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Title: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 03, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
Phase 2 - Step 1A: Buying Supplies

So I have taken on the task and the first thing I thought I would share is my supplies list.  I am pretty sure I got everything.  I am missing a de-acidifying agent I am still trying to figure this one out.  I don't think the sprays are where its at. I may have to figure out mixing Magnesium Acetate and Magnesium Carbonate (Dario if your reading help would be great in this area), and I probably ordered a lifting bone I don't need....  So if you want to take it on you'll need at least $500 to do it right.  I ordered bulk and you can order less, but what would be the point.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/order.jpg)

And like Lucas I do have a prequel Phase 1 - Step 1: Building a Washing and Mounting Table  I will start this on Thursday and will snap pics.  I am only building a 48" x 60" table to start, so no three-sheets yet...

So what is next?  

Phase 3 - Step 1A: The 5 Poster Experiment - Pre Restoration Documentation of Condition

I have ten OS of some random 1960s poster and will take five and document their condition.  I will use permanent marker to differentiate the poster pre-backing.  I will then vary the CT and backing techniques and pending the outcome of the first three will also attempt various fixes (tears, paper loss, etc.).

Pulpfixing Out...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: holiday on April 03, 2012, 11:26:02 PM
Well, you have Dario on the board now and he's the expert.  Maybe he'll give you some pointers.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on April 04, 2012, 12:08:25 AM
I don't think the sprays are where its at. I may have to figure out mixing Magnesium Acetate and Magnesium Carbonate

(http://www.real-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/mad_scientist.jpg)

This would be great to watch. Go Charlie!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on April 04, 2012, 01:44:12 AM
How about a you tube video Charlie?   I think this is going to be jollyfine... thumbup  the best of British to you.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: quadbod on April 04, 2012, 04:02:10 AM
Hi, Folks!

Anyone here in the UK fancy setting-up a similar experiment?  I know that one of our clients (who shall remain nameless) was planning a transatlantic trip to get serious training for this procedure, with a view to setting-up an operation in the UK ... and we've not heard from him since ... !   Judging from past experience with various exponents of restoration and linen-backing, those fumes can take their toll!

Looking forward to updates when available.

Best wishes,

Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on April 04, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
Hi Charlie,

The Muslin is not correct, to flimsy. You need to hit the art store and buy a high cotton canvas 12 -13 duck.

No use for Orvus.

The  301 wheat past is pre cooked. You should make your own. Meaning you do the cooking.

There is liquid Wei'to to buy

As far as washing table were you hose or spray mist? well is not really the right way to soak a poster. You Should build a bath were the poster can really relax, soak and get the paper impregnated with IE: CaCO3. Here a picture of a Stainless steal custom made bath that I had made and use.

Best of luck,
dario.

(http://members.shaw.ca/filmposters/ebaylist/bath2.gif)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: ddilts399 on April 04, 2012, 12:30:43 PM
Charlie,

You artistic at all? How far you lookin to take this, a do your own thing, side job, full time switch?

Just curious, I think the long term you really need to have to be able to work a brush/pencil whatever for the restoration side.

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on April 04, 2012, 12:44:08 PM
Dario (and Charlie),

What would the mylar polyester film be needed or used for in the backing process? For supporting a wet poster, when lifting it from the bath?

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 04, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
Charlie,

You artistic at all? How far you lookin to take this, a do your own thing, side job, full time switch?

Just curious, I think the long term you really need to have to be able to work a brush/pencil whatever for the restoration side.



I have no idea how far I am going to take this.  I studied art and am decent. The only barrier to the resto part will be colors as I am color blind but have learn to work around it... I am just trying to get a poster wet right now...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 04, 2012, 12:47:45 PM
Dario (and Charlie),

What would the mylar polyester film be needed or used for in the backing process? For supporting a wet poster, when lifting it from the bath?



Yep.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on April 04, 2012, 12:50:19 PM
A colour blind Artist........ pcorn
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on April 04, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
Yep.

That's what i thought.

Were you able to cancel (or change) that muslin order?  ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 04, 2012, 02:28:53 PM
That's what i thought.

Were you able to cancel (or change) that muslin order?  ;)

Yeah I called and canceled it after I read Dario's post and then at lunch went out and got the No 12 and some Bestine.  They didn't have CaCO3 or Wei t'o though...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 04, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
A colour blind Artist........ pcorn

Yeah, I found out in elementary school when the teacher asked why I colored Santa brown.  My wife is going to help, she's putting up 1/3 or more of the cost out of her discretionary funding... She's not colorblind.  ;)  Plus my sister is actually an artist near Austin mostly in oils though but she could do the real difficult stuff if I take it that far...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 04, 2012, 03:42:42 PM
Hi Charlie,

The Muslin is not correct, to flimsy. You need to hit the art store and buy a high cotton canvas 12 -13 duck.

No use for Orvus.

The  301 wheat past is pre cooked. You should make your own. Meaning you do the cooking.

There is liquid Wei'to to buy

As far as washing table were you hose or spray mist? well is not really the right way to soak a poster. You Should build a bath were the poster can really relax, soak and get the paper impregnated with IE: CaCO3. Here a picture of a Stainless steal custom made bath that I had made and use.

Best of luck,
dario.

(http://members.shaw.ca/filmposters/ebaylist/bath2.gif)

How do you wash larger paper; folded?  I have my old poster box that I can convert into a wash tank but it's ~44" x 30"  so an anything larger than a OS would have to be folded. 

Thanks for the tips...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 04, 2012, 10:06:55 PM
Phase 1 - Step 1: Building a Washing and Mounting Table (Entry 1)

Started on the table tonight versus tomorrow cause the boss wants me to attend some County Judge breakfast on my day off (always happens).  So here is the start of the table.  I also have the box I used to move my posters and will be converting that into a wash pan similar to the one Dario so kindly shared; that I guess will be Phase 1 Step 2...

My scratch design that I did on the way back from heritage...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/011.jpg)

Nine high quality 2x4s from Lowe's

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/010.jpg)

Various intermediate steps:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/008.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/007.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/009.jpg)

Ends complete:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/005.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/006.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/003.jpg)

Tomorrow the top.  I can't complete it outside and bring in; have to finish it in the final place...  Which right now will be next to the bar (my wife has given me the dining room for six months)

Phase 2 Step 1A - Supplies Continued


Here are pics of the Bestine, and lifting knife and the 12oz unprimed cotton duck that Dario recommended...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/002.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/001.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/004.jpg)

Pulpfixin Out...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 04, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
Charlie, this certainly looks like quite the undertaking and I commend you on your resilience!

Looking forward to seeing your set up all finished.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: theartofmovieposters on April 04, 2012, 11:50:00 PM
Charlie, this certainly looks like quite the undertaking and I commend you on your resilience!

Looking forward to seeing your set up all finished.

Here Here..but a colour blind restorer! ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 05, 2012, 12:09:54 AM
Here Here..but a colour blind restorer! ;)

Could make for some very interesting restorative interpretations ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on April 05, 2012, 12:12:52 AM
Hey, I'm colorblind too (really). I have problems distinguishing variations of greens and browns

Can you guys please tell me how the colors on my litho posters really look like  ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 05, 2012, 12:22:53 AM
a couple of times as a silly teenager I tried this stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium

after reading the Carlos Castaneda books. And the hang over changed colours, blues were fluorescent greens etc. Was very strange, and makes me wonder if we actually see the same colours as each other, and if thats why some prefer certain colours (we actually all like the same one, but have different names for it).

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: holiday on April 05, 2012, 01:25:00 AM
Your effort is commendable, Charlie.  What a fun project!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 05, 2012, 01:28:05 AM
WILL EVERYONE SHUT THE FECK UP...

I am taking notes...

 ;D
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 05, 2012, 01:32:01 AM
How do you wash larger paper; folded?  I have my old poster box that I can convert into a wash tank but it's ~44" x 30"  so an anything larger than a OS would have to be folded. 


I know NOTHING about it, but I have a feeling that washing a poster folded might be dangerous.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on April 05, 2012, 06:20:34 AM
Charlie, it is positively frightening how much energy (and raw talent) you have! Do you happen to have a twin brother/sister who would like to move to tiny West Plains Mo and work for a movie poster auction company?

Whether or not this turns out as you hope, you already are to be congratulated! Many talk about it, but you act.

Bruce
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 05, 2012, 07:11:34 AM
Wow guys! It was very nice to wake up to the multiple kudos...  Thanks for the support.

I keep getting the colorblind comment.  My type of color blindness is not a severe as it sounds.  I would almost call it lazy color awareness.  I, at times, if colors (particularly Reds and Greens) are the same saturation/shade can get them mixed up.  But for example if I look at a fire truck or the dress from that blonde in the Matrix it is very much red; no doubt.  Where it gets tricky is say a forest green and a dusty brown right next together without any supporting colors to assist in differentiating them...

I always get the "what color is my shirt?"  I know what color your shirt is but if you go stand next to that brown light post I might get confused...

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 05, 2012, 07:13:37 AM
I know NOTHING about it, but I have a feeling that washing a poster folded might be dangerous.

Well I am sure Dario has an answer but I think if you sandwich it between the two mylar sheets and soft roll them that you can then just submerge the soft roll...the paper would never touch other paper...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on April 05, 2012, 01:55:51 PM
I always get the "what color is my shirt?"  I know what color your shirt is but if you go stand next to that brown light post I might get confused...

what color is my poop???

:-P
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 05, 2012, 02:03:24 PM
what color is my poop???

:-P

Did you just eat Red Hots?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 05, 2012, 02:16:11 PM
what color is my poop???

:-P


I dunno but I heard you think it don't stink
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: teamweapon on April 05, 2012, 06:24:03 PM
AWESOME!
im excited to see how it goes!
i have been thinking about attempting to learn how to linen back myself but could find hardly anything what so ever on the net?
and also couldnt find any courses i could take to learn about the chemistry involved in de acidifying the paper?
if you come up with half decent results (and im sure you will!) i think i may follow suit.
my only problems are right now.
a lack of space, which by that i mean NO chance at all of doing anything with it. but i am working on the space.
and the cost of it too, but if you already trod the path it makes it easier to follow.
best of luck with it and really looking forward to your exploits :)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on April 05, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
"i have been thinking about attempting to learn how to linen back myself"

i STRONGLY advise against this!

Bruce
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on April 05, 2012, 07:43:44 PM
"i have been thinking about attempting to learn how to linen back myself"

i STRONGLY advise against this!

Bruce

Yes, I agree, you will need very strong glue and you might end up feeling a bit stiff afterwards.

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 05, 2012, 09:49:37 PM
Yes, I agree, you will need very strong glue and you might end up feeling a bit stiff afterwards.



 ;D
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: quadbod on April 06, 2012, 03:48:48 AM
Make sure it's reversible in case you meet someone who prefers you in your raw state.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: agentprovocateur on April 06, 2012, 05:24:31 AM
 laugh1
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on April 06, 2012, 07:49:51 AM
Ok, so that involves removing any sticky bits, a good bath to get clean, deacidification, a good mounting, and if not good... touching up with a pencil. Are you sure???

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 06, 2012, 07:56:52 AM
Ok, so that involves removing any sticky bits, a good bath to get clean, deacidification, a good mounting, and if not good... touching up with a pencil. Are you sure???



Sounds like something a woman would do...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: enki on April 06, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
Just remember that the French prefer it not to be trimmed. au naturel.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 06, 2012, 02:45:05 PM
Phase 1 - Step 1: Building a Washing and Mounting Table (Entry 2)

So I was back at this morning finally having the day off minus watching my daughter but she quickly became daddy's little helper.

Started work on the top:

Not sure how much woodworking any of you do but if you don't have a table saw it can be tricky at time to cut plywood sheets.  Since my table saw is buried in the back of the garage I decided to apply this method.  You can just mark you length plus the distance from the edge of the circular saw platform to the blade and use it as a guide rail.  This is a great trick and you don't need a big table saw to make good cuts. You can see in the third pic that the guide board was screwed to the piece I was not going to use.  I did have trouble cutting without a helper so I was about an 1/8 off at the end; oops no matter.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/034.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/033.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/031.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/030.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/032.jpg)

I had extra plywood lying around but it was only 1/2' thick so I strapped some 3/4" on the back to stiffen it up.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/028.jpg)

Now I don't want any sharp edges on the table so I quarter-rounded the edges with a router.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/029.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/025.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/026.jpg)

I then put on two coats of garage floor epoxy to waterproof the table top.  This is a highquality impact resistant acrylic. I sanded it down with 120 and 220 grit sandpaper to get if fairly smooth.  The mylar will do most of the work on the table. 

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/021.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/022.jpg)

Phase 1 - Step 2: Modifying Old Poster Box for Soaking Tray (Entry 1)

The Old Poster Box (look familiar?)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/020.jpg)

PVC shower barrier very waterproof.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/027.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/017.jpg)

To do this right I had to adhere the PVC sheet to the box and I did so with commercial spray adhesive and then worked the PVC into the corners.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/019.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/018.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/015.jpg) 

Now for the drain. I had previously drilled a hole for the drain you can see in the above photo. I cut the PVC at the hole and slid the drain in and then on the back made another block with the same size hole gobbed caulk and tightened it all up.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/016.jpg)  (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/014.jpg) 

Time for a water test.  My daughter like this part the best.  And success!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/012.jpg)  (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/013.jpg) 

So what's next.  Gotta move it all in finish off the table etc.  Then I need to make frames and stretch canvas.  Plus the photos of the candidate posters...

Pulpfixin Out!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on April 06, 2012, 03:50:17 PM
Awesome Pulpfixin,,cant wait for the next posts,  :)

Stew
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on April 06, 2012, 04:20:21 PM
Wow, great start Charlie! I am willing to bet that your first backed poster will turn out better then that "Dr.No" Chris Cloutier did Mel.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on April 06, 2012, 06:08:14 PM
Come to West Plains. I have 100 handyman jobs for you.

I will pay you in posters!

Great work.

Bruce
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on April 06, 2012, 06:09:34 PM
Come to West Plains. I have 100 handyman jobs for you.

I will pay you in posters!

Great work.

Bruce
I`m Pulpfixin!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on April 06, 2012, 06:24:26 PM
You go boy!

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 07, 2012, 12:23:17 AM
Phase 1 - Step 1: Building a Washing and Mounting Table (Entry 3)
Phase 1 - Step 2: Modifying Old Poster Box for Soaking Tray (Entry 2)

All done waiting on more supplies.  Oh, snd I need to add rain gutters to the mounting table..
 
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/setup.jpg)

Next frames for canvases...

Pulpfixin Out!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: theartofmovieposters on April 07, 2012, 02:28:32 AM
 :o
Good grief.  Your wife must love you!  Imagine all those little handyman jobs that always need to be done.
At least in your house there is half a chance they do actually get done!

Very impressed!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 07, 2012, 03:01:26 AM
I hammered a nail once, wgot bent and wouldn't go all the way in, but ahh well.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 07, 2012, 04:04:02 AM
This is better than watching TV

 pcorn

Well done Charlie
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 07, 2012, 10:27:50 AM
Impressive Charlie (and I really like the drain you added) - I think I own a couple screwdrivers but that's about it  :-[

Can't wait to see the guinea pig poster nominated for the test drive!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 07, 2012, 10:38:45 AM
Impressive Charlie (and I really like the drain you added) - I think I own a couple screwdrivers but that's about it  :-[

Well I am pretty lucky having all the tools to do this.  I've been restoring furniture since high school.  The oak table in the pic is one that my grandmother had on the back porch that came out of a school library; the school shut down in the late 50s. It was very rough and I spent weeks bringing it back to life...  I was thinking yesterday that without the culmination of what I've done in the past and having all the tools, this would be a monumental effort.  I could only imagine the cost and steep learning curve for someone starting from scratch.   

Well off to make the canvas frames.  I viewed some of Darios frames and he appeared to use about 2.5" to 3" of overlap on the Jane Russel OS...  That probably is enough to do an Argentinian too...  I am going to try to make one with something called pocket screws.  He used brackets and I picked some of those up, but if I can get the pocket screws to work then there will be nothing to get a poster snagged on etc...   I'll report back... One problem I've been having is the freakin Masters is on and I get distracted...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 07, 2012, 10:44:17 AM
:o
Good grief.  Your wife must love you!  Imagine all those little handyman jobs that always need to be done.
At least in your house there is half a chance they do actually get done!

Very impressed!

Yes and no.  Just imagine all the little extra projects lying around the house like a half restored oak chair the mahogany buffet project taking up a corner of the garage. The linenbacking station taking up the dining room....   ;D  I do have a problem with finishing the extra projects.  In the old house I replaced a window in our master bath a few years ago and only finished the molding just a few weeks ago when we had to rent it.  I am very particular about the solution/method/style to finishing the project.  I couldn't quite wrap my mind around how I wanted to finish the window off, so it sat.  I just contractor finished it for the renters...  If it's not going to make you smile every time you look at it there is no point to doing it...

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 07, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Holy Crap!  FedEx just dropped off all my supplies... This may actually happen.   :o 

And I have to go to Grandma's for Easter. Typical timing... 
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on April 07, 2012, 11:34:38 AM
I was always too creative for real, long-lasting repair...

(http://archdezart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Bocchignano-Italy-3.jpg)  Great job, Charlie!  clap clap clap
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 07, 2012, 04:40:35 PM
Phase 1, Step 2 - Frames for Canvas

Made frames for canvases this morning.  Here you can see a trick I use to make sure all sides are exactly the same.  If you screw the boards together and then cut them they are the exact same length...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/035.jpg)

Trimmed them to 2.5 inches wide to reduce weight. The orange thing is a feather board it keeps the wood against the rail and also prevents it from shooting back out at you if it gets away. That is the mahogany buffet the boards are leaning on that I mentioned earlier...  Family heirloom left in a barn; thanks dad...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/036.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/038.jpg)

This is a Kreg Pocket Screw System.  It hides the connection out of sight.  They also make hardwood plugs to conceal the screw.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/037.jpg)

Finished frame and closeup of pocket screws

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/039.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/040.jpg)

Phase 2 (or whatever at this point) supplies and putting it all together...


Supplies
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/040A.jpg)

Frame on canvas ready for stretching.  Stretching was actually the hardest part so far.  It was a bitch and my fingers hurt for an hour afterwards...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/041.jpg)

Stretched; Dario told me a while back (the first time I thought about this) to run a wet sponge over it to tighten it up.  It worked very well..
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/042.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/043.jpg)

Masa paper laid out.  The back was shiny, I thought it would be the same texture front and back.  Huh?

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/044.jpg)

Candidate for backing? Strange Bedfellows I have 10 copies so I won't miss one if it goes badly.  I also played with the mylar sheets etc.  But now time for Easter, so maybe Sunday night or Monday I can actually get a poster wet...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/045.jpg)

Pulpfixin Out!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on April 07, 2012, 04:47:44 PM
I love how much you love this stuff.

I always feel less crazy after reading some of your posts.  :P

Go Charlie Go!!!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on April 07, 2012, 04:53:34 PM
I am amazed at the speed of assembly and the thorough documentation.
Have a great Easter, Charlie!
 cheers
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 07, 2012, 05:12:14 PM
Phase 1, Step 2 - Frames for Canvas

Frame on canvas ready for stretching.  Stretching was actually the hardest part so far.  It was a bitch and my fingers hurt for an hour afterwards...


Pulpfixin Out!


Given you are gong to cut the canvas off the frame once finished I wonder why there isn't something like a metal frame that you can size to suit (the canvas), then clamp the canvas in place and wind the frame wider to stretch tight..

Keep up the good work Charlie
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on April 07, 2012, 05:57:24 PM
Charlie, just curious why or how you would own 10 copies of Strange Bedfellows?

And the set up and progress all look fantastic, too!

Nice job, so far.
 thumbup

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 07, 2012, 10:13:00 PM
I hope you will post such detailed pics of the actual linenbacking process!  Please?

(Especially if it goes terribly wrong ;) )
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on April 08, 2012, 02:57:32 AM
Given you are gong to cut the canvas off the frame once finished I wonder why there isn't something like a metal frame that you can size to suit (the canvas), then clamp the canvas in place and wind the frame wider to stretch tight..

I think the idea is to tighten up the linen fibers making it more rigid once cut down, rather than stretching it so it becomes a saggy sock once cut down, interested to be enlightened though


Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on April 08, 2012, 10:05:13 PM
Excellent work, Charlie.  Hopefully the backing process will go as well as setting up everything.  Good luck.  thumbup
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 08, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
if you cant get the hang of it, flog your set up off to posterfix ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 08, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Well it is done...  It was not a complete success and not a complete failure.  I backed the poster along with the stains that didn't come out...  I may have expected too much.  The one thing I was very surprised about was how tough the poster was.  I really expected a wet poster to be much more fragile...

Here are the pre-backed photos.  Notice the stains. I specifically picked one with stains. These may be ink stains or something else because some came out and some didn't.  

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/046.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/047.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/048.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/049.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/050.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/051.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/052.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/053.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/054.jpg)

My wife was in charge of taking pics and she failed miserably...

First I wetted down the poster.  I used distilled water but I am not so sure this matters now...  

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/055.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/055A.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/056.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/057.jpg)

I used the orvus to wash the poster.  I washed it twice and rinsed it twice.  I then used a detergent (like bleach) to soak the poster and made the CaCO3 bath (sorry no photos)  I did have failures in my water collection system so my wife was running around putting towels down every where.  We had a tarp down so nothing serious.  I then washed the CT off three times and soaked it in the CaCO3.  I think I put way too much CaCO3 so I will have to revise that.  

When I put the Masa down we didn't strain the wheat paste well enough and there were lumps that I painstakingly tried to remove best I could.  After straining it for the poster it went down no problem like a pro...  The poster does look much brighter and cleaner.  Just not sure if I could have done more for the stains.  I will also have to see how well the masa adhered with the lumps...  Overall just need to do a few more to get the hang of the basics.  The stain removal was a downer..  So many variable soaking time etc...

So Dario any tips in the stain department would be much appreciated!
 
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/058.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/059.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/060.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/061.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/062.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/063.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/064.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 08, 2012, 10:30:35 PM
I would say not bad for a first try!

I can't really tell from the pics -has your backing job done away with most of the wrinkling and folds?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 08, 2012, 10:33:07 PM
I would say not bad for a first try!

I can't really tell from the pics -has your backing job done away with most of the wrinkling and folds?

Yeah the backing I would say was very much a success.  You can still make out the folds but they are pretty much gone in terms of texture.  I also used a teflon burnishing tool to smooth them out....  I take some picks of the folds...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on April 08, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
Looks like a pretty darn good job, especially considering it was the first.  thumbup
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 08, 2012, 10:48:29 PM
I can't really tell from the pics -has your backing job done away with most of the wrinkling and folds?

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/065.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/066.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/067.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/068.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 08, 2012, 11:18:28 PM
Impressive Charlie!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on April 08, 2012, 11:42:13 PM
Good job charlie. And nice set of progress pix, that accompanied your work, too!  thumbup




Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 09, 2012, 12:29:54 AM
Top job!!! 8)

How much do you charge?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 09, 2012, 03:28:05 PM
Top job!!! 8)

How much do you charge?

No plans for this yet; but I can't deny thinking about it.  But we could have some fun, if you like to gamble; send me a candidate for a free LB job (like a haircut from a beauty college)...  But no guarantees.    :D
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mondo Hazardo on April 09, 2012, 05:05:45 PM
Wow, so happy you show us your zeal and determination and envious of your handyman skills. Unfortunately i have two left and slightly shaky hands.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 09, 2012, 11:36:20 PM
Strange Bedfellows cut down and trimmed...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/069A.jpg)  (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/069A.jpg)

Second attempt went way better. Heartbreak Ridge OS...

I am starting to see similar texture that I've seen on professional stuff. It may just be the modern paper is thinner...  I figure on this one all I need is a black, grey, white and red watercolor pencil and resto complete...  Burnishing after drying really dulls the folds which will be a must on this one.  This paper was much more delicate when wet unlike the first one from the 60s.  Once when lifting it to reposition, it actually tore; but no matter it went right back together...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/069.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/070.jpg)


Anybody have any questions or requests?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 09, 2012, 11:40:38 PM
Charlie - I want to see you tackle some actual restoration now (yeah, I know we are moving quick!).

Let's see how the colouring goes on the fold lines?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: theartofmovieposters on April 10, 2012, 02:34:00 AM
When you trim, I would leave a wee bit more of the linen.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on April 10, 2012, 07:35:37 AM
I prefer mine with 2 inches so I can pin em to the wall without tearing through it and also having the extra buffer when rolling them up and storing vertically against crumpling poster edge under that weight

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 10, 2012, 07:48:44 AM
When you trim, I would leave a wee bit more of the linen.

Well I will have to admit I knew I needed to leave more (to pin up) but I botched the masa job on this first one.  :-[  There was a bubble near the top (didn't realize until I cut it down - but suspected a problem in that area) and it didn't adhere very well probably because of the lumps, so I only had about 1/4" on the top past the poster after I cut it down.  Trimmed it to be symmetrical....  The Heartbreak Ridge was spot on everywhere so no problem leaving more this time.... 
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on April 10, 2012, 08:08:56 AM
Use a syringe to inject wheat paste into the air pocket.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on April 10, 2012, 08:21:50 AM
Use a syringe to inject wheat paste into the air pocket.

Yeah, sure... "wheat paste"  ;)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wXR3SdsUlbQ/Tx7LBAQ8GCI/AAAAAAAAEG4/XVpkEJUYzMI/s1600/marihuana.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 10, 2012, 09:58:54 AM
Use a syringe to inject wheat paste into the air pocket.

Nice. I'll have to try this next time...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 10, 2012, 10:00:29 AM
When you trim, I would leave a wee bit more of the linen.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  But the more you leave, the bigger pain in the ass it is to frame
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 10, 2012, 10:01:13 AM
glue the whole sucker to the wall.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 10, 2012, 10:05:53 AM
glue the whole sucker to the wall.

Is that how you Aussies hold your houses together now?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 10, 2012, 10:07:38 AM
we soak noir daybills in flour and water and make papier mache bricks.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on April 10, 2012, 10:15:29 AM
we soak noir daybills in flour and water and make papier mache bricks.

Best use for daybill ever  thumbup
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 10, 2012, 12:45:40 PM
we soak noir daybills in flour and water and make papier mache bricks.

That's akin to sacrilege!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 10, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
Charlie - I want to see you tackle some actual restoration now (yeah, I know we are moving quick!).

Let's see how the colouring goes on the fold lines?

Well I tackled the Heartbreak Ridge and perhaps was expecting too much since it was a shiny black.  The pencil didn't really want to stick and to get it to stick I had to really lay it on.  I then blended it with a blending stick but it became abrashive on two of the folds.  I think using the airbrush would have been a better option but I haven't played with that yet.

Non-the-less here is a comp...  It does look very much improved but I just don't know if perfection was attainable on this one without some heavy manipulation.  I could have sanded the folds and airbrushed them; but that is all I can think of.  Maybe not the best poster to start on; black ever the contrast even for black!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/pencils.jpg)


So it will go unless otherwise stated Unbacked, Backed (no resto), Touched Up

Full Poster....
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/full_a.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/full_b.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/full_c.jpg)

Top Right....
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/tr_a.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/tr_b.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/tr_c.jpg)

Lower Right....
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/lr_a.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/lr_b.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/lr_c.jpg)

No pre-backed photos here on out
Top Center... This one was a bitch.  I am thinking the only way to fix this is with sand paper and an airbrush....  This fold was really rough prior to backing.
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/tc_b.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/tc_c.jpg)

Lower Left... This one came out nice...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/ll_b.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/ll_c.jpg)

Lower Center...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/lc_b.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/HBRcomp/lc_c.jpg)

Let me know what you think.  All my linenbacked posters are pre 1980, so I had no examples of the shiny poster paper to compare to...  Your input would be greatly appreciated.  Would you be satisfied with this?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 10, 2012, 10:05:54 PM
 clap clap clap
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 10, 2012, 10:10:38 PM
Not all that bad Charlie.  The real question is "are YOU satisfied with it?" - since you are backing these for your own use.

Shiny posters are a bitch and are very unforgiving in hiding restoration. 

Maybe try a cheaper old litho poster and I bet the incolouring will look a lot better...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 10, 2012, 10:26:37 PM
Not all that bad Charlie.  The real question is "are YOU satisfied with it?" - since you are backing these for your own use.

Nope! If I had paid $100+ for this I would be disappointed...  But I am a perfectionist.  I think when I get some more money (as I am upwards of almost 1K in with everything at this point) I will sand it down and airbrush it to see if it makes a difference.  I keep wondering if there is a water soluble clear coat to make it shiny?  Or a safe way to buff a watercolor...  Anybody heard of this? 

I am definitely satisfied with the quality of the backing job.  Dario's suggestion to get a higher quality canvas was spot on...  I was looking at my other linen backed posters and you can tell the difference.

I am confident I can back a poster now; the resto (which is the meat of it) will be a discovery from this point...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on April 10, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
Your input would be greatly appreciated.  Would you be satisfied with this?

Yes, but I am also not a perfectionist :-[ Your pulpfixin restorations are a real inspiration to me. If there where more folded poster in my personal collection i'd be taking more notes and asking more questions!

I'd be more then willing to send you some shiny folded MMA posters to play with... if you destroy them oh well eyeroll but i'm sure you have more then enough people hitting you up for a cheap restoration ;)

Thanks for the pic's and keeping us updated, u da man!!!

Jon
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 11, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
far as I know, getting the BLACK on the clay based posters is VERY hard (probably goes for other colours also). Older posters are easier, but soon as gloss is involved, its never going to be perfect.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Reel Movie Posters on April 11, 2012, 01:46:25 AM
Top work Charlie  :)

Looks great

Richie
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 11, 2012, 04:05:08 AM
wanna have a go on this?  :P

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff401/aririchards/IMGP1868.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 11, 2012, 07:22:55 AM
wanna have a go on this?  :P

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff401/aririchards/IMGP1868.jpg)

Don't think I am quite ready to tackle this one...  ;D
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on April 11, 2012, 10:25:38 AM
For a guy that just started backing a few days ago, looks like you are doing quite well.  thumbup

Not as advanced as Ari's but I might have some work for you in the future  8)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 11, 2012, 11:22:47 AM
Man I just watched one of those Chris Cloture videos and suddenly realized I am doing pretty good so far... He didn't wash it, soak it, etc.  He just slapped wheat paste and threw it up...  How is that conservation?  But I guess CC is not exactly the cream of the crop.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 11, 2012, 12:09:04 PM
But I guess CC is not exactly the cream of the crop.

That could be the understatement of the year!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 14, 2012, 09:55:31 PM
Child labor laws do not apply for amateur works, right?  Daughter wanted to stir the wheat paste...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/familyfun.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on April 14, 2012, 10:00:19 PM
If you are hiring, these two are available:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/254323_10150302971276241_236528126240_9684527_7856069_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 14, 2012, 10:05:26 PM
Yay Toronto!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 14, 2012, 10:09:02 PM
FREE LINEN-BACKING FOR EVERYBODY!  WOO-HOO!  woohoo


(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/APF/jpstooges-popup.jpg)

FREE LINEN-BACKING FOR EVERYBODY!  WOO-HOO!  woohoo
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on April 14, 2012, 10:35:30 PM
Child labor laws do not apply for amateur works, right?  Daughter wanted to stir the wheat paste...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/familyfun.jpg)

Cute shot, Charlie.. keeping it all in the family! Touche'

sm1
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on April 14, 2012, 10:42:14 PM
I bet he told her it was porridge.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 14, 2012, 10:47:31 PM
FREE LINEN-BACKING FOR EVERYBODY!  WOO-HOO!  woohoo

Well as the risk goes down the price goes up...   ;)  And the risk is going down quicker than you think...  It takes about 1.5 hours to back a poster from start to finish (w/o CT wash) and that doesn't even account for resto time...  

One thing I have learned with this whole thing is to respect those who do this for a living.  It's hard work.  I now know why they charge extra for washing and deacidifying.  And why $50/hr for resto is reasonable...

My back was sore after the first time.  My clothes get all wet. I've got a blister on my right ring finger from the staple gun...  I think my skin peeled off on my right leg yesterday because I didn't wash the CT off fast enough....  I've dirtied every bread plate with watercolors and taken up half our formal living and dining...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on April 14, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
(http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu12/brude2000/OTHER/titanic02.jpg)   thumbup
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 14, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
So what you're saying is - backers/restorers should get danger pay?  ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 14, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
If you are hiring, these two are available:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/254323_10150302971276241_236528126240_9684527_7856069_n.jpg)

What is with the masks and gloves; is this a play on the film?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on April 14, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
They were being photographers. We don't want human hands or breath touching the consignors' posters!

Bruce
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on April 15, 2012, 12:43:03 AM
We don't want human hands or breath touching the consignors' posters!


To make sure the new owner is the first one to drool over his posters  ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on April 15, 2012, 06:30:51 AM
Exactly!
 sm1
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on April 15, 2012, 02:42:50 PM
To make sure the new owner is the first one to drool over his posters  ;)

(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/floyda/animated/drooling.gif)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 03:08:26 PM
Here is the latest work comparison:

"Thunderbolt and Lightfoot" US OS

Really proud of this one.  Man we wash and wash and bleached and bleached.  The top didn't come perfectly clean but it is much less noticable.  I also touched up the folds and wrinkles...

Before|After (Click to enlarge)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullraw_thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullraw.jpg)(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullresto_thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullresto.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: skyjackers on April 15, 2012, 03:20:17 PM
I'm amazed at how well you're doing and the amount of effort and passion you put into things. Really great stuff...!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 03:42:58 PM
I'm amazed at how well you're doing and the amount of effort and passion you put into things. Really great stuff...!

Thanks!  I need this one for my Eastwood OS collection so it's a winner...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: teamweapon on April 15, 2012, 03:47:02 PM
Here is the latest work comparison:

"Thunderbolt and Lightfoot" US OS

Really proud of this one.  Man we wash and wash and bleached and bleached.  The top didn't come perfectly clean but it is much less noticable.  I also touched up the folds and wrinkles...

Before|After (Click to enlarge)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullraw_thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullraw.jpg)(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullresto_thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/TBLFcomp/fullresto.jpg)
DAMN DUDE!!!
you got the mad skillzzzz bro!

once i pull myself out of my financial quagmire i would love to follow in your foot steps!
did you shoot any video of any of your process' either the construction or backing?
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 03:53:58 PM
did you shoot any video of any of your process' either the construction or backing?

Man there is no time to do that.  I start freaking out once I get the poster wet.  It's actually not that difficult to back the poster; the touching up is definetly a learning experience.  Just this morning I put some painter's tape down started touching up an edge and the farqer bled onto the masa.  So there I was trying to blot, sandpaper, and mask an error.  I am sure there is some way to do it; I see all the backers using painters tape, but did I get the right tape, did I not push it down enough/ was it because I should have let the color dry before pulling it off...  I learn something on everyone of them.  When your really ready (Or anyone else) I'll be glad to talk you through the whole thing...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on April 15, 2012, 03:59:44 PM
Charlie the work you`ve done so far has been inspiring..just think 6 months from now,you`ll be leaps and bounds ahead,I would like to see how you approach paper loss,i`m intrigued how the pro`s do it..
keep it up bud,

Stew
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 15, 2012, 04:04:52 PM
I''m impressed and very pleased for you Charlie - great job
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on April 15, 2012, 04:19:28 PM
Truly inconceivable!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: teamweapon on April 15, 2012, 04:37:37 PM
Man there is no time to do that.  I start freaking out once I get the poster wet.  It's actually not that difficult to back the poster; the touching up is definetly a learning experience.  Just this morning I put some painter's tape down started touching up an edge and the farqer bled onto the masa.  So there I was trying to blot, sandpaper, and mask an error.  I am sure there is some way to do it; I see all the backers using painters tape, but did I get the right tape, did I not push it down enough/ was it because I should have let the color dry before pulling it off...  I learn something on everyone of them.  When your really ready (Or anyone else) I'll be glad to talk you through the whole thing...

thanks for the offer charlie!!!
that really is an awesome invitation and i will be following up on it.
if my plans for this year go well. i will either have the money and space to do something about it.
or so crazy busy i wont even have time to think about it :)
haha
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on April 15, 2012, 07:47:59 PM
Hi Charlie,

It's been fun to watch this tread.

It's also nice to see that you got an appreciation for we do everyday all day long.

So from everything I've seen here and everything said. This is my best recommendation to you. Since you seem Hell bent on doing this and there is no turning back now.

Before you start plowing through your better paper and potentially down the road, others. I would strongly suggest hands on training with a pro.

On the conservation side, you need to know how to gauge the paper, calibrate the baths, knowing the strength of chemicals. Using Bleach is one of the most traumatic things you can do to paper. So wash and wash bleach and bleach at this stage will most likely be more damaging than good. That is just one of a myriad when it comes to the conservation side.

On the restoration side. That always starts of with a properly backed poster. When the poster have dried for a few days. Close your eyes, run your hand/fingers all across the poster. Is the poster completely flush or can you feel the folds?? Reason I say this, you mention that you want to sand the folds and then air brush. This would be totally wacky and wrong. If you sand the folds which are already broken, you would have eight piece of paper on linen rather than a complete poster.

I hope this has helped and that you take my recommendation.

All the best,
dario.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 08:23:43 PM
It's been fun to watch this tread.
I was wondering if your had been checking in. Glad you have been...

It's also nice to see that you got an appreciation for we do everyday all day long.

Oh god yes.  When I started I thought "They just slap the poster on linen and make 100 bucks!"  I really can't imagine trying to support myself or others doing this everyday. Engineering is much easier! I sit back tell people what to do check and make sure they are doing it right... (that sounds familiar  ;))

So from everything I've seen here and everything said. This is my best recommendation to you. Since you seem Hell bent on doing this and there is no turning back now.

Before you start plowing through your better paper and potentially down the road, others. I would strongly suggest hands on training with a pro.

Do you have any recommendations or persons in mind; Canada is a long way away but I would make the trip...

On the conservation side, you need to know how to gauge the paper, calibrate the baths, knowing the strength of chemicals. Using Bleach is one of the most traumatic things you can do to paper. So wash and wash bleach and bleach at this stage will most likely be more damaging than good. That is just one of a myriad when it comes to the conservation side.

I have decided to wash with orvus and CT before the CaCOS3 bath since the CT reacts better with lower PH so if I remove the acidity the effectiveness of the CT goes down (am I understanding this correctly?).  The Orvus or "wash" works rather well to remove dirt I saw this with my own eyes on the Thunderbolt & Lightfoot poster.  I plan to continue to use this unless you have a better agent to lift dirt.  It is funny you mention conservation I was reading the other day that some restorers use fixative; that is a no-no right?

We are both talking about the Chloramine T as "bleach"... I am not pouring clorox on them.  ;)


On the restoration side. That always starts of with a properly backed poster. When the poster have dried for a few days. Close your eyes, run your hand/fingers all across the poster. Is the poster completely flush or can you feel the folds?? Reason I say this, you mention that you want to sand the folds and then air brush. This would be totally wacky and wrong. If you sand the folds which are already broken, you would have eight piece of paper on linen rather than a complete poster.

Actually that poster and fold was due to my ignorance going from soaking to flattening and not understanding that the front of the poster should be just as wet as the back of the poster before you try to flatten it. It was also a more modern poster.  My first from the mid 60s had very little fold issues. I very much rectified this error on the past two posters...  I have also noticed that if I run the teflon tool down the seems prior to the tightening the fold virtually disappear.  I also observed that if I stand the poster up straight away that the folds tend to come back most likely due to gravity pulling the wet poster down. I now prop them up horizontally on painters pyramids the dry for 6 to 8 hours before placing vertically.  I also noticed that if I wet the back of the poster down a few times while it dries to poster comes out much nicer and less wavy.  

However, I can still feel and see the folds to some degree but not much more than my mind telling me one should be there.

I hope this has helped and that you take my recommendation.

I would love to take your recommendation but I have no idea where to receive training; I guess it would be paper conservation training versus movie poster conservation training. Right?  University with a Library Science degree?

Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on April 15, 2012, 09:15:21 PM
Well as the risk goes down the price goes up...   ;)  And the risk is going down quicker than you think...  It takes about 1.5 hours to back a poster from start to finish (w/o CT wash) and that doesn't even account for resto time...  

One thing I have learned with this whole thing is to respect those who do this for a living.  It's hard work.  I now know why they charge extra for washing and deacidifying.  And why $50/hr for resto is reasonable...

My back was sore after the first time.  My clothes get all wet. I've got a blister on my right ring finger from the staple gun...  I think my skin peeled off on my right leg yesterday because I didn't wash the CT off fast enough....  I've dirtied every bread plate with watercolors and taken up half our formal living and dining...

DAMMIT!!! I knew that I should have sent you 10 posters, not just the two moron1 moron1 moron1 I should have had more faith that a fellow collector such as yourself would go above and beyond to make sure these restorations are done correctly.

Your time, effort, struggles and pain and all worth of praise and admiration. I salute you good sir! cheers

Whenever you are able to find time to work on more of my stuff I will be willing to pay whatever price you think is fair.

Thanks,
Jon
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 09:21:18 PM
DAMMIT!!! I knew that I should have sent you 10 posters, not just the two moron1 moron1 moron1 I should have had more faith that a fellow collector such as yourself would go above and beyond to make sure these restorations are done correctly.

Your time, effort, struggles and pain and all worth of praise and admiration. I salute you good sir! cheers

Whenever you are able to find time to work on more of my stuff I will be willing to pay whatever price you think is fair.

Thanks,
Jon

Thanks for this Jon. 



   
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 10:33:29 PM
Time for some fun.  Remember this one Mel?  When I first joined APF, Mel and I exchanged a few e-mails and I told him I was fond of "The Deep".  He recommended I get this poster but it is from a playboy and on two separate pages.  So now I can finally make it a poster...  Wish me luck.  Going to do a couple of Belgians too..

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small001.jpg)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 15, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
I''m impressed and very pleased for you Charlie - great job

Agreed!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 11:00:07 PM
So in taking Dario's advice I found this:

http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/pcc/

I'll do like an good nerd does and read my way out...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 15, 2012, 11:12:12 PM
Time for some fun.  Remember this one Mel?  When I first joined APF, Mel and I exchanged a few e-mails and I told him I was fond of "The Deep".  He recommended I get this poster but it is from a playboy and on two separate pages.  So now I can finally make it a poster...  Wish me luck.  Going to do a couple of Belgians too..


Yeah, I like it but the two pieces don't match on mine - the water color is significantly different on both parts, so it can't really be "fixed."

The best poster for this is the special book promo (http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161120&lotNo=50109)  - 14.5" x 75(!)"
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2012, 11:16:21 PM
Yeah, I like it but the two pieces don't match on mine - the water color is significantly different on both parts, so it can't really be "fixed."

The best poster for this is the special book promo (http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161120&lotNo=50109)  - 14.5" x 75(!)"


The two pieces worth worrying about match on mine...  ;D  Mine appear to match maybe you need to buy another Playboy...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on April 16, 2012, 08:40:07 AM
The best poster for this is the special book promo (http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161120&lotNo=50109)  - 14.5" x 75(!)"

I think Charlie already has that one Mel: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,177.msg71134.html#msg71134
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on April 16, 2012, 08:53:27 AM
I think Charlie already has that one Mel: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,177.msg71134.html#msg71134

No, that's the 44" version.  I've got that one too.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Tob on April 16, 2012, 03:58:57 PM
Just caught up with this thread...it's great! Well done Charlie, that linen backed Thunderbold and Lightfoot looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on April 16, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
why would you want to flatten out Jackie Bissett??

wynk

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small001.jpg)
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Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 18, 2012, 11:26:58 PM
Time for some fun.  Remember this one Mel?  When I first joined APF, Mel and I exchanged a few e-mails and I told him I was fond of "The Deep".  He recommended I get this poster but it is from a playboy and on two separate pages.  So now I can finally make it a poster...  Wish me luck.  Going to do a couple of Belgians too..

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small001.jpg)

Well I think I mounted Jacqueline too hard.  I got carry away sponging off her top portion... ;)   The magazine surface just washed away...  I'll have to see what it looks like when it dries.  The other interesting thing is that I think the papers were different (top and bottom) as well.  The top part expanded a lot while the bottom didn't expand much at all and when I placed them, the top was a good 1/8" wider...   The Belgians turned out great... Pics when they dry up...

I did small ones while the wife is away; sometimes it helps to have an extra pair of hands for the larger ones...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 19, 2012, 12:48:02 AM
Well I think I mounted Jacqueline too hard.  

Not the first time that has been said  ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on April 19, 2012, 12:56:09 AM
I got carry away sponging off her top portion... ;)   The magazine surface just washed away...  I'll have to see what it looks like when it dries.  

Hopefully Jacqueline topless  thumbup


Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on April 19, 2012, 01:59:44 AM
inconceivable!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on April 19, 2012, 02:02:24 AM
I would love to take your recommendation but I have no idea where to receive training; I guess it would be paper conservation training versus movie poster conservation training. Right?  University with a Library Science degree?

you ask Dario how much he will charge you for 3 days of education and you fly up to Canada & spend a weekend learning, eating food and drinking wine with the AWESOME Jojo
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 19, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
Update:  Been playing with some watercolors for restoration...  I've noticed that regular watercolors dry flat and often don't have enough covering power.  So I did some research and there is a reversible way to accomplish added sheen and cover power.  That is through the use of Opaque Water Colors and the use of Gum Arabic.  Now all my research indicates that these can be softened or dissolved in water, which is what I really want for the restoration effort. So here are some experimental pics.  I will later see how reversible they are...  Now the pics are just from taping a poster to masa and to a watercolor cardboard.  I also paperbacked two cutouts to play with later...

First poster collecting blasphemy or sacrilege...


(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay10.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay09.jpg)

Paperbacked for later use; baby girl always wants to be in the picture...


(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay08.jpg)

Had to rough up the poster a bit to experiment with it.  You wouldn't believe but I laid packing tape over the poster and tries to rip off surface too little or no effect at all; so out came the sandpaper!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay07.jpg)

Playing with something called Frisket AKA masking fluid for watercolors...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay05.jpg)


Frisket rubbed off!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay04.jpg)
Here are some good comparison shot of the three types of watercolor treatments I experimented with. Regular, Opaque, and Opaque with Gum Arabic...


(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay01.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay06.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay05.jpg)

Now lets play with artist tape!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay03.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/wcplay/wcplay02.jpg)

Probably need to look into a more sensitive artist tape and perhaps higher quality Frisket.  I might be taking these back as they claim not to damage artwork...

Let me know what you think!

Pulfixin Out!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 19, 2012, 08:43:01 PM
Charlie you really have to try a more vintage poster.  I think the colouring results will display much better outside the modern glossy paper...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 19, 2012, 08:44:37 PM
So here are some current projects....

Four brave APFers sent me posters and covered my material cost (in one way or another) to see what I could do.  I won't mention any names (the file names might give it away) but if you guys want to chime in feel free!

First one done for someone else was a MMA poster - B&A

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/jons_backings/poster1_sbs.jpg

I did Jackie and two Belgians last night... I really love the small posters, they are so easy to move around.  After pics in a day or so...  Jackie was my first major fail!  

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small001L.jpg
http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small002L.jpg
http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small003L.jpg

Now I got seven (and one on the way) posters lined up.  Here are some before pics:

One more MMA:

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/jons_backings/poster2.jpg

The Beauty College Haircut:

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/matts_backings/poster1_04182012.jpg

These next five will be a true test of my skills:

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster1_04182012.jpg
http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster2_04182012.jpg
This next one will be fun!
http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster3_04182012.jpg
http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster4_04182012.jpg
http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster5_04182012.jpg
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 19, 2012, 08:45:46 PM
Charlie you really have to try a more vintage poster.  I think the colouring results will display much better outside the modern glossy paper...

Quite true but I am not really worried about the vintage stuff.  The Thunderbolt came out fine with regular watercolors except the face which could have used the opaques...  I guess I can still paint/experiment on the Strange Bedfellows...  
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 19, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
Looking forward to seeing how the Belgians turned out...
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on April 19, 2012, 09:05:42 PM
Forget the other lets see those quads!!!! :D
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on April 19, 2012, 10:31:34 PM
lol! I'm glad two of my junkie posters where among the first few that you got to play with woohoo any chance of getting a #'d restoration COA with them? ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on April 19, 2012, 11:53:08 PM
Haha Richie!,

Next time awesome Jojo and I are down in Vegas, we'll finish of the rest of the Sushi menu and the Sake compartment,ugh!

I can tell everyone that over the years I've gotten plenty of inquiries about "how can I learn? can you teach me?" I might even spoken to Charlie at one point??

I am trying to be as helpful as I can be, but I am heavily invested emotionally and financially and I can't justifiable give it all away. I am sorry! and I don't want to be found dead wrapped up in a 13 duck canvas in the pond. :P

You all probably notice that over the course of many years. it's been me and late great Susan Olson who's done all the  Q&A and I will continue to do so, within reason.

So,

That brings me to Charlie,

I am looking at the images of what looks like you are experimenting to get a higher Gloss on Gloss paper. If there was such thing, I would have used it on the E.T. poster for example. Also there is no Black that can mimic printing Jet Black.

So here's a little trick for you. After you have filled in all the fold lines on Glossy paper, use a Burnishing bone to go over the the folds. You can create a wee bit of a sheen that way.

All the best,
dario.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on April 20, 2012, 12:14:54 AM
First poster collecting blasphemy or sacrilege...

It's not basphemy with an Eddie Murphy poster...  ;)
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: TheAnswerMVP2001 on April 20, 2012, 01:32:09 AM
It's not basphemy with an Eddie Murphy poster...  ;)

True.  When it comes to Eddie Murphy movies the movies themselves are sacrilege, at least anything he's done in the last 20 years.
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on April 22, 2012, 08:32:54 PM
Charlie, What happens to the gloss on the 80s poster?
Your doing a great job!
Title: Re: Amatuer Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 22, 2012, 08:47:50 PM
Charlie, you gonna try any 80s/90s paper(the ones with some gloss) to see if they can be backed?

Your doing a great job!

Mike - Charlie already posted the "Heartbreak Ridge" earlier on...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 24, 2012, 12:20:16 AM
Ok the Belgians are down and the real fun starts tomorrow having the fighter poster and two quad frames and canvases ready to go...

Here are the comparison pics.

The My Fair Lady turned out best.  You'll have to excuse the pic for some reason (I think because I switched from a two light to four light system or that the white balance now took into account the masa??) that the after pic is a bit dull...  But as you can tell the touch-ups went really well...

Click to enlarge...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small001Lcomp_small.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small001Lcomp.jpg)

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small001L_after.jpg

The Dirty Harry was an ass of a poster to touch up.  I nailed the blacks and am quite proud of that.  Getting the oranges and pinks right was a nightmare.  At one point we thought we had it and I brought it up for pics but under fluorescent light it was a totally different color.  But one thing I learned was that watercolors are most definitely reversible...  As I wiped most of the touch-ups off...  I may try again when my patience returns...

Click to enlarge...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small002Lcomp_small.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small002Lcomp.jpg)

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small002L_after.jpg
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 24, 2012, 12:24:28 AM
Looking good Charlie.  Keep up the experimentation!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Audrey looks much better, but doesn't she always. ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 24, 2012, 12:34:17 AM
Audrey looks much better, but doesn't she always. ;)

I really like blowing them up and scrolling to compare each area...  That Dirty Harry was a stinker.  Probably started Fair to good.  It looked like someone had folded it over and over 1000 times...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on April 24, 2012, 12:36:28 AM
Nice work, Charlie. 
Before you know it, you'll be working on Berwick 2.
 cheers
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 24, 2012, 12:57:02 AM
Truly a great job Charlie

In your professional opinion from what grade to what grade have you taken these posters?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 12:59:55 AM



(http://www.clker.com/cliparts/7/8/3/2/11949855931744447303arrow-left-green_benji_p_01.svg.thumb.png)Where's this chick, Charlie?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 24, 2012, 01:08:11 AM
Truly a great job Charlie

In your professional opinion from what grade to what grade have you taken these posters?

First this is an amateur thread so in my still amateur opinion:

I would have to say the My Fair Lady is pretty spot on...  There is some paper loss in the dead space at the top that I decided to leave because it makes it more original (to me and its mine) when most people just cut it off.  There was a 1/2" tear on the left that is now pretty much gone.  Else after I was done with it I would give it a Very Good to Fine grade (Bruce's Grading).  Some of the touchups you can't even tell and overall it looks very crisp like it wasn't restored.  He might dock me on the slight run off that my wife committed before I could get the artist tape down, but I am very proud of this one.

The Dirty Harry is a good example of when starting with shit after you shine it, it is still shit...  I don't think I improved this one much more that it was.  The folds are still very distracting and even though I repaired a separation and did solid on the blacks, this one is still only Good at best so I may have pulled it from Fair to Good...

Else they are what they are...  

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 24, 2012, 01:09:22 AM
Where's this chick, Charlie?

Who knows what would happen if I found her (https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlupjyyrb3zi1Mrq0BxfhC2z0QY4sysGO4MLbY0KT0a4V653Ki)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 24, 2012, 01:14:01 AM


(http://www.clker.com/cliparts/7/8/3/2/11949855931744447303arrow-left-green_benji_p_01.svg.thumb.png)Where's this chick, Charlie?

The chick was a fail my friend when I was trying to pick up the extra wheat paste with a sponge I went and rubbed her top off...  But the best bits of the poster turned out ok...  It still backed well and I continued just to see what placing two pieces would be like and that came out really well you can hardly feel the seem...


(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/smalls/small003L_after.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 01:22:19 AM
I sorry about Jacqueline mate but I'm talking Raquel. ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 24, 2012, 01:28:24 AM
I sorry about Jacqueline mate but I'm talking Raquel. ;)

Still drying... Started letting them congeal for about three days before cutting them down. I checked it today and it is as crisp as a fresh dollar bill...

Here is the shot from the other day...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/matts_backings/poster1_04222012.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 01:35:42 AM
Oh yeah baby! 8)  clap
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 24, 2012, 03:21:15 AM
Yuuup!

 thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 24, 2012, 10:25:36 AM
Daybills really agree with the linenbacking process.   The folds disappear and the colours pop without too much work at all!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on April 24, 2012, 10:33:48 AM
Daybills really agree with the linenbacking process.   The folds disappear and the colours pop without too much work at all!

That ain't the only thing 'popping' on that daybill.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on April 24, 2012, 09:23:59 PM
 pcorn cheers pcorn
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on April 24, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
That ain't the only thing 'popping' on that daybill.

 rofl1

I'm loving these! Keep them coming Charlie pcorn
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 24, 2012, 11:54:01 PM
Update: Chip Guy's Fighter Poster

First I removed all the remaining tape residue from the front and back with Bestine and then sanded down the non-sticky residue on the back.  And then all hell broke loose when I got it wet.  This one started de-laminating after the first wash.  Bubbles started forming between the front glossy side and the back paper side.  So after a hour of oh so carefully taking an exacto and breaking the bubbles to release the fluid pockets it actually turned out ok..  There were some issues but I think once I touch it up it well present very well.  It was a bitch though Jon! 

I just made a gallery. also showed stretching a canvas...

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/jons_backings/poster2/index.htm

Pulpfixin exhausted and had to have a drink after this one...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 25, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
Update:  Never Ending Story Quad

I first had to remove a large piece of tape on the back side.  I then washed with orvus, soaked in CaCO3 for about 15-20 minutes (of course rinsing after each) and then a final distilled water wash before mounting...  It went on very nicely.  Although it was very wet when I put it on it should be fine but I need to let them dry a little before slapping them on.  I wet burnished the folds and am just waiting for it to dry to start working on the touch ups.  The tear came back together nicely and should do well with minor touch up...  Whew!

Another gallery because I am tipsy and lazy at this point... Two in one night (especially with the fighter fiasco)...

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/nes/index.htm
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on April 25, 2012, 06:11:23 AM
Woohoo .. Looking awesome! Cant wait to see what you have for us tonight!! :)

Oh and BTW .. that clown kinda creeps me out! :P
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on April 25, 2012, 09:32:15 AM
A tip for using the Bestine for tape removal... Don't saturate the poster too much.  I had fully saturated the tape (and poster) from front and back to hopefully loosen a stubborn piece of tape.  I turned out removing a thin layer of the artwork in two places as I gently pulled the tape back!  And it wasn't from recklessly pulling the tape.  It happened in an instant and there was no saving it.  I think the Bestine had saturated the poster so much that the surface became fragile.  If you think it might be a stubborn piece of tape, it might be good to saturate and then let it dry, then saturate and let dry... that might help to weaken the tape bond, while letting the poster regain it's integrity.  Then do it one more time and actually pull the tape without saturating the poster so heavily.  Just an idea... I'm still a newbie with this.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 25, 2012, 09:46:38 AM
A tip for using the Bestine for tape removal... Don't saturate the poster too much.  I had fully saturated the tape (and poster) from front and back to hopefully loosen a stubborn piece of tape.  I turned out removing a thin layer of the artwork in two places as I gently pulled the tape back!  And it wasn't from recklessly pulling the tape.  It happened in an instant and there was no saving it.  I think the Bestine had saturated the poster so much that the surface became fragile.  If you think it might be a stubborn piece of tape, it might be good to saturate and then let it dry, then saturate and let dry... that might help to weaken the tape bond, while letting the poster regain it's integrity.  Then do it one more time and actually pull the tape without saturating the poster so heavily.  Just an idea... I'm still a newbie with this.

I've never had this happen.  Though I do try to let the bestine work from both sides...  The pictures may look like I just drenched it but the poster soaked it up really quickly. It was only two q-tip fulls on the first pic and then as I lifted it away..  The way I finish it off once a corned comes up is by rubbing the q-tip w/bestine just above the tool on the tape which lets it travel down to where the tape, tool, and poster meet and then gently move the tool (the new one I got in the pic is sooo much better for this; I use to use just a q-tip or end of a fork or spoon) sliding and allowing the tape to just lift away.

It may be that the surface of the poster had already detached?  Before tape removal? 

Now on really stubborn stuff I have use a much more aggressive solvent I think it is called "goo be gone" that did take the ink off of a poster but it didn't take surface...  Plus they were Italians and may have been lower quality inks to start with; on that very thin paper...   
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on April 25, 2012, 10:04:38 AM
It may be that the surface of the poster had already detached?  Before tape removal? 

I don't think so.  But it was a glossy modern poster.  I can't imagine this happening on older matte stock as there isn't really a separate 'printing surface' so to speak.

Just thought I would send out a word of caution....
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on April 25, 2012, 03:03:43 PM
Update: Chip Guy's Fighter Poster

First I removed all the remaining tape residue from the front and back with Bestine and then sanded down the non-sticky residue on the back.  And then all hell broke loose when I got it wet.  This one started de-laminating after the first wash.  Bubbles started forming between the front glossy side and the back paper side.  So after a hour of oh so carefully taking an exacto and breaking the bubbles to release the fluid pockets it actually turned out ok..  There were some issues but I think once I touch it up it well present very well.  It was a bitch though Jon! 

I just made a gallery. also showed stretching a canvas...

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/jons_backings/poster2/index.htm

Pulpfixin exhausted and had to have a drink after this one...

WOW!!! :o and I thought the little one was going to give you trouble?

Thanks for going above and beyond to save my crappy UFC poster... it was not necessary but very appreciated!!

That little white spot on bottom right corner of the UFC 57 was done with that goo be gone stuff. I messed around with it a little bit before I decided it was wayyyy to powerful for my unskilled hands to mess with. It taste good mixed 50/50 with club soda and a splash of lime tho ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 26, 2012, 12:22:44 AM
No big update tonight.  Got a top secret package and bought some 100% rag to blend up and make paper fill. It is from Rives in France so I am sure T would approve. Supposedly Rives is the oldest paper company in the world and has clients dating back to the 1400s including many like Picasso etc.. The art store guy was very talkative.  The NES and fighter both have paper fill needs... so that is the next experiment as well as replacing some paper on the fighter.

However, I really like the way the NES makes my living room pop and I am considering keeping it just the way it is in the raw frame and hanging it up...

"Cough, cough sorry Dave the NES was a total loss - I told you it was a gamble..."  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on April 26, 2012, 06:40:20 AM
LOL .. See I knew you holding them hostage!!  ;)

Maybe after all this I will get myself motivated to move forward in my home project of frame building. I have some quads and other art pieces that are just too big for stock frames. This may be just just the motivation that I need! 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 26, 2012, 10:25:21 PM
Update Matt's BC Daybill:

This one I have to say this one came out really well; dare I call it a perfect backing job... (click to enlarge)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/matts_backings/poster1_04262012.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/matts_backings/poster1_04262012.jpg)

Update Dave's NOES Quad:

It's backed and went really well. I washed with orvus, CT-bleached the back because of two dark stains near the hat, soaked in CaCO3, and rinsed with distilled water.  It seems to be all coming together with ease now..

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster1_04262012-1.jpg)

Liked this shot...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster1_04262012-2.jpg)

Update on my international Almost Famous:

Got a DS INTL OS for Almost Famous that had a corner ding; I was afraid it would eventually get pulled off.  I used acid free archival paper tape but am not sure I ever told anyone how useful it is...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/papertape1.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/papertape2.jpg)

Update on Pulpfixin.com:

So I mentioned a while back that I registered www.pulpfixin.com (also snagged pulpfixing.com too) so my daughter was sick today and I had some time to play.  Made a collage with cut up QT posters; had the fake Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown and Dusk til Dawn Video poster and a few others.  Let me know what you think... 

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/fullart.jpg)

Can't make up my mind which of the next two would be a better logo. Help?

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/cropart1.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/cropart2.jpg)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on April 26, 2012, 10:57:14 PM
Great work on the backing and website, sir.  You're a true inspiration for all DIYers.   happy1

Cool concept for the logo.  Out of the two lower ones, both are cool, the overall art in the upper looks better, as it's not cropped as much, but the lettering of the lower one is good because it's easier to read the letters.  Maybe a hybrid of the 2 would be best.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 26, 2012, 11:25:32 PM
Awesome job on Raquel! Can't see the fold lines anywhere.

IMHO on the logo - it's difficult to read the logo when it is on top of a collage of images below. Perhaps a heavy keyline round the logo or fade out the background, maybe a white opaque wash over the top of the background (or similar).
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: skyjackers on April 27, 2012, 05:55:13 AM
Like the logo but the i's are very hard to read, maybe swap them out for something else. Nice idea though.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 28, 2012, 09:17:46 PM
So I thought I would try something different.  It was suggest that I play with Wordpress for my poster collection site and, although it is simple, I created something similar for www.pulpfixin.com.  I am also referencing each post with an ID so that anyone who has me do something for them they can simply search by ID... I am also creating a report for each poster as has been suggested.

Check it out; I am no blogger by any means but this seems to be a good way to share info...

http://www.pulpfixin.com/

Oh yeah, Chip_Guy your posters are done so you might want to click the link.  Plus I found a few more freebies; one I can't pick up until the 6th from Oreilly's...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 28, 2012, 09:23:50 PM
Looking good Charlie on all accounts. thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 28, 2012, 09:24:48 PM
Looking good Charlie on all accounts. thumbup

I did an example report on your poster; I need to PDF it and then I'll post it here and on the blog...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on April 28, 2012, 09:24:58 PM
Yowza!

I was out of town for a few days and all I can say is ...

Yowza!

Nice Charlie. Very Nice. How do I sign up?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 28, 2012, 09:26:34 PM
I did an example report on your poster; I need to PDF it and then I'll post it here and on the blog...

Cool!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 28, 2012, 09:32:20 PM
Nice Charlie. Very Nice. How do I sign up?

I have no idea... I'll see what I can find.  I guess there are those RSS feed things, right?  I don't blog or check them without a static address... 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CJ138 on April 28, 2012, 09:56:47 PM
Man, no half stepping with the NOES quad.  What is the Neverending Story poster in the back? A one sheet?

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 28, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
I did an example report on your poster; I need to PDF it and then I'll post it here and on the blog...

Ok check it out and let me know what else it may need.... Everyone is welcome to chime in.

http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/matts_backings/Conservation1.pdf
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 28, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
Ok check it out and let me know what else it may need....

Only another 50 or so daybills to be backed...how much time have you got on your hands? ;D

Very professionally done mate!  clap
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 28, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
Man, no half stepping with the NOES quad.  What is the Neverending Story poster in the back? A one sheet?



Another quad...  Fun; man the blues on the NOES is tough... 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 29, 2012, 01:00:39 AM
NOES is done!  Another day to dry and I'll cut it down and take the better shot...

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2012/04/29/41/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on April 29, 2012, 08:41:03 AM
Your link didnt work .. It took a little effort but I found this !!! :)

Looks Good! Cant wait to see it up close and personal!!

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/2012-04-28_23-20-21_828.jpg

Here is a good shot showing the fold wear before restore

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/2012-04-28_22-17-45_891.jpg
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on April 29, 2012, 08:48:16 AM
Wow .. going through the progress pic of NOES is awesome. One tip for photographing .. if I may ;) .. If Im above the poster .. I always turn my camera upside down so that I dont have a bunch of photos that I have to rotate in some software after the fact ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 29, 2012, 10:39:30 AM
Great work Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 29, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
Progress?

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2012/04/30/a-busy-day-of-backing/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on April 29, 2012, 11:06:59 PM
Outstanding work, Charlie!
 clap clap clap clap clap clap
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on April 29, 2012, 11:25:18 PM
The new site is looking awesome Charlie!!! I love the before and after pictures, my 57 turned out much better then I expected it would... If you would have told me it turned into soup I would not have been surprised.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 30, 2012, 12:00:19 AM
Nice work Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 30, 2012, 08:23:07 PM
OK guys you have to check our work out on the NOES.  With the backing and touchups it took about and hour to back (wash, CT, deacid) and 3 hours to touch-up both of us going most times.  We revisited a few times.  We would work of a part and come back.  We did 99% with water soluble sticks and I had to do the lettering (mostly the black in between) with gauche (opaque) water colors. Not all the folds are completely undetectable but the majority are.  I had to work hard on the face and am very proud of it.  My wife there for a while just handed me colors (cause I am colorblind :))... I kept referring to one of them specifically as Juicy Blue... Give me the "Juicy Blue". It was a great learning experience.  So with out further delay the Before & After Pictures... Click to enlarge.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster1_BAA_thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster1_BAA.jpg)

I think Dave got a hell of a deal!  Now if it just rolls up nicely.  I am so scared to roll them for some reason... They are very tight when first taken off the frame...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on April 30, 2012, 08:44:14 PM
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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on April 30, 2012, 08:55:56 PM
Looks great!! Youve been doing some really nice work Charlie! I cant wait to see you else you have in store for me!! :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 30, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
Updated the Blog....

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2012/04/30/41/

Hey I want to give shout outs to the better backers in my other page I am creating...

Here is a list I have started:

Dario
Dan (backing to future)
Poster Conservation
Poster Science
The one Jeff just recomended.

Who else should I add?

Pretty much want people to know I am not trying to use the site in other fashion to inform and have fun...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on May 01, 2012, 12:44:34 AM
It was a great learning experience.  So with out further delay the Before & After Pictures... Click to enlarge.

Wow again.

After watching what you have done not only am I extremely impressed but you have convinced me I should not give this a try...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: teamweapon on May 01, 2012, 04:50:39 PM
OK guys you have to check our work out on the NOES.  With the backing and touchups it took about and hour to back (wash, CT, deacid) and 3 hours to touch-up both of us going most times.  We revisited a few times.  We would work of a part and come back.  We did 99% with water soluble sticks and I had to do the lettering (mostly the black in between) with gauche (opaque) water colors. Not all the folds are completely undetectable but the majority are.  I had to work hard on the face and am very proud of it.  My wife there for a while just handed me colors (cause I am colorblind :))... I kept referring to one of them specifically as Juicy Blue... Give me the "Juicy Blue". It was a great learning experience.  So with out further delay the Before & After Pictures... Click to enlarge.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster1_BAA_thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster1_BAA.jpg)

I think Dave got a hell of a deal!  Now if it just rolls up nicely.  I am so scared to roll them for some reason... They are very tight when first taken off the frame...

HOLY CRAP!
thats VERY impressive, i need to follow in your footsteps grass hopper  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on May 01, 2012, 05:21:15 PM
Yeah Charlie and his waif are doing a great job!! I cant wait to get the posters back .. I am sure I will have an strong desire to get at least 2 -3 framed up and hanging so that I can finally appreciate them!! :)

Oh and Charlie, I saw in your blog that you guessed that I had multiples of NOES and thats why I was willing to send this one to you. That is incorrect ! :) I do not have multiples of any of those posters!! I just figured why not .. if it worked out they would look great and if not .. Its just a poster I can spend another 4 years finding new copies ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 01, 2012, 05:37:43 PM
I do not have multiples of any of those posters!! I just figured why not .. if it worked out they would look great and if not .. Its just a poster I can spend another 4 years finding new copies ;)

The pressure is on now... ;)... 

The GWTW ESB cleaned up nicely; you can still tell the yellowed area upon close inspection but at times with your eyes unfocused it all looks the same and is very close to white...  After that effort I started researching more into bleaching paper found some old UK conservator papers on different bleaching methods.  Thank God I washed that thing with a lot of water for a long time after bleaching; 1.0 liters/minute for 24 minutes was recommended (if I recall); I was going gallons per minute...  I could have also improved the chemistry by soaking in diluted solutions of vinegar and then alcohol prior to another deacidification and wash.  I did let it sit in the CaCO3 for around 30 minutes after bleaching so that should help buffer the remaining acids and stop the chloramine from deteriorating the cellulose...  I need two more washing bins before I bleach again just to be safe...  And I am going to try Calcium Hydroxide for the deacidification instead of CaCO3...  Lots to learn but what I am learning is that experience does appear to be the best teacher here.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 02, 2012, 12:34:58 AM
OK so experimented with paperfills tonight but with placing bits of paper versus paper pulp...  I have to say it was a lot easier than I thought it would be...  The little teflon bone burnished away my fears pretty quickly...  So Dirty Harry has three new corners!!! Let em dry, touch em up, and done...  Well i might put some fill in the pin holes...  ;D

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/DIrtyHarryB2/lowerright.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/DIrtyHarryB2/upperright.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/lb_stuff/DIrtyHarryB2/upperleft.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 06, 2012, 05:17:57 PM
Well the Never Ending Story is done and cut down.  I have to say that as a perfectionist I am not totally satisfied with the touch-ups.  We got the colors matched but experience what I am calling "raw fold sucktion"; Where the fold draws or sucks in more color than you want it to and from different angles the fold appears to be darker than it really is (from the angle you want it to be seen at)...  This did not happen on the NOES so I am not sure what the case was with the NES.  Perhaps there where some deeper pits in the folds or something.  Maybe I am being to hard on myself.  It still looks great.

Also, criticism would be really great at this point.  Do we suck (my wife is helping)? Are we doing so so?  I have never sent a poster that had folds to be backed and touched up so I have no frame of reference.  Pictures don't always tell the whole story so those of you that have sent stuff out please chime in with you stories and/or expectations... I would really appreciate it...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster5_05062012_baa_small.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster5_05062012_baa.jpg)

Started touching up the ESB GWTW OS but we had to stop; there are some blues and blue-greys on there that we simply don't have in 260 plus colors.  I hate to start mixing paint so we are going to hit the art store on Monday/Tuesday to see if they have any other shades...  The flat watercolors would really stand out on the shiny paper...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on May 06, 2012, 05:20:01 PM
Awesome Charlie.

Stew
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on May 06, 2012, 05:55:01 PM
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From what I've heard, the fold lines are impossible to touch up perfectly on glossy stock.  Good work.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on May 06, 2012, 06:21:41 PM
Almost right, Neo. There is some stuff you can spray over the entire poster that evens out the light reflection.

Most auction houses love it, because it hides restoration. How good it will be in 10 years to have some stuff sprayed over the entire surface remains to be seen.

Bruce
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on May 06, 2012, 07:28:58 PM
There is some stuff you can spray over the entire poster that evens out the light reflection.

Some restorers use hair spray... Another reason linen backing doesn't add much value - you might get a sprayed one.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 06, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
Some restorers use hair spray... Another reason linen backing doesn't add much value - you might get a sprayed one.



Wow? Hair Spray that can't be good...  I've heard of an archival workable fixative being applied (that can be erased off) to lock the water colors down as well as a matte finish (probably acrylic).  I imagine if you sprayed the entire thing with matte acrylic finish that it might actually work to reduce glare issues.  Now should you spray some type of fixitive to prevent water colors from rubbing off?  I know I gave Jon the option to lighten up blacks on his fighter poster by just wetting a q-tip.  But what about it laying there in storage; should the colors be locked down? Now you are giving me ideas to try Bruce...

That leads me to two good questions.

First: My wife and I were have a discussion last night while working on the GWTW ESB and the fold that runs though Leia's shirt.  I was of the opinion we should attempt to eliminate the folds, she said that she appreciated the poster for what it was and that placing color to just reduce distraction (vs. eliminating a fold) made it more genuine.  To hide the folds, a lot of color would have to go down and I guess I can see her point. It is a folded poster how perfect should it be?  I guess it depends on what the person having it done wants.  Opinions?

Second: Ted, others, and I were discussing LB in chat the other night and there seemed to be a differing of opinion regarding use of reversible processes.  Some were of the opinion that its not really revesible as the poster would have to be re-backed even if the old backing was removed (true).  But what about touch-ups? I recall that there was talk that if it looked good why would you worry about reversibility?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 06, 2012, 08:29:27 PM
Charlie, posters are looking good!


Second: Ted, others, and I were discussing LB in chat the other night and there seemed to be a differing of opinion regarding use of reversible processes.  Some were of the opinion that its not really revesible as the poster would have to be re-backed even if the old backing was removed (true).  But what about touch-ups? I recall that there was talk that if it looked good why would you worry about reversibility?  Thoughts?

I know that you would need to reback the poster if it was reversible anyways.

However, in my opinion. I am not really concerned about the reversibility, AS long as it looks good.  If it looks good, then I am happy as its part of my collection. I would not be worried about the reversibility, but more over as to like what Bruce had said of what it looks like down the road.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on May 06, 2012, 10:59:39 PM
Great job on the paper fill Charlie - you'll be a pro in no time!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on May 07, 2012, 10:34:31 AM
I think your work looks great Charlie, I don't believe any restoration is going to be "perfect" unless you do work to the entire poster to match/blend all of the colors. So I think NES looks awesome int he pics!

As for the ESB .. That is a tough one, a poster can look aged and authentic and it lends to the character of the piece, making it something more than just a shiny new poster, but in a "collectibles" world everyone is all about condition. Now as nice as the ESB poster is anyone can buy another copy at any given time. They are all over the place, so if you had a choice between an old folded worn one that looked theater used or another prefect rolled copy, which would the buyer prefer? Assuming that cost is not an issue, I believe most wold opt for the rolled version. So with that in mind I would think that restoration would be the better route with this kind of poster. Now if they weren't as plentiful, it may be something to consider, so youd back the poster, so as to prevent it from degrading any further and not do any restoration so that the natural beauty of the poster can be appreciated.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on May 07, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
I think it is so cool that your wife is involved. 
Most women would leave their poster-obsessed husbands to their own distractions, but you guys have made this a family affair.
Nothing but good can come of this.
 cheers
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 07, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
Hey Charlie,
Would you ever make a video for youtube and show us how its done? (washing, linen backing, process, touching up, etc)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Der Januskopf on May 07, 2012, 03:09:44 PM
Hey Charlie,
Would you ever make a video for youtube and show us how its done? (washing, linen backing, process, touching up, etc)



And if you need any video pointers, Chris Cloutier (Posterfix) has a whole series on youtube, too.   :-X
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on May 07, 2012, 05:46:35 PM
Hiya! Sorry! I am very late for Charlies Linen Backing party.

So I had a look at some of the images and here's what I see.

Of course these are friendly pointers!

1. You want as much natural day light as possible. It looks like you guys are working in the evening with a single light?  :o
If schedule allows work in day time? open the curtains flood the room with as much natural light as possible for as accurate match as possible.

Two! right, a bit dark in the room, but I am trying to make out what you are using for touch ups. My guess is Caran d'Ache Neocolor II? If so, these are very soft/creamy/Oil based. They won dry, they will smudge any time, even few years down the road. They are reversible, but they most likely will leave oil stains in the tracks after removing. Also they are not really fine point. You want something with a super fine point for better detail and less intrusive fold touch ups.

I use Faber-Castell Albrecht Durer Watercolor Pencils.

Anyhow, I am starting to feel like a party pooper. Maybe this should be my last post.

All the best,
dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 07, 2012, 07:31:36 PM
Hiya! Sorry! I am very late for Charlies Linen Backing party.

So I had a look at some of the images and here's what I see.

Of course these are friendly pointers!

1. You want as much natural day light as possible. It looks like you guys are working in the evening with a single light?  :o
If schedule allows work in day time? open the curtains flood the room with as much natural light as possible for as accurate match as possible.

Two! right, a bit dark in the room, but I am trying to make out what you are using for touch ups. My guess is Caran d'Ache Neocolor II? If so, these are very soft/creamy/Oil based. They won dry, they will smudge any time, even few years down the road. They are reversible, but they most likely will leave oil stains in the tracks after removing. Also they are not really fine point. You want something with a super fine point for better detail and less intrusive fold touch ups.

I use Faber-Castell Albrecht Durer Watercolor Pencils.

Anyhow, I am starting to feel like a party pooper. Maybe this should be my last post.

All the best,
dario.

All I can do is chuckle... Thanks for the tips Dario, as always... We have been using a mix of Dewert Water Color pencils and the Neocolor II.  I tested the NeoIIs and they were very much reversible; I even redid the tear on the NES twice to get the greens right; not sure about the "stains' though.  I guess I'll have to stop using them....  They were so nice though. 

Dave, since these two are a now complete loss; I'll be happy to toss em for you.  I am sure I can find a spot for them on the wall where they won't get smudged.  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 07, 2012, 07:33:48 PM
Hey Charlie,
Would you ever make a video for youtube and show us how its done? (washing, linen backing, process, touching up, etc)



Yeah I was thinking I should do some skits and make fun of Cloture and some of the other backers...  The first one would have to be on Cloture for sure.  I was thinking of opening from a ladder in a leisure suit holding a cup of coffee.  I'd do an opening to the music from Unforgiven;  wait I shouldn't give it all away.  I might have some fun with this....
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 08, 2012, 07:07:55 AM
Come on guys I need a "don't worry about it Charlie" or something...  I know Dario seems to be the final word on here but he's making it sound way worse than it is... I bet he's a republican (for Ted)...  "oil" - "wax"  there is no difference.  Oil is not soluble...  What really sucks is those cost like $200. I might do some more testing/research before tossing them out.  Thoughts?  Maybe a smudge test and stain test?

Dario, do you actually know if the Neocolors will stain or just assuming they will?  I could see how traditional 'oil' pastels might stain...but these aren't those.  And doesn't even regular water color leave pigments behind upon removal?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on May 08, 2012, 07:14:45 AM
I agree with Dario, I have a 3 drawer set of the Durer's they are great watercolor pencils with a high quality pigments for great color



Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on May 08, 2012, 02:25:08 PM
Hi Charlie,

I read this,

<<<< Also, criticism would be really great at this point.  Do we suck (my wife is helping)? Are we doing so so?  I have never sent a poster that had folds to be backed and touched up so I have no frame of reference.  Pictures don't always tell the whole story so those of you that have sent stuff out please chime in with you stories and/or expectations... I would really appreciate it... >>>>

Not criticizing you, but felt a few valuable pointers would be good. Also, I don't have the final words here, I'd hate to thinks so.
You are certainly free to do what ever/how ever is fit for your style of work.

I personally and I don't know anyone else that use or would use creamy oil sticks for fold work. just to soft and it doesn't  give you that pin point accuracy. I would assume leaving that on there, it would/could stain the paper after a few years? I don't know for sure and I wouldn't risk it. That's why I said in previous post <<<<but they most likely will leave oil stains in the tracks after removing >>>> I am Sorry if that came across worse than it really is.

End of the day, all good!

All the best,
dario.

PS: thanks 50's for confirming the top notch quality of Faber-Castell Albrecht Durer Watercolor Pencils. More money than most brands, but well worth it!

PSS: I am not Republican, I am Canadian! moron1, but looking in from the outside. I would vote Obama! :)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 08, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Hi Charlie,

I read this,

<<<< Also, criticism would be really great at this point.  Do we suck (my wife is helping)? Are we doing so so?  I have never sent a poster that had folds to be backed and touched up so I have no frame of reference.  Pictures don't always tell the whole story so those of you that have sent stuff out please chime in with you stories and/or expectations... I would really appreciate it... >>>>

Not criticizing you, but felt a few valuable pointers would be good. Also, I don't have the final words here, I'd hate to thinks so.
You are certainly free to do what ever/how ever is fit for your style of work.

I personally and I don't know anyone else that use or would use creamy oil sticks for fold work. just to soft and it doesn't  give you that pin point accuracy. I would assume leaving that on there, it would/could stain the paper after a few years? I don't know for sure and I wouldn't risk it. That's why I said in previous post <<<<but they most likely will leave oil stains in the tracks after removing >>>> I am Sorry if that came across worse than it really is.

End of the day, all good!

All the best,
dario.

PS: thanks 50's for confirming the top notch quality of Faber-Castell Albrecht Durer Watercolor Pencils. More money than most brands, but well worth it!

PSS: I am not Republican, I am Canadian! moron1, but looking in from the outside. I would vote Obama! :)



Hey Dario, I very much appreciate the comments. And I hope I didn't come off brash.  I am going to take your advice and move away from these.  But where the tension might exist in my comments are from being confused about the "oil" comments since the NEO2s are made of water soluble wax, and not oil...  They are very dry. They aren't quite creamy, no more than a soft water color pencils.  The material can be moved with a rubbing of the finger and buffed with a cotton ball, but someone would have to really work at it to smudge it.  In a lack of confidence, I went back to the NES and rubbed one of the touched-up areas and it did not smudge at all.

I am also not sure why a stain, if it does make a stain as you suggest, would quite matter in this case.  Especially if it is under the touched-up area.  And worse case if you are removing the touch-up, you will probably be reversing the backing and will wash the poster again anyways.  In fact, in additional research, the only water color pencils that dissolve completely in water (and don't leave granulated pigments behind) are the Faber-Castells, so kudos to you and Steve.

Actually, the real concern should be "wax bloom" and not really any of the other stuff as I have been googling my ass off to see if they have "oil" in them.  Apparently if a fixative is not added, the wax can bloom a white powder.  Similar to the white powder that covers some of the tips. So the wax pastel are definitely out with that bit of knowledge...  Luckily, I've only used them on the two quads and there is a remedy.  I will have to apply a recommended workable fixative which is matte finish.  So I will get to spray away my reflection issues.  Bruce predicted it!

Dario, if you are up for one more tip:  Do you recommend or use any type of fixitive?

Thanks,

Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 08, 2012, 03:49:43 PM
Check out this artwork done with the NeoIIs.  They can be sharpened; I had to use my carpentry pencil sharpener to get a point for the finer work on the two quads...  Thought I would share since these were awesome...

http://rdcreative.co.uk/uploads/general/Water_soluble_pastels_with_mixed_media9.pdf
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on May 08, 2012, 05:42:29 PM
I do remember talking about this a long time ago.

Caran D’Ache NeoArt Water soluble Pastels being wax and Caran D’Ache Neocolor II being Oil. So I did a search just now and found this.

Caran D’Ache Neocolor II Artists Crayons
The product name describes them well– they look like crayons, feel like crayons, but are softer, extremely pigmented, and versatile in application. The fact that they’re oil-based makes them harder to writer over than the wax-based NeoArt pastels, so keep that in mind if you like to art journal. They’re available in a super-impressive 128-color range, including metallics. Unlike some of the other products reviewed here, the Neocolor II’s don’t become brighter with water; they’re equally pigmented whether wet or dry. And just to emphasize, the Neocolor II’s are extremely pigmented.


No I don't use fixative or any spray of any kind at all. The only thing I would spray on paper is Wei'to

Best,
dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 08, 2012, 06:05:36 PM
And the plot thickens.  I have a set of NeoIIs that have Water Soluble Wax on the box versus when googling Caran D’Ache Neocolor II Artist Crayons I found a
a box that doesn't have wax or oil on it...

(http://www.donnadowney.com/shop/images/P/cnd7500-340_lg.gif)

(http://www.artstore.co.uk/img/shp/10-Caran-D-Ache-Neocolor-II-Pastel-Set_XL.jpg)

I've been googling this hard because I really did my homework (or thought I did) before buying these (well minus the wax bloom issue; oops) and even pulled info off your site and Dan's (the backing future guy) site regarding mentioning water soluble sticks (?? Why not water color pencils?). The company brochure says wax pastel.  I've also found some artist's site that basically say they have no clue if it is wax or oil...  I'll have to e-mail them.

http://www.carandache.ch/filedownload.lbl?url=/CDA08/PDF/FA/Brochure/Depl_tech_NEOCOLOR.pdf

But this may all be a mute point because one would have to apply fixative, which I always thought was a no-no.  Yeah it technically can be erased off but that would do some damage on its own... We picked up a bunch of water color pencils at lunch for the blues on the ESB. Luckily I had only applied a thin line of the wax pastel which can be removed since it is still on the frame without issue...    

Thanks again Dario!

If you still want to chip in (and you can always PM me):  CaOH2 or CaCO3?  and CaClO2 or Chlormine-T?  I am leaning towards CaOH2 and CaClO2... and Acetic Acid baths...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on May 08, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
Mute points are always better left unsaid.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 08, 2012, 10:48:01 PM
Mute points are always better left unsaid.

You got me...  Moot is the word I should have left unsaid... :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 08, 2012, 10:50:15 PM
So I stopped by and got some Krylon Workable Matte Finish and sprayed the two quads... I can definetly see why some backers would want to use this stuff it made all the shiny contrast almost disappear.  The posters look even better...  Else the quads and wax/oil pastel are locked down...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on May 08, 2012, 10:50:45 PM
my Mutter always told me not to leave things unsaid.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on May 09, 2012, 01:10:45 PM
So I stopped by and got some Krylon Workable Matte Finish and sprayed the two quads... I can definetly see why some backers would want to use this stuff it made all the shiny contrast almost disappear.  The posters look even better...  Else the quads and wax/oil pastel are locked down...

Charlie,

Is this Krylon spray removable? To spray a matte finish spray on a retouched poster is something I have never read about on any restorer's or linen backer's website, as a finishing option. Have you found some that use this product? Just on it's face, to spray an entire poster with this kind of product that will also "seal" everything in place seems like a no no, from a conservation POV, especially.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 09, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
Charlie,

Is this Krylon spray removable? To spray a matte finish spray on a retouched poster is something I have never read about on any restorer's or linen backer's website, as a finishing option. Have you found some that use this product? Just on it's face, to spray an entire poster with this kind of product that will also "seal" everything in place seems like a no no, from a conservation POV, especially.



Well I think the conservation POV depends on what is desired as a concept of the restoration.  The fixative is acid free and archival safe; so it will not do damage to the poster conservation-wise.  Artist use the fixatives on all types of work to prevent smudging etc.  

-So when one says POV; is the restorer's job to just preserve the paper.  If so why even do touch-ups?  

-Is the job of a restorer to preserve the paper and then through archival methods make it looks its best? Then I can see an archival fixative as an option.  But can it truly be removed?  A bit scary here.  It erased pretty easy but who wants to erase it off of 1200 square inches of poster.  However it did make the two quads look amazingly uniform.  And it is archival and acid free.  So to me the question that should be asked would be; is there a way to wash the fixative off if so desired later. That may change things.

My personal thoughts are starting to lean more towards almost doing nothing; like a European style backing... Putting make up on a poster doesn't make it really any better.  You will wake up the next day with a beat up poster on the wall in a pretty dress.  But if someone asked me to do it or I was forced to do it because of my "wax" oversight; is the poster any less conserved; No IMO.  Is it less original; Yes.  It just has more make-up on.  Now if you used a non-archival product like hair spray that would be a different story.  

So for professionals who don't like to use it - is that really for him to decide or for his client to decide.  I see it as the same as selecting options post backing and that is a personal choice...

The real issue with all of this as I am learning (and Steve has been telling us all) is how to know what exactly has been done to a poster that has been backed.  How do you know what options have been selected so you can make a choice in a resale situation. This was one of my aims with the report on the One Million Year B.C. report.  More to come I keep getting an error...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 09, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
report ... and I think Ed from Lamp had generated a checklist as well.  I was actually thinking of investigation invisible ink that would illuminate under blacklight and literally stamping on the masa paper near the border an ID number that would reference to a blog.  Kind of like the DNA stuff from that authenticators place...  Then anyone whom ever wanted that poster or went to resale that poster could reference a report detailing the process it underwent. 

Here are the Krylon Specs.

http://www.krylon.com/products/paper_finishes_workable_fixatif/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 09, 2012, 03:23:18 PM
That was a weird error situation...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 09, 2012, 03:27:17 PM
Dan from Backing to the Future states he uses Krylon Workable Fixatives and or clear matted to finish the poster. As stated on his website...

http://www.backingtothefuture.com/services/

Quote

Products Used

I use a 12 ounce Indian acid free canvas. This provides a durable solid foundation that can be easily rolled for shipping and storage.

The paper used is a Japanese Masa paper that is acid free and makes for an excellent buffer between the movie poster and the canvas.

The glue is made from a wheat starch adhesive that is prepared by hand.

The pigments used are Stabilo Softcolour water soluable colour sticks. I also use Cotman Water Colours and other brands of paint when airbrushing is required.

I use Workable Fixative and/or Clear Matte to finish the poster and prevent smudging.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: jayn_j on May 09, 2012, 03:28:30 PM
FWIW, we used thie Krylon fixative heavily in my parent's photgraphy business.  It worked well in protecting touch up work we did on photos for spot removal, and retouching.  It also came in several finishes to match the photo paper.

Now, it may interfere with some person's idea of "originality", but I would think no more than linenbacking, fold elimination, paper replacement or anything else we do to restore older paper.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 09, 2012, 03:30:51 PM
FWIW, we used thie Krylon fixative heavily in my parent's photgraphy business.  It worked well in protecting touch up work we did on photos for spot removal, and retouching.  It also came in several finishes to match the photo paper.

Now, it may interfere with some person's idea of "originality", but I would think no more than linenbacking, fold elimination, paper replacement or anything else we do to restore older paper.

Excellent point...  If it doesn't hurt the paper then the originality is the only remaining question and personal preference...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 09, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
Check this out:

Security marker pens or UV Markers with fluorescent ink that glows when illuminated with a UV light may be used to invisibly mark valuable household items in case of burglary. They may be especially formulated for writing on non-porous surfaces such as glass, plastics, etc. The inks are applied and then identified using a black light or other UV light source. The owner of a recovered, stolen item which has been marked in this way can be traced simply by using an ultraviolet lamp. Security marker pens can be obtained commercially and are widely used as a crime countermeasure.

Going to have to stop at Office Depot on the way home... :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: jayn_j on May 09, 2012, 03:46:39 PM
Excellent point...  If it doesn't hurt the paper then the originality is the only remaining question and personal preference...

FWIW, I have photgraphs that are now 60 years old that have had fixitive applied.  No signs of discoloration, cracking or any other deterioration.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on May 09, 2012, 11:20:47 PM
Recently, I pulled out a box of older pencil illustrations that I had spritzed with common hairspray to prevent smudging.
I was surprised how white they had remained over the years. The only discoloration was aging on the edges and the corners where they had been taped to my drawing board.
They actually looked brighter and crisper than pics that I had not sprayed.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 10, 2012, 04:48:00 PM
Hold on, What is a fixative and why is it bad?

Also, Charlie, You sprayed the quads and said they looked better. Do you have pics with the spray to show comparison?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 10, 2012, 05:14:36 PM
Also, Charlie, You sprayed the quads and said they looked better. Do you have pics with the spray to show comparison?

Nope, I didn't manage to take pics.  And I just shipped them off today...  They didn't look any better front on, but from other angles the folds were less visible and the medium had virtually disappeared glare-wise...   
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 11, 2012, 10:40:24 PM
I added a status page to my site (http://pulpfixin.com/blog/status-page/).  Do you guys know of any other backers out there that have something like this.  I've been trying to brainstorm come up with ways to take things to a different level...  I also did this so I can stick my personal backing place holders in there since this why I started this madness.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on May 11, 2012, 11:53:57 PM
The site (and restorations) look great Charlie! 

To answer your question, I know Dario provides before/during/after photos if you request them. And poster mountain has an online database. You can browse by title and see some of the restoration pics. However, they are just tiny web photos. To get the full report with big pics the client is given a login password.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 12, 2012, 12:10:24 AM
NeverEnding Story is up:

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2012/05/12/neverending-story-british-quad-004a/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 12, 2012, 12:26:32 AM
I decided to play with steam to help remove old brown paper tape off the back of some of my posters. It worked really well.  And if you guys haven't tried Blue Moon Beer it is a really nice Belgian. 

Here are some pics.

Hang em' High 40" x 60"
(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-05-07_20-15-22_81.jpg)
(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-05-07_20-15-40_887.jpg)
(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-05-07_20-19-00_111.jpg)

Star is Born Insert w/Snipe
(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-05-07_20-21-01_46.jpg)
(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-05-07_20-22-07_22.jpg)
(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-05-07_20-22-14_960.jpg)
(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-05-07_20-25-59_445.jpg)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on May 12, 2012, 02:44:19 AM
Well done Charlie for trying different techniques and sharing the results. I am wondering, did the steam leach any brown out of the tape onto the paper (might be a bit hard to tell I guess)? If so, maybe try half the tape with steam and the other half bestine to see if there is any difference. thumbup


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on May 12, 2012, 02:57:49 AM
Well done Charlie for trying different techniques and sharing the results. I am wondering, did the steam leach any brown out of the tape onto the paper (might be a bit hard to tell I guess)? If so, maybe try half the tape with steam and the other half bestine to see if there is any difference. thumbup

Dito!

Btw, love your Av Steve.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on May 12, 2012, 11:48:55 AM
What is that thing you are using Charlie?  Some sort of steamer?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 12, 2012, 03:40:22 PM
What is that thing you are using Charlie?  Some sort of steamer?

Yep. It is used to remove wallpaper...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 12, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
Well done Charlie for trying different techniques and sharing the results. I am wondering, did the steam leach any brown out of the tape onto the paper (might be a bit hard to tell I guess)? If so, maybe try half the tape with steam and the other half bestine to see if there is any difference. thumbup




Hey Steve,  not all the adhesive came up, but it appears to be water based so when I wash these any browning will come off.  However I didn't really notice any brown stuff.  I'll have to find another poster with some tape to try it out on...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: kovacs01 on May 13, 2012, 01:43:09 AM
Blue Moon Beer it is a really nice Belgian. 

Belgian???  Its made by Coors, which is in Colorado last time I checked.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: skyjackers on May 13, 2012, 03:28:28 AM
The last time I checked Coors brewery was also in Burton-On-Trent, in the middle of the UK.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: kovacs01 on May 13, 2012, 03:56:24 AM
The last time I checked Coors brewery was also in Burton-On-Trent, in the middle of the UK.

True, the former Bass, and I know Coors bought up Molson too, so I assume they have some stuff in Canada as well.  But Blue Moon is American brewed.

Though to Charlies credit, I knew what he meant.  It is marketed as a "Belgian style" wheat beer.  But it is that just as much as Corona is Mexican (also Coors).

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 13, 2012, 08:43:56 AM
I guess Belgian style is more appropriate.  I went through a whole IPA/cask phase when me and my buddy would hit one of those coffee house brewery bars. There are so many matketed now I lose track.  Blue Moon is the best stuff IMO you can buy in a 12 pack at a standard grocery store.  The outmeal stouts and German pilsniers of the world require a trip to one of the larger liquor/wine markets... and then you have to remember the name of that beer you were drinking that had five or six descriptors versus two... lol
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on May 13, 2012, 09:17:13 AM
Corona isnt Mexican ?!?!  :o
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on May 13, 2012, 09:56:34 AM
After you drink a 12 pack of Blue Moon, do you start speaking Belgian?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on May 13, 2012, 12:02:40 PM
After you drink a 12 pack of Blue Moon, do you start speaking Belgian?

 laugh1

A 12-pack of Blue Moon has me saying "Klaatu barada nikto!"
Obviously Belgian.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on May 13, 2012, 12:34:00 PM
After you drink a 12 pack of Blue Moon, do you start speaking Belgian?

cheers

 laugh1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Der Januskopf on May 13, 2012, 12:40:23 PM
After you drink a 12 pack of Blue Moon, do you start speaking Belgian?

That happens, too, if Belgian happens to be your mother('s) tongue.   :P

 laugh1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on May 13, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
Yep. It is used to remove wallpaper...

Interesting.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 16, 2012, 08:02:45 AM
All of Dave's posters are backed!  woohoo

Did the Lost Boys and the Point Break.

Lost Boys

First to remove the duck/duct tape residue on the reverse.  What a bitch ended up having to gently work up the back layer to get it all off...  Plus it really made the corners fragile during backing.  After soaking for a while the entire top left panel started getting extremely fragile crazy fragile.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/05152012-1.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/05152012-2.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/05152012-3.jpg)

Before pic: 
(http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/008A_Back.jpg)

When wet see the corners...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/05152012-4.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/05152012-6.jpg)

Point Break was much easier...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/05152012-7.jpg)

Pretty cool shot of them both drying.
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/05152012-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on May 16, 2012, 08:20:40 AM
Lookin' pretty awesome!! :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 17, 2012, 11:24:15 AM
OK guys need some input.  It seems like after applying any watercolor medium (watercolor by brush, watercolor by pencil, etc) that the application comes out matte on a shiny poster and the only way to hide it is with the fixative.  I've tried adding gum arabic and that produces a sheen but it gets sticky and also dries different than when wet and often still a different finish than the poster.  

I was looking at several 1975 - now examples from Bruce's mini/major and unless the photos lie they seem to be all sprayed or is there a technique I am missing?  I tried the burnishing of the touch-ups as Dario suggested and yes it does help but not enough to hide the work.  I also went back and checked Dario's work on T's Suspiria and you can actually see the contrast on the folds he touched up. I don't think he worked on the reds though; T?

One technique that seems to work, is by taking a blending stick with a moistened tips and making a burnishing movement over the folds/crease to remove any excess.  This worked on the Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. But on significantly broken folds it can catch and perhaps worsen the situation...  

I am assuming that the same matte finish will appear with an airbrush application too...

I am going to the art store with my airbrush tomorrow; the better of my two guns didn't work.   The guy said bring it in and he can see what is going on.  So maybe news on that front this weekend...  I was thinking that adding gum arabic to a watercolor mix and applying it through an air brush may actually solve this enigma.  

That or just leave it matte finish...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 17, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
In my opinion, If I were to get something linenbacked. I would prefer whatever method works the best to make the poster look the best. As long as it is an archival solution. Then I wouldn't care if you use fixative (assuming the poster will look better).
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 17, 2012, 05:08:24 PM
In my opinion, If I were to get something linenbacked. I would prefer whatever method works the best to make the poster look the best. As long as it is an archival solution. Then I wouldn't care if you use fixative (assuming the poster will look better).

I hate to lean this way but I am starting to with the modern posters.  Like Chris has been saying; I need to do some older paper - but somehow have not managed to yet.

I feel like there is a void out there; like I need to survey all the known backers and report back...  Maybe an anonymous survey...  Like a research paper.  Now I just need a conference to submit it to... :)  I've looked on over 15 backer's websites and only one reports the use of a fixative...  But on some of them you can tell from the before and after, just based on the sheen.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 17, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
Ask Poster Mountain, I believe in one of their blogs they stated they used it on a poster.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on May 18, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
Ask Poster Mountain, I believe in one of their blogs they stated they used it on a poster.

A correction. Poster Mountain does NOT use fixative or spray sealers of any kind.

I wrote to John and asked about this very issue and he said, that while some do use it, they do not and never have.   ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 18, 2012, 03:23:50 PM
OK to clarify the fixative use from poster mountain.  They used it on a piece of artwork to protect it during backing...  Not to finish off a poster.  But why would a backer actually admit to using it anyway.  I am sure they all do something...  But that is what is so tiresome about this art.  No one will tell you anything or tell you the whole truth; especially the turn key tip...  It may even just come down to quality of the watercolors for all I know...

I snapped some pics of what I was talking about and then want to snap a full front on pic to see if good photography does eliminate some of the issues. 

In other news:  I went to the art store with my gun and the fluid needle was bent and when the guy who used it last put it up, he didn't clean the acrylic out.  It came down to about $40 in new parts or $70 for a new gun; so I just bought a new gun...  I am going to start playing with it here in a few minutes. I am going to mess around with the Heart Break Ridge and the Strange Bedfellows.  My thoughts/theories are that on older posters the matching of finish is a non issue...

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 18, 2012, 03:30:09 PM
I have also been looking into a natural fixative; spectra fix.  It would have to be applied with an airbursh because it is just in a squirt bottle. However, some of the complaints I read are that it changes the colors...  I haven't ordered this to play with it yet...  Just thought I would throw a natural fixative out there...

http://www.spectrafix.com/

I e-mailed the company about its reversibility and the response I got was:

Quote
Hi Charlie,

Yes, I believe it could be removed by softening in water, but that might be hard on your poster. ;p
The casein does harden over time, and become water resistant, esp with exposure to UV light, but a nice soak ought to make it removeable. It is slightly on the alkaline side of pH neutral, which is good for conservation.

Of course, I've never tried the above.. so I would suggest you try it before committing a poster. The casein won't be as removable as watercolor, of course, since wc doesn't contain a real binder.. just gum arabic. Since casein is a glue I wonder if it would require a light 'encouragement' with a brush to let go entirely... and would this be okay for the poster? Would the ink come off?

It should work well for isolating layers though, and does get along well with watercolors. You can also use it to create your own paints with soft pastels and casein.


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 18, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
So I love the new airbrush.  It is just plain awesome on old posters... Need to post some pictures...  Only way to get it working on the modern was to go over and over and over and over and over and over and over it until the colors built up enough....  Same with the older ones but they seemed to absorb it more rapidly...  White still sucks....  Well back at it... 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on May 18, 2012, 10:40:36 PM
OK to clarify the fixative use from poster mountain.  They used it on a piece of artwork to protect it during backing...  Not to finish off a poster.  But why would a backer actually admit to using it anyway.  I am sure they all do something...  But that is what is so tiresome about this art.  No one will tell you anything or tell you the whole truth; especially the turn key tip...  It may even just come down to quality of the watercolors for all I know...

I'm not sure what you are clarifying here. I wrote John and specifically asked him about PM using fixatives or sealers on movie posters. I didn't ask it a general blanket question, since other situations (like the art example you sited, could come into play). He said they never use any kind of sealer on movie posters, as part of their restoration and conservation efforts. Aside from the fact that it is not considered archival (in his view), he also said that the high quality water based color media they use don't require anything more, to "set" the color to the paper.

And why would you suggest he was being untruthful when he said his company doesnt use it?  If it was another material in their arsenal to use on posters, he would have said so. It's not like it is some controversial substance. He wrote and said many restorers/backers DO use it; Poster Mountain doesnt, and I have no reason to doubt that.  

I know John, and have used PM; they do great work and none of my posters were sprayed with anything (nor was I ever offered that option, when minor color touch-ups were done).   :)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 18, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
Sorry for any misconception. I didn't mean to start a fuss or anything. I was just trying to help Charlie find an answer.

When I seached Google for Linenbacking Fixative. One of the blogs came up, Hence I just stated ask Poster Mountain.

"We applied a fixative to the existing pigments before beginning the mounting procedure"

"Once the piece had been sprayed with fixative, the pastels pigments were stable enough for us to carefully  mount it."

Thats what came up in my Cache. That is why I stated what I had.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on May 18, 2012, 10:51:23 PM
Sorry for any misconception. I didn't mean to start a fuss or anything. I was just trying to help Charlie find an answer.

When I seached Google for Linenbacking Fixative. One of the blogs came up, Hence I just stated ask Poster Mountain.

"We applied a fixative to the existing pigments before beginning the mounting procedure"

"Once the piece had been sprayed with fixative, the pastels pigments were stable enough for us to carefully  mount it."

Thats what came up in my Cache. That is why I stated what I had.


Hey Mike..

it's no fuss.. I was only replying, too and asking because I emailed PM about this earlier this week. So it was like a 180Ί bit of info that was offered.

I'm curious about the blog entry, as you quoted it as saying that fixative was applied to stabilize the existing pigments PRIOR to mounting the piece.

Maybe this was the art piece that Charlie referred to.

It's all good.  ;D

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 18, 2012, 10:52:49 PM
Which brings us.
How can we even tell a fixative was applied to the poster?

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 19, 2012, 09:58:34 AM
I'm not sure what you are clarifying here. I wrote John and specifically asked him about PM using fixatives or sealers on movie posters. I didn't ask it a general blanket question, since other situations (like the art example you sited, could come into play). He said they never use any kind of sealer on movie posters, as part of their restoration and conservation efforts. Aside from the fact that it is not considered archival (in his view), he also said that the high quality water based color media they use don't require anything more, to "set" the color to the paper.

And why would you suggest he was being untruthful when he said his company doesnt use it?  If it was another material in their arsenal to use on posters, he would have said so. It's not like it is some controversial substance. He wrote and said many restorers/backers DO use it; Poster Mountain doesnt, and I have no reason to doubt that.  

I know John, and have used PM; they do great work and none of my posters were sprayed with anything (nor was I ever offered that option, when minor color touch-ups were done).   :)



I was trying to cover Mike's quote here.  No controversy...  I think that you can get away without it on older matte posters.  And I think with enough experience you can get away without it on modern posters using the airbrush and adding gum arabic.  I was able to match sheen on the Lost Boys which is half way between Matte and modern gloss...  On the Heartbreak Ridge it was too glossy...  But one interesting thing did happen last night.  I had just finished a fold line with the airbrush and I raised may hand up and one single drop fell on a previously dried area. It ran just a tad and messed up the look of the touchup...  Un-protected work seems dangerous.  On drop or a swipe of a wet hand and oops...

I also was not implying John from PM was a "liar"...  There just never seems to be an A+B=C in this process.  A mystery wrapped in an enigma.  Ok, so either I am just too much of a perfectionist, am doing it completely wrong, others are just that awesome, or there is there is a simple answer.  The simple answer always seems to be the case in most situations...

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on May 19, 2012, 10:08:59 AM
I thiunk it will always come down to the fact pro's don't want to give away what they have had to learn themselves. Which is fair enough, its their living.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 19, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
I thiunk it will always come down to the fact pro's don't want to give away what they have had to learn themselves. Which is fair enough, its their living.


Yes. I agree.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 19, 2012, 02:14:26 PM
OK I promised Pictures:

First here is what I am talking about and contrast between the actual poster and the watercolors...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05172012-1.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05172012-2.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05172012-3.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05172012-4.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05172012-5.jpg)

So I went to town fixed my airbrush; built an easel because you can't paint down...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-6.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-7.jpg)

First to try black on an older poster.  The matte finish isn't an issue here.  The black does come out darker though.
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-8.jpg)

Before airbrush:
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-9.jpg)

After Airbrush:  (there was some overspray cause I was careful but not too careful - just testing things out)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-10.jpg)

Regular water color leaving a matte finish:
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-15.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-16.jpg)

Added Gum Arabic to the mix:
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-17.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-18.jpg)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05182012-19.jpg)

Point Break All Finish Up....
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05192012-20.jpg)

Now to the Lost Boys.  Remember all the matte finish issues.  The airbrush and a little Gum Arabic eliminated this concern.

Remember the head.  This was a huge issue with a dark line running across.  I am no expert at the airbrush but I figured if I could make a base color opaque to eliminate the line I could come back aver and get it close.  Also notice the stain in the orange flame area.  This didn't come off in washing...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05172012-3.jpg)

Here is the base coat of white.
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05192012-22.jpg)

Then a darker coat of the yellow.
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05192012-23.jpg)

A final darker coat and a few sprits of black to take it back...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05192012-24.jpg)

Now to the stain.  We saturated the stain with a lighter yellow and let dry.
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05192012-25.jpg)

Then came back with the main color.
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05192012-28.jpg)

Finished!
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/airbrush/05192012-27.jpg)

Man I was ready to give up yesterday...  The restoration and color matching stuff is the meat of the art.  As Rich and Bruce (and others) said slapping a poster on linen is something that can be done all day...


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on May 19, 2012, 02:37:55 PM
I had a poster that was already mounted to linen that needed to be re-backed.  PM did the work.  John said if it didn't look like it would come off the old backing easily (or if for instance it had been dry mounted to foam core) he had a product that he could put on the front of the poster to protect the artwork.  That way when he was scraping the paper off the old backing -- which as I understand it is a very rough process -- he would be much less likely to damage the artwork from the back.  Then when the poster had been removed, he had an enzyme that would dissolve what he applied to the front.  Maybe that is what PM was referring too... something applied during the restoration process (to 'fix' the artwork), but then removed before linen backing it.  

IMO, I would prefer no fixtative.  All of my linen-backed posters look great from the front, but when you look at it (way) off axis you can see that the restoration lines have a matte finish while the paper is usually more of a satin.  I've never found it bothersome in the least.
 
I absolutely don't mean this to come off as flip, but how often are you looking at a poster from that angle and from that close? 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on May 19, 2012, 03:41:24 PM
I had a poster that was already mounted to linen that needed to be re-backed.  PM did the work.  John said if it didn't look like it would come off the old backing easily (or if for instance it had been dry mounted to foam core) he had a product that he could put on the front of the poster to protect the artwork.  That way when he was scraping the paper off the old backing -- which as I understand it is a very rough process -- he would be much less likely to damage the artwork from the back.  Then when the poster had been removed, he had an enzyme that would dissolve what he applied to the front.  Maybe that is what PM was referring too... something applied during the restoration process (to 'fix' the artwork), but then removed before linen backing it.  

IMO, I would prefer no fixtative.  All of my linen-backed posters look great from the front, but when you look at it (way) off axis you can see that the restoration lines have a matte finish while the paper is usually more of a satin.  I've never found it bothersome in the least.
 
I absolutely don't mean this to come off as flip, but how often are you looking at a poster from that angle and from that close? 

Matt.. I can see them using a product like that when removing a poster from old linen, or (heaven forbid) having to get a poster off of foam core or some other type of board. That makes sense, since the poster will have to be submersed in water again (or be subjected to harsher solvents, if the glue was not water based  :'( ).

But as far as PM using any fixatives like this for a first time backing job of a poster (a finishing process, so to speak), John's answer was a definite no. 

The posters i have had backed by PM are from the '20s and '30s, so the paper is not glossy. And as you mentioned, up close or from certain angles, the slight fold touch ups will be seen. But no one stands inches away from a poster to view them (unless one is checking out the restoration work for the first time).  ;)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on May 19, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
I think Charlies concern is with the paper in the 80s, 90s posters with the glossier type of paper that he can't get the touch ups right on. And that the touch up areas are easily seen or quite noticeable. That he is trying to figure out what technique there is to help reduce the touched up areas on those glossier type sheets. Am I right on that assumption Charlie?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on May 19, 2012, 04:28:58 PM
I had a poster that was already mounted to linen that needed to be re-backed.  PM did the work.  John said if it didn't look like it would come off the old backing easily (or if for instance it had been dry mounted to foam core) he had a product that he could put on the front of the poster to protect the artwork.  That way when he was scraping the paper off the old backing -- which as I understand it is a very rough process -- he would be much less likely to damage the artwork from the back.  Then when the poster had been removed, he had an enzyme that would dissolve what he applied to the front.  Maybe that is what PM was referring too... something applied during the restoration process (to 'fix' the artwork), but then removed before linen backing it.  

IMO, I would prefer no fixtative.  All of my linen-backed posters look great from the front, but when you look at it (way) off axis you can see that the restoration lines have a matte finish while the paper is usually more of a satin.  I've never found it bothersome in the least.
 
I absolutely don't mean this to come off as flip, but how often are you looking at a poster from that angle and from that close? 

I know I have seen as many or more linen posters than almost anyone else (maybe everyone else).

Personally, I much prefer seeing the slight traces of restoration than seeing NO traces of restoration, and knowing the poster was airbrushed and sprayed with fixative. If I wanted it to "look perfect" I would just buy a repro, or try to find a mint unrestored one.

I worry what all that paint and spray will do over many years. Also in most hobbies there is eventually a huge backlash against heavy restoration.

But each person makes their own choices. Auctions (other than mine) prefer the "perfect" look, because they can say "fine on linen with minor touch-up" even if that is not true.

Bruce

P.S. On the spray that they use and remove, I believe you will find that it is mostly only used on SIGNED posters (only on the signed part), so they can mount it without fear of the autograph "running" or washing away completely.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 19, 2012, 05:13:44 PM
@ Mike - yes that is my concern.

But in what I am reading is that changes in finish may no be as big of an issue as I originally thought.  Like I posted before, I haven't seen many backed and touched up posters in person so I may have been operating under a paradym that the Darios and PMs of the backing world "mint" a poster every time with out any hint of restoration. I just don't/didn't want to be satisfied with mediocre work...

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on May 19, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
@ Mike - yes that is my concern.

But in what I am reading is that changes in finish may no be as big of an issue as I originally thought.  Like I posted before, I haven't seen many backed and touched up posters in person so I may have been operating under a paradym that the Darios and PMs of the backing world "mint" a poster every time with out any hint of restoration. I just don't/didn't want to be satisfied with mediocre work...



Dont get me wrong. There are owners of posters that want them to be made to look mint. And then there are some that want their posters conserved and lightly restored (fold splits, cross fold holes or borders mended) especially if the poster is many decades old, or was kept in conditions that have compromised its integrity (foxing, mold, deterioration from moisture, humidity etc).

But no poster is ever made to look "mint" as a matter of course. A poster owner will indicate how much or how little he/she will want done to a poster.

Like many others, I am of the thinking that "less is more." If a poster has survived, let's say, from the 1920s, 30s or 40s, (and if a foreign poster, made it thru the War, for example), I would not want every bit of its 'life' to be buried under a layers of added color. Small dings, "bumps and bruises" are part of that poster's history, IMO. There are those, however, that would prefer the opposite. It's all a matter of preference.

On newer, glossy posters that were issued folded, there are those collectors that want them backed simply to remove the fold creases and to diminish or hide breaks in the image, caused by the folding. Again, this is a personal, aesthetic choice and what the owner finds most appealing. ;)





Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: jayn_j on May 20, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
Like many others, I am of the thinking that "less is more." If a poster has survived, let's say, from the 1920s, 30s or 40s, (and if a foreign poster, made it thru the War, for example), I would not want every bit of its 'life' to be buried under a layers of added color. Small dings, "bumps and bruises" are part of that poster's history, IMO. There are those, however, that would prefer the opposite. It's all a matter of preference.

 thumbup
It has always seemed a shame to me that a poster with a rich display history be restored and that history removed.  I love posters with snipes, censor marks, and writing on the back with routing, location or date information.  Same thing with pinholes.  Pinholes mean it is real and was used for its purpose.  Now THOSE are classic posters.  You got one of those, feel free to send it to me, and I will help you find a 'better' example with no history.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 28, 2012, 10:28:12 PM
Charlie really fixed up my Back to Eternity.  The fold lines were very distracting but - poof - they are gone....

Much obliged! cheers

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/0-APF/Eternity-before.jpg)

(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Eternity-after.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 28, 2012, 10:54:26 PM
Charlie really fixed up my Back to Eternity.  The fold lines were very distracting but - poof - they are gone....

Much obliged! cheers


Glad you like it.  You should see it person.  It is laying here behind me all silky smooth...  I think I love backing older posters...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on May 28, 2012, 10:59:01 PM
Glad you like it.  You should see it person.  It is laying here behind me all silky smooth...  I think I love backing older posters...

DON'T BE FONDLING MY GAL!   gun2
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on May 28, 2012, 11:07:53 PM
Great work Charlie.  Looks like you are getting the handle on the older stuff
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 31, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
Lost Boys...  For my first experiments with an airbrush I am pretty happy with how this turned out... The Lost Boys was good practice for Harry's Suspiria (http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/009A_Front.jpg)...

Before:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster3_04182012_thumb.jpg) (http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/008A_Front.jpg)

After:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/Lost_Boys_Final_Thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/Lost_Boys_Final.jpg)

Point Break... I officially hate modern shiny posters...

Before:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/poster4_04182012_thumb.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/Point_Break_Final.jpg)

After:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/daves_backings/Point_Break_Final_Thumb.jpg) (http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/007A_Front.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on May 31, 2012, 07:25:28 PM
Pulpfixin,mate, the results you are achieving are to be applauded..there is no stopping you,keep it up.

Stew
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 01, 2012, 08:16:00 AM
Pulpfixin,mate, the results you are achieving are to be applauded..there is no stopping you,keep it up.

Stew

Thanks Stew! The Lost Boys was a real learning experience...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Hallucination Generation on June 01, 2012, 09:03:33 AM
I cannot believe the results you've all been getting
That Lost Boys quad is astounding. I had no idea that such a feat was possible.
And to get rid of the fold lines and wear from the Point Break and Mel's poster is truly amazing.
I am in awe. I knew restoration would improve a poster but not to that degree.

Anyone care to tell how much that work costs?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 01, 2012, 12:14:56 PM
I cannot believe the results you've all been getting
That Lost Boys quad is astounding. I had no idea that such a feat was possible.
And to get rid of the fold lines and wear from the Point Break and Mel's poster is truly amazing.
I am in awe. I knew restoration would improve a poster but not to that degree.

Anyone care to tell how much that work costs?

Well, thank you!

Restoration varies depending on what you want.  On the Lost Boys I was told to make it look the best I could as where on the Back From Eternity, Mel and I decided to just clean it up, back it, and do minimal touch-ups...  

First, I am no pro.  I just wanted to learn this art and these guys have been kind enough to send me challenging projects and cover my costs plus a poster here and there for my effort. I am not actively soliciting clients. I am a full time engineer and this is more a hobby at the moment - but may be a good plan for my retirement days - 30 years from now... ;)

However, there are many wonderful professionals out there:

Dario is top notch and an APFer. He's been trickling tips to me here and there as I learn.  I think Mel said he start at $75 for a US OS but then there are other options at an additional charge for deacid, bleach and touch-up; like most studios. If I had to recommend one, he would be the guy.
http://members.shaw.ca/vintagemovieart/

Poster Mountain is another top tier place.   They have a top notch group and can restore almost anything. They start at $150 but I am not sure what that includes...  This would be the second on my list if Dario doesn't work out.  Poster Mountain also has a lot of experience with Mondo Prints.
http://www.postermountain.com/

My guess that if Dave would have sent the Lost Boys to a studio it would have run him $100 to back, $30 to Deacid, $50 to Bleach, and another $150 (@$50/hour; and more time because it probably takes me longer than a pro) for touch-ups... ~$330  The Point Break would have probably been only $255 because there was less time spent on restoration.

Mel's poster was relatively simple...  $100 to back, $30 to Deacid, $50 for a lite bleach and $25 for touch-ups... $205

The farther off a poster is, the more it would cost to make it shine.  But you always have the option to just conserve w/o any touching up...

If you have one you are thinking about restoring, just shoot Dario or PM an e-mail and they can give you an estimate...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on June 02, 2012, 07:12:54 PM
Charlie,
Excellent work.
How hard is airbrushing? Have you had experience with it before?

Gotta get some videos up 8)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 02, 2012, 08:21:12 PM
Charlie,
Excellent work.
How hard is airbrushing? Have you had experience with it before?

Gotta get some videos up 8)


Thanks!

No experience with Airbrushing...  But it is relatively straight forward... The hardest part is getting the correct consistency of the watercolor so it actually covers and lays down opaque - usually taking three or four coats.  Also had to learn about overspray and protecting the areas where you don't want paint...

Videos on the thread - probably a "no" at this point...  Let me perfect my craft a little bit more before trying to aid others as I may lead them down the wrong path.  I know in the beginning I was all "hey this is easy!"  well after two months I still feel it is a lot easier than I thought, but its like working your way through the booby traps on an Indianna Jones film.  Your dad could be right beside you walking you through the thing by journal and you still might get you head cut off...  I just try to keep improving...

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on June 02, 2012, 08:29:33 PM
haha, no Problemo Charlie.
Keep up the good work.

And keep me up to date when you are going to start backing Larger posters.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 03, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
Found this EB thread from PM facebook post.  They seem to be leading the charge on Mondo Print repair...

http://forum.expressobeans.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89727
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on June 03, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
yeah seems to be the done thing to have your mondos sent to PM.
And people think I am nuts.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 10, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
You Aussies (and Canadian) don't drool over some finished off daybills... OK?  One looks very familiar...huh?

(http://www.abideposters.com/theposters/Collections/06092012/Thumbs/Matts_LB-1.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/theposters/Collections/06092012/Thumbs/Matts_LB-2.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/theposters/Collections/06092012/Thumbs/Matts_LB-4.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/theposters/Collections/06092012/Thumbs/Matts_LB-5.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/theposters/Collections/06092012/Thumbs/Matts_LB-3.JPG)


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on June 10, 2012, 12:07:22 AM
Dementia 13 is almost the best daybill ever made. The work is looking terrific Charlie!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on June 10, 2012, 12:10:52 AM
You Aussies (and Canadian) don't drool over some finished off daybills... OK?  One looks very familiar...huh?

They better not, or I'll kick their butts. I'm in that mood today. ;)

Sensational Charlie, just sensational. clap
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on June 10, 2012, 08:02:29 AM
Those are awesome Charlie! Were any of them touched up?
Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on June 10, 2012, 11:45:19 AM
I must say, for some reason the colours really POP on backed daybills
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on June 10, 2012, 12:05:03 PM
I must say, for some reason the colours really POP on backed daybills

I think they been boosted, man...  wynk
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on June 10, 2012, 12:12:49 PM
I think they been boosted, man...  wynk


Boosted by their inherent awesomeness ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 19, 2012, 11:51:19 PM
Finished off a few a while back and finally got around to photographing them...  I am just about ready to tackle the ESB (http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/006A_Front.jpg)...

A Film About Jimi Hendrix

(http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/hendrix_comp_S.jpg)

Scarface

(http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/scareface_comp_S.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on June 19, 2012, 11:53:28 PM
Those both look great Charlie.  Much whiter now!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 22, 2012, 10:32:01 AM
Were any of them touched up?

One was but if you can't tell I won't.... ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: the chip guy on June 23, 2012, 03:37:59 PM
Was it the Scarface Charlie?

I love your work on the Jimmie too btw, I just made a deal for the Flower poster in my av but it's a beat up folded version.....  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 28, 2012, 08:30:16 PM
Was it the Scarface Charlie?

I love your work on the Jimmie too btw, I just made a deal for the Flower poster in my av but it's a beat up folded version.....  ;) ;) ;)

Heh heh heh.... I missed this one.. Congrats!!!!  I assume you will be contacting your local linenbacker to straighten it out?  ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on June 28, 2012, 08:33:14 PM
Heh heh heh.... I missed this one.. Congrats!!!!  I assume you will be contacting your local linenbacker to straighten it out?  ;)

Linen backing. When the poster you love needs to be loved.  :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on July 13, 2012, 08:42:02 PM
You know I have been getting the itch to turn pulpfixin.com into a clearing house for amateur backers...  I've done the math and this will never be a profession for me.  Why not share what I have learned?    Wonder if I would end up in a creek bed like Dario suggests, if I did something like this...  As easy as it sounds and somewhat is, it requires quite an investment in money, space, and time.  It is not like you can wake up one morning take a trip to the art store and be linenbacking a poster by the evening...  Well you can but it won't come out that great.  I don't see a real danger to the pros out there...  Any thoughts?

I could do videos and blog techniques etc...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on July 13, 2012, 09:22:02 PM
I could do videos and blog techniques etc...

Sounds like a great idea, Charlie!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: teamweapon on July 14, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
You know I have been getting the itch to turn pulpfixin.com into a clearing house for amateur backers...  I've done the math and this will never be a profession for me.  Why not share what I have learned?    Wonder if I would end up in a creek bed like Dario suggests, if I did something like this...  As easy as it sounds and somewhat is, it requires quite an investment in money, space, and time.  It is not like you can wake up one morning take a trip to the art store and be linenbacking a poster by the evening...  Well you can but it won't come out that great.  I don't see a real danger to the pros out there...  Any thoughts?

I could do videos and blog techniques etc...

yeah it does sound amazing!
hopefully i will get around to trying it out for myself in the future? i just need some space to set it all up. although i still think getting hold of some of the key chemicals could be problematic in the UK?
we arn't even aloud to have bestine! i dunno maybe we cant be trusted? [hmmm the powers that be do have a point!] haha
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on July 14, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
Sounds like a great idea, Charlie!

Agree,
Would love to see some vids on how to linenback!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on July 14, 2012, 09:48:44 PM
OK I am going to do it...  I guess the first topic should be basics on what linenbacking is etc...  I'll work up a skit....  Please feel free to drop some topics... It is not really possible to do one video on the whole thing...  So maybe:

Background & History
Basic Supplies
Tools
Tables
Building Frames
Canvas Stretching
Making Wheat Paste
Getting a poster wet
Washing
Chemistry
Deacidification
Bleaching
Placing the Masa
Placing the Poster
Paper Fills - Paper
Paper Fills - Pulp
Touch Ups
AirBrushing
Paper Types and what that means
Troubleshooting
Drying and Storage
Cutting it down
Trimming
Shipping
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on July 15, 2012, 12:09:30 AM
Can't wait for the first instalment or pilot episode. ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on July 15, 2012, 01:54:43 AM
I still offer a reward for an original copy of the Eugene Hughes DVD
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on July 15, 2012, 08:16:06 AM
Can't wait for the first instalment or pilot episode. ;D

 thumbup

I have a poster or two I wouldnt mind seeing on the show.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on July 15, 2012, 04:16:34 PM
Can't wait for the first instalment or pilot episode. ;D

I can't wait to see the other members of the cast...'skit'? Gee I hope the Monty Python crew make a comeback.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on July 15, 2012, 04:38:25 PM
This would be great to see.


Stew
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on July 15, 2012, 04:46:51 PM
This would be great to see.
Stew

This poster is no more! It has ceased to be!

'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on July 15, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
This poster is no more! It has ceased to be!

'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

Don't give me ideas... I am already planning some comedy skits.  But that would betops to do a different movie theme for each video in. The series... anyone want to volunteer to do the rewrites...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on July 15, 2012, 11:38:42 PM
Don't give me ideas... I am already planning some comedy skits.  But that would betops to do a different movie theme for each video in. The series... anyone want to volunteer to do the rewrites...

If you want comedy skits, just post Chris Cloutier's Posterfix videos
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on July 15, 2012, 11:39:58 PM
sneak into Darios house and film him in the shower.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on July 16, 2012, 02:18:03 AM
If you want comedy skits, just post Chris Cloutier's Posterfix videos

Arghhhh, his voice gives me the willies. He seems to know more about the films than restoration.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on July 16, 2012, 08:51:29 AM
sneak into Darios house and film him in the shower.

I have heard that's how he washes the posters before backing them...probably makes them more valuable now that I think about it
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: jayn_j on July 16, 2012, 08:59:38 AM
I have heard that's how he washes the posters before backing them...probably makes them more valuable now that I think about it

Premium poster restoration services.  Now with pubic hair!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on July 16, 2012, 09:06:14 AM
so THATS what happened to those star wars posters.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: bigmike on July 30, 2012, 06:17:33 PM
Any upcoming videos yet Charlie?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on July 31, 2012, 10:05:53 AM
Any upcoming videos yet Charlie?

Swamped at the moment...  10 posters just waiting with their beady eyes staring at me every day when I come home from work...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 10, 2012, 07:34:26 PM
Mel begged me to move up his Hour Before Dawn...  So I did and I owe my mystery partner a big 'yeah what am I going to do - you know Mel'  :-X  The wife was finishing up the other poster at the same time if it makes you feel better.... ;)

Before:
(http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/025A_Front_B.jpg) (http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/025A_Front_B.jpg)

Just Backed and Still Wet:
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/Mels_Backings/HBD_Wet.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/Mels_Backings/HBD_Wet.jpg)

Dry and tight ready for some touch-up and some little nicks in need of burnishing...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/Mels_Backings/HBD_Dry.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/Mels_Backings/HBD_Dry.jpg)

Mel am I suppose to fill that snaggle tooth at the top; I don't think it necessary - it's pretty awesome just as it is....
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on August 10, 2012, 08:47:08 PM
Nice job, Charlie.
Which pic best represents the poster's final true colors?

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 10, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
Closer to the first one. The last two were taken with a point and shoot and with the white masa it tends to effect the white balance...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on August 10, 2012, 10:23:48 PM
That's what I thought.
You do fine work, man.  thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on August 11, 2012, 04:27:36 PM
Nice work Charlie - looks like the wash really got some of the staining out.

Also great to see you starting to tackle more of the older stuff because that is an area that usually needs resto much, much more...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on August 11, 2012, 08:30:37 PM
S'all great Charlie! Thanks a ton.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 26, 2012, 11:50:02 PM
A video has been made... Now if I can just upload it to youtube...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 27, 2012, 12:13:32 AM
Pulpfixin's very first video....

Fixin Mel's Hour Before Dawn paper chip. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/08wsUM4J5JQ
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on August 27, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
The 'mash potato' interlude was most enjoyable.

Very good and interesting Charlie, thanks for taking the time. Now, if I can just add one word...

Tripod!

(http://images.zaazu.com/img/Taking-Video-video-videocam-camera-smiley-emoticon-000424-facebook.gif)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 27, 2012, 12:28:25 AM
(http://images.zaazu.com/img/Taking-Video-video-videocam-camera-smiley-emoticon-000424-facebook.gif)

Do they make a tripod for a driod phone?  My handheld was out of juice...  Besides, gorilla camera work is more my style!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on August 27, 2012, 05:27:15 PM
Good video, Charlie. thumbup  Looks like you're well on your way to being one of the go-to guys for restoration.   
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: ATLfun on August 27, 2012, 09:45:00 PM

  I have been catching up on a lot threads today, and this one is a true standout. Charlie, you should get the APF award for "Thread of the Year."   clap

  Your poster energy is off the charts.  At least now, you are not staying up all night trying to find Turkish postcards for the Black Swan.  The thread is very informative for those who want to learn.  And finally, the helpful advice offered to you in the thread shows a great spirit of community.

  You have definitely but the final nail in the coffin of me buying any linen posters post 1970.  I am amazed at your before and after photos.  I might actually devalue a "must have" poster because it has been restored.  But, that is only my opinion.  I totally understand why a 1945 poster restored would be more enjoyable to look at, but a 1978 Star Wars should be raw.

  Your poster baths and crease removal are really looking good.

  Keep up the good work,


  Brian
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 28, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
Wow! You guys flatter me.  I am just trying my best...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 28, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
New gorilla video... I am going to have to get the tripod up and going the shaking and blurriness may make you sick...  Some input on mediums for touch-ups...

http://youtu.be/oEV4NHVK7fM
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: ATLfun on August 28, 2012, 09:18:01 PM
Wow! You guys flatter me.  I am just trying my best...


  Charlie, your thread has over 8K views, that is staggering.  That means that people from all over the net are following your journey.  Heck, I was proud when I framed in my 6 sheet and then you go and build a professional poster restoration work station.  My only consolation is that Texas A&M will not be a factor in the SEC this year.   ;D


Brian
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on September 02, 2012, 10:09:59 PM
Cool video on the touch ups.  That stuff is pretty fancy.  I was thinking that for most minor stuff, it would involve something like using colored pencils, and a setup like the "the art department at the daybill printers (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4652.msg86580.html#msg86580)."  ;D  Seriously though, it would be neat to see a video of you doing some of the work professional style.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 02, 2012, 10:51:49 PM
Yeah it is more of me saying "is this grey?" to receive a response of "no that's green - you didn't do anything yet, right?" - "no..." Then I quickly remove my work and say: "you are so good at this; let me know what I can do..."

I am just an applicator.

Here are some B&A from my/our latest stuff:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/092012/raintree_before.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/092012/raintree_after2.jpg)


(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/092012/joekidd_belgian_before.jpg)  

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/092012/joekidd_belgian.jpg)  
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on September 02, 2012, 11:31:16 PM
I was just goofin' about "the art department at the daybill printers."  I forgot about your condition with difficulty distinguishing certain colors.  It's not all bad, though, since you can make it more of a family/team effort dealio, to help do good work.  From the pictures, all the stuff you've done looks excellent.   thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 02, 2012, 11:38:11 PM
I was just goofin' about "the art department at the daybill printers."  I forgot about your condition with difficulty distinguishing certain colors.  It's not all bad, though, since you can make it more of a family/team effort dealio, to help do good work.  From the pictures, all the stuff you've done looks excellent.   thumbup

No worries; I knew you were goofin'... But the ironic thing is that it really is a team effort because even though I am colorblind my wife seems to be contrast-blind at times... Plus she isn't real precise with the airbrush; yet...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on September 02, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
Right on.  Looks like y'all are the dream team of restoration.  Keep up the good work.  sm1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: kovacs01 on September 03, 2012, 12:34:54 AM
Ready to give this one a go, Charlie?  Its mostly black, so i figure it should be an easy resto job, right? wynk
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sa47O4OPRNs/UDlBUHUlsCI/AAAAAAAAGdQ/GolXofs0Poo/s800/Halloween%2520B1.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 03, 2012, 09:02:38 AM
Yeah sure... My plan is to finish my backlog and do the 20+ poster in my stack. Then back to helping you guys out... Got some great news from the wife last night; she is going to let me have the informal/family permanently but I have to give up the poster lair for a theater/family room... no brainer right....
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on September 03, 2012, 09:05:24 AM
I have a couple Id like to send out to you.

Have you posted a pricing schedule?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 03, 2012, 09:12:48 AM
I have a couple Id like to send out to you.

Have you posted a pricing schedule?

No pricing schedule... probably never will be.  Just send me a Grace Kelly or two.   ;)  I don't want the pressures of a second job so as long as it stays as informal and liesurely as possible I'll keep doing it.  Besides you guys know who the pros are.  I am just having fun trying to perfect a craft.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on September 03, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Your recent restos posted above are excellent.
A little bit of love goes a long way.
 cheers
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on September 03, 2012, 09:19:43 AM
No pricing schedule... probably never will be.  Just send me a Grace Kelly or two.   ;)  I don't want the pressures of a second job so as long as it stays as informal and liesurely as possible I'll keep doing it.  Besides you guys know who the pros are.  I am just having fun trying to perfect a craft.

With a collection of two, I dont have any extra GKs to spare.  :P

Very cool. Was just making sure. You are using materials and doing some type of activity for a second party. Maybe when you are done with the backlog.  :)

 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 22, 2012, 10:28:59 AM
Well here is the final B&A... Mel asked me to touch up the forehead cross fold with the airbrush and the wife did such a good job on the colors that it made the light touch ups on the adjacent folds pop out.

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/hourbeforedawn_BA.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on September 22, 2012, 10:30:26 AM
Verrrrry nice!
Mel is gonna be stoked.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on September 22, 2012, 03:36:42 PM
Ferkn sweet job Charlie! Well done
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on September 22, 2012, 09:17:58 PM
I think it is great your wife is right into it
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on September 23, 2012, 01:08:40 AM
Fantastic job Charlie!

I too agree it's great you and your wife can both do something you enjoy together
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on September 23, 2012, 10:27:12 AM
Charlie, thats great work You are hired!

Let me know when you have free time and you wanna try a couple of Italian 2Fs.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on September 30, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
Looks great framed too!

(http://posternirvana.com/0DNE/2012-08/2012-10b.JPG)


(http://posternirvana.com/0DNE/2012-08/2012-10a.JPG)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on September 30, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
Charlie, thats great work You are hired!

Let me know when you have free time and you wanna try a couple of Italian 2Fs.

Ive been trying to get him to do 4 & 6 sheets as well! Come on Charlie .. you know you wanna try some awesome large format posters! :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on September 30, 2012, 04:10:14 PM
Looks great framed too!


Gte no arguments from me - looks superb.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 30, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
Thank guys!  I still look at it and think we could have done a bit better. I guess this is a good trait.  I know Mel wanted more of an original feel/look to it... When we were doing it we kept thinking we could drown the colors on the folds but just tried to do minimal work; which is what Mel wanted...  It really is a fine line between keeping a piece original and trying to make it something it is not.  You can actually go too far.  It turned out almost perfect for what I think he wanted...

So an update on my skillz development - I finally figured out how to make the fill paste that the pros use... It is Methyl Cellulose + cellulose powder. I mixed a batch last night and experimented with it today.  Great stuff! PM uses it on paper loss smaller than an quarter.   This is also what they use to gel back posters; the more liquid form...  It is quite rigid when dry. I guess I need to try and gel back a poster but I have to figure out the holytex/isinglass process...

Thanks Mel for letting me bring Veronica back to life - glad you like it!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 30, 2012, 10:15:18 PM
Ive been trying to get him to do 4 & 6 sheets as well! Come on Charlie .. you know you wanna try some awesome large format posters! :)

It is in the works... I have to build a bigger table and make a wall for mounting. I plan to do this when I move into the other room. I also have to save up and order a washing table top - I keep thinking that a granite slab may do it.  My mirror washing table is only 50" x 50" so the Italians etc. would hang off...FAIL!  The most important part of the process is that damn table top...  I also have to make a fiberglass soaking tray to fit them... I could fold them over and use mesh but that just seems dangerous...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on September 30, 2012, 10:20:36 PM
It's interesting it's cellulose, I read years back when gel backing was being discussed at nsfge that it had a gelatine base, which put me off, I wouldn't like to have a gelatine backed poster, that's just gross.
I'd be interested in knowing all the ingredients used in restoration and backing.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on September 30, 2012, 10:25:02 PM
Top job once again Mr Stevens. Well Done!!!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 30, 2012, 10:29:23 PM
It's interesting it's cellulose, I read years back when gel backing was being discussed at nsfge that it had a gelatine base, which put me off, I wouldn't like to have a gelatine backed poster, that's just gross.
I'd be interested in knowing all the ingredients used in restoration and backing.


Well like most things I am just taking an educated guess at this point.  I've researched a bunch on the unbacked process where twice boiled and pressure cooked paper pulp and methyl cellulose create a rigid backing...  After I experimented today I can say the Methyl Cellulose is very Gel-like... It is the consistency of warm honey...  I may still be off, but I can easily imagine taking the methyl cellulose + cellulose powder and brushing it all over the back of an insert to 'rigid' it up...  The only thing I need to figure out is how they mount the poster face down to holytex that is mounted to a board... So that when it all dries it is flat...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on September 30, 2012, 10:34:11 PM
Here's one of the old threads at nsfge you might want to read, never know what might help.

http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/767/another-conservation-process
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 30, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
Check out this article...

http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/jaic/articles/jaic32-01-003_2.html
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on September 30, 2012, 10:57:35 PM
Aha thanks, not that I ever want a poster that's been covered in fish, but interesting nonetheless
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 30, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
Here's one of the old threads at nsfge you might want to read, never know what might help.

http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/767/another-conservation-process

So what I am talking about is starch backing. I guess the part I am miszing is how they adhere the front of the poster to the holytex and then to a board.. what is that glue?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 23, 2012, 01:17:33 AM
Mel's 'The Big Heat'  is up for more Staycay fun; lots of prep work on this one though...  Plus I have to redraw that damn arm!  ;)

(http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/027A_Front_B.jpg) (http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/027A_Back_B.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on October 23, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
Looking forward the results - and the proper styling of the arm  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on October 23, 2012, 01:53:03 PM
If you need anatomical reference for the arm, I'd suggest Popeye.

(http://www.theletterpunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/rulandPopeye.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 24, 2012, 11:03:44 AM
Got something for you Mel...  moron1 I guess we both missed this mess on the back of the Voodoo Woman.  :P  Just joshing a bit here - it was actually a good learning experience - I had never removed so much tape before in one go.  Boy that Bestine is good stuff. After the first hour, I was feeling kind of groovy... ;D

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_0307.jpg)

I got Mel's Girls backed (3) and thought that a blog post would be easier:

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2012/10/24/mels-girls/

Crazy sock day! I always wonder what my daughter will think about all this when she get older...

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_0339.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on October 24, 2012, 12:17:27 PM
Got something for you Mel...  moron1 I guess we both missed this mess on the back of the Voodoo Woman.
Crazy sock day! I always wonder what my daughter will think about all this when she get older...

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_0339.jpg)

Thanks Charlie, although your "girl" is the best of the bunch!

PS I can't remember putting tape on the back of Voodoo Woman but I guess I did. Doh!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on October 24, 2012, 01:58:41 PM
Blonde Ice is looking awesome backed
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 30, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
So I think I have the paper backing figured out... I've been researching it.  Basically you get a waterproof board and wheat paste holy-tex or dursan to the board then you wheat paste your paper backing to the holy-tex and then the poster to the paper backing....  I would imagine you then sandwich it under mylar and another board...  Or you let the holytex and paper dry flat to the board 1st or heck all at one time... 

That one is face up... Then there is another way where you use a board and place the poster face down then you place a wheat pasted paper lining over the back of the poster and onto the board underneath...  When dry there is an air gap between the paper and the board near the poster and you simply trim it out...   Although I think this one will not produce the flatter poster.

So I guess I need to find a melamine board and order some holytex...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on October 31, 2012, 08:19:09 AM
 pcorn
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 02, 2012, 04:23:08 PM
Let the pulpfixin era of fill compound begin... This is the first poster where I replaced missing paper with a cellulose compound... I also tested it for strength when rolled etc. and it does magically well... The cracks and missing paper were filled with compound and sanded smooth.  I later found out that if I add some calcium carbonate it will further aid in a smooth finish (next time!). Then we airbrushed the fills black with watercolors.

We have the faces and some touch up in the lettering left and done.

Before:

(http://www.pulpfixin.com/static_photos/009A_Front.jpg)

Almost Done...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/2012-11-01_22-02-12_424.jpg)

This is where the fixative would make this one shine because it would eliminate the contrasts between the paper and matte watercolors...  That is how some restorers get them looking perfect....
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 02, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
pcorn

Got my board ready, ordered the holytex; and now wait...

I am also thinking that the adhesive (temporary) between the holytex and the board and the paper support and the holytex would be methylcellulose since it is weak while the adhesive between the poster and the paper support would be basic wheat paste...

This is so much fun!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: ATLfun on November 03, 2012, 08:43:46 PM

 First, congrats on the big A&M win.  Secondly, you suck.  This thread is like the Masked Magician revealing all the secrets on how to make crappy posters look good.

  I was looking through the Heritage auction catalog tonight.  There were several linen posters that caught my eye.  But images of moldy pieces of crap, frankensteined back to life with water colors and glossy paste kept flashing in my head. 

  I am just having a hard time justifying several thousand on a poster where you do not know whether it had major or minor surgery.   ;D

Brian
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on November 03, 2012, 09:13:42 PM
  I was looking through the Heritage auction catalog tonight.  There were several linen posters that caught my eye.  But images of moldy pieces of crap, frankensteined back to life with water colors and glossy paste kept flashing in my head.  


Not sure but I believe restoration can easily be detected with ultraviolet light. (http://www.ehow.com/how_7974342_detect-repairs-ultraviolet-lamps-uvl21.html)  You'll notice all the descriptions of linen-backed posters precisely describe the restoration.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 03, 2012, 09:16:40 PM
First, congrats on the big A&M win.  Secondly, you suck.  This thread is like the Masked Magician revealing all the secrets on how to make crappy posters look good.

  I was looking through the Heritage auction catalog tonight.  There were several linen posters that caught my eye.  But images of moldy pieces of crap, frankensteined back to life with water colors and glossy paste kept flashing in my head. 

  I am just having a hard time justifying several thousand on a poster where you do not know whether it had major or minor surgery.   ;D

Brian

Yepper Alabama may have a game on their hands next week....

Well I would say as long as they are not sprayed with a varnish/fixative to eliminate contrast you should be able to see most work...  But yes if you get the colors right and spray it, it is pretty tough.  A while back I bought this UV marker and always thought that the more reputable restorers should place a number of reference on the poster so that a buyer can look up a before picture of the backed poster.  But sometimes I think that there are some restorers (not anyone on this forum) that thrive by hiding the fixes - if it looks good it must be a good restoration. 

I am now learning some of the reasons Dario was the way he was when I first started...  True Conservation/Restoration vs. Looking Great doesn't always equal...  For example, true conservation may (and perhaps should; as my opinions develop) be no where close to what the modern restorer does...  I think all you really need is some Japanese mending paper and a good heat press...  You bathe the poster in various solutions (you can actually mend before if you use warm water) and mend the tears from behind with mending tissue for support; then press it and done. All this touch up business is crazy - why not just buy a reprint if you want it perfect...

There are some cases where you have to support, but the touch ups are not really the right idea (conservation/museum stuff)...  I wonder if museums touch up posters?  It's like polluting the natural state of the object... It is what it is, why not leave it that way...  But that is not what makes the $$$...

       
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on November 03, 2012, 09:42:23 PM
I take my linen backed posters outside in the natural light, if I can't see any restoration on the face of the poster I flip it over and hold it in a direct line with the sun.  You'll make out any work done. Even if they have used a brush or an air brush. You can see the difference.

Keep up the good work Charlie, you're coming along in leaps and bounds. thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on November 04, 2012, 06:26:53 AM
" I am just having a hard time justifying several thousand on a poster where you do not know whether it had major or minor surgery."

Great point! I am currently auctioning several posters where the buyers who bought them elsewhere were MASSIVELY deceived as to the extent of the restoration.

"Not sure but I believe restoration can easily be detected with ultraviolet light."


This is NOT true, Mel. The "bad guys" are incredibly sophisticated. Remember that millions of dollars of fakes were easily sold a short time ago and fooled almost all the top "experts", dealers, auctioneers and collectors. And the person who created them is still in business and still used extensively by a certain element.

"all the descriptions of linen-backed posters precisely describe the restoration."

"Precisely" is far too strong a word. Get some of these posters, look at them super closely and then see if you still feel that the defects and their restoration were precisely described. I think you will find that a LOT of posters have had entire areas (the whole title, or the whole background, etc) painted over "to even it out", and this will rarely be described in the condition description.

"if they are not sprayed with a varnish/fixative to eliminate contrast"

This IS done a lot, and it makes it ten times harder to see what has been done. I have sometimes returned posters to consignors because they have been SO "worked over" that I really have trouble saying exactly what was done to it, and I don't want to auction any poster I feel that way about!

"I wonder if museums touch up posters?  It's like polluting the natural state of the object"


When I did the Christie's auctions, the often unsophisticated buyers there wanted the posters to look great (sometimes they would say "I would buy that expensive poster but it has some tears in the borders" and then they would buy some super worked over backed piece that "looked" great!). Whenever it made financial sense I used an incredible museum restorer who did fine art paintings. They would ONLY replace missing areas ("voids") and would not paint over existing areas unless it was something like a stain that could not come out, and then they would ONLY paint over the stain. They considered techniques like painting over the borders, or the title letters to be butchering the restoration.

"I take my linen backed posters outside in the natural light, if I can't see any restoration on the face of the poster I flip it over and hold it in a direct line with the sun.  You'll make out any work done. Even if they have used a brush or an air brush. You can see the difference."


This is true for many posters, but not all, as I point out above. But it is certainly a great starting point.

Good discussion!

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 05, 2012, 03:41:12 PM
Ok I finally figured it out...  My wife and I have been trying our best to figure out the mediums these guys are using to make these posters perfect...  

I am now convince that they all use acrylic paints when airbrushing...
 Even Poster Mountain...  My understanding is that this is only for airbrushing and is at the request of the client.  I also believe one restorer is using a acrylic resin based varnish from Golden to mix with his water colors.  The Varnish is reversible using solvents...  But PM is using both Createx and COM-ART - as I see the bottles on their blog...  Probably all of them are using acrylics...

Else they use watercolor pencils and blocks w/ water and brush.

I am also convinced that there is no practical way to produce the dramatic cover-ups and results with standard water colors...  The only success I have had is with a mixture of Gouache and Gum Arabic to create an opaque finish.

That is all for now I have a meeting... Discuss...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 05, 2012, 08:40:54 PM
So I know some opinions are that if you are getting a poster restored, then who cares...  I am finding this quite disturbing because acrylics are highly irreversible...  That perfectly restored poster you just bought is paper and plastic...  :o

I don't know just seems that most restorers laud about everything they do being reversible when this seems like a semi-truth.  Only reversible if you instruct us to only use water colors and to keep the airbrush in its holster...  And then you might not be happy with it because reversible doesn't do much!

Which then brings us back in a circle to what is conservation and restoration?

To tell you the truth, I am pretty close to pitching all the paints and pencils and just doing the conservation.  What do they call that? European style!  8)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on November 05, 2012, 08:49:54 PM

To tell you the truth, I am pretty close to pitching all the paints and pencils and just doing the conservation.  What do they call that? European style!  8)

Sold!

I really do want you to save my Italian Zorba and maybe a couple of other posters I have. I Like them the way they are.  I just dont want them to die.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on November 05, 2012, 09:04:54 PM
Sold!

I really do want you to save my Italian Zorba and maybe a couple of other posters I have. I Like them the way they are.  I just dont want them to die.

Zorba,

That is what I prefer, as well, in the cases where I had posters that I had conserved, as they were brittle, acid ravaged or had some minor fold splits, etc. I had John Davis (@ Poster Mountain) wash, de-acidify and back them, in order to save and maintain their integrity. At the same time, leaving their "bumps and bruises" to borders, etc, in order to reflect their history and "life lived" so to speak.

Good decision!  thumbup





Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 08, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Well all my goodies came in for the 'Paperback Experiment'...  I'll give it a try this weekend and report back!  I'm thinking my Skidoo insert is a great poster to play with.  ;D

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/skidoo_ins.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 09, 2012, 11:30:23 PM
OK so I couldn't find Skidoo one of the negatives of being disorganized....  So I just backed my Aladdin Insert:

So the holytex is surprisingly porous, I decided to try it with wheat paste first thinking that it would not penetrate the holytex and then I would do a layer of methyl cellulose to the paper backing... But the wheat paste came right through - oops...  Threw down the masa paper as the paper backing...  
(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-10.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-9.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-8.JPG)

My daughter loves it when the poster we are working is on is mine because she gets to work on it too... Rolling out the poster....

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-6.JPG)

All done and drying....
(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-4.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-3.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-2.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/paperbacking/PB-1.JPG)

More tomorrow when it dries!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 10, 2012, 11:48:43 PM
Well it was a complete success!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/IMG_0370-1000.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/IMG_0368-1000.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/IMG_0369-1000.JPG)

Trimmed:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/aladdin_US_INS_PB-1000.jpg)

Comparison (After is first/left):  Not a significant difference since I didn't bleach it.  But it is deacidified and I added the missing corner and burnished the fold/pin holes/tears...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/PB_COMP-1000.jpg)

Back B&A:
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/aladdin_US_INS_PB_B-1000.jpg)(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112012/aladdin_US_INS_Before_B-1000.jpg)

Overall the poster came out nice and fresh.  Stiff like new card stock...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 16, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
OK I've spewed crap all over my blog.

Experiments with fixative: http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2012/11/17/experiment-with-fixatives/

The second one is quite nice IMO. I just wrote it pretty much off the top of my head, so if I need to go further in depth on anything let me know...

The emerging necessity of a scale for conservation, support, and restoration: http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2012/11/17/emerging-necessity-of-a-conservation-support-and-restoration-scale/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 02, 2012, 08:20:57 PM
My wife is starting to really get good with the touch-ups.  The older posters are much easier to work on... Mel's Blonde Ice was one of the first posters I used filling compound (methylcellulose + Cellulose powder).  The compound took water colors really well.  Usually we had to airbrush the border area, but not with the compound.  No airbrushing required on this one...

Here is Mel's Blond Ice ready for framing (click to enlarge):

(http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/Blond_Ice_Comp_1000.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/pulpfixin/Blond_Ice_Comp.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on December 02, 2012, 09:40:26 PM
Excellent work, Team Charlie.  thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on December 02, 2012, 09:42:02 PM
My wife is starting to really get good with the touch-ups.  The older posters are much easier to work on... Mel's Blonde Ice was one of the first posters I used filling compound (methylcellulose + Cellulose powder).  The compound took water colors really well.  Usually we had to airbrush the border area, but not with the compound.  No airbrushing required on this one...

Here is Mel's Blond Ice ready for framing (click to enlarge):


Thanks Charlie!  I hear rumors of hearsay you'll be up in DC soon, mayhaps I shall invite you to my poster lair, not for the faint of heart  8)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 02, 2012, 10:20:49 PM
Thanks Charlie!  I hear rumors of hearsay you'll be up in DC soon, mayhaps I shall invite you to my poster lair, not for the faint of heart  8)

Looking forward to it Mel.  Don't tell Ted though, I know he'll be jealous when he finds out I get to see the Inauguration...  ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 02, 2012, 11:34:23 PM
Excellent work, Team Charlie.  thumbup

Thanks Neo!  I am really excited about the filling compound. It really makes things easy.  Another secret unlocked... (I think - since it may or may not be a secret  :-\)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 16, 2012, 03:42:13 PM
Finally getting to do some of my stuff now..  Did 5 smaller posters, 3 daybills, 2 locindinas, and then I decided to try something more difficult...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122012/conspirator_front_before.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122012/conspirator_back_before.jpg)

The tape was a bitch and I ended up having to pull out the steamer.  The blue didn't fully come off in a few spot but faded to negligible and the borders started to fall apart from the abuse.  There were terrible tape stains that scared the hell out of me.  But in the end the bleach did the job and I am quite satisfied...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122012/conspirator_during.jpg)

I love this stuff! Especially when it's mine and there is no pressure...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on December 16, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Quite a transformation there Charlie.  Good work!

I do have to ask - who in the hell was trying to peddle that for $150 in that condition?!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 16, 2012, 03:50:18 PM
Quite a transformation there Charlie.  Good work!

I do have to ask - who in the hell was trying to peddle that for $150 in that condition?!

I know.  I thought the same thing.  My crack dealer's posters also have these high prices on the back.  Man, if I could get the prices on the back of my posters I'd be pretty well off... :) 

Thankfully, it didn't sell and I picked it up on the cheap from Bruce...

Did you notice the Spanish stamp under the regular English stamp?  Maybe why it ended up taped and finger painted...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on December 16, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
Man, that poster looks great.
Good work, Charlie!
 cheers
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on December 16, 2012, 08:46:57 PM
Finally getting to do some of my stuff now..  Did 5 smaller posters, 3 daybills, 2 locindinas, and then I decided to try something more difficult...
I love this stuff! Especially when it's mine and there is no pressure...

Good work and great poster to boot!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on December 17, 2012, 02:04:26 AM
Holy Guacamole, top job Charlie!

Not only do we have the same tastes in posters......we have the same freaking posters!!! ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on December 26, 2012, 12:46:58 PM
Help me, Obi-Wan-Charlie, your're my only hope!

(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/CarmenJones-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 27, 2012, 07:43:05 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 30, 2012, 07:53:44 PM
Well our first experience doing masking with acetate and 3M repositionable spray was a huge success!!! I love it when they come out well... We did the borders and the 'Republic' title.  Also touched up her goods to eliminate the tape stain.  Masking - Check!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122012/tigerwomancomp.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on December 30, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
Looks very nice Charlie - always important to keep "the goods" in order ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on December 30, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
Looks GRRRRRREAT!

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5011497484026719&pid=1.7)  thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on December 30, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
01000111011100100110010101100001011101000010 000001101010011011110110001000100001 !!!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 30, 2012, 08:40:06 PM
I know I keep bombarding you guys; but I am still learning and my wife and I were really excited about the success of the masking.  For informational purposed here is what I used:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122012/acetateadh.jpg) 

What I can lend here is that the amount you spray on is important.  You only need a little as the acetate also adheres statically.  Too much can actually pull off work or paper.  Also always let it dry really well or the adhesive may end up on the poster.

From the side you can see the masking and some previous touchup.  The acetate is removed with a exacto knife very carefully.  The previous touch-up was part of layering that sometimes helps...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122012/acetateside.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on December 30, 2012, 08:42:47 PM
Was that a tape mark going from her B cups upwards previously?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 30, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
Was that a tape mark going from her B cups upwards previously?

Yeah it was on the back of the poster that had darkened.  Either that or Mel had some fun with it before he mailed it on... Single guys  eyeroll; I washed it though...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on December 30, 2012, 08:48:07 PM
Yeah it was on the back of the poster that had darkened.  Either that or Mel had some fun with it before he mailed it on... Single guys  eyeroll; I washed it though...

 bed1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on December 30, 2012, 08:56:46 PM
Yeah it was on the back of the poster that had darkened.  Either that or Mel had some fun with it before he mailed it on... Single guys  eyeroll; I washed it though...

It's come up a treat!!! Congrats!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 30, 2012, 09:06:02 PM
It's come up a treat!!! Congrats!

You know I got sent to the principal's office and detention for putting your girl on my computer in high school.  I kept telling them nothing was showing - they wouldn't listen.  Damnit!

(http://www.anmm.gov.au/webdata/resources/photogallery/18_GR505_Elle_Resized.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on December 30, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on December 30, 2012, 11:05:48 PM

(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm146/eastbolt/Animated%20Hearts%20and%20stuff/bigbeatingheartgif.gif) (http://www.anmm.gov.au/webdata/resources/photogallery/18_GR505_Elle_Resized.jpg) (http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm146/eastbolt/Animated%20Hearts%20and%20stuff/bigbeatingheartgif.gif)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on December 30, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
I like this one better ..

aHR0cDovL3d3dy5pbWFnZWJhbS5jb20vaW1hZ2UvNGI1 ZDA4OTEyODc4NjQ=
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 25, 2013, 10:34:38 PM
Well, my first post of the year will be to showcase what my wife and I did last year... I didn't realize how many we did and I didn't even catalog most of mine!

Enjoy...

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/ba/2012-2/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on February 25, 2013, 10:41:23 PM
Well done Charlie!  Kick ass work.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on February 25, 2013, 11:57:53 PM
Kudos to Team Charlie!   clap
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on February 26, 2013, 12:35:46 AM
I just want to thank all the staff at Pulpfixin, service second to none (don't tell Dario I said that), progress pics, the whole biz., thanks again!

Btw, how old is your youngest staff member again?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on February 26, 2013, 08:01:55 AM
Very impressive!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 26, 2013, 11:13:32 AM
Btw, how old is your youngest staff member again?

Well our latest recruit is only 5!  Fact is, unlike those big Poster Restoration Houses, there are only three of us here at Pulfixin and two of us are full time engineers and the third a full time student!  We strive to make your posters feel at home, sometimes keeping them 3 to 6 months (or longer)!  We charge the lowest fees in the business for movie poster restoration (a daybill here, a one sheet there), heck we don't even have a price list.  Why? We don't really care if we get your movie poster restoration business or not!  I've got a shit load of my own posters to do... In fact, you have to be cleared by my five year old before we will accept your poster.  Every poster in she starts the assessment:

"Is that Mel's?"  
-"Nope"
"That guy from Australia?"...
-"Not this time."
"Someone from the internet? Where did you get it? Who gave it to you? Is it yours daddy?"  
-"Yep..."
"Yeah!" (because I only let her help on mine)

Else, three strikes you are out!  Sometimes we are selfish and back our own posters before yours (sucks to be you!).  We also like to experiment... a lot!  Often drinking a beer or two during the process while dancing to the latest Black Keys album.  

And the best part - we are still learning!  We are getting better with every poster.  So send them on down to good ol' Texas for some southern hospitality.  I'll keep them a while... Seriously. It may be winter again before you get them back.  ;)

Very impressive!
I just want to thank all the staff at Pulpfixin, service second to none (don't tell Dario I said that), progress pics, the whole biz., thanks again!
Kudos to Team Charlie!   clap

Well done Charlie!  Kick ass work.

Thanks Guys!

All kidding aside, we do take things quite serious and feel we've come a long way.  Looking back, I would do many of the first posters differently now.  I could have made some more presentable with the filling compound and masking techniques.  

What is next?  Well larger posters for Z and I am trying to figure out a way to starch back a DS poster to remove shipping damages (short of buying a heat press)... and techniques on repairing DS posters...  I've got some test pieces so stay tuned...  
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on February 26, 2013, 11:39:53 AM
Great satire Charlie  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on February 26, 2013, 01:15:45 PM
Im still waiting for you to take some 6-sheets! :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on February 26, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
Im still waiting for you to take some 6-sheets! :)

I'll take em


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on February 26, 2013, 07:22:25 PM
Well done Charlie!  Kick ass work.

Kick ass is perfect. Great stiff Charlie.

What is next?  Well larger posters for Z

Looking forward to it!  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on February 26, 2013, 07:26:29 PM
Kick ass is perfect. Great stiff Charlie.

Looking forward to it!  ;D

Great stiff from me too!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on February 26, 2013, 10:36:49 PM
Great stiff from me too!

 ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on February 27, 2013, 07:51:02 AM
Hi Guys,
First post here, yes I'm a newbie from Leuven , Belgium (home of some of the best beers, except Blue Moon offcourse  ;D).
I have some old posters laying around that could use a (cheaper diy) linen backing.
Most of the stuff I have is theme-based: Star Wars , Disney (Italian 2&4 sheets) , aviation + Sabena (former Belgian airliner) , Belgian tourism posters (Ostend, Leuven , Brussels, ...) , .... and some extra odd ones.
I do not really collect to collect and try to display most of them.
And now I want to make sure that those that are on "hold"  :'( , are kept safe.
In the passed I backed a few posters on japan paper, it worked out great with the Belgian small movie posters but it was a mess with the big Italian stuff.
The fold lines in the Italian 4 sheet are too strong and it looked great at the beginning but after a few months the fold lines came back , so those big sheets definitely needs linen backing.

So I really want to follow into Charlie's footsteps.
Last days/weeks I have been doing some research and I think I have seen most of the youtube movies (yes also those featuring Chris C.) and read a lot of articles.

But Charlie , you have set the best example until today.
I am not planning to do full resto work (like colour touch up / airbrush) on the posters, but I would like to get them washed (bleached?) and backed for preservation.

But still a few things are not clear to me, so any practical advise on this would be more then appreciated.

1. set up of the frame with canvas ?
do you just stretch it by hand (or do you use a specific tool /pliers?) and staple it
then wet it , to get it more tight ?

2. could you give me a link to a shop selling Masa paper?
I haven't been able to find a shop in Belgium (seems that the term Masa is not really used here)
also dimensions and thickness/weight would be handy. So i could look for a similar paper in Belgium
The Cotton canvas used is it still the same as the one that is visible in one of your photos (or have you updated to a better canvas?)

3. what kind of glue do you use, how do you make it , how do you apply it ?
For the japan backing I did use corn flour glue , for what I read about it , it's a bit whiter (less visible) when it dries.
But other then that I do not think it has a benefit to regular wheat glue.
What is the cooking process of the glue:  the mixture ? and do you sift it afterwards, let it cool down? ....  
if you glue the masa to the canvas: is the canvas still wet , also glued ? glue on one side of the masa ? and if so on which side?

4. How do you wash / bleach the posters ?
if I have read correctly , you use a few baths (de-acifying /bleach / rinse) , what is in those baths ?
bleaching solution and mixture . How long do they bath?
I guess the bleaching bath is NOT without risk, but what about the de-acifying bath, is this risk free ?
(cause I have a few poster that are in mint condition, so they will only need to be stabilized (de-acifyed) and backed
I noticed that you asked a similar question to Dario , have you got a reply on that one ?
Quote
f you still want to chip in (and you can always PM me):  CaOH2 or CaCO3?  and CaClO2 or Chlormine-T?  I am leaning towards CaOH2 and CaClO2... and Acetic Acid baths...
I found this info ,not being a chemist , this is a bit out of my league.
so if there is a 'ready to use' solution, that would come in handy.
http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/pcc/19_bleaching.pdf
If you wet the posters will a soap based solution help the cleaning process ?
(i saw it in one of the PM movies , where they clean a 6 sheet between 2 layers of Mylar)
If so what kind of soap/solution can be used ?

5. Get the poster backed:
So i guess, the canvas and masa is still wet .
Is there (extra)glue on the masa paper (visible front side) or do you only glue the back of the poster?
(with the japan backing  I did ,I only glued the back of the (wet) poster)


I think that's all the questions I have for now  :-[
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on February 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM
also a link to the canvas duck would come in handy.
I just searched for the correct canvas 'doek' (as we say it in dutch, seems "duck" comes from our "doek") but I haven't found one that heavy/thick.
15oz is 500 grams?
http://www.ginifab.com/feeds/ozyd2_gm2/
highest I found for the moment is less then 400grams.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on February 27, 2013, 08:40:15 AM
probably solved that last question myself eyeroll
http://www.fredrixprintcanvas.com/assets/Pdf/newWHSE_PR.pdf
alltough I haven't found a page/link to the Belgian site.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on February 27, 2013, 02:52:14 PM
Welcome aboard  joemustang65  :)
Officially our second Belgian speaker...

Stew
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on February 28, 2013, 05:49:09 AM
Very impressive, Charlie.
Kudos to you and the 'staff.'
 cheers
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on March 02, 2013, 01:13:23 PM
Thx Stew, i will be on the look out for that guy.  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on March 02, 2013, 01:18:43 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2m4f820.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on March 02, 2013, 01:32:30 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2m4f820.jpg)

Nice, joemustang.

Is that poster from the 1950 RR?




Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on March 02, 2013, 01:42:30 PM
Ah  8) Jeff I was allready afraid that I scared everybody away.
question what is the best pic host to use on this forum (or in general, seems that jpegbay is not really working/suitable for this)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on March 02, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
People often use photobucket, flickr, weebly, etc.

They all work well as far as hosting images goes.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on March 02, 2013, 01:58:35 PM
OK Thx Jeff
I'll try one of those out.

To Dario and the other restorers outthere, I have absolutely NO intention to do this stuff as a living or even to do it for others.
I just want to get some of my old litho posters backed, and since I'm a handy & curious man I sometimes like to do stuff myself.
And as said I will not try out to touch up paperloss or paintbrush or whatever, just want to figure out the LB.
I have for the moment 3 poster at a local restorer, and just bought another that will leave next week.
So no worries, I know my limits,and I am not trying to steal somebody's job.

the poster that will leave this week for restoration, sorry  ;D not a movie poster but as said I have a lot of old Belle Epoque (art nouveau) posters as well. Advantage of the vintage stuff is that it is mostly a no brainer on the LB question.

(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k624/joemustang65/IMG_1119.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: joemustang65 on March 02, 2013, 02:37:25 PM
and this one below is gone aswell.
together with an italian 2 sheet SW Papuzza poster
sorry for the crappy colours , I messed with the colour setting of the camera
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k624/joemustang65/IMG_0626.jpg)

as you can see on this pic, colours are vivid.

(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k624/joemustang65/IMG_0639.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on March 08, 2013, 08:53:36 PM
Some afternoon fun...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/032013/IMG_0691.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/032013/IMG_0692.JPG)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/032013/IMG_0693.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/032013/IMG_0694.JPG)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on March 08, 2013, 09:05:17 PM
So you are having a great friday.

Great posters you have to play with.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on March 08, 2013, 09:08:54 PM
Some afternoon fun...

Yup!  pcorn
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on March 08, 2013, 10:07:13 PM
So you are having a great friday.

Great posters you have to play with.

I wonder who's they are? ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on March 08, 2013, 10:12:54 PM
I wonder who's they are? ;)

Zorba...you cheeky devil, you never told us you had those posters?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on March 08, 2013, 10:13:34 PM
Zorba...you cheeky devil, you never told us you had those posters?

Now who's playing games?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on March 08, 2013, 10:18:04 PM
You ask a lot of questions!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on March 08, 2013, 10:23:40 PM
You ask a lot of questions!

"No, old man. Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now..."
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on March 08, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
"I didn't hear what the bet was."

"Your life."
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on March 09, 2013, 08:49:12 AM
I wish they were mine.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on March 20, 2013, 08:31:44 AM
Charlie and wife must have used some "voodoo" trickery to get my Voodoo Woman looking so good  ;)

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE2/2013-03/Voodoo%20compare.jpeg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on March 20, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
Great job Charlie!

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on March 20, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Thanks guys...  We put it in the mail today for you Mel...

This was one of the first poster I did the paste fill on. Check out the 'right after linenbacking' shot. My before shot was before I knew there was tape on the back.  My wife had to in-paint the entire dress area and the other two cross folds. I would like to say that our feeling about this hobby are straight in line, which is a great thing - we are both near-perfectionist.   At one point we were thinking about masking off all the areas outside the black borders to make it consistent...  Blacks are never black!

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_0339.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on March 20, 2013, 08:18:49 PM
Great trifecta right there
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on March 20, 2013, 09:54:43 PM
 clap clap clap clap clap clap
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on March 24, 2013, 02:15:34 AM
She's got to be framed!  Look how the colors popped after...

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/conspirator_comp1.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on March 24, 2013, 02:40:22 AM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on March 24, 2013, 08:10:00 AM
Wow, what an improvement!
You guys gave that beat-up old beauty a new lease on life.
Impressive.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: rdavey26 on March 24, 2013, 08:20:03 AM
Great job Charlie and Family. I hope that you are teaching the little one the tricks of the trade.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on March 24, 2013, 10:30:33 AM
Great work on the Conspirator - always loved that poster too...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 03, 2013, 11:32:36 AM
One Year Anniversary!

Thanks for putting up with me.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on April 03, 2013, 02:55:51 PM
One Year Anniversary!

Thanks for putting up with me.


Remind me, what were our choices again?  ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on April 04, 2013, 11:09:24 AM
 clap clap clap
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on April 04, 2013, 04:54:48 PM
I have to say Charlie, I'm board-line setting up something like you have, purely from reading this thread.

Well done fella, you are quite the restorer... happy1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on April 14, 2013, 07:16:54 AM
Great stuff Charlie!

What would you say is the correct amount of calcium carbonate to put in to your wheat starch?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 15, 2013, 11:50:40 PM
Great stuff Charlie!

What would you say is the correct amount of calcium carbonate to put in to your wheat starch?

Thanks!

Not sure what you are using but the stuff I use from Talas recommends: To buffer it, add 10% (by weight) of calcium carbonate.

http://apps.webcreate.com/ecom/catalog/product_specific.cfm?ClientID=15&ProductID=17214

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on April 18, 2013, 06:25:18 AM
Thanks Charlie, I figured it would be around about that quantity!

I appreciate your help!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on April 18, 2013, 05:49:48 PM
One Year Anniversary!

Thanks for putting up with me.



Gratz and look for the posterman later next week.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on April 22, 2013, 01:29:05 AM
Congrats Charlie! Love you new av btw.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 22, 2013, 10:06:37 AM
Congrats Charlie! Love you new av btw.

Thanks!  Yeah I'm digging my new av too...  So cool to have found it.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 06, 2013, 04:09:56 PM
Hey Charlie

What is your preferred wheat paste recipe? I have been looking on the net and there seems to me a few different slants on it? I don't know why but I am a little worried about using sugar. Silly to be worried?  :o

As always your help or anyone elses would be invaluable!

John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 06, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
http://www.preservationequipment.com/Store/Products/Conservation-Materials/Mounting-$4-Framing/Wheat-Starch

http://apps.webcreate.com/ecom/catalog/product_specific.cfm?ClientID=15&ProductID=17214
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 07, 2013, 07:48:57 AM
Thanks for the reply Charlie. I am in the UK and have access to the wheat starch. It is the actual cooking of it that I need to know. What is the best way to cook it? Cheers, John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on May 07, 2013, 07:59:33 AM
Aren't there acid free wallpaper adhesives, maybe with fungicides, that would make it a lot easier and be as effective?

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 07, 2013, 08:19:01 AM
Aren't there acid free wallpaper adhesives, maybe with fungicides, that would make it a lot easier and be as effective?



I don't really trust that stuff...  I know PM uses a wallpaper adhesive.  I am more on the side of knowing what has been tested time over time and known for probably hundreds of years.  We have no idea what that stuff will do over time...  It has to have preservatives to keep it from spoiling etc...

Thanks for the reply Charlie. I am in the UK and have access to the wheat starch. It is the actual cooking of it that I need to know. What is the best way to cook it? Cheers, John

Cooking it is easy.  You just add the CaCO3 mix it up so it looks like milk; let it sit/soak for an hour or so and then cook on medium heat until nice and creamy/sticky... But don't over cook it, lumps will form.  Then let it cool first - I stick mine in the fridge for a few hours.  Then you can make batches and thin it down with distilled water using a blender...  Always strain it to remove any lumps - don't want those under the masa or poster....
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 07, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
Great that sounds easy enough! I had an interesting reply on another forum regarding the adding of calcium carbonate to the wheat paste mix. One restorer said that the water in the mix needs to be slightly acidic so that the CaCO3 dissolves as H2o with a PH of 7 cannot do it. He said that bicarbonated water can be used as it is slightly acidic (5.5 to 6.5). At 17p for a large 2 litre bottle it's not too expensive purchased from ASDA (U.S. equivalent is Wal-Mart). I don't know about your neck of the woods but distilled water is bloody expensive over here so the idea of using bicarbonated (because of the price primarily) appeals to me much more!! The restorer also suggested using the bicarbonate water during the bathing procedure with CaCO3 as well.

Charlie do you add sugar to your mix?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on May 07, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
 pcorn  8)

Stew
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 07, 2013, 01:47:21 PM
Great that sounds easy enough! I had an interesting reply on another forum regarding the adding of calcium carbonate to the wheat paste mix. One restorer said that the water in the mix needs to be slightly acidic so that the CaCO3 dissolves as H2o with a PH of 7 cannot do it. He said that bicarbonated water can be used as it is slightly acidic (5.5 to 6.5). At 17p for a large 2 litre bottle it's not too expensive purchased from ASDA (U.S. equivalent is Wal-Mart). I don't know about your neck of the woods but distilled water is bloody expensive over here so the idea of using bicarbonated (because of the price primarily) appeals to me much more!! The restorer also suggested using the bicarbonate water during the bathing procedure with CaCO3 as well.

Charlie do you add sugar to your mix?

The wheat paste it self is slightly acidic (5.5 to 6.5) so the CaCO3 is to buffer that acidity.  I know you have asked about how much to add but I think the goal would be to add enough to get around 8 on a ph stick...  I tend to add more than 10% so I stopped measuring every batch, because it also acts as a smoothing agent and my wheat paste comes out like melted butter with the thickness of say honey or really hot cheese dip - easy to spread.  I do not add anything other than CaCO3 to my wheat paste.

I no longer use CaCO3 as a deacidifying agent or to load up the paper with a buffer.  I deacidify it and like to think the additional CaCO3 in the wheat paste mix acts as a mild buffer...  Just remember that the point is to bring up the PH but also place agents in the wheat paste or poster to counter act additional acid build up.  The additional CaCO3 will react with acids from pollutants and cellulose breakdown - hopefully all the sizing agents are removed (not 100% on this one) but it can also help counteract any additional acid buildup from these agents as well if still present.

Sugar?  Not sure where this came from.  Please let me know what is the benefit of this if you can find out...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 07, 2013, 02:28:58 PM
Interesting points! Maybe when the paper absorbs the calcium carbonate in the wheat paste there is no real need to bath the poster in it.

I just thing the sugar gives the paste extra stickiness that is all but that is something that probably isn't needed.

I bought some calcium carbonate but it is grey not white. Is this correct or have I bought the wrong stuff? On Wikipedia it states that 'when it is pure it is white however in its natural state it is grey'. Do you think the grey is ok to use?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on May 07, 2013, 02:53:20 PM
Hi Guys,

We beat the Wall paper issue to pulp many many years ago.

I am in the camp that one should not use wall paper Glue, It think it's called Shurestick 5000? or something like that.

The chemicals used for mold/mildew protection in Wall paper glue is probably not good for Vintage poster paper.No long term data exists.

Call up a a museum or a paper tank and ask if they use wall paper glue. They'll hang up on you!

Nori paste has been tried and tested for a very long time and used by most paper restorers.

I think it is to cut corners, Since Nori paste involves cooking and cool down/cure, good to go next day. No sooner.

Sugar?? After all these years that is news to me. I think I keep it for my coffee.

Other than that Charlie got the paste down. Yeah you want to land a bit higher on the Ph indicator Ph8-9-10

All the best,
dario
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 07, 2013, 03:01:53 PM
Thanks for the info Dario...if I can ask do I have the right calcium carbonate?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on May 07, 2013, 06:16:59 PM
I am sure it has the same value, but I would use White Calcium Carb as precautionary, just in case Grey stains white paper.

dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 08, 2013, 03:13:51 AM
Great thanks for your help Dario I appreciate your help!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 08, 2013, 04:20:28 AM
I purchased a large roll of 12oz cotton duck which seems to be good stuff. Do you recommend washing it first or just using it directly from the roll? Cheers, John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on May 09, 2013, 05:01:53 PM
It is a very clean product already. So I wouldn't worry about it.

dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 09, 2013, 10:39:49 PM
Thanks Dario I thought it best to check first  :o
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 21, 2013, 01:09:30 PM
Cooking it is easy.  You just add the CaCO3 mix it up so it looks like milk; let it sit/soak for an hour or so and then cook on medium heat until nice and creamy/sticky... But don't over cook it, lumps will form.  Then let it cool first - I stick mine in the fridge for a few hours.  Then you can make batches and thin it down with distilled water using a blender...  Always strain it to remove any lumps - don't want those under the masa or poster....

Great Charlie what are the approximate quantities of the ingredients you use? I have read vastly differing quantities and amounts on dozens of web sites? Many thanks in advance, John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 25, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Anyone?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 25, 2013, 06:34:31 PM
4 Cups Water to 1 Cup Wheat Paste...  That is what Talas has on the bag and what my mix is plus the CaCO3.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on May 26, 2013, 06:32:29 AM
Brilliant! Thanks Charlie!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 03, 2013, 02:08:45 PM
Hi

Had my first go at making wheat paste this afternoon. I cooked it 1 cup to 4 cups water (although I did need to use about another cup of water), added 10% calcium carbonate and cooked for 40 minutes on a low heat. I let it cool then sieved it but I was half expecting the end result to be transparent but as you can see from the photograph it wasn't.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/skywalker71/2013-06-03182925_zps687efb18.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/skywalker71/media/2013-06-03182925_zps687efb18.jpg.html)

Does this look correct?

John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 03, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
Hi

Had my first go at making wheat paste this afternoon. I cooked it 1 cup to 4 cups water (although I did need to use about another cup of water), added 10% calcium carbonate and cooked for 40 minutes on a low heat. I let it cool then sieved it but I was half expecting the end result to be transparent but as you can see from the photograph it wasn't.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/skywalker71/2013-06-03182925_zps687efb18.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/skywalker71/media/2013-06-03182925_zps687efb18.jpg.html)

Does this look correct?

John

Hard to tell...  Take a brush full and wipe it on a mirrored surface or solid surface and it should appear milky over that surface.  I've not cooked mine that long...  I cook on medium high and stir the whole time vigorously for about 8 to 10 minutes....  Huh? not sure maybe D will chime in...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 03, 2013, 02:52:48 PM
Oh, it won't be transparent after it cools...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 03, 2013, 02:56:22 PM
8 to 10 minutes? I must admit after 10 minutes it didn't look any different to what it did after 40 minutes...

It has now been left to cool and is only look warm. It has now set quite firm and even though I can break the skin on the top with my finger it is quite difficult to do with a paint brush...

Help!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 03, 2013, 03:03:56 PM
Did it get thick while cooking?  It should approach the consistency of honey and that is when you know you are almost done...  It does get translucent at that stage; but then after cooling gets more opaque...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 03, 2013, 03:05:20 PM
Did you soak it for an hour before cooking it?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 03, 2013, 03:06:35 PM
No I confess to not soaking it for an hour...is this important Charlie?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 03, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
It did get like honey....more like cake mix really...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 03, 2013, 03:35:32 PM
No I confess to not soaking it for an hour...is this important Charlie?

You will get a smoother paste I think... I've never not soaked it; but the instructions call for it. 

Here this may help you out...

http://www.cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/annual/v26/bp26-28.pdf
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 03, 2013, 05:17:58 PM
Thanks for that Charlie I will read it tomorrow as it is late now in the UK. I did a quick video of a second batch I did (looked almost the same as the first)...wheat past was cooked for 10 minutes and left to cool for 15 minutes when I did this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RpXrodsvRU

What do you think?

Thanks, John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 03, 2013, 10:23:50 PM
I think it is a private video...   :D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 04, 2013, 03:18:27 AM
Oops sorry try this http://youtu.be/4RpXrodsvRU

 ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on June 04, 2013, 03:47:48 AM
Oops sorry try this http://youtu.be/4RpXrodsvRU

 ;)

Nope, still private for me. Sign out of youtube and click the link, else try the link from another browser. Is there a youtube setting to not make it private?

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on June 04, 2013, 04:03:59 AM
Private and locked on this end, too.



Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 04, 2013, 04:10:49 AM
Third time lucky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RpXrodsvRU

Thanks, John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on June 04, 2013, 04:12:11 AM
That's got it thumbup



Not too fascinating... ;)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on June 04, 2013, 01:06:37 PM
All of the links worked here..!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on June 04, 2013, 01:08:35 PM
Thumbs up, too, after your last fix. Plays on this end, now, too!

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on June 04, 2013, 01:19:51 PM
Third time lucky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RpXrodsvRU

Thanks, John

Mine doesn't look quite like that... Mine looks pretty much like Figure 6 on the pdf... That looks like toothpaste...  What type of paste are you using - brand and place you got it?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Skywalker71 on June 04, 2013, 01:59:57 PM
Hi Charlie,

This is the cheapest type I could source in the UK... the Chinese supermarket variety... I have had a quick look on Google and there are conservation companies who sell their variety. I thought it was all the same product?

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/skywalker71/2013-06-04183920_zpsea40a9c5.jpg) (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/skywalker71/media/2013-06-04183920_zpsea40a9c5.jpg.html)
John
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on July 23, 2013, 09:42:52 PM
Updated the site while at home sick today...  Yay?

Completed: http://www.pulpfixin.com/blog/ba/2013-2/

Upcoming/In-Progress: http://www.pulpfixin.com/blog/status-page/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on July 23, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
Looks like you're staying busy, Charlie.  Good work.  cool1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on July 23, 2013, 10:43:14 PM
Impressive doings Charlie - you (and the Mrs.) have come a long way in a short time!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on July 23, 2013, 11:02:03 PM
Impressive doings Charlie - you (and the Mrs.) have come a long way in a short time!

+1

Very impressive.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on July 23, 2013, 11:08:58 PM
Thanks guys... wish I could find more time to do more!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: rdavey26 on July 24, 2013, 01:21:31 AM
Great work Charlie and the wife. All look great and it looks as if you have been very busy.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on July 24, 2013, 06:45:28 AM
Hell hath frozen over - I really like that Cover Girl daybill:

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE2/2013-07/Cover%20Girl.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on July 24, 2013, 11:35:36 AM
Rita will have that effect (or is it affect?) on you  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 19, 2013, 10:25:11 PM
Well Dr. J convinced me to do a few of mine that I've been wanting to do...  This one turned out great!  Rich (http://movieposterbid.com/) scored me this Sabrina US OS full of acid and tanning - Thanks guy! But behind all of it was one of the best preserved copies I've seen!

After an intense session including two deacidification and bleach treatments, I finally got the colors to pop!  I am not sure what happened but the bleach just stopped bleaching, so I had to neutralize it and deacidify it again and then the second bleach treatment worked...  In the after photo there are no paper repairs at all and only minor touch ups on the "R" in SABRINA and at the top crossfold...  I almost let it sit European style it was so nice.  I took a razor to scrape away some of the staining but that is it.  If anyone has ever held this poster in there hands, un-restored, the paper is terrible - thin and brittle.  It had to be done!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/Sabrina_Before.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/Sabrina_After.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 19, 2013, 10:54:15 PM
Lebanese Dirty Harry with Original linenbacking (no paper - assumed to provide strength)

Two videos showing how I soaked and removed the linen backing (first go to boot!)

http://youtu.be/XIjjgLrBMuM

http://youtu.be/uubEPBwbpGI

Backed:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/dirty_harry_leb.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on August 19, 2013, 11:50:28 PM
Well Dr. J convinced me to do a few of mine that I've been wanting to do...  This one turned out great!  Rich (http://movieposterbid.com/) scored me this Sabrina US OS full of acid and tanning - Thanks guy! But behind all of it was one of the best preserved copies I've seen!

After an intense session including two deacidification and bleach treatments, I finally got the colors to pop!  I am not sure what happened but the bleach just stopped bleaching, so I had to neutralize it and deacidify it again and then the second bleach treatment worked...  In the after photo there are no paper repairs at all and only minor touch ups on the "R" in SABRINA and at the top crossfold...  I almost let it sit European style it was so nice.  I took a razor to scrape away some of the staining but that is it.  If anyone has ever held this poster in there hands, un-restored, the paper is terrible - thin and brittle.  It had to be done!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/Sabrina_Before.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/Sabrina_After.jpg)

 thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on August 19, 2013, 11:57:36 PM
that looks great Charlie, but I knew it would because I knew Sabrina was structurally sound and there was obviously no paper loss.

congrats buddy
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 20, 2013, 12:05:35 AM
that looks great Charlie, but I knew it would because I knew Sabrina was structurally sound and there was obviously no paper loss.

congrats buddy

Don't read that wrong Rich (no sarcasm intended in my previous post). I am really thankful that you helped me out! You said it would turn out great, and it did...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on August 20, 2013, 12:33:56 AM
Amazing Charlie.  Looks fantastic!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on August 20, 2013, 02:06:12 AM
Nice Sabrina Charlie - top job!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on August 20, 2013, 04:18:49 AM
Yeah!!!...I agree with these two bums ^ Audrey looks beautilicious now!......and so she should. bed1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on August 20, 2013, 04:48:43 AM
And I agree with the 3 Bums previously... :D

And I'm thinking I should just send all my posters that need work to you Charlie........Mind you may have to pack in work, I have a fair few.. ;) 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on August 20, 2013, 11:44:59 AM
Yup, nicely done, Charlie!

Best,
dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on August 20, 2013, 06:52:04 PM
And I agree with the 3 Bums previously... :D



Three bums plus two for me.

Great work Charlie!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on August 20, 2013, 06:54:39 PM
Man this is getting to be a lot of ass cheeks!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on August 20, 2013, 07:33:33 PM
Man this is getting to be a lot of ass cheeks!

What's wrong with lots of ass?  :o
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on August 20, 2013, 08:10:53 PM
What's wrong with lots of ass?  :o

Queue the flood of ass images, some good, some...less so  pcorn
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on August 20, 2013, 10:35:01 PM
Queue the flood of ass images, some good, some...less so  pcorn

(http://dwellingintheword.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/donkeys.jpg)

Not what you were expecting muhahaha
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on August 21, 2013, 02:36:13 AM

Not what you were expecting muhahaha

 ;D

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 31, 2013, 08:38:06 AM
What a nightmare this one was...  But it's done.

Part 2 of the Hope Goddard Trifecta complete:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/NBTT_LB.jpg)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/110708atlagoodquest1.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on August 31, 2013, 08:55:46 AM
That looks great, Charlie and family thumbup



Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on August 31, 2013, 09:27:46 AM
What a nightmare this one was...  But it's done.

Part 2 of the Hope Goddard Trifecta complete:

Totally awesome restoration job and poster, Charlie!  You are now a "self-actualized" collector!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: wonka on August 31, 2013, 01:01:47 PM
How is this guy not involved in several litigation processes?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on August 31, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
That looks great, Charlie and family thumbup





+2

Pretty freaking sweet!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 31, 2013, 10:13:50 PM
Thanks guys!  Here is a better shot...  Going to have to order another frame from Robert.

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/NBTT_After_1000pxl.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: wonka on August 31, 2013, 10:42:49 PM
How is this guy not involved in several litigation processes?

Lul, thought I had the Posterfix thread up, but obviously it was in a different tab. My bad, Charlie. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on August 31, 2013, 11:53:47 PM
Lul, thought I had the Posterfix thread up, but obviously it was in a different tab. My bad, Charlie. Keep up the great work!

I thought you were suggesting Charlie make a career change ;)

As for the poster - looks great Charlie!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: wonka on September 01, 2013, 10:28:19 AM
I thought you were suggesting Charlie make a career change ;)

As for the poster - looks great Charlie!

Actually from the look of the work lately, I think Charlie has made leaps and bounds in his craft.

Random, but what is the largest size poster you can work with now, Charlie?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 03, 2013, 12:03:59 AM
Actually from the look of the work lately, I think Charlie has made leaps and bounds in his craft.

Random, but what is the largest size poster you can work with now, Charlie?

Only the one sheet/quad sizes...  I've made a frame for a 1/2 subway but haven't done that one yet and I have the 60" mylar for the larger stuff just haven't gotten around to it.   
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 03, 2013, 12:15:18 AM
Well I am not sure how most of you guys spent your labor day, but after the second round of my daughters kiddie shows I started working on some posters...  I had recently got in my 18 gauge blunt needles for a reasonably difficult frisket effort on my Dial M for Murder Half Sheet...  Basically you take the liquid form of the frisket put it in a 10cc syringe with the blunt needle and cover up all the little text on the poster.  It creates a impenetrable barrier so that you can airbrush the border or what ever you want to cover...   I had previously added the corners and used filling compound to even out all the dry rot or what ever had eaten away at some of the border...  It took three coats to get it all done and I had to violate my sacred principle of not using acrylic mediums, since it had to be opaque but it was only on the borders...  We still need to do some minor touch-ups on the lettering, that funky blue spot on the right, and put the tick marks on the bottom right. Else it's done...  Back to real work tomorrow!

Before:

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dial_m_half.jpg)

Almost After:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/092013/DialMHalf.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on September 03, 2013, 12:22:11 AM
Wow!...It looks awful purty.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on September 03, 2013, 12:30:33 AM
Wow!...It looks awful purty.

Indeed
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Matt on September 03, 2013, 01:55:04 AM
Put down another big tick for Charlie.      /
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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on September 03, 2013, 09:10:38 AM
Yep, a big tick from me too

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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: skyjackers on September 03, 2013, 09:25:05 AM
Great stuff. Here's a big tick from me also...
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/tick_zpse4a613df.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on September 03, 2013, 01:03:02 PM
No fair, I don't have any ticks, but I have a pocket full of.. happy1, and a boat load of, JOLLYFINE work Charlie..
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 03, 2013, 02:12:32 PM
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/tick_zpse4a613df.jpg)

Have you been saving this one for a while?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 03, 2013, 02:13:09 PM
Thanks everyone... This one was special to me and my self actualized collection.  ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: wonka on September 03, 2013, 11:30:46 PM
Only the one sheet/quad sizes...  I've made a frame for a 1/2 subway but haven't done that one yet and I have the 60" mylar for the larger stuff just haven't gotten around to it.   

K. Drop me a line when you want to explore the 3sh realm. Got some good stuff for you to mess with.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Silhouette on September 04, 2013, 02:26:12 AM
Very sexy job, well done!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: skyjackers on September 04, 2013, 04:13:07 AM
Quote from: Charlie
Have you been saving this one for a while?
[/quote

No I just googled big tick for an image because the text ticks didn't seem to be working. Saw the image and found it amusing, I guess you didn't? Regardless of the image your work is still very impressive, as the 'Great stuff' from my initial post hopefully indicated.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4531 on September 04, 2013, 06:19:15 AM
OK I am going to do it...  I guess the first topic should be basics on what linenbacking is etc...  I'll work up a skit....  Please feel free to drop some topics... It is not really possible to do one video on the whole thing...  So maybe:

Background & History
Basic Supplies
Tools
Tables
Building Frames
Canvas Stretching
Making Wheat Paste
Getting a poster wet
Washing
Chemistry
Deacidification
Bleaching
Placing the Masa
Placing the Poster
Paper Fills - Paper
Paper Fills - Pulp
Touch Ups
AirBrushing
Paper Types and what that means
Troubleshooting
Drying and Storage
Cutting it down
Trimming
Shipping

Hi APF people !!

New here... very interesting thread ! Kudos to Charlie & wife.

Sadly I can see that all pictures in first posts have disappeared, making it difficult to follow Charlie's path.

Topics listed above are great. I have already checked many videos online on linen backing but I am sure Charlie has some hidden secrets and great tips. 

Charlie, have you drafted any tutorial or DIY sheet about topics listed above ?? I would really interested with a basic list of supplies as well as chemistry side of it (deacidication and bleaching).

Thanks
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 04, 2013, 08:26:02 AM
Sadly I can see that all pictures in first posts have disappeared, making it difficult to follow Charlie's path.

welcome1

I cleared out my hosted APF folders a while back... I'll see if I can put the linenbacking stuff back up tonight...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on September 04, 2013, 08:26:51 AM
K. Drop me a line when you want to explore the 3sh realm. Got some good stuff for you to mess with.

I also have some 4 and 6 sheets I've been threatening to send for a while now too! ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 04, 2013, 09:10:12 AM
[quote author=Charlie
Have you been saving this one for a while?


No I just googled big tick for an image because the text ticks didn't seem to be working. Saw the image and found it amusing, I guess you didn't? Regardless of the image your work is still very impressive, as the 'Great stuff' from my initial post hopefully indicated.

No, I really thought it was hilarious! Actually lol a bit...  Just figured if I saw that pic I may have just saved it for later use...

 cheers 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 04, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
I also have some 4 and 6 sheets I've been threatening to send for a while now too! ;)

Well once we redo the kitchen (cabinets have been ordered) the plan is to dedicate an existing 3/4 or our informal for a studio - wife approved!  She really enjoys doing the touch-ups and paint mixing...

It has cathedral ceilings so one of the walls can be used for larger posters; even six sheets.  Maybe 6 months?     
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on September 04, 2013, 09:26:10 AM
the text ticks didn't seem to be working.

Don't mind me, it's a gag, half the things I write are to make me lol at myself.

If you've tried to make a tick (or other pattern/shape) via the keyboard you'll know the frustration of spending time thinking you got it right in preview, then in publish, wtf happened...


It has cathedral ceilings so one of the walls can be used for larger posters; even six sheets.  Maybe 6 months?     

Great, I might send you a 6 sheet, with a missing panel to recreate, cool


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on September 04, 2013, 10:13:03 AM
haha .. awesome! :) I may just send them to you now so that I dont forget ;)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: wonka on September 04, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
Well once we redo the kitchen (cabinets have been ordered) the plan is to dedicate an existing 3/4 or our informal for a studio - wife approved!  She really enjoys doing the touch-ups and paint mixing...

It has cathedral ceilings so one of the walls can be used for larger posters; even six sheets.  Maybe 6 months?     

Hurry up! My big posters are the priority here. :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on September 04, 2013, 11:33:47 AM
What a nightmare this one was...  But it's done.

Part 2 of the Hope Goddard Trifecta complete:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/082013/NBTT_LB.jpg)


WoW. The colours look incredible Did you do anything else to the main art or you just give it the ''standard'' bath? It looks fab. congrats
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 04, 2013, 11:09:39 PM
All done... Tick mark and all!  So that is a LB OS, LB HS, and 3SH frames I need to order from Robert... I am going to run out of wall space - better slow down. ;D


Before:

(http://pulpfixin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dial_m_half.jpg)

After:

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/092013/DialMHalf_Final_S.jpg)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 04, 2013, 11:29:09 PM
Hi APF people !!

New here... very interesting thread ! Kudos to Charlie & wife.

Sadly I can see that all pictures in first posts have disappeared, making it difficult to follow Charlie's path.

Topics listed above are great. I have already checked many videos online on linen backing but I am sure Charlie has some hidden secrets and great tips. 

Charlie, have you drafted any tutorial or DIY sheet about topics listed above ?? I would really interested with a basic list of supplies as well as chemistry side of it (deacidication and bleaching).

Thanks

Most of the pics are back up from early on...  Some I could not find.  Make sure to read through my blog there are some more pics and write ups...  A lot now that is outdated. 

Kind of in a weird place... When I started literally no one would help with the exception of a few tips from Dario...  I stumbled and fumble my way through developing my own techniques and process, studying tirelessly academic papers and reference sites for paper conservation.  Reviewing artist techniques in books and websites...  Experimenting on my own stuff which is when I grew the most (since I didn't want to botch other's posters)...  I did lose two posters... and many I did are sore to my eye as I could have made them much better with the knowledge I have now!

Not really sure how much I want to give away. I think I understand why Dario seemed to only to give a little information but never the answer I was looking for...  It's all here in the thread and all out there - it can be done again by a motivated individual.  And even though I feel like I've made great strides, there is even more that I can learn, more to experiment with... I am owning what I know, but there is more! 

Probably not the answer that you wanted, but please fell free to message me for a tip here or there... 

If that's not enough, Poster Mountain has a $5,000 weekend class...  But I wouldn't recommend taking it.  Study up and send me some questions.

-Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4531 on September 05, 2013, 04:39:21 AM
Most of the pics are back up from early on...  Some I could not find.  Make sure to read through my blog there are some more pics and write ups...  A lot now that is outdated. 

Kind of in a weird place... When I started literally no one would help with the exception of a few tips from Dario...  I stumbled and fumble my way through developing my own techniques and process, studying tirelessly academic papers and reference sites for paper conservation.  Reviewing artist techniques in books and websites...  Experimenting on my own stuff which is when I grew the most (since I didn't want to botch other's posters)...  I did lose two posters... and many I did are sore to my eye as I could have made them much better with the knowledge I have now!

Not really sure how much I want to give away. I think I understand why Dario seemed to only to give a little information but never the answer I was looking for...  It's all here in the thread and all out there - it can be done again by a motivated individual.  And even though I feel like I've made great strides, there is even more that I can learn, more to experiment with... I am owning what I know, but there is more! 

Probably not the answer that you wanted, but please fell free to message me for a tip here or there... 

If that's not enough, Poster Mountain has a $5,000 weekend class...  But I wouldn't recommend taking it.  Study up and send me some questions.

-Charlie

Thanks Charlie. This is very much the answer I was expecting !!! Thanks for putting the pictures back, very much appreciated... now I am gonna save this page before they disappear again.

Sure I don't ask you to reveal all your secrets... Totally agree with you, persistence and determination are king here. I have already watched so many videos about  linenbacking and paper restoration so I am ready to take the plunge and that's why your thread, experience and basic supplies list will help.  It seems fun !  The only issue I foresee is lack of space in my 3 bd apartment. Damn !

Again, thanks for the welcome and your invitation to send question to you.

- TheBigBoss
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: skyjackers on September 05, 2013, 05:14:35 AM
No, I really thought it was hilarious! Actually lol a bit...  Just figured if I saw that pic I may have just saved it for later use...

 cheers 

Cool, wan't trying to trivialise your talents  cheers
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on September 26, 2013, 01:43:14 PM
Hey Charlie, ever done a poster with day-glow colours?

I was curious how you match those up, if you have can you post some pics.. :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 26, 2013, 09:16:39 PM
Hey Charlie, ever done a poster with day-glow colours?

I was curious how you match those up, if you have can you post some pics.. :)

Not certain of any 'Day Glow' posters...  Would The Man Who Knew too Much be one?  What are some of the more common 'Day Glow' posters?
 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on September 27, 2013, 01:32:27 AM
I'm not sure about 1Shts, but there are quite a lot of Quads, and DC's with this effect. Hammer were quite fond of it in the 60's..

I'll see if I can post a few examples.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on September 27, 2013, 01:43:16 AM
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0686.jpg) (http://s590.photobucket.com/user/frankenstein31_photos/media/PICT0686.jpg.html)

(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0222.jpg) (http://s590.photobucket.com/user/frankenstein31_photos/media/PICT0222.jpg.html)

(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/Pauls%20posters/PICT0382.jpg) (http://s590.photobucket.com/user/frankenstein31_photos/media/Pauls%20posters/PICT0382.jpg.html)


These are much more fluorescent than they look, but you get the idea..
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on September 29, 2013, 02:18:43 PM
Hi Paul,

I haven't found anything that works. If you have a jar/tube of paint or a pencil that look like it is a match, as soon as you put it on the Day Glow it turns 10 shades darker.

I have tried Day Glow printing paint. Same thing.

It's a strange phenomenon.

Best,
dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on September 29, 2013, 02:30:03 PM
Many Thanks Dario, I was afraid of that. 

Does it do the same if you water down the paint or what ever your using to colour match? Just curious now..  I had a Day-glow poster done many years back, and the finish wasn't the best.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on September 29, 2013, 04:46:11 PM
Sorry Paul. It wouldn't make a difference.

Best,
dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on September 30, 2013, 11:30:43 PM
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/Pauls%20posters/PICT0382.jpg) (http://s590.photobucket.com/user/frankenstein31_photos/media/Pauls%20posters/PICT0382.jpg.html)

How cool is that?
Sweet posters, Paul.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on October 02, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
Thanks Ted, I have two day-glow posters that need some attention, one of them is possibly the only one left... :-\

And thanks again Dario for your input.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 110x75 on October 02, 2013, 03:40:39 PM
Thanks Ted, I have two day-glow posters that need some attention, one of them is possibly the only one left... :-\


Do you have any pic at hand Paul? Sounds interesting...

I have one day-glo, and luckily, in pretty good condition...

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y316/110x75/Collection%20-%20Argentinean%20Horror/DO.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on October 02, 2013, 04:07:10 PM
That is excellent Matias  thumbup

I don't have a pic at hand, but will take one when I get home in the Morrow..
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 18, 2013, 09:00:31 PM
Well my butt hurts, my back hurts, my hands hurt, and my feet hurt.  8 AM to 6 PM marathon backing session and two changes of clothes later...



A poster I got in trade from Mel finally coming back to life...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1463.JPG)

Happy Halloween ;)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1464.JPG)

Another treat for you...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1465.JPG)

Finally got to it Z!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1466.JPG)

It had to share space with Queenie - hope you don't mind...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1467.JPG)

Remember this photo from a while back that was posted?  It came from a Collier's article from June 1955 from one of Grace's Vacations.  I love being able to back what ever the hell I want and not think about having to pay anyone...  Or else this one would still be in the magazine...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1468.JPG)

Thanks dude, got it shining again...  Argentinian Lobby Card...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1469.JPG)

Here are some old projects that are still in the works...

Just needs touch up, but you don't want me doing it!

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1471.JPG)

Added borders to this Lebanese Dirty Harry, just need to blend them in.. (or total respray - still undecided)

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1472.JPG)

Don't ever use sharpie on any poster - just don't.  That means you too Mel! 

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1474.JPG)

Patched up and ready for blending/border spray...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1475.JPG)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on October 18, 2013, 09:18:28 PM
I think Grace trumps anyone anytime.

All Looks great Charlie.  You cant have Amy!  :)

Sweet looking German Bogart... :)






Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on October 18, 2013, 09:39:58 PM
Well my butt hurts, my back hurts, my hands hurt, and my feet hurt.  8 AM to 6 PM marathon backing session and two changes of clothes later...

A poster I got in trade from Mel finally coming back to life...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/102013/IMG_1463.JPG)

Looks great C. Yeah I messed that poster up by pulling off two pieces of tape from the front right in Newmans shirt.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on October 18, 2013, 10:11:09 PM
 cool1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on October 19, 2013, 08:11:39 AM
You have been busy, some jollynice stuff all the same..
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on October 19, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
Exciting.... I see some of mine!  thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Linkster on November 05, 2013, 04:07:47 PM
Hi Charlie,

Is this your work on EMP? I seem to recall you working these quads early on.

http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3168705
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3168707
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3168706
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 05, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Hi Charlie,

Is this your work on EMP? I seem to recall you working these quads early on.

http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3168705
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3168707
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=3168706

Yes Leslie we did all three of those for Dave...  Now I just need to figure out where I put our contract with that 50/50 resale clause. ;) 

Happy for you Dave!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Linkster on November 06, 2013, 12:23:47 AM
Yes Leslie we did all three of those for Dave...  Now I just need to figure out where I put our contract with that 50/50 resale clause. ;) 

Happy for you Dave!

 Nice. I'd take that as a pretty damn good endorsement of the quality of your and the family's work.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest8 on November 06, 2013, 08:52:56 AM
Thanks for all your help with those pieces Charlie! I will say that I have been very happy with Charlies work and wouldn't hesitate to send anything to him to work on. :)

As for the contract with the resale clause I'm dropping that in the mail today .. keep an eye out for it! If I don't hear back in the next day or so I'll figure you're just forfeiting your half! :P
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 06, 2013, 12:03:57 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys... 

I have found lately since it's not a main gig and more of a hobby for us, that we can't keep up.  I will probably be shutting down for a while (6 months or so) and finish off what I've got in my queue...  I've started to destroy my kitchen for a remodel and need to concentrate on that... 

It's been fun so far and I will have some more updates soon.  Just finished off paperbacking a Bridge on the River Kwai Insert that turned out really well. 

Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 07, 2013, 09:55:11 PM
Really excited how this turned out.  Bleached it and added the corner (lower right).  Worked on that stain best I could; maybe rust or a burn mark.  It just didn't want to come out.  I was afraid I was going to burn a hole in the damn thing with all the concentrate spot bleaching...  Note: Burnishing the creases are so easy for paperbacking because the paper it directly on a hard surface - most of them disappeared.  Also digging the Kodak strip for before and afters as well; no questions to be asked about the results...  Don't worry Matt she's been working on your "FOG" - she is telling me the dark colors are the hardest... And Z your Sierra is next...  We all went through the fall cold/flu bug the last two weeks - right after we got back from California...

Zoom (click) if you want...

(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112013/Kwai_Insert_Comp.jpg) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112013/Kwai_Insert_Comp.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on November 08, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
So wow! I just tried to hang my Kwai up and it didn't fit...  Looking at the photos the poster got wider by over 1/4 of an inch.  That is amazing!  I knew that after resizing they could swell but not that much...

Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: teamweapon on November 08, 2013, 03:26:23 PM
thats a FANTASTIC job done!!!
well done. you are getting pretty god damned amazing man!
:)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 14, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
So, I got the itch to stop the remodel and work on a poster until I realized, I can't make wheat paste!  My project that has made the other impossible!

Our kitchen in its current state:

Sink Area
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122013/IMG_0019.JPG)

Pantry/Oven
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122013/IMG_0025.JPG)

Stovetop Area
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122013/IMG_0027.JPG)

Best we can do at the moment...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/122013/IMG_0030.JPG)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on December 14, 2013, 11:10:08 PM
Sorry to hear you can't make wheat paste

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 15, 2013, 07:47:22 AM
I know, right.   :P

My poor wife puts up with a lot.  But she wanted a new kitchen so I am trying to make that happen...  But then got stuck at work all weekend and am about to go back, so no progress in a week.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Bruce on December 15, 2013, 08:30:43 AM
I wish I had one tenth of your energy, Charlie! I envy you.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on December 15, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
I'm just in front of you Charlie, I finished my Kitchen off this morning... woohoo
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on December 15, 2013, 08:41:28 AM
Good for you Paul, new kitchen just on time for Xmas. ;)

Charlie, oh oh that looks like a lot of work and lots of energy. I bet it will look incredible!!
 :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 15, 2013, 09:17:51 AM
I'm just in front of you Charlie, I finished my Kitchen off this morning... woohoo

Jealous!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 15, 2013, 09:18:48 AM
I bet it will look incredible!!

It will! 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on December 15, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
I wish I had one tenth of your energy, Charlie! I envy you.

My biggest fear, is that one day I will wake up and be able to sit still...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on December 15, 2013, 11:48:00 AM
Switch to digital restoration, lot less messy....

(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE2/2013-12/Audrey-repair.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 09, 2014, 10:09:09 PM
For Randy:  I new trick my wife has learn involving touching up the posters...  When we first started we operated under the assumption that you simply apply a single layer of medium like water color pencil, gouache, air brush whatever...  But what she is finding is that if you hit the creases or area with a similar background color first in water color, let it dry, and then go back with the pencils, they make much more of an impact.

Another thing I was experimenting with before my break (still ongoing - but we are simply a good day away from drywall!  woohoo) was with a thicker methyl cellulose.  I use it the replace a corner and it was awesome, there was very little run which prevented expansion in the paper and it made the repair really easy.  You are also suppose to be able to use it for removing old tape, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

I also did my first dry matte reversal of a "The Trouble with Harry" lobby card.  I temporarily adhered it to holy tex, basically a damp suction type hold, and hand pealed off the backing after it soaked for 4 or 5 hours... I have a few more like this one to do, but I may take the Poster Mountain approach and mechanically remove the foam core and then soak it in Bestine...

Else, I've been an acting electrician, plumber, duct man, and framer...  Not much going on here! 

But in a twist of luck for you!!!  I just accepted a position where I will have access to the World Cat and a vast online periodical database - so maybe it's time to write some white papers.  Besides it all in the technique anyway!  :P

Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: rdavey26 on February 09, 2014, 10:16:55 PM
Seems like restoration is a lot of work. What are your thoughts Charlie is it cheaper to do it yourself or easier to just send it off and have someone else do it??
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 09, 2014, 10:37:52 PM
Seems like restoration is a lot of work. What are your thoughts Charlie is it cheaper to do it yourself or easier to just send it off and have someone else do it??

I would say that the only cost savings is in backing those posters that you wouldn't send off - way on down the line after you've absorbed the costs.  Else, I've probably spent close to 4K at this point.  The learning curve is terribly expensive...  I've probably spent $1000 alone on touching up alone - air brush equipment (lucky I had a compressor - got a new little one for Christmas to replace the one for my nail guns), paints (before my break, I bought five different shades of purple to work on the Blood Simple ea @ $7 - $10), water color sets (on my fourth one - should have listen to Dario and Steve), brushes, frisket, acetate, tape (low adhesion tape is expensive), art knifes, etc...  Probably another $1500 so far in masa (I picked up two types a bright white and off white), canvas, Japanese mending, holytex, and mylar.  Then you've got the frames - I probably have made 15-20 frames of various sizes.  Then you need a device to staple/nail and stretch the canvas (lucky I had a finish nailer) - the manual stapler took too long, I burnt up the electric stapler and finally went with a pneumatic finish nailer with staples at a lower PSI as not to destroy the canvas...  Nails ain't cheap though $20 -$30 a box...  Then you have all the adhesives and chems and experimental stuff.  Wheat Paste, methyl, CMC, acetic, Calhydrox, alchohol, bleach, spot bleach, CT, on and on...  Now lets not forget the tables and baths... Tools to finish, burnishers, picks, q-tips, syringes, rollers (which I am to abandon thanks to a tip from Dario!) sand paper, fill, wash table.  My mylar drying setup...  Then you need a place to put all the goodies bought a $300 tool cabinet to keep the place clean...

I guess what I am trying to say is that it was never about saving the money after I got started.  I may have had some predetermined ideas about saving money at the beginning, but the challenge is where it is at for me!

So cheaper to do it yourself?  Maybe if you open a shop, hire someone, and slip yours in during slow times.  Else, IMO, it's a big commitment for less than at least 100 posters or so...

Hope I didn't burst any bubbles.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 09, 2014, 10:40:42 PM
Oh, forgot that it is taking up at least 400 sq ft of the house and the back porch and some of the garage... 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on February 09, 2014, 10:46:25 PM
I am knackered reading all that is involved. I agree with Bruce, I wish I had 10% of Charlie's energy thumbup


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: rdavey26 on February 09, 2014, 11:47:45 PM
Wow there is a lot involved. I have the energy to do it but not the space. Well maybe one day who knows. I guess for now I will just send them off if I need something done. Thank you Charlie for all the info and help.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on February 10, 2014, 01:10:07 AM
Good work, Charlie.  cool1

Have you thought about doing some gelatin resizing?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on February 10, 2014, 07:00:04 PM
I would say that the only cost savings is in backing those posters that you wouldn't send off - way on down the line after you've absorbed the costs.  Else, I've probably spent close to 4K at this point.  The learning curve is terribly expensive...  I've probably spent $1000 alone on touching up alone - air brush equipment (lucky I had a compressor - got a new little one for Christmas to replace the one for my nail guns), paints (before my break, I bought five different shades of purple to work on the Blood Simple ea @ $7 - $10), water color sets (on my fourth one - should have listen to Dario and Steve), brushes, frisket, acetate, tape (low adhesion tape is expensive), art knifes, etc...  Probably another $1500 so far in masa (I picked up two types a bright white and off white), canvas, Japanese mending, holytex, and mylar.  Then you've got the frames - I probably have made 15-20 frames of various sizes.  Then you need a device to staple/nail and stretch the canvas (lucky I had a finish nailer) - the manual stapler took too long, I burnt up the electric stapler and finally went with a pneumatic finish nailer with staples at a lower PSI as not to destroy the canvas...  Nails ain't cheap though $20 -$30 a box...  Then you have all the adhesives and chems and experimental stuff.  Wheat Paste, methyl, CMC, acetic, Calhydrox, alchohol, bleach, spot bleach, CT, on and on...  Now lets not forget the tables and baths... Tools to finish, burnishers, picks, q-tips, syringes, rollers (which I am to abandon thanks to a tip from Dario!) sand paper, fill, wash table.  My mylar drying setup...  Then you need a place to put all the goodies bought a $300 tool cabinet to keep the place clean...

I guess what I am trying to say is that it was never about saving the money after I got started.  I may have had some predetermined ideas about saving money at the beginning, but the challenge is where it is at for me!

So cheaper to do it yourself?  Maybe if you open a shop, hire someone, and slip yours in during slow times.  Else, IMO, it's a big commitment for less than at least 100 posters or so...

Hope I didn't burst any bubbles.

Have to say, I would love being able to learn how to do it, just for the pure joy of restoring a poster. I know people that have just the skills to get it right with no much training. So good for you! :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 11, 2014, 09:56:26 AM
Good work, Charlie.  cool1

Have you thought about doing some gelatin resizing?

It's pretty straight forward and I've thought about It, but I really like paperbacking vs. gel backing.  I don't see the point of gelatin resizing, when you could add support to the back of the poster.  I mean after resizing your poster they added mending strips on the edge.  Why not just paperback it? I think PM offers that service more for the print community vs. movie posters. I've not ever held/felt the result of a gelatin backed poster, so I am not sure if I am pre-judging the method. Maybe a comparison is in order at some point.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on February 13, 2014, 07:01:17 PM
please dont, think of the cows (pigs and horses).
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on February 13, 2014, 10:08:47 PM
Iwater color sets (on my fourth one - should have listen to Dario and Steve)....

What set do you recommend?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 14, 2014, 01:37:08 PM
What set do you recommend?

The most expensive one is actually the best!

http://www.amazon.com/Albrecht-Durer-120-Watercolor-Pencil/dp/B000KT73LK
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: paul waines on February 14, 2014, 01:53:59 PM
Yikes..
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on February 14, 2014, 09:39:55 PM
Yikes..

Yes, that's the exact set I use (the 3 tier set)


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on February 14, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Nothing finer than Faber-Castell for this kind of work.

The name & company have been around long enough... and they KNOW their pencils!!



Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on February 14, 2014, 10:29:21 PM
Guess my Crayolas aren't up to snuff eh?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on February 14, 2014, 10:32:51 PM
for daybills? PERFECT (had to beat them to it)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on February 14, 2014, 10:47:53 PM
Guess my Crayolas aren't up to snuff eh?

Crayolas are classic and WELL respected, too, Chris.   ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on February 14, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
OK - I am convinced me and my Crayolas are in good company!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: rdavey26 on February 15, 2014, 04:56:48 AM
Guess my Crayolas aren't up to snuff eh?
PEEEEEERRRRRFEEECT Chris. They will work wonder on those daybils of yours and Davids LMAO ;) ;D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on February 15, 2014, 05:19:10 AM
for daybills? PERFECT (had to beat them to it)


You beat em

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 15, 2014, 11:46:01 AM
I will also jump in and say that having multiple sets and water color blocks also help out when the Faber-Castell's don't match up...

We have a bunch of pencils bought individually from this set:

(http://clearlydelightful.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5512d253a88330120a53cbaed970c-500wi)

We have this set:

(http://www.artstuff.net/assets/images/der9632883.jpg)

We have this set:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2BjLmrgp1L._SY300_.jpg)

We started with this set of Goache:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxLfdiOt-FnatKDr0aX4gMamT0IDrZW6NW9uBi0gdmTR8bcLIfx2GNEyCxA0VBi1zMmtdscR21&usqp=CAY)

Been slowly replacing with individual tubes of this:

(http://www.bristolfineart.co.uk/cpimages/cameo_zoom/0605_1.jpg)

Airbrush is another poster some other day - we don't airbrush much anymore other than for border work...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 17, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
It has been over a year since I posted something to my blog.  John Reid's latest posts spark something worth writing about.  Soooo, a new rant has been posted.

http://pulpfixin.com/blog/2014/09/17/conservation-vs-restoration/
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on September 17, 2014, 04:28:06 PM
Great info as always Charlie! thumbup
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on September 17, 2014, 04:36:47 PM
Good write up -- especially for those who also may have assumed (or thought, or think) that the 2 terms are basically interchangeable, or one in the same.



Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 17, 2014, 04:43:03 PM
Good write up -- especially for those who also may have assumed (or thought) that the 2 terms were basically interchangeable, or one in the same.





I think the more important take-away is that we have all been lead to believe that restoration is conservation...  It is not.   I will add, that there is nothing inherently wrong with restoration w/o conservation, if you are willing to accept that risk with your collectible.

I think what is wrong, is being sold conservation when it is not truly conservation.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 17, 2014, 04:43:30 PM
Great info as always Charlie! thumbup

Thanks!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on September 17, 2014, 05:19:16 PM
Thanks Charlie, good reading thumbsup.gif

Good points. But wonder if both terms are more widely used in Europe..Meaning that we here are (sadly?) aware that are not the same. Over here there are plenty of conservation paper experts, but no restorers (or none that are good enough).  And they are very clear that they do JUST conservation work and if you ask, they will attempt MINIMAL restoration, so we are left with posters that have been preserved for eternity, but looking like in need of some good TLC. Which I think it makes the poster look worse.

I keep saying to them that i to ''conserve'' my poster, they dont need to conserve the mould marks thank you very much moron1
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 17, 2014, 05:30:01 PM
Thanks Charlie, good reading thumbsup.gif

Good points. But wonder if both terms are more widely used in Europe..Meaning that we here are (sadly?) aware that are not the same. Over here there are plenty of conservation paper experts, but no restorers (or none that are good enough).  And they are very clear that they do JUST conservation work and if you ask, they will attempt MINIMAL restoration, so we are left with posters that have been preserved for eternity, but looking like in need of some good TLC. Which I think it makes the poster look worse.

I keep saying to them that i to ''conserve'' my poster, they dont need to conserve the mould marks thank you very much moron1

Interesting...  I think the main problem in the US is that most of the prominent restorers and movie poster restoration pioneers are self taught and then that is passed down.  Here is a Restorer's Family Tree that I did for my forum. The .1s and .1.1s are people whom apprenticed under the lead restorer.  Maybe you guys can continue to help me build this.

Quote

1.       Igor Edleman (Edelman Restoration Studio) (Now run by Lena and Lara - not sure who the apprentice is, Rufat?)

     1.1.    Mario Cueva (Lumiere Poster Restoration)

2.       Jim Sanchez

3.       Joe Hernandez (Studio C)

     3.1.    Judy Jones (The Poster Patch)

     3.2.    John Davis (Poster Mountain)

          3.2.1. Melissa, Katie, & Chelsea (4th Cone)

     3.3.    Gordon Christman (Gordon G. Christman Restoration)

     3.4.    Sylvia Locken (Precision Restoration)

     3.5.    Susan Olson (Deceased - here is a very nice tribute.  She appears to have been a great gal)

     3.6.    Carol Tincup (Carol Tincup Fine Art Restoration) Can't find a site though.

     3.7.    Diane Jeffrey (Studio C)

     3.8.    Jaime and Norma Mendez (Jaime Mendez Restoration)

4.       J. Fields Studio (now Papersmith)

     4.1.    Chris Cloutier (Posterfix)

5.       Crowell Havens Beech

6.       Sei Peterson



The question becomes, were most of these "fathers", conservators or restorers.  If Joe Hernandez was not a conservator that is troubling...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 17, 2014, 05:34:11 PM
And they are very clear that they do JUST conservation work and if you ask, they will attempt MINIMAL restoration, so we are left with posters that have been preserved for eternity, but looking like in need of some good TLC. Which I think it makes the poster look worse.

I keep saying to them that i to ''conserve'' my poster, they dont need to conserve the mould marks thank you very much moron1

Yes but there are ways to do both... So we need to coin the term "conservation priority restoration"...  Meaning all work is done with conservation in mind including using conservation quality adhesives for support and archival mediums for image restoration.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on September 17, 2014, 06:50:23 PM
That's Crazy! These are two completely different words. I would assume most collectors knew this?

Conservation is, stop deterioration, maintain the paper. Restoration is cosmetics. The only  restoration approach that I would use the word Conservation is when I do a Museum/conservation mend. Kozo/Mulberry tissue, Methyl cellulose and a piece of vintage paper to fill a spot or mend a tear. That is it.

It's been seventeen years now of Linen Backing and restoration. I have seen everything. Here's a interesting fact. Over the years gotten poster that true Conservators/book binder been Linen backing and restoring.  They been backed pretty OK, but since they are really conservators. They will only do Conservation/museum mends. Which is fine, but these collectors was not happy with the results. They sent the poster to me to complete the work. Make them look more flush and representable. ( I don't particularly care to work on others mess )

Majority of these poster are from Euro, especially UK. I guess a lack of talented Linen backer/restorers and trust worthy folks???

I restore for Collectors, dealers, galleries and auctions. 98 % want the complete look. A very few and far in between ask for just Museum/conservation mend.

The very few times I have been asked to do only Museum/conservation mend on posters. I usually get the "Dario I should have listen to you" when they get the poster back.
 
If I, Poster Mountain, Studio C and so on would only do pure Museum/conservation mend with vintage paper, we would all close shop.

I started collecting in 1983 the culture that a poster should be restored to look as good as possible was in full swing before that. So I don' know when it started.

We have certainly toned down over the year with " Less is more approach.

Dario.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on September 17, 2014, 11:22:00 PM
Agree with you Dario on this. To say that all poster collectors have been led to believe that conservation is restoration (ie: they are one in the same), as a blanket statement, i would have to respectfully disagree with. Especially with collectors who veer more towards vintage material from the early decades that in many cases will need some kind of conservation work done to them (deacidifying, washing, buffering and stabilizing fold splits or countering acid burn damage) before any kind of cosmetic restoration work is even considered.

Yes, pure restoration can be done without the need for any kind of conservation. A folded, modern poster might be an example of this, where the folds have caused ink breaks that have made the poster look like a checker board. This poster can be backed (linen or gel) and those fold lines touched up, without the need for conservation measures to be taken prior to this being done.

It's all about learning, in this, or any hobby. And for those that thought the 2 terms meant the same thing.. now they know that they are not related in the least. And that's a good thing.  ;)

But all good restorers that I have either dealt or spoken with have always understood the difference and explained their methods and steps to conserve, stabilize and "rescue" the paper first. They have knowledge and expertise in this area, as well.

The cosmetic part (the restoration) is always discussed in Part 2 of that same conversation.

As a personal example -- I have a French poster from the mid '30s that i took to have conserved - nothing more. The paper was brittle and overly tanned due to the acid content of the paper. I told the restorer that I wanted NO restoration, but simply wanted the poster washed, buffered, de-acidified and backed, as it was almost impossible to handle in its current condition. That is exactly what was done with this poster. Even a missing upper right corner was left as is.. in a way, reflecting and respecting the life this poster has led since 1936, coming from pre-war France.

The restorer knew, understood and did exactly what I wanted.  thumbup



Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 18, 2014, 07:48:22 AM
Good Morning,

I have to kindly disagree with both of you.  Collector use the two terms loosely.  "Are you going to have it restored?"  "Are you going to get it backed?"  No one says "Are you going to have it conserved?"   But in the first two (I will step down from all) most collectors assume that restoration and linenbacking including conservation practices.  I think it is obvious collectors care about the posters and them being conserved/protected.  Think back to all the storage discussions framing question and UV worries...  The problem is when it comes to restoration everyone is pretty much uneducated.  Why do you think this thread has 34K views...   Restorer's are like foxes the hen house - collectors are easy targets. I also don't think we should be purely talking about a museum mends.  You can have varying degrees of conservation practices with a standard backing and restoration that aren't even being done.  

Like I said "conservation priority restoration".  This would be a great poll I may throw up.

I will admit before I started my linenbacking journey I was one whom thought that these studios did both, that restoration implied conservation.  Or at least that restoration was done with a conservation priority.  But once I learned more realize this is not the case but think thought they should do both - which can be accomplished.  Hence the many "this guy uses this and that guy uses that"...  But I think the main problem is that collectors are sending their posters to these studios and thinking they will last forever because they have been restored with conservation in mind...  John Reid a collector and dealer was shocked when his posters were jacked up from clearly an non-conservation approach.  And now thinks wall paper paste is better than wheat paste even after being told by a director of paper conservation that was not the case.  

And Dario... Your website even states "restoration and/or conservation".  So you can get a restoration with conservation or just conservation.  Both say conservation.

Our movie posters restorer's sell conservation and restoration but skip the conservation (I don't want to lump everyone below into this statement so I have stricken through it).  See below:

Poster Mountain

We are specialists in addressing all paper conservation needs and employ a staff of highly educated and skilled technicians and artists. Our breadth of expertise includes the finest quality linen backing, museum paper mounting, numerous laboratory conservation treatments and cosmetic restoration for posters, documents, photographs and works of fine and commercial art.

Studio C

Studio C pioneered the conservation, preservation and restoration industry, setting the standards which others studios try to achieve even today.

Backing to the Future

Linen backing is commonly an accepted form of preservation and restoration of original vintage movie posters, especially those that were shipped to the theatres folded.

Dario's

Paper conservation, poster restoration and linen backing is what Dario Casadei does best and for the past 15 years collectors around the world have continued to trust him to restore their vintage posters to their former glory, from simple paper stabilization to linen backing posters as well as full poster restoration and/or conservation services.

Lumiere Poster

Lumiere Poster Restoration is dedicated to the reparation and preservation of movie posters and other collectible art.

Jamie Mendez Restoration & Conservation

Avid collectors seek out Jaime for the top quality of his work and his dedication to the preservation of memorabilia. It is important to understand the emotional as well as the monetary value of collectibles. Many of these items have extraordinary social and artistic merit, and a museum quality restoration by Jaime Mendez will preserve them for all time.

Poster Plus

Under the Conservation Tab: Conservation and Restoration - Poster Plus began doing poster conservation work in 1975 for our own vintage inventory, and since 1989 our services have been widely used by collectors, galleries and museums.

Poster Conservation

Can't copy the text - read this...  http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/info1/1/  Called poster conservation but does restoration... hmmmm...

The Affiche Studio

Seems to be the only one that separated conservation and linenbacking from restoration...  http://www.affichestudio.com/services--prices

Precision Restoration

Doesn't even mention conservation.



Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on September 18, 2014, 09:07:10 AM
Collector use the two terms loosely.  "Are you going to have it restored?"  "Are you going to get it backed?"  No one says "Are you going to have it conserved?"   But in the first two (I will step down from all) most collectors assume that restoration and linenbacking including conservation practices.

I agree with this 100%.  When I send something off to be "backed" or "restored" my assumption is that it is also being conserved for long-term preservation.  It's more than a little disconcerting to find out this isn't always the case and/or that there doesn't appear to be any sort of standardization across the industry.  I definitely appreciate Charlie's Herculean effort to learn the process and share his results so publicly.  I have  for one have learned a TON through his writings!

That said, I also appreciate Dario's concern that restorers need to provide the services that customers demand.  They surely would go out of business otherwise.  I also know that Dario is known for being a more informative and helpful than most (explanation of steps, in-progress photos, etc...).  It helps to have someone hold your hand through this process... 

It sounds like customers need to start demanding more information AND restorers need to volunteer more as well -- even if it isn't being requested outright.  As Charlie pointed out, most customers probably do not think they need to formally request full "conservation" treatments.  Customers should also be made aware if any restoration will be irreversible -- before the work is completed of course!  That is definitely *not* standard practice in my experience. 

Do we have a list of what sort of restoration techniques are irreversible?  Airbrushing is the big one that comes to mind. 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 18, 2014, 09:46:07 AM
I also know that Dario is known for being a more informative and helpful than most (explanation of steps, in-progress photos, etc...).  It helps to have someone hold your hand through this process... 

I too agree Dario had been very informative.  Based on what I know from our conversations, Dario meets much of what I consider the "Conservation Priority Restoration" definition.  I don't know all his wet work methods (although I am sure he uses purified/deionized water) but he has indicated the use of a conservation grade wheat paste (even told me which one to buy when I started). And even though he does use permanent mediums, he has indicated that they start with an archival base component from Golden.  He is pretty much the only restorer I have and will recommend but he doesn't do large format so you have to go with someone else.  I don't think we will ever see these guys disclose their process in their entirety, as it would only help generate competition.  Maybe the best thing to do is develop a "conservation priority restoration" checklist for collectors... 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on September 18, 2014, 10:40:16 AM
Charlie - why isn't Posterfix's mission statement included in your listing?  :D :D
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on September 18, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
I agree with this 100%.  When I send something off to be "backed" or "restored" my assumption is that it is also being conserved for long-term preservation. 

This is certainly generally what I would be expecting as well...conservation followed by restoration
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Neo on September 18, 2014, 11:17:14 AM

When I send something off to be "backed" or "restored" my assumption is that it is also being conserved for long-term preservation.  It's more than a little disconcerting to find out this isn't always the case and/or that there doesn't appear to be any sort of standardization across the industry.  I definitely appreciate Charlie's Herculean effort to learn the process and share his results so publicly.  I have  for one have learned a TON through his writings!


I really don't think one can expect there to be any standardization across the industry.  It's just the type of work that can't be fully disclosed, for various reasons.  

I agree, that Charlie sharing his knowledge about the science of this stuff, and pointing out what others have done/may be currently doing, is very interesting and informative.



Personally, I think that well-respected, conscientious linen backing folks who own/work for their respective businesses do have a fairly high level of conservation in mind.  To what extent each person/business leans more toward conservation than restoration, or vice versa, I can't say since I'm not an expert on the topic, and I don't know exactly what they are doing.  However, I think it's safe to say that most of these guys would not be in business if they are consistently doing work that results in items that are not conserved to a fairly high standard.  

I understand that the terms "conservation" and "restoration" technically have different meanings, but I'm sure that, as has been stated, many use the words somewhat interchangeably.  Although some say they are "restoring" stuff, it is just understood that they are also utilizing "conservation" methods on those items.

The part that is a little unnerving to some, is that there are "secret" or "proprietary" methods that the businesses don't share with their customers.  Part of me thinks that's OK, because if a company detailed every little bit of their methods, then others could easily swoop in and basically steal all the knowledge that has been accrued over numerous years, or generations, and then use that information to make their own business.  The other part of me wants to know what methods they're using, and to what level of conservation they are employing.  Some of these items appear rarely, and maybe never again, so it would be nice to know what people are doing when they conserve/restore them, but one also has to respect their privacy concerns.

The "conservation priority restoration checklist" sounds like an interesting idea.  Although it wouldn't be entirely accurate, since many items surely do not undergo the same methods of treatment from each company (certain items may receive different levels of care, practices evolve, etc.), not to mention that unless there's a video of the entire process, on each item, it's impossible to know exactly what was/is done.  It would be interesting to have a list showing what some of the guys have done in the past, and may have a tendency to do in the future.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 18, 2014, 11:50:16 AM
I really don't think one can expect there to be any standardization across the industry.  It's just the type of work that can't be fully disclosed, for various reasons.  


Why not? Everything is already out there.  Let me be the first to say there are no magic tricks.  Techniques maybe, but not methods.  If a colorblind engineer from Texas can figure it out... The problem will be that in order to conform to a "Conservation Priority Restoration" standard, backers would have to admit they currently don't use best practices for conservation.  Can you imagine the backlash from that?  And I am sure they will sell you the non-conservation methods as sound.  And what are you going to do?  Argue with them...   

If I find time, I will write the standard with sources.  I am sure that it will be controversial probably debunked by the top restorers, but remember this - I have no skin in the game.  I won't stand to make or lose money.  I have no disclosures.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on September 18, 2014, 02:39:37 PM
Here's a clip directly related to this discussion of conservation (or lack thereof) and restoration of posters (in this case a map) being linen backed and then various fold breaks being retouched and restored. Important to note is that no other conservation steps were done to the paper before this map was backed (aside from the backing itself). The wheat paste adhesive is applied directly to the dry pieces of the map (tho he does spritz water on one section- and maybe he did them all that way.. but who knows).

After being laid on linen, the woman is shown retouching the fold breaks and other areas, with her loose pencils and tin can laying on the item directly. This must be a Posterfix trademarked maneuver.  :-X  After the work is done, every fold break is clearly visible, even tho, prior to it being put back together, the various edges did not look any more discolored/tanned than the body of each separate piece.

Did the owner of this map know, that aside from it being backed, no other proprietary steps were taken to conserve this map? Or was he under the assumption it would be done during the entire process? Or was he told?

This is why any collector should have a thorough discussion with his/her restorer - to ask and find out exactly what will be done (or what they want done) to their piece during the conservation and restoration processes.

http://www.youtube.com/v/h0hUHJD9pHk&list=UUXpVx0HP7dOVMnZNOLDIEwA

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on September 18, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
And why any collector should do some research (thereby avoiding Posterfux completely) prior to entrusting someone with their property...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on September 18, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
And I figured if anyone might be guilty of this (as well as showing it), it would be Posterfix, based on his other clips. But the main purpose was to show an example of what was being discussed earlier.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on September 18, 2014, 04:29:44 PM
When Dave and I designed our web page www.vintagemovieart.ca we wanted it to be user friendly, informative.

 I think the mission statement on the front page is great. I would think it would make sense to most?

If you want just conservation. I'll wash your poster, buffer and so on. That is it.

If you want Conservation and restoration. I'll wash your poster, buffer and so on + I will restore your posters missing pieces, roughed up borders and what else is needed?

Best,
dario.


Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 18, 2014, 05:19:47 PM
When Dave and I designed our web page www.vintagemovieart.ca we wanted it to be user friendly, informative.

 I think the mission statement on the front page is great. I would think it would make sense to most?

If you want just conservation. I'll wash your poster, buffer and so on. That is it.

If you want Conservation and restoration. I'll wash your poster, buffer and so on + I will restore your posters missing pieces, roughed up borders and what else is needed?

Best,
dario.




IMO, I don't think anyone should worry about anything they send to you, Dario.  I think you have a conservation mentality and like I said have and will recommend your services.

But you made the statement "The only restoration approach that I would use the word Conservation is when I do a Museum/conservation mend." which is a contradiction to your opening website statement and your last post.  Especially, if it is more of a rarity than just restoration.  It gets confusing for us collectors.

I think this is actually a great example.  My point in my upfront statement is that the two words are used together and can give a collector the idea that restoration includes conservation.  Even when this is not what a restorer means and assume collectors understand the difference.  Even more so, you point out two phases here in your last post: conservation and then restoration.  I have full faith in your methods and abilities to conserve and then do image restoration.  But like the posterfix video, are all restorer's doing this?

I am not trying to attack you, just point out the obvious. Even with one of the best restorers in the hobby, we can not clearly understand that these two words are different. 

However, I do know what you are trying to say.  Conservation alone is the "museum mend".  Restoration is, hopefully (for all restorers), a two phase approach with conservation and then image restoration.    But I go back to terminology.  Would is be better to say "Conservation Priority Restoration"...  I mean Dario, what is the best way to imply that a restoration is not just what Posterfix did to that map.  How do restorer's imply the two phase approach without confusing us?

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: guest4251 on September 19, 2014, 01:44:40 AM
Yeaah Charlie, sorry! It is not for me to comment on other restorers work/videos. If you guys have questions with what you see, you would have to ask Chris.

The only restorer I worry about is me. Make sure I don't take on to much work, Keep my sanity in check ( I get some extremely difficult stuff to work on ) Trying some new approach to backings and resto and so on.

I mentioned how I feel about Conservation and restoration I think they are two different terms that certainly go hand in hand to fix a poster up, but could also be used individually.

Conservation always comes before restoration. Doh.gif One have to clean and scrub and buffer the poster first. Then, when it is dry on the rack we can do restoration. thumbsup.gif

I love my web site. I personally don't think anything is confusing and I am not going to change anything or second guess my friend and partners work.

Dave's done an amazing job.

Best,
dario.




Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on September 19, 2014, 02:11:33 AM
Yeaah Charlie, sorry! It is not for me to comment on other restorers work/videos. If you guys have questions with what you see, you would have to ask Chris.

The only restorer I worry about is me. Make sure I don't take on to much work, Keep my sanity in check ( I get some extremely difficult stuff to work on ) Trying some new approach to backings and resto and so on.

I mentioned how I feel about Conservation and restoration I think they are two different terms that certainly go hand in hand to fix a poster up, but could also be used individually.

Conservation always comes before restoration. Doh.gif One have to clean and scrub and buffer the poster first. Then, when it is dry on the rack we can do restoration. thumbsup.gif

I love my web site. I personally don't think anything is confusing and I am not going to change anything or second guess my friend and partners work.

Dave's done an amazing job.

Best,
dario.


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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 19, 2014, 08:23:58 AM
Yeaah Charlie, sorry! It is not for me to comment on other restorers work/videos. If you guys have questions with what you see, you would have to ask Chris.

The only restorer I worry about is me. Make sure I don't take on to much work, Keep my sanity in check ( I get some extremely difficult stuff to work on ) Trying some new approach to backings and resto and so on.

I mentioned how I feel about Conservation and restoration I think they are two different terms that certainly go hand in hand to fix a poster up, but could also be used individually.

Conservation always comes before restoration. Doh.gif One have to clean and scrub and buffer the poster first. Then, when it is dry on the rack we can do restoration. thumbsup.gif

I love my web site. I personally don't think anything is confusing and I am not going to change anything or second guess my friend and partners work.

Dave's done an amazing job.

Best,
dario.







Good enough for me...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: gargoyle67 on September 22, 2014, 09:23:52 AM
I will also jump in and say that having multiple sets and water color blocks also help out when the Faber-Castell's don't match up...

We have a bunch of pencils bought individually from this set:

(http://clearlydelightful.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5512d253a88330120a53cbaed970c-500wi)

We have this set:

(http://www.artstuff.net/assets/images/der9632883.jpg)

I've got some Caran D'Ache Artists colours water soluble pencils coming, I just want to do some minor touch up on some of my posters, Are they ok for my needs or should I invest in Faber-Castell ? And why Faber ? Better range of shades ?
I'm also wondering if I should bother touching up the fold lines as I don't intend on having any of them Linen backed.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 22, 2014, 02:47:08 PM
I've got some Caran D'Ache Artists colours water soluble pencils coming, I just want to do some minor touch up on some of my posters, Are they ok for my needs or should I invest in Faber-Castell ? And why Faber ? Better range of shades ?
I'm also wondering if I should bother touching up the fold lines as I don't intend on having any of them Linen backed.

I really think you are ok.  After some back and forth with Dario on these I did some intensive research on water soluble wax which is "Polyethylene Glycol". 

http://stainsfile.info/StainsFile/prepare/process/carbowax.htm

Polyethylene glycol is actually used in conservation of wood materials. 

Here is the study:  http://www.academia.edu/313572/A_comparative_study_of_consolidants_for_waterlogged_wood_polyethylene_glycol_sucrose_and_silicone_oil

Here are some exerts:

It is the most popular choice for conserving waterlogged wood.

PEG is reusable, non-toxic and can be later safely removed from an object. It is recommended artifacts thus preserved be stored at RH levels below 60% but other wise they will require little by way of post-treatment.

Here is more:  http://ellencarrlee.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/what-do-we-know-about-peg/   This talks about it's reaction with irons.  If heated it may darken, so you shouldn't heat it up after on the poster.

Been used since the 1859 for furniture conservation.  Also for it to be a solid it has to be of higher >1000 which means the less water can be absorbed.  I find no statements of the possibility of staining.  One drawback since it is water soluble is storage conditions - high humidity  (>60%) may effect the material.

In fact it has a bunch of positives like aging much better that the wood itself...  It covers better than watercolors and can be buffed to match sheen.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 22, 2014, 02:53:20 PM
And why Faber ? Better range of shades ?

Let's make one thing clear you would want Faber Castell Albrecht Durer Watercolor Pencils

They are the best watercolors available.  I can't find the study but they leave the finest grains compared to others.  Plus they have a bunch of shades too.


I'm also wondering if I should bother touching up the fold lines as I don't intend on having any of them Linen backed.

If you intend to have a poster backed, I would not touch up the folds. Because in the wash, these colors will have to be removed.  It should be fine, but you never know what may happen.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on September 22, 2014, 03:39:04 PM
If the restorer was going to touch up the fold lines anyway, why would the colors need to be fully removed if it was backed?  If you were trying to get it back to the original state with no touch up, then I could understand.  But if it was simply going to be put on linen and touched up, I don't see why it's a problem if they don't come out completely -- as long as the restorer was made aware ahead of time that they were water-soluble archival pigments.

I'm not trying to nitpick... I'm genuinely curious as I've been toying with the idea of touching up fold lines on some of my unbacked posters as well.  Take this Aussie Halloween 1-sheet for example:

(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s369/drharrycaul/Halloween/Halloween-Aussie_zpsfe73cf84.jpg)

The paper is so glossy for this poster that the ink is broken badly along the folds on every copy I've come across.  And mine is actually one of the nicest un-backed examples I've ever seen.  I'd hate to "restore" (i.e. linen back) it unnecessarily, but I've been thinking about flattening it (as we've discussed -- raising RH, sandwich between hollytex and blotting paper, press flat) and then touching up the folds.  None of that would be damaging to the long-term integrity of the poster, correct?   And if someone wanted to, it could always be linen-backed and re-touched up or (as you said requiring more effort) the water colors could be removed completely for a "European" style backing. 

I guess I'm mainly wondering what the downsides are of touching up the folds on non-backed posters?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on September 22, 2014, 03:46:29 PM
Is it not possible that - depending on what was used to touch up the fold lines - the colours could run during the backing process?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 22, 2014, 04:15:45 PM
If the restorer was going to touch up the fold lines anyway, why would the colors need to be fully removed if it was backed?  If you were trying to get it back to the original state with no touch up, then I could understand.  But if it was simply going to be put on linen and touched up, I don't see why it's a problem if they don't come out completely -- as long as the restorer was made aware ahead of time that they were water-soluble archival pigments.

I'm not trying to nitpick... I'm genuinely curious as I've been toying with the idea of touching up fold lines on some of my unbacked posters as well.  Take this Aussie Halloween 1-sheet for example:

(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s369/drharrycaul/Halloween/Halloween-Aussie_zpsfe73cf84.jpg)

The paper is so glossy for this poster that the ink is broken badly along the folds on every copy I've come across.  And mine is actually one of the nicest un-backed examples I've ever seen.  I'd hate to "restore" (i.e. linen back) it unnecessarily, but I've been thinking about flattening it (as we've discussed -- raising RH, sandwich between hollytex and blotting paper, press flat) and then touching up the folds.  None of that would be damaging to the long-term integrity of the poster, correct?   And if someone wanted to, it could always be linen-backed and re-touched up or (as you said requiring more effort) the water colors could be removed completely for a "European" style backing. 

I guess I'm mainly wondering what the downsides are of touching up the folds on non-backed posters?

I misread the post to say "Should I touch them up before sending for backing."  Just a total miss on my part.

And maybe my use of words weren't the best.  In regards to backing, it doesn't really matter if you touch it up or not as long as they are water soluble.  They will get removed in the wash/soak if done.  Now, if you go ChrisClotier style, they will run.  The backer will also have to be careful to not let the pigment settle in the wash as well.  It's not a big deal... 

However, if you noticed that when you touch one up, you tend to have to tease the folds or wet them. This can weaken the fold lines. Another con.

But if you just want to touch them up and then have them backed years from now it should be fine.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 22, 2014, 04:17:34 PM
the water colors could be removed completely for a "European" style backing. 


I will say that I don't think unless the poster is bleached that all the pigment will come out in the wash.  Even with a good wash there will still be some color trapped in the paper.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: gargoyle67 on September 22, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
@Charlie,
Thanks for your in depth reply, I'll see how I go with color matching my Caran D'Ache, I see some more money being spent in the future on a 120 set of Faber Castell Albrecht Durer  :P
Your thread is amazing btw I spent Sunday morning reading through it thumbsup.gif
@CSM/Charlie
If it's water soluble won't it just lift off and dilute into the water during a wash ? We're not talking about a load of color here, it's going to be minimal no ?  (Just noticed your answer to Harry on this, Nice)
Also Charlie what do you recommend to buff the colors ?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 22, 2014, 04:40:44 PM
Also Charlie what do you recommend to buff the colors ?

Cotton puffs/balls...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: gargoyle67 on September 22, 2014, 05:02:48 PM
Cotton puffs/balls...
Nice thanks Charlie, I take it that cue tips will also work then.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 22, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
Nice thanks Charlie, I take it that cue tips will also work then.

If very gentle... I would go with the cotton balls though.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: gargoyle67 on September 22, 2014, 05:38:34 PM
Ok thanks Charlie will do  :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: gargoyle67 on October 10, 2014, 04:59:04 PM
Just out of interest Charlie do you ever wet your pencils before application and just use them dry ?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 10, 2014, 07:11:39 PM
Just out of interest Charlie do you ever wet your pencils before application and just use them dry ?

Yes you can just wet the tips... We just use a wet cotton ball so not to mix on say a sponge. It works great!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on October 10, 2014, 07:41:23 PM
I just did my first touch up – – Ink breaks on an all black glossy poster.  I found I had to press surprisingly hard on the poster to get the black down in the breaks.  Would softening the tip with water help with that? One small tip I can offer is buffing with bestine. The bestine lifted the extra black pencil off anything glossy and it also softened the black helping it get down into the breaks more thoroughly.  And as was mentioned in another thread, I successfully used bestine soaked cotton balls to lift fingerprints off the glossy surface.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on October 10, 2014, 09:50:53 PM
I just did my first touch up – – Ink breaks on an all black glossy poster.  I found I had to press surprisingly hard on the poster to get the black down in the breaks.  Would softening the tip with water help with that? One small tip I can offer is buffing with bestine. The bestine lifted the extra black pencil off anything glossy and it also softened the black helping it get down into the breaks more thoroughly.  And as was mentioned in another thread, I successfully used bestine soaked cotton balls to lift fingerprints off the glossy surface.

(http://www.cherrypopgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/CherryPopLogo_LargeOnWhite562x270.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 10, 2014, 10:32:16 PM
I just did my first touch up – – Ink breaks on an all black glossy poster.  I found I had to press surprisingly hard on the poster to get the black down in the breaks.  Would softening the tip with water help with that? One small tip I can offer is buffing with bestine. The bestine lifted the extra black pencil off anything glossy and it also softened the black helping it get down into the breaks more thoroughly.  And as was mentioned in another thread, I successfully used bestine soaked cotton balls to lift fingerprints off the glossy surface.

Yeah wet it it's the only way for the darker colors...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on October 10, 2014, 10:45:46 PM
Yeah wet it it's the only way for the darker colors...

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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 10, 2014, 10:49:06 PM
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Not too much since you are working on unbacked posters... And don't knock over the bowl.   ;)

Another thing you can do is buy some fine brushes and wet the brush, then the tip of the pencil and then used the brush...  However, it will leave a matte finish on shiny posters.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on October 10, 2014, 10:52:43 PM
You can also experiment with gum arabic if you are brave...

Here is where I played with the colors on a shiny poster:  http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4053.msg71695.html#msg71695
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on October 10, 2014, 11:13:03 PM
You can also experiment with gum arabic if you are brave...

Here is where I played with the colors on a shiny poster:  http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4053.msg71695.html#msg71695

I am not brave :)  I'm only planning on very minor touch-ups anyway.  I was surprised how good the black and white glossy poster looked after it was framed up.  You with the reflective plexi you could hardly see the touch-ups. 
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on January 06, 2015, 08:05:31 PM
Well, my kitchen is finally done so we finished off Z's poster the other day...

(http://www.abideposters.com/VMPF_Junk/pulpfixin_2015/Sierra_Before.jpg)


The back was the bitch of it...  Masking tape all around.
(http://www.abideposters.com/VMPF_Junk/pulpfixin_2015/Sierra_Before_back.jpg)

Aged one year in a pine frame...

(http://www.abideposters.com/VMPF_Junk/pulpfixin_2015/IMG_1141.JPG)

It turned out well Alex...
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: brude on January 06, 2015, 08:17:38 PM
Verrrrry nice.
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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on January 06, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on January 06, 2015, 11:01:31 PM
Looks awesome Charlie!

You are a master craftsman in my book.

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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on January 06, 2015, 11:10:09 PM
wow, looks great! poster AND work.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Harry Caul on January 06, 2015, 11:39:28 PM
As others have said, great work!  And a beautiful poster -- I own it too :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stewart boyle on January 07, 2015, 08:53:21 AM
Outstanding dude ,lovely image
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Crazy Vick on January 07, 2015, 09:09:57 PM
Charlie have you quit your day job yet?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on January 13, 2015, 11:53:50 PM
Charlie have you quit your day job yet?

He is pretty freaking good!

I know its yet another common poster in my very common collection but damn I want to get it up on a wall.  8)

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Ari on January 14, 2015, 12:12:56 AM
is it common? I might grab one, I like the art a lot.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on January 14, 2015, 12:17:27 AM
Im assuming as Ive seen em around.

I am No expert but yeah they are not nearly as common as the Dark Knight Heath Ledger Joker posters.  :P
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on January 14, 2015, 09:43:14 AM
I would like to kindly remind Z that he promised to send that poster over to me...but i see he forgot.. oh another broken promise.. what's going on with man.. girly2.gif

hehe  ;D

Lovely poster. Oh Bogart  :-*
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on January 14, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
And Charlie.. well done.. really fantastic!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: wonka on January 16, 2015, 11:00:33 AM
Nice job, Charlie.

You accepting the big stuff officially then?  :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on January 16, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
Nice job, Charlie.

You accepting the big stuff officially then?  :)

I am a year behind already! :P

Z's poster had been backed for a year.  We just finally got it out of where I was storing them, brushed the silverfish off  <OO and touched it up...  I still have another 10 that need to be touched up, but....

I am working on the new studio now, got the sheet rock up and am working on the floor this weekend.  Hope to start setting everything up again here over the next few weeks.  But there should be enough room now to experiment with larger posters.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on February 03, 2015, 10:10:59 PM
Charlie its been on my living room floor since I got it .

We love it!

You are a bad man.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on February 04, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Glad Bogie went to a good home. Love that poster :-*
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on February 04, 2015, 07:29:07 AM
Charlie its been on my living room floor since I got it .

We love it!

You are a bad man.

Glad you are happy with it.  The touch-up was kinda funky it being more of a charcoal/graphite image... But my wife figured it out in the end.  I do the blacks - she does the rest.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zorba on February 04, 2015, 09:33:05 PM
What a team you are!

Great Mad Max!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on April 13, 2015, 08:19:28 AM
So I have been working on a new term that I will be unveiling with a new website I am working on and would like some thoughts.  I would like to attempt to change what we call linenbacking to a three word phrase "Conservation, Support, and Restoration"  or CSR for short.  As I have argued in past posts I don't think collector's understand what they are getting when they send their posters off to be linenbacked.

Why CSR?  There are clearly three different efforts that are generally focused on (or not).  They can all intermingle but generally from my observations everything falls into these three categories and usually in this order...  Is it a conservation effort, support effort, or restoration effort?

Conservation: Purified materials, archival materials, deacidification, acid buffer, etc.

Support: Such as linenbacking or paperbacking. Spot support... Or none at all...

Restoration: Paper fills, art infilling (reversable/permanent), reprays

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on April 13, 2015, 08:46:22 AM
I would like to attempt to change what we call linenbacking to a three word phrase "Conservation, Support, and Restoration"  or CSR for short..
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Thoughts?

For a great start, with a big impact, maybe try asking the forum mods to replace every occurrence of linenbacking to:

linenbacking -->  Charlie dislikes "linenbacking" preferring "Conservation, Support, and Restoration"

French Grande --> Thierry hates "French Grande"
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Mirosae on April 13, 2015, 09:04:32 AM
For a great start, with a big impact, maybe try asking the forum mods to replace every occurrence of linenbacking to:

linenbacking -->  Charlie dislikes "linenbacking" preferring "Conservation, Support, and Restoration"

French Grande --> Thierry hates "Thierry hates "French Grande""

Humphrey Bogart --> Rosa loves "Bogart"  ''hands off''
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: CSM on April 13, 2015, 11:30:15 AM
For a great start, with a big impact, maybe try asking the forum mods to replace every occurrence of linenbacking to:

linenbacking -->  Charlie dislikes "linenbacking" preferring "Conservation, Support, and Restoration"

French Grande --> Thierry hates "Thierry hates "French Grande""

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Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Roughoutline on August 11, 2015, 02:51:39 PM
Read through the entire thread over the past couple of days. Incredible stuff, Charlie.

I don't have the space or time to do any linen backing myself, but I will have to at some point. Building all those tables and frames is right up my alley.

How does the conservation part of the process work exactly? You mention washing, de-acidifying and so on. I'm just trying to imagine a recipe like...

1. Place poster on sheet of mylar (or do you sandwich between two sheets?) and soak in water (de-ionized, right?)
2. Then you let it dry?
3. Place the poster in de-acidifying solution (is this the calcium hydroxide?)
4. Repeat steps 1 and 2

Is it something like that? Apologies for all the questions, the specificity of the process really interests me.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 11, 2015, 10:47:28 PM
Read through the entire thread over the past couple of days. Incredible stuff, Charlie.

I don't have the space or time to do any linen backing myself, but I will have to at some point. Building all those tables and frames is right up my alley.

How does the conservation part of the process work exactly? You mention washing, de-acidifying and so on. I'm just trying to imagine a recipe like...

1. Place poster on sheet of mylar (or do you sandwich between two sheets?) and soak in water (de-ionized, right?)
2. Then you let it dry?
3. Place the poster in de-acidifying solution (is this the calcium hydroxide?)
4. Repeat steps 1 and 2

Is it something like that? Apologies for all the questions, the specificity of the process really interests me.

It all depends on my mood, the amount of alcohol in my system, whether the wife is cooking something good and so on...

But yeah there are a few tweaks that can be made but:

- Use mylar
- Sandwich poster with it

- Pull top mylar off
- Get the poster wet - Believe it or not I've discovered through academic papers that deionized isn't exactly the best as it can strip important stuff out of the poster...  Purified that is slightly basic is acceptable.
- Wait (smooth out poster)
- Put mylar back on and flip
- Repeat

- Pull top mylar off
- Rinse (sometimes gunk just comes out without much effort; you can also wash with orvus - a poster mountain step that I don't always follow)
- Put mylar back on and flip
- Repeat

- Pull top mylar off
- Apply deacidification solution (restorer preference - I do use deionized to make this stuff CaOH; My mix the other day was 12.35 Ph)
- Put mylar back on and flip
- Repeat
- Wait (20 minutes or so - you can have a beer or go in and kiss the wife - I often use this time to prepare the masa and canvas)

- Pull top mylar off
- Rinse (sometimes a lot of brown/yellow crap comes out and I may repeat the above - that means it worked)
- Put mylar back on and flip
- Repeat

You can let it dry but I've found letting it dry makes the poster a bit brittle so IMO it is better to back straight away...

Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Roughoutline on August 12, 2015, 07:38:17 AM
Perfect, exactly what I was thinking.

So it's just soak, de-acidify and rinse? I seem to remember you mentioning that the calcium hydroxide works slightly as a bleaching agent, but do you do anything extra in terms of "bleaching"?
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zoongrew on September 24, 2015, 03:49:43 AM
That's awesome, I linen back some posters myself but only 16x24 french or belgian posters at this time as I'm livin in a small appartment but I will soon change my address and will try to do better. This topic is awesome, I'm just arriving on the forum and I'm so glad to discover it. I hope my english's quite good :) Thanks for this topic !
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: erik1925 on September 24, 2015, 03:53:04 AM
That's awesome, I linen back some posters myself but only 16x24 french or belgian posters at this time as I'm livin in a small appartment but I will soon change my address and will try to do better. This topic is awesome, I'm just arriving on the forum and I'm so glad to discover it. I hope my english's quite good :) Thanks for this topic !

 welcome1 Zoongrew... good to see you here.

And enjoy APF!!

Jeff
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zoongrew on September 24, 2015, 04:42:54 AM
welcome1 Zoongrew... good to see you here.

And enjoy APF!!

Jeff

I think I can spend many hours reading topics here ! Very nice to have my coffee while spending some time on the forum :)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: 50s on September 24, 2015, 05:17:17 AM
Welcome zoongrew. Your English sounds fine. You sound like a native speaker.

If you spill some coffee on your poster then feel free to start a thread called
Removing coffee stain from poster
As we don't have one of those yet. We seem to have every other stain




Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on September 24, 2015, 09:04:09 AM
That's awesome, I linen back some posters myself but only 16x24 french or belgian posters at this time as I'm livin in a small appartment but I will soon change my address and will try to do better. This topic is awesome, I'm just arriving on the forum and I'm so glad to discover it. I hope my english's quite good :) Thanks for this topic !

Great to hear when people find this thread.  Welcome!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zoongrew on September 24, 2015, 10:06:04 AM

If you spill some coffee on your poster then feel free to start a thread called
Removing coffee stain from poster
As we don't have one of those yet. We seem to have every other stain

I'm sure many of us here have a poster with coffee stain on it but we do think it's dry blood that the displayer lost long time ago while he was hardly working to offer some beauty before watching the movie on theater... actually it's only coffee...





Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Zoongrew on September 24, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
Great to hear when people find this thread.  Welcome!

Greater to read your topic, thanks again.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on May 31, 2017, 07:51:21 AM
Well it has been well over a year since I posted and I've been posting my progress etc. on a different sight but I thought I would follow-up to the paperbacking comment.  I recently backed two British double crowns for the rerelease of Alice in Wonderland.  It is pretty much the same concept but instead of linen you use a conservative paper of choice, hollytex and a hard surface (in this case plywood with a enamel coating)...  The poster dries and you complete any infill/touch-ups and then you pull the paper/hollytex combo off and then gently pull the hollytex off the back of the conservative backing paper.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3846/32676713684_35bcbe401e_k.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2949/33392150271_a7cdef671a_k.jpg)[/url]

Here they are where I just pulled them off the hollytex and roughly trimmed them and pinned them up at the antique sale in Roundtop. 

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2935/33673258391_bd6caf554c_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 10, 2019, 12:37:35 AM
Well is been over two years since I last posted. Unfortunately these Alice posters were pretty much the last batch, except a really cool Ten Commandments experiment. We (the Wife and I) started our own engineering firm back in October of 2016 and it has taken off.  Too busy managing employees to linenback posters...  Wife doesn’t have much time for color touch ups. In fact, tossed most of my frames and the wash table.  I have to send stuff off like everyone else.

So Pulpfixin really is signing off - maybe not for good. Might become one of those eccentric CEOs that keep a secret lair for his guilty pleasures.  Mr Brooks with wheat paste I imagine.

I still love providing my expert amateur opinion if anyone ever feel like dropping a question.

Charlie
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Tob on July 14, 2020, 08:36:07 AM
I still love providing my expert amateur opinion if anyone ever feel like dropping a question.

Charlie

And it's cool to see your thread still inspiring more folks to try, like new member Piercarlo states in his post (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,14523.msg245051.html#new). It's why I much prefer forums to Facebook...

Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: Charlie on August 04, 2020, 10:35:46 PM
And it's cool to see your thread still inspiring more folks to try, like new member Piercarlo states in his post (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,14523.msg245051.html#new). It's why I much prefer forums to Facebook...

Too cool! Thanks for showing me... I miss all the fun for sure. One day pulpfixin will return!!!
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stagecoach56 on May 24, 2022, 07:25:39 PM
New to this forum. Looks like a great bunch of collectors. I am retiring and want to learn linen backing. I have many posters and want to do on my own.
Any advice will help. I have located supplies and confident I can do basic backing and process improve into doing it well.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: BwanaDik on May 26, 2022, 06:58:31 AM
Check the great thread that Charlie wrote.
https://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4053.0.html
This is one of the best resource I found online. 

You can always search for video onlines or search for resources online but don't use "linenbacking" as keyword to avoid the amateurs and alike.
Linenbacking is a straightforward process, more or less, so watching a few videos should be enough... then it is all about practice.   This way, note that linenbacking is not restoration and if badly done, it is not conservation neither :)   There are guys who will linenback acidic paper without even deacidification bathes, some will repaint over everything, etc.  Also, note that Eureopean linenbackers tend to leave poster with defaults while American linenbacking tend to refix everything.  In my opinion, only retouching what his needed is important not to alter or damage the poster (real collectors don't mind small defaults, but will dislike an overpainted poster;  never do a acid bath - to revive color - without several deacidification and cleaning baths). 

The chemistry is the most important. Look for terms like "paper restoration" or "poster restoration" and only read papers/videos from authorities (conversation, museum, etc.) so that you understand the full conservation and/or restoration process (they do a proper diagnosis and test before starting the all process, then at the end a report is done).  Best also is to do a search by filtype (PDF only), this will output some scientific papers, the hard one... then do several searches using the chemical names

Here a few videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUQ6Fzyzj1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-JBBSdxO3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryRS1yhUCDE
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stagecoach56 on March 02, 2023, 03:56:08 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/LJSTmjGs/BBCBCE95-CCA3-4580-997-B-09812164-B708.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJSTmjGs)
My second linen backing attempt, very pleased with the outcome.
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stagecoach56 on May 13, 2023, 08:34:13 PM
I have restored about a dozen posters, here is the latest using conservation techniques.
(https://i.postimg.cc/F1yFzfJP/IMG-0901.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1yFzfJP)
Title: Re: Amateur Linenbacking 101 by Pulpfixin
Post by: stagecoach56 on May 13, 2023, 08:45:44 PM
Here is another one. The last 2 were ripped along the fold lines.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NysC6zN9/IMG-0907.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NysC6zN9)