-Seller-MovieGoods.html)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on April 22, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
Me with my editors hat on, on the mviegoods page it says:

"Collectors always to buy originals. "

maybe it makes sense to you danged Americanos but this little Aussie thinks not ;)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 22, 2012, 09:32:20 PM
Yo Mel... Doesn't TLOCEPOSTERS have multiple Ebay accounts?

Isn't he bradburied as well? He always seems to have 2 of the same poster no matter how many he sells.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on April 22, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
no he isnt bradburied, they are friends. theres also ed richter (spelling?) cant remember his ebay ID. there was/is 4 of them called the famous four, who have similar stock.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 22, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
OK, I made minor corrections to the existing pages. Next up is Bradburied.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on April 22, 2012, 10:12:27 PM
I would trade a Mint rolled Spiderman twin towers (fake) for these guys to join and post here.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on April 22, 2012, 10:18:24 PM
I would trade a Mint rolled Spiderman twin towers (fake) for these guys to join and post here.

You should try and get ALL their signatures on the Prof. Powers Blade Runner insert!
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on April 22, 2012, 10:20:09 PM
THATS a life mission.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on April 22, 2012, 10:22:13 PM
THATS a life mission.

I wish you luck in your noble quest
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 22, 2012, 10:57:29 PM
Other than the Star Wars posters, what other fakes does BradBuried (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Movie-Memorabilia-/196/i.html?_catref=1&_ipg=&_ssn=bradburied&_trksid=p3911.c0.m1538) sell?  I think he's changed his Star Wars listings to clearly state that they "may" be illegal posters:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-ONE-SHEET-ROLLED-STYLE-C-MOVIE-POSTER-1977-/230772755945

ROLLED near mint-mint unused one sheet movie poster, 27"x41", of STAR WARS STYLE C 1977. Some dealers think this is an illegally printed edition from the original plates (along with some Style A and Advance B).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-ROLLED-STYLE-MOVIE-POSTER-1977-/310392741528

ROLLED near mint-mint unused one sheet movie poster, 27"x41", of STAR WARS STYLE A 1977. NSS number 77/21/-0. This is the edition that has the so called hair on Luke's belt. Some dealers think this is an illegally printed edition from the original plates (along with some Style C and Advance B). Nobody seems to know for sure as it has been around for over 25+ years. Sold cheaply as is, mint condition, exact origin unknown but a beautiful piece.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-ADVANCE-ROLLED-STYLE-B-MOVIE-POSTER-1977-/310392741471

ROLLED near mint-mint unused one sheet movie poster, 27"x41", of STAR WARS ADVANCE STYLE B 1977. This is the version that DOES NOT have the GAU lable on it. Some dealers think this is an illegally printed edition from the original plates (along with some Style A and C). Nobody seems to know for sure as it has been around for over 25+ years. Sold cheaply as is, mint condition, exact origin unknown but a beautiful piece.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 22, 2012, 11:08:18 PM
I don't know, I will not buy from him.

The fact that those Star Wars are known fakes that he is selling for $100+ makes him not be trusted at all (He calls those fakes cheap?)... He could say his posters are genuine, but send you a fake instead.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on April 22, 2012, 11:40:09 PM
I thought bradburied and tloce were one and the same, using same pics, etc.
Has anyone bought from bradburied recently and confirmed the return address as different?
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on April 22, 2012, 11:48:09 PM
nah, just buddies.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: ozcinemagic on April 23, 2012, 12:09:57 AM
I don't know, I will not buy from him.

The fact that those Star Wars are known fakes that he is selling for $100+ makes him not be trusted at all (He calls those fakes cheap?)... He could say his posters are genuine, but send you a fake instead.

If they were printed off the original plates then they're not fakes. Restrikes maybe, but not fakes.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on April 23, 2012, 12:20:04 AM
If they were printed off the original plates then they're not fakes. Restrikes maybe, but not fakes.

Well you do have an argument there on the proper terminology.  But really it all comes down to how they are presented in the sale...
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 23, 2012, 12:29:24 AM
If they were printed off the original plates then they're not fakes. Restrikes maybe, but not fakes.

Well I agree on that terminology, but I perceive an illegally printed edition from the original plates as something not truly original.

In my mind they are very good fake counterfeit posters. ;)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: ozcinemagic on April 23, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Well you do have an argument there on the proper terminology.  But really it all comes down to how they are presented in the sale...

He seems to be disclosing the facts??

I'm not sure illegal is right either. Unauthorised is probably more correct.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 23, 2012, 12:34:59 AM
Unauthorised is probably more correct.

Wouldn't unauthorized be an illegal act by company standards?
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on April 23, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
He seems to be disclosing the facts??

I'm not sure illegal is right either. Unauthorised is probably more correct.

Yep - I was not insinuating he wasn't.

And I agree again about the change in terminology to "unauthorised"
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on April 23, 2012, 12:36:30 AM
Wouldn't unauthorized be an illegal act by company standards?

It really depends on how the plates were obtained and, well, a lot of other parts of the circumstances too
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: ozcinemagic on April 23, 2012, 12:46:18 AM
Yep - I was not insinuating he wasn't.

And I agree again about the change in terminology to "unauthorised"

There's probably a market for those posters at the prices he's asking. They're not for serious collectors, but I imagine some people would be happy with them. What's a mint SW off Cinemasterpieces cost?
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on April 23, 2012, 01:03:52 AM

What's a mint SW off Cinemasterpieces cost?

About 10x inflation (maybe more!)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 23, 2012, 06:25:47 AM
Added a new page dedicated to Randy Poling (d/b/a Bradburied on Ebay):

http://moviepostercollectors.com/Bootleg-Seller-bradburied.html
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on April 23, 2012, 06:41:06 AM
Added a new page dedicated to Randy Poling (d/b/a Bradburied on Ebay):

http://moviepostercollectors.com/Bootleg-Seller-bradburied.html

Nice job, counselor.  thumbup
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Bruce on April 23, 2012, 07:01:42 AM
Mel, on your latest page, I am not sure what you were intending to say with this

"(The major consignors will not resell these bootlegs.)"

I think you maybe meant auctions instead of "consignors". In any event, you should revise it to reflect what you do mean.

On the Woodstock, I had not seen your page before. It seems you now agree that it is a more recent poster, as I said from the first time I saw it. You have my strong belief that it is definitely not a 1970 poster, plus MPA Grading agreeing, and on the other side you have the unsupported self-serving statement of the seller, plus the statements of those who bought them from that seller and want them to be "real".

I applaud your efforts, and you can do this hobby a ton of good (and possibly cause eBay to either these guys from selling fakes there, which would be almost inconceivable), but be very very careful to not make an error, or those you profile will seize on it in an attempt to discredit you.

Bruce
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Bruce on April 23, 2012, 07:02:18 AM
P.S. Of course this topic should be pinned, and moved to the very top as well!
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on April 23, 2012, 07:12:40 AM
P.S. Of course this topic should be pinned, and moved to the very top as well!

Agreed and pinned.  thumbup
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Neo on April 23, 2012, 10:15:31 PM
Good work, Mel, and good work pinning this thread, Ted.    thumbup   thumbup
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: archie leach on April 23, 2012, 10:17:12 PM
If we are pinning things, then why not pin the thread linked to MPA as well...
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on April 24, 2012, 11:07:16 AM
If we are pinning things, then why not pin the thread linked to MPA as well...

Good point, Leach.  Pinned.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 24, 2012, 09:06:39 PM
It would be nice to have a list of Ebay sellers names that are selling reprints/reproductions without divulging that information.

Like this guy - http://www.ebay.com/itm/PIRATES-OF-THE-CARIBBEAN-MOVIE-POSTER-REGULAR-/110703816514?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c6762f42#ht_2276wt_1165

movieposterusa

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Episode-IV-Style-Movie-Poster-27x40-/400292604155?pt=Art_Posters&hash=item5d334c68fb#ht_1322wt_1141

poster-art-house

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on April 25, 2012, 11:06:08 AM
It would be nice to have a list of Ebay sellers names that are selling reprints/reproductions without divulging that information.

Like this guy - http://www.ebay.com/itm/PIRATES-OF-THE-CARIBBEAN-MOVIE-POSTER-REGULAR-/110703816514?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c6762f42#ht_2276wt_1165

movieposterusa

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Episode-IV-Style-Movie-Poster-27x40-/400292604155?pt=Art_Posters&hash=item5d334c68fb#ht_1322wt_1141

poster-art-house



Good idea, Mike.  But these two guys do mention that they are repros.
Check 'em both, top to bottom.
 cheers
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 25, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Good idea, Mike.  But these two guys do mention that they are repros.
Check 'em both, top to bottom.
 cheers


I must be lost... I can't find that mention of Repros in the title, or the item description.

I must be looking at the wrong place. :-[
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: jayn_j on April 25, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I must be lost... I can't find that mention of Repros in the title, or the item description.

I must be looking at the wrong place. :-[

The poster art description:
Quote
New in plastic sleeve. All movie posters are single sided and are reproductions unless stated otherwise. Size may vary up to 1/2" in length and or width.

Movieposterusa: is listed in the category "reproductions"
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 25, 2012, 03:32:26 PM
The poster art description:
Movieposterusa: is listed in the category "reproductions"


I find that a bit sneaky, and purposely withheld from the title, or the item description.... I search Titles, not their locations.

Look at how many they have sold... I doubt as many people would have bought if they knew they were reproductions.

 
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: jayn_j on April 25, 2012, 04:08:51 PM
I find that a bit sneaky, and purposely withheld from the title, or the item description.... I search Titles, not their locations.

Look at how many they have sold... I doubt as many people would have bought if they knew they were reproductions.

Then you aren't paying attention.  The classification is right there at the top of the listing, above even the title of the listing.  If you don't want to see them in your search results, simply go to entertainment memorabilia/posters/us-originals before doing the search.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Mikewarrior on April 25, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
Then you aren't paying attention.  The classification is right there at the top of the listing, above even the title of the listing.

Yeah, well i'm fairly new to Ebay  ;)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 25, 2012, 08:39:22 PM
The problem with Loce is that his pictures of his originals are as pathetic as his pictures of his fakes.  This Two Towers looks fake as hell but it's obviously not - zero chance there are double-sided copies of this floating around:

(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/TwoTowers.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Zorba on April 28, 2012, 10:13:43 AM
Bradburied. I posted most of this in another thread a while back.

I have a newbie friend who I am 95-99% sure bought a fake DSided 09' Star Trek from him before I had a chance to warn.
When he told me who he bought it from, I had him measure the poster and it came up short. So naturally with the guys rep we began to fear a fake.

He then bought a second poster from a different source that measured the full 40", had a lighter shade on the reverse side and had crisper text. Oh yeah and some of the text was a different color also.



A fake double sided 09' Star Trek ? Really? Yes really. Well probably.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: wonka on April 28, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
Not sure what happened to Randy/Bradburied or in all honesty, how much he honestly knows/cares about what he has that is fake or not.

What I do know for a fact is that he was one of the major players in buying all papers from the closing NSS facility in Cleveland. He had unused rolls and rolls of original Jaws, SW, 007, etc...stuff you usually find folded.

Not vouching for him and fakes he may have, but the guy has or had one of the biggest hauls in NSS closings in history to an extent.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 28, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Not sure what happened to Randy/Bradburied or in all honesty, how much he honestly knows/cares about what he has that is fake or not.

What I do know for a fact is that he was one of the major players in buying all papers from the closing NSS facility in Cleveland. He had unused rolls and rolls of original Jaws, SW, 007, etc...stuff you usually find folded.

Not vouching for him and fakes he may have, but the guy has or had one of the biggest hauls in NSS closings in history to an extent.

I agree, which I why I only show his bootlegs.  I'm not specifically aware of any digital repros he's selling. In fact, he's selling very few post-2000 posters.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Zorba on April 28, 2012, 12:06:18 PM
I understand.

I was just pointing out that he has probably sold at least one very modern double sided bootleg. A poster that would seem has no reason to be bootlegged...
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 28, 2012, 12:17:54 PM
I understand.

I was just pointing out that he has probably sold at least one very modern double sided bootleg. A poster that would seem has no reason to be bootlegged...

Are you confusing him with Tloce?  Bradburied is currently not selling any post-2000 original posters.

Bradburied does sell 250 or so repros in the reproduction section, (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Reproductions-/25469/i.html?_catref=1&_ipg=&_ssn=bradburied&_trksid=p3286.c0.m1538) which is acceptable.


Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Zorba on April 28, 2012, 12:20:51 PM
No, it was Bradburied and over a year ago.

If it was Loce , I wouldnt have even bothered suggesting a second copy for comparison.  :P

EDIT: In all fairness. Using the 100% archie rule,  I cannot be 100% sure of who the seller was cause I was not the buyer and I was not there when he bought the first copy.  Bradburied  is the name my friend gave me when he showed me that poster.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Zorba on April 28, 2012, 12:48:18 PM
Bradburied is currently not selling any post-2000 original posters.

Not exactly correct. He just lists them wrong as he has this in the 90-99 section.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sgahP75OhN4/T5we_c34_RI/AAAAAAAAEnw/zaXEFW1JdQ8/s1280/Fullscreen%2520capture%25204282012%2520114615%2520AM.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: erik1925 on May 01, 2012, 09:48:58 PM
Not sure what happened to Randy/Bradburied or in all honesty, how much he honestly knows/cares about what he has that is fake or not.

What I do know for a fact is that he was one of the major players in buying all papers from the closing NSS facility in Cleveland. He had unused rolls and rolls of original Jaws, SW, 007, etc...stuff you usually find folded.

Not vouching for him and fakes he may have, but the guy has or had one of the biggest hauls in NSS closings in history to an extent.

Ben,

Randy certainly explains it all, doesnt he?  Just like Egbert, but not quite as wordy (and his CAP key isnt stuck on, either)  ;):

(A FEW FACTS TO HELP EXPLAIN WHY I HAVE SO MANY MINT ROLLED ORIGINAL MOVIE POSTERS FROM THE 1970’S & 1980’S & 90’s (& folded one sheets, LC sets etc.) 1. I HAD A LARGE MOVIE POSTER COLLECTORS STORE IN CLEVELAND OHIO FOR 18 YEARS OPENING IN 1978. 2. UP UNTIL 1992 MOST TITLES WERE PRINTED AT THE CLEVELAND NSS PLANT 3. I WAS A RETAILER AND MAJOR WHOLESALER FOR 20+ YEARS INCLUDING THE MAIN VOLUME DISTRIBUTOR FOR ALL OF KILIAN ENTERPRISES PROJECTS APROX. 25+ POSTERS, MOST LICENSED FROM LUCASFILMS. 4. MANY PREMO TITLES I SQUIRRELED AWAY, ROLLED WHENEVER POSSIBLE, FOR SALE AFTER I SOLD MY STORE (which I did in 1996), (Of course never dreaming of something as far reaching as eBay.) 4. HAD MANY DIRECT FROM STUDIO MASS QUANTITY PURCHASES 1982-1996. 5. IN 1986 I PURCHASED A VERY LARGE % OF THE NSS WAREHOUSE WHEN IT CLOSED & MADE A MAJOR TRADE WITH THE GUY WHO BOUGHT MOST OF THE CHICAGO NSS WAREHOUSE. 6. ALSO HUNDREDS OF SHOWS & HUNDREDS OF QUANTITY TRADES WITH MAJOR DEALERS. HOPE THIS HELPS ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS particularly about authenticity and the wow this seems too good to believe remark)

Thanks, Randy
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CJ138 on May 02, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Check out ebay seller gorestoreny

http://stores.ebay.com/GoreStoreNY?_trksid=p4340.l2563
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: erik1925 on May 03, 2012, 12:36:15 AM
Looks like he sells advertised, cheap repros?

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CJ138 on May 03, 2012, 10:19:30 AM
Yea, he is not being dishonest or misrepresenting them as original, I guess I just see them as bootlegs.  Particularly when you scan and print limited edition runs of other companies prints like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLTERGEIST-Movie-Poster-Horror-Paranormal-Activity-Speilberg-Hooper-Ghosts-/320824220862?pt=Art_Posters&var=&hash=item4ab29d1cbe
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: ddilts399 on May 03, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
There was another joint, Z something, that was buying originals, scanning for 27x40 prints, then selling the originals back off.

I think repro's have their place as long as not trying to fool anyone.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: jayn_j on May 03, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
There was another joint, Z something, that was buying originals, scanning for 27x40 prints, then selling the originals back off.

I think repro's have their place as long as not trying to fool anyone.

Agreed.  There is a group over at AVSForums that are scanning posters and having them printed on fabric so they can make sound absorbing panels that look like posters.  They get good results, and I have no issues as long as they have the backup poster.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 03, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
Unless the copyright owner (Mondo most likely) has licensed repros of that Poltergeist print, they are illegal repros. It is 100% irrelevant whether that seller owns a physical legal copy of that poster. I don't know where you're coming up with the "backup" copy concept.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: jayn_j on May 03, 2012, 02:52:01 PM
I guess I didn't realize we were discussing a Mondo.  The AVS folks are mostly doing theatrical wide release stuff.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Posterodyssey on May 09, 2012, 02:03:52 AM
Add "rokmodataol' to the list.Rick,has been known to delve in minty whites.

Loce,does have another ebay id.Either his or his buddy,Ed's.I can't recall what it is.I'm thinking 'king of posters' for some reason.I can't say for sure.Have to research that somehow.

Anthony
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on May 09, 2012, 02:08:49 AM
yeah thats loce, or was.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 09, 2012, 08:16:20 AM
Thanks for the reminder. I'll induct Rick Toler into the HOS soon....

RICK TOLER,
RICKS HOLLYWOOD,
2301 CORNERSTONE AVE,
CLAREMORE, OK 74017,
EBAY ID: ROKMODATAOL,
918-341-RICK (7425)

Here are his fake Star Wars listings:

Style B:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-STAR-WARS-Style-B-Advance-Style-C-/160162869851

I bet all these inserts are fake (although I don't buy inserts):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Original-STAR-WARS-Movie-Theater-Posters-/400149564848

Fake Spiderman:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orig-2002-SPIDERMAN-Recalled-Twin-Towers-Advance-D-S-/400114878447

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on May 09, 2012, 08:20:35 AM
Ed Richter, Rick Toler, Tom Loce and Randy (?) aka Brabdburied were called the Famous Four. I think the Canadian Poster Terrorists invented the term.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on May 09, 2012, 10:17:48 AM
Ed Richter, Rick Toler, Tom Loce and Randy (?) aka Brabdburied were called the Famous Four. I think the Canadian Poster Terrorists invented the term.

We're so witty with our terms
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Der Januskopf on May 09, 2012, 02:08:09 PM
Based on all the posts, commentary from other members such as Thierry, why has the name of Greg Egbert not been included on this hall of shame listing. One only has to read posts here, on MPF or NSFGE to realize that this guy has dealt in questionable material, and burned customers, as well.

Only seems to make sense that his name should also be included.



Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on May 09, 2012, 02:26:03 PM
Based on all the posts, commentary from other members such as Thierry, why has the name of Greg Egbert not been included on this hall of shame listing. One only has to read posts here, on MPF or NSFGE to realize that this guy has dealt in questionable material, and burned customers, as well.

Only seems to make sense that his name should also be included.





I THINK IT MIGHT BE DUE TO THE FACT SOME OF US CAN'T HANDLE ANOTHER ALL CAPITALS DIATRIBE IN RESPONSE ;)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on May 09, 2012, 09:19:03 PM
STUFFED IF I KNOW. TO BE HONEST I DONT KNOW IF HE SELLS FAKES OR NOT BUT I MIGHT SUE YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHO I AM AND NOW I AM ANGRY WHY DONT YOU GET A LIFE AND THEN I CAN STOP SHOUTING BECAUSE MY THROAT IS GETTING SORE.

 ;)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on May 09, 2012, 11:23:49 PM
STUFFED IF I KNOW. TO BE HONEST I DONT KNOW IF HE SELLS FAKES OR NOT BUT I MIGHT SUE YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHO I AM AND NOW I AM ANGRY WHY DONT YOU GET A LIFE AND THEN I CAN STOP SHOUTING BECAUSE MY THROAT IS GETTING SORE.

 ;)

EXACTLY
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2012, 11:31:26 PM
Canadian Poster Terrorists

A group that was misunderstood.

They were rebels...they went up against all odds...and found a voice after so many battles...they live now...only in my memories...


;0)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 19, 2012, 10:53:27 AM
IMO Egbert does not belong in the Hall of Shame. He sells a few questionable posters like the Friday the 13th fan club restrike but those issues are adequately disclosed.  He's not like Tom Loce, who sells crappy repros as originals to newbies who don't know any better. 

Also, Egbert consigns to EmoviePoster.com, so many of you are indirectly buying his stuff, often for much more than you could buy it from him directly.  He also supplies - or has supplied - other well-known dealers. 

(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Egbert.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Bruce on May 19, 2012, 11:19:01 AM
He HAS consigned posters to us, and they were all fine. Of course if he had sent us any repros we would have returned them to him.

He only consigned two of the Dark Knight poster. We keep getting it from many different consignors as well, which is why it is in every auction of rolled posters. Rare, it ain't (like many other modern posters).

Bruce

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Zorba on May 19, 2012, 06:10:49 PM
Rare, it ain't (like many other modern posters).

Bruce

Good for you Bruce.

Wish some other "beloved" sellers would stop telling us how rare they are.



Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: erik1925 on May 19, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
Good for you Bruce.

Wish some other "beloved" sellers would stop telling us how rare they are.





 clap clap clap
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Posterodyssey on May 22, 2012, 09:39:46 PM
IMO Egbert does not belong in the Hall of Shame. He sells a few questionable posters like the Friday the 13th fan club restrike but those issues are adequately disclosed.  He's not like Tom Loce, who sells crappy repros as originals to newbies who don't know any better. 

Also, Egbert consigns to EmoviePoster.com, so many of you are indirectly buying his stuff, often for much more than you could buy it from him directly.  He also supplies - or has supplied - other well-known dealers.


There was a time when they weren't so adequately described,Mel.

Anthony
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 26, 2012, 09:47:23 AM
I've had one conversation with Egbert.  I called him up a couple of years ago about some poster I had bought from him and he talked non-stop "stream-of-consciousness style" for 45 minutes about everything under the sun.  He admitted most of his posters were "junk," said that he had a high overhead and was losing money, how certain poster distributors were too expensive nowadays and he couldn't get posters from them anymore, etc.

One story I distinctly recall is that he started talking about Lord of the Rings and how certain LOTR actors were angry because they saw LOTR posters being sold on Ebay and wanted a cut of that money.  Who knows if that's true?  But he also said he hired homeless people to repair LOTR posters that the studio had thrown out. I guess it's true - just saw this today on Ebay (with his usual stream-of-consciousness gibberish writing):


(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/LOTF.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on May 26, 2012, 11:01:22 AM
I made the mistake of buying one of those 'repaired' LOTR posters back in the day.
That explains why it stank of muscatel.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on June 01, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
Added Rick Toler D/B/A Rokmodatao (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Bootleg-Seller-rokmodataol.html)l to the MPC Fake Sellers Hall of Shame. (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake_Sellers.html)  

My favorite - what a comical lie - "I have taken them from theaters world wide...."

(http://moviepostercollectors.com/Bootleg-Seller-rokmodataol_files/Toler-lie.jpg)

Praise for the Professor!

(http://moviepostercollectors.com/Bootleg-Seller-rokmodataol_files/B-fake.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Zorba on June 01, 2012, 07:45:35 PM
Added Rick Toler D/B/A Rokmodatao (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Bootleg-Seller-rokmodataol.html)l to the MPC Fake Sellers Hall of Shame. (http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake_Sellers.html)  

His induction is very well earned.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on June 02, 2012, 12:18:54 AM
That little blurb on the blue Star Wars is classic!  Thanks for the chuckle Mel...
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Posterodyssey on June 04, 2012, 10:11:56 PM
Add "rokmodataol' to the list.Rick,has been known to delve in minty whites.

Loce,does have another ebay id.Either his or his buddy,Ed's.I can't recall what it is.I'm thinking 'king of posters' for some reason.I can't say for sure.Have to research that somehow.

Anthony


ahhh,now I know why I thought that.'King of posters' is Loce's ebay store.

Anthony
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 04:17:07 PM
Got a message from my favorite copyright criminal:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Subject: Hall of Shame
To: administrator@moviepostercollectors.com


Hi Mel ,
          I just wanted to drop you a line thanking you for putting me first on your hall of shame . I always strive to be #1 at anything I do . Please let me know if you would like a photo to go along with it so people can cross the street when they see me coming in person .
         May the Lord smile on you each & every day .
Sincerely ,
Thomas Loce
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 04:48:59 PM
And another one from Bradburied:

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Randy Poling <bradburied@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sirs,   

Please remove my name from you Hall of Shame for fake movie poster sellers.  I help many buyers every year tell the difference between real and reprint posters.  It can be tough over the last 20 years but nobody knows the ones better than me from 70's and 80's.  Have I sold a couple from the past 20 years as original that are not, probably, but not on purpose, and always a refund id I found out or returned.

You have no right to put my name in big print without knowing me at all.  It appears it is just only for the reason that I have the Star Wars A and Star Wars C reprint of still to this day unknown  (hair and all)  origin that no one is sure of.   I state this in the listing, exactly what they are, a nice poster probably from original plates with no guarantees, and they are nice looking posters and priced accordingly and many people are happy with this.  Pretty fair I would say. NO WHERE IN MY LISTING OR DESCRIPTION DO I SAY THEY ARE ORIGINAL.AS STATED BY YOU. your listing  I cut and pasted below.  Please be fair and remove this. slanderous listing.

This is our family full time business and only source of income and we try our best.

Sincerely,  Randy Poling
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on July 02, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
I hope you will leave them both in the Hall Mel.

And as for Loce ask him for a Professor Powers signed photo to really enshrine him in the Hall!
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 06:57:41 PM
My response to Loce:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>

For a copyright criminal and a fraud, you're a funny guy Tom.

You're a criminal under the federal copyright law because you annually sell more than $1,000 of unauthorized copies of copyrighted movie posters:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#506

The penalty for each infringing fake sale ranges up to $150,000:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#504

Cross your fingers the copyright owners don't get wind of your shenanigans.  Perhaps you're aware that Disney and Fox sued MovieGoods for the same copyright fraud you're been perpetrating.

You've also been violating the NY Deceptive Trade Practices Act:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/GBS/22-A/349

Cross your fingers your customers don't start a class action against you for fraud.

Just out of curiosity, who prints all that fake junk you sell?  Do you take the digital images down to Kinko's or do you have suppliers?

P.S. I'm publishing your emails on the forums:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4170.0.html
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 07:24:36 PM
My response to Bradburied:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame listing not warranted
To: Randy Poling <bradburied@gmail.com>

Slander is a malicious, false, and defamatory statement.

Every word on the MPC Hall of Shame is absolutely true and not slanderous.

You falsely claim the origin of the Star Wars posters is "unknown."

There is no question they are unauthorized bootlegs.   

Pete Vilmer, the author of The Star Wars Poster Book, an employee of Lucasfilm, and perhaps the world's foremost expert on Star Wars posters, says they are "misleading bootlegs" and are part of the "dark side" of the hobby.  See page 289 of the Star Wars Poster Book.

I clearly state on MPC that "most" of your posters are original.  I'll certainly consider dropping you from the Hall of Shame if and when you stop selling bootlegs as originals.

P.S. I'm publishing your email and my response:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4170.msg83283.html

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on July 02, 2012, 08:16:56 PM
Your site was recently mentioned in MoPo so I guess you stirred the hornet's nest.  thumbup

Congrats on your continued efforts to remove or at the least, alert, collectors and interested parties in this hobby to the unscrupulous traders that unfortunately continue to exist within.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
Loce goin' loco!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>

Since we’re all about disclosure , would you be a peach and let myself & the forum know your law office’s address & phone # . I’d love to whisper my secrets to you in person .  By the way that is a lovely picture of you in front of the Hall of Justice . You cut a dashing figure when your fighting  crime . I’m getting all warm just thinking about it .
Are you doing anything after work tonight . How about getting together for a few drinks?
I’m really quite surprised you have all this time on your hands being a lawyer and all . I guess that’s just how special you are , you fuzzy wuzzy bear you . You’re #1 fan – Tom Loce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>

By the way – What exactly are your credentials as a movie poster authenticator ?
How many years have you been in the business ?
How many studio reps do you have contact with ?
Are there any hard cold facts about fake posters you can tell me that are backed up by actual studio representatives and not just based on conjecture ?
Please be very specific and feel free to add any other information you may have to back up your website . As we all know anyone can put together a website . What makes you’re the real deal ?
I have a feeling this one won’t end up on the forum.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CJ138 on July 02, 2012, 08:28:54 PM
Your reply should be:

Dear Tom:
"I do not take shit from a man who sports a ponytail."
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on July 02, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
Just noticed his email addy. I guess Time Warner continue not to care about who they are associated with or to.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 08:50:41 PM
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>

Tom, all your emails have gone up on MPC and the forum. As pleasant a chap as you are, I'm afraid I'll have to insist that we continue this conversation in public.  Please feel free to join APF by following these instructions:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg38228.html#msg38228

I'm sure we'd all love to hear where and how you get your endless supply of comically-fake single-sided posters with lots of fuzzy text and printed on erratically-cropped luster paper (just like you find at your local Kinko's, what a shock!) 

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on July 02, 2012, 09:16:39 PM
(http://www.hummingcrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gentlemen.gif)

"You mean, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll try and kill each other like civilized people?"

Still think you need to go back to the Dread Pirate avatar, Mel.
Much more fitting for your ongoing endeavors.

BTW, I am in Rochester 2-3 times a week if you need me to pick anything up.
 cheers
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on July 02, 2012, 09:20:02 PM
This is shaping up to be a fun episode!   pcorn
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Zorba on July 02, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
This is shaping up to be a fun episode!   pcorn

+1
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 09:30:19 PM
He will never show up here. He's a pariah on these boards and nobody here will buy from him, so why would he? He stays in business primarily from fleecing newbies who don't join these forums (or even know they exist).
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 02, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
Here's a link to Loce's lawsuit against Time Warner (http://federal-circuits.vlex.com/vid/loce-richter-shame-entertainment-38261939).

The guy is totally first class.  Read this section from the opinion:

B. The Rejected LWS Programs

In 1997, LWS [LIFE WITHOUT SHAME, Loce's company] submitted to Time Warner three episodes of "Life Without Shame," whose rejection by Time Warner prompted the present lawsuit. In January 1997, LWS submitted to TW Syracuse an episode entitled "The Best of Lookers." The program was filmed at a Syracuse adult club called "Lookers" and contained, inter alia, scenes of women dancing topless, fondling their breasts, pressing their breasts against customers' faces, or simulating acts of sex and masturbation. The episode also contained advertisements for various other nude and topless dance clubs in Syracuse, as well as advertisements for an "escort service" promising "we make house and hotel calls." One or more of the commercials showed women topless, contained lines such as "Bring your hard dicks down here," and depicted a topless woman performing a "lap dance" on Richter.

Several officials of TW Syracuse, including the division's president, reviewed "The Best of Lookers" and concluded that the program was indecent within the meaning of Time Warner's Indecency Policy. TW Syracuse notified plaintiffs that the episode violated the Policy and would not be transmitted. The letter also stated that, pursuant to the suspension provisions, plaintiffs would be prohibited from submitting new material to TW Syracuse for six months.

In February 1997, plaintiffs, no longer able to submit programs to TW Syracuse, submitted to TW Rochester a program entitled "A Tribute to Violence." The program contained numerous real-life scenes of violence and brutality, such as a man being devoured by lions, with his family watching helplessly, and a man committing suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. The episode also contained excerpts from graphically violent motion pictures, such as a Kung Fu scene in which a man with no arms fights a man with no legs, and a scene from a film called "The Gore Gore Girls" in which a man approaches a woman from behind, slits her throat, bends her torso over a table, and beats her buttocks with a meat tenderizer until they are covered with blood. Neither the "A Tribute to Violence" episode nor its accompanying advertisements showed women topless; on the tape, Richter and Loce, seeking to emphasize to their intended audience that Time Warner aired shows depicting carnage and violence but refused to show naked breasts, announced that their purpose was to present a show that was deeply offensive but that did not violate the Indecency Policy because it was free of sexual content.

Despite the latter characterization, the "A Tribute to Violence" tape contained advertisements for adult clubs depicting scantily-clad women and for an escort service; and some of the program content was accompanied by remarks by Loce and Richter having obviously lewd or sexual overtones. For example, the scene depicting the fight between amputees was accompanied by the following exchange between the narrators:

LOCE: We always know you have a thing for amputees.

RICHTER: Oh, amputees are the best. Until you've gone with an amputee, you haven't gone.

LOCE: And you have gone quite far. Right?

RICHTER: With some good women. You know, like I said on a previous show, you know, you don't have to hold the legs back.

And in the scene from "The Gore Gore Girls," the woman whose throat is cut is clad in a partially see-through bikini; her bloodied buttocks are shown; and as she is bent over a table, Loce and Richter, in their narrative, agree that that is their "favorite position of a woman."
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on July 03, 2012, 12:11:35 AM
BTW, I am in Rochester 2-3 times a week if you need me to pick anything up.


He'll know my poster truck when he sees it coming...

(http://www.chevroletpedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/jeeperscreepers2.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Posterodyssey on July 04, 2012, 01:40:08 AM
Tom,if you eventually can't resist and make your way on here,if you could please bring me a Charlie burger or one from the Char Pit, I would be in your debt.Just seriously craving this stuff and the burger joints around here blow.A garbage plate isn't out of the question either.

Thanks,
Anthony
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 04, 2012, 08:55:36 AM
Will miracles never cease ?  So Loce has a website tloceposters.com with pictures of all his wares .  AMAZINGLY, Loce just happens to have ENDLESS STACKS OF MINTY WHITE COPIES of the most popular posters !  

Here's my favorite (yes, he actually entitled this page "This is page 2, suckers!" (http://tloceposters.com/page2.htm) - you can't make this stuff up!):


(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/Tloce/Tloce-screens6.jpg)


It just goes on and on and on:


(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/Tloce/Tloce-screens-1.jpg)

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/Tloce/Tloce-screens-2.jpg)

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/Tloce/Tloce-screens-3.jpg)

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/Tloce/Tloce-screens-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CSM on July 04, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Those look like all the minty white inserts
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Posterodyssey on July 05, 2012, 04:43:20 PM
Yes Mel,he's had them and been selling them for decades.Mostly inserts.That's why he's not such a cool seller.

Anthony
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on July 05, 2012, 08:15:57 PM
Here's a link to Loce's lawsuit against Time Warner (http://federal-circuits.vlex.com/vid/loce-richter-shame-entertainment-38261939).

The guy is totally first class.  Read this section from the opinion:


I'd read this last week, there's more on this and other similar stuff. The poster issue is one thing, this is another altogether - the guys makes me sick to my stomach. Given his advancing years I hope he has made peace with himself because there is very few if any that will feel much sympathy for his passing.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: holiday on July 23, 2012, 12:30:55 AM
Hysterical!  Can you imagine how odd it must be to "host" a show where you share your fantasies about the strippers you interviewing.  There must be a diagnosis to go along with that.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: holiday on July 23, 2012, 12:43:49 AM
He will never show up here. He's a pariah on these boards and nobody here will buy from him, so why would he? He stays in business primarily from fleecing newbies who don't join these forums (or even know they exist).

I always welcome him, Gregg, and the others.  Tom's email correspondence with you is actually pretty funny.   Quite a difference from what you would get from the Egghead!  

I've bought from Tom and Gregg before.  I've also bought from Bradburried. If you're smart, and careful, they all have some good stuff to offer from time to time.  But, I do agree with Mel's assessment that if they are selling even one poster that's a fake, that makes them worthy of the Hall of Shame.

Someone once told me that if you steal 10% of the time and are honest the other 90% of the time - you're still a thief.  I don't think any of them get that.  Selling 1000 perfectly legitimate posters is overshadowed by selling a single fake with knowledge that it's a fake or that its authenticity is seriously questioned.  

What's really interesting is that they even care that Mel has them listed.  I have to hand it to Mel - he's done quite a job of positioning himself as a player in the hobby.  I'm glad he's with the Forces of Light!
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on July 23, 2012, 02:20:50 AM
I always welcome him, Gregg, and the others.  

I don't get that statement one bit, nor can I agree with it.

These are people who knowingly rip off collectors by (continuing to) sell fakes, that you would welcome them on to these boards essentially means you find their actions as acceptable on some level. People like that should be drummed out not welcomed in. This may be an uncensored board but one would have thought you would draw the line at illegal activity.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on July 23, 2012, 02:40:45 AM
because its fun to argue with them (I assume)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on July 23, 2012, 03:11:48 AM
It's fun to argue with honest people too.

Arguing with dishonest people doesn't achieve anything, look at the correspondence between Loce and Mel. Loce could care less, he thrives on being in the spotlight. Allowing them in here so they can say (for instance) "I am also a member of one of the biggest poster forums in world" just helps their cause.

Not taking responsibility to try to clean up the hobby (as Mel is attempting for instance) because a few people want to have 'fun arguing' is not fair on those who new people who might just want to join this hobby in the future.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: ozcinemagic on July 23, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
It's fun to argue with honest people too.

Arguing with dishonest people doesn't achieve anything, look at the correspondence between Loce and Mel. Loce could care less, he thrives on being in the spotlight. Allowing them in here so they can say (for instance) "I am also a member of one of the biggest poster forums in world" just helps their cause.

Not taking responsibility to try to clean up the hobby (as Mel is attempting for instance) because a few people want to have 'fun arguing' is not fair on those who new people who might just want to join this hobby in the future.

There's a Woolworths in every town. They rip me off every time I walk in!
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: holiday on July 23, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
I don't get that statement one bit, nor can I agree with it.

These are people who knowingly rip off collectors by (continuing to) sell fakes, that you would welcome them on to these boards essentially means you find their actions as acceptable on some level. People like that should be drummed out not welcomed in. This may be an uncensored board but one would have thought you would draw the line at illegal activity.

I welcome the discourse.  I don't abide by what they do, but we're not communists here and even the bad guys get to speak and we get to speak back.  The day that's not accepted behavior is the day that Thierry and I shut this place down.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: stewart boyle on July 23, 2012, 03:07:11 PM
Very well put.

Stew
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on July 23, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
I welcome the discourse.  I don't abide by what they do, but we're not communists here and even the bad guys get to speak and we get to speak back.  The day that's not accepted behavior is the day that Thierry and I shut this place down.

All you are doing is hiding behind the free speech thing. Illegal is illegal, if you welcome it just for the sake of poking fun at it for your own amusement then that's not taking a stand on the behalf of all those who may be hurt by their actions, that's simply condoning it.

Society in general takes action against those who actively participate in illegal activity but you would consider that to be communist behaviour? People who don't take a stand because it might rock the boat or be anti 'the rights of others' need to really take into consideration how those rights they have so righteously granted may in fact affect others.

If you held a party at your place would you not take the keys off a drunk so they could not drive and did not possibly hurt someone else by their act of driving? Is that the act of a communist or of someone who looks at the bigger picture?
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 23, 2012, 07:00:42 PM
I agree with Holiday that they should be allowed to join and say their piece.  

As a practical matter, they won't for a variety of reasons:

First and foremost, they think we're irrelevant. Their Ebay feedback rating is their core asset, which allows them to fleece newbies who never visit forums.

Second, they have nothing to gain, since most high-level collectors have made up their minds about them and won't buy posters from them.

Loce only noticed me because Bruce referenced me in his weekly newsletter and somebody on MOPO wrote about that article.

However, I'm sure they're surprised I'm not intimidated by their amateur litigation threats. They would be destroyed in court by any competent lawyer, of course.  First thing you do is request all their purchase records from poster distributors and the game's over.  Loce creates - and probably prints - most of his posters from images from MPDB and has no purchase records.  

They've succeeded in intimidating everybody else to date because it would cost a non-lawyer thousands of dollars to defend against a defamation lawsuit. Not an issue with me.

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Silhouette on July 23, 2012, 07:31:52 PM
The reasons he won't come in here are irrelevant, people don't want to hear what he has to say they just want to line up and take verbal pot shots at the guy which will add no value to this hobby one bit. What he does is illegal, why pander to him and his inflated ego?

In Loce's case he is the lowest of the low, sit down in front of the computer and read this http://rochesternow.org/lwsfaq.html (http://rochesternow.org/lwsfaq.html) with your wife or daughter sitting alongside and say it's OK to let him speak. You'll not change him nor deter him by having him in here and I would also certainly think it would be an insult to the honest traders who are also members of this forum.

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on July 23, 2012, 08:56:33 PM
The reasons he won't come in here are irrelevant, people don't want to hear what he has to say they just want to line up and take verbal pot shots at the guy which will add no value to this hobby one bit. What he does is illegal, why pander to him and his inflated ego?

In Loce's case he is the lowest of the low, sit down in front of the computer and read this http://rochesternow.org/lwsfaq.html (http://rochesternow.org/lwsfaq.html) with your wife or daughter sitting alongside and say it's OK to let him speak. You'll not change him nor deter him by having him in here and I would also certainly think it would be an insult to the honest traders who are also members of this forum.



I agree with David.
But the argument is moot.
None of them have the balls to post here and never will.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: ozcinemagic on July 23, 2012, 09:20:58 PM
The seller/dealer vs collector ratio is pretty lopsided here. In general there is a fair amount of negative sentiment in the direction of sellers, I find. Be good to see it more balanced, regardless of reputations & hearsay evidence.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: jayn_j on July 24, 2012, 09:33:50 AM
The seller/dealer vs collector ratio is pretty lopsided here. In general there is a fair amount of negative sentiment in the direction of sellers, I find. Be good to see it more balanced, regardless of reputations & hearsay evidence.

Actually, I think it is pretty balanced.  However, every dealer except Rich and to some extent Bruce only contribute to... well, sell.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Bruce on July 24, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Not true about me! I have no time for discussing politics or life in general here, so I don't participate in those threads.

But whenever I see a question I can help on, I wait to see if anyone posts an answer (so I can't be accused of doing it to promote my auctions) and if no one does, I answer.

I only post stuff about my auctions in the for sale or dealer's forum areas, so I should never be promoting my auctions to people who don't want to see those posts.

Also, I don't suddenly start posting as I have auctions to promote, and then vanish again, as some do!
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on July 24, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Actually, I think it is pretty balanced.  However, every dealer except Rich and to some extent Bruce only contribute to... well, sell.

Sean also
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: ozcinemagic on July 24, 2012, 08:51:22 PM
I suppose Mopo is where the dealers congregate. Nice to hear a variety of viewpoints though.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: benji864 on September 08, 2013, 05:13:33 PM
Hello

What do you think Movie Poster ? They sells the fake or original
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: rdavey26 on September 08, 2013, 06:11:18 PM
 welcome1 benji. There are a lot of fake posters out there in this hobby. The sellers will sell the fakes to make a profit. It would not make sense for them to sell the original. Why would they want to get rid of the poster that has value to it when the fakes are garbage. I hope that answers your question.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: brude on September 08, 2013, 08:20:55 PM
Hello

What do you think Movie Poster ? They sells the fake or original

Welcome benji.
Which 'Movie Poster' do you mean?
There are many with the words 'movie poster' in their name.

Maybe you can post a link?
 cheers

Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: rdavey26 on September 08, 2013, 08:45:43 PM
Welcome benji.
Which 'Movie Poster' do you mean?
There are many with the words 'movie poster' in their name.

Maybe you can post a link?
 cheers


His post had me a little confused as well. That is why I just posted what I did lol.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CJ138 on September 09, 2013, 07:24:18 PM
movieposter.com?
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 21, 2014, 07:12:35 AM
I know some other people who need some jail time:

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE3/2014-05/Pastor.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Ari on May 21, 2014, 07:09:51 PM
Benji ROCKS
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: guest4637 on June 26, 2014, 09:56:24 AM
So glad I found this forum. I was THIS CLOSE to buying something from TLOCEposters on EBAY. Now I know better! Thanks! sm1
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: rdavey26 on July 05, 2014, 04:15:46 PM
Glad you did not buy from TLOCE. That guy is a douche bag. All of us collectors are here to help others from making the same mistakes and buying from these types of people.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: gargoyle67 on August 30, 2014, 04:52:44 AM
Any one know if Jomms is legit on ebay ?, I've bought a couple of posters from him, They look right and are the right measurements but he seems to have quite a few.
I bought "First Blood" & "Dawn Of The Dead" from him>
Texts looks ok, I'm waiting on a 40X 25mm Loupe to examine the fine text at the bottom.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIRST-BLOOD-ORIGINAL-U-S-ONE-SHEET-MOVIE-POSTER-SYLVESTER-STALLONE-Rambo-/121405909847

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Firstblood_zpsd0b32041.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Firstblood_zpsd0b32041.jpg.html)(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Dawn_zpsadd6363a.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Dawn_zpsadd6363a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: Simes on August 30, 2014, 05:36:18 AM
Yup - he is fine.

Jerry Ohlinger Movie Memorabilia Store used to exist for years in NYC.  I believe he has gone online only now.

His inventory is just huge.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: gargoyle67 on August 30, 2014, 07:13:07 AM
Ohh thought as much, Thanks for the conformation buddy  thumbsup.gif I'll buy a few more off him as he's willing to lower the price on the duty form also  >:D
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: guest4955 on June 05, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
I deleted the "Fake Movie Poster Sellers" section when I reconstructed MPC.guide.

Here's an archive of it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140513033201/http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake_Sellers.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20140513033201/http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake_Sellers.html)

I've come around to the position of Ed Poole, head of LAMP:

http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/Louisiana/AboutUs.html (http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/Louisiana/AboutUs.html)

Back in the day, I asked him why LAMP did not challenge fake sellers like Loce. He said he knew Loce was a fake seller - had even had conversations with Loce about it - but he believed educating collectors was the best solution.

So with the 50+ authentications on MPC.guide (http://moviepostercollectors.guide/Authentications.html), including links to other sites, I hope to do the same.

(http://www.frostburg.edu/fsu/assets/Image/dept/educ/education_sign_resized.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: CJ138 on June 05, 2017, 06:10:00 PM
Education is a good solution. Maybe Ed was concerned with litigation. Being an attorney and a collector is a pretty solid foundation to challenge someone with.
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: 50s on November 27, 2022, 06:30:40 AM
A poster group on Facebook are looking for people with experience with T Loce and his fakes:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/371081104195154/permalink/814839866485940/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/371081104195154/permalink/814839866485940/)
Title: Re: Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC
Post by: eatbrie on November 28, 2022, 12:30:23 AM
A poster group on Facebook are looking for people with experience with T Loce and his fakes:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/371081104195154/permalink/814839866485940/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/371081104195154/permalink/814839866485940/)

I have in the past, quite some time ago though.  Unfortunately, I never join hidden groups like this.  There are too many people I dislike in this hobby and they could be there.  Life is too short.

T