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Common Poster Subjects => Authentication => Topic started by: Dan on March 10, 2012, 04:11:26 PM
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For years I have been working on a labour of love about Movie Poster Authentication.
If you know me you know my history to some degree in that I have been collecting since the age of 8 years old and have been around the motion picture business all my life while not being directly involved in it.
I shut down my site and took a leave from being so involved in the hobby a few years ago. I found myself spending way too much of my time researching and comparing and not enough time with my son who means more to be on so many levels than any hobby I may find myself in.
I took a step back and took a step into another hobby of mine since the age of 7. This was photography and over the last few years have really enjoyed working with images again thanks to the digital arena and have started doing photo shoots for clients and friends which I have also enjoyed.
I was going through my personal things lately throwing things out that really don't matter and came across a 4 inch binder full of emails I had saved over the last 12 years on the Internet. This binder is FULL of info from film studios,printers,artists,and of course other people I have met through my old web site...one of which was a great friendship I had made with John Alvin and also some good conversations with Drew Struzan.
Anyway back to the binder....I just about chucked this thing in the trash...there's so much in there that it's hard to know where to begin.
I thought I knew the answer to that about 2 years ago when I did a trial run with just "SPIDERMAN" .
I compiled the info on the first Spiderman 2002 film since I know quite a bit about it.
I did a test print in book form and although it turned out very good, I wasn't quite as excited as I should have been.
Especially after the effort I put into it.
Others I showed thought it was really good and that I was just being too hard on myself but that is who I am.
It sits on my shelf collecting dust as a "one-off".
If I were to do this project it would have to be split into different books on different subjects or put it all in one?
Then I started thinking exactly how many people are really going to buy a book about Movie Poster Authentication anyway?
Not that I was doing this for others as much as I was doing it for myself but if I planned on printing it...how many people would it reach?
100 at best?
The book I have in my head and in my binder covers about 20 different films from 1970 to 2002ish...it covers poster artists-printing-studio marketing-different printings of the same image-bootlegs/reprints...and little bits of info you never knew about some of the posters.
My issue these days is I have a full time job that usually goes into overtime. My Sunday is my only rest day and it's usually spent doing a photo shoot-my Tuesday is my other day off where I run around trying to keep bills up to date-gas in my car-and food on the table. I just don't have the time that I wish I did. If the great One Sheet God comes down and takes me from this earth suddenly it will indeed be a shame to see all this info go to waste.
So I propose this...a 60/40 split
I would be willing to go in with someone on printing a book if they were willing to assemble it.
My intention would be to have it published and this is where my book partner would come in.
The book would be in my words and I would provide all the info and pictures-you need to put it together (awesome editing skills) and "have-an-in" for publishing.
If this sounds like you drop me a detailed email at danrickard@hotmail.com
This is the only way this will ever be done...I can't do it all myself...sorry.
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Hi Dan - why not give a website as a dissemination source/tool another try?
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There's no way I will return with a web site-it really felt like way too much time was spent on a bunch of text on a computer screen.
I appreciate the comment though....
besides...that is where this site comes in handy right? ;0/
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Dan
Great idea, but book publishing is practically dead. The moment you would publish it, people on the web would copy much of it and put it on their own sites so YOU would have been laboring long and hard for people you don't even know, and THEY would take the credit for your work.
You could do a great website, but the reward would be in the appreciation you receive, for you would surely lose money on it.
I wish this were not so, but sadly it is,
But no one, no matter how much of your great work is stolen, can take away all the good you have done for this hobby, and of course there have been others who have carried on what you have done with their own authentications of many fakes.
Bruce
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welcome1 to APF, Dan.
Yes, books and websites are like black holes these days.
I suggest a DAN RICKARD AUTHENTICATION thread where you post some of that great info (and interesting anecdotes) in measured doses.
This way you pass on your knowledge -- at your leisure -- to those who can benefit best.
Just my two cents...
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Not a bad idea Ted.
And I do agree with Bruce's sentiments about publishing the book. The other problem is that information could change
in such a way as to alter an authentication or an authentication test. Dan, in book form your work would become much too static and unadaptable.
But I do understand your concerns over another website (and I do love books - but they are better, in my opinion, for different types of poster/collectibles discussion).
We could all use your expertise firsthand on many of these questionable posters that come up all the time (whereby the discussion usually ends up regurgitiating second hand info like - "well so-and-so said or thinks this, if I can remember correctly but I can't find the original information or conversation") and so I hope you with lend a hand when you can Dan...
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I appreciate ALL the above comments and have considered that the most appropriate thing for me to do at this time is to continue to exist on this thread.
If you have a question or comment feel free to post on this thread and I will do my best to answer it. This is probably the most efficient way for me to exists these days without surfing around on other threads trying to keep up...good idea to the man above!
Again...thank you for your opinions and I agree.
peace out
D
PS-Don't know if anyone of you does Facebook but if you do....search my page "DAN RICKARD PHOTOGRAPHY" there and you are more than welcome to drop by and "like" my page and see what I have been up to....hope to see some of you there!
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Thanks for the offer, Dan. Very much appreciated.
This is the link to your Facebook page.
(http://www.facebook.com/DanRickardPhotography)
A couple of poster-related Qs (they all have links to various Authentication threads on this forum).
(1) Which variants of the Blade Runners are suspect? (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3891.0.html)
(2) Do you have information about the Woodstock posters that have come out in the last couple of years? (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,931.0.html)
(3) Any information about the Pelham/R Rating Clockwork Orange posters? (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3022.0.html) A "well known long time" dealer advises they are wilding posters from NY and LA.
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Out of everyone I know on these forums, Mel, you are the one person that comes to mind with helping Dan with his project. After Jeannie abandoned her authentication site, you pretty much took over with your own site, showing patience and diligence. I know I couldn't do it, and I can't think of someone else who could.
You should really think about it. Plus, you'd get to work closely with Dan and pick his brain for all of us.
Dan... why only 20. I remember your original website, before you changed it and removed a bunch of title. It had pictures of your collection and an authentication side. Then you rebooted it to a smaller authentication site and removed your collection. I remember way more than 20 titles.
T
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Well, never say never, but I have to agree that it's unlikely a poster authentication book would ever make money. Plus I get very irritated when greaseballs like Goodfella say they want to start a poster authentication website for profit. The basic authentications should be on the 'Net for free as a public service to keep newbs from being ripped off by the likes of Tom Loce and MovieGoods.
Ideally, it should be a collective effort (like Wikipedia) but movieposterauthenticating.com was a collective effort that pretty much died when Jeannie moved on to other "life interests."
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You mean her drinking :) I need to call her and give her shit.
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You mean her drinking :) I need to call her and give her shit.
Drunk doctors obsessed with Hayden Christensen. Frightening.....
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(1) Which variants of the Blade Runners are suspect?
I own a number of printing variations (can't recall but perhaps 4-5, own 30x40 and 14x36 orig and bootleg) and have also had a printer proof in my hands for a couple of months. I have not had time to go through them. I do recall hearing there was a studio printing out there years ago that was printed for 16mm bookings ( I can't stand up in court for this as fact) however I was sold a copy from this apparent printing with pricing that reflected this.
WB had just started playing around with full bleed printing-the first one I recall was "10" which was also printed with a white border. They also did "The Hand" in 1981. Blade Runner was perhaps the 4th or 5th poster of there's printed full bleed and I think there were problems printing it due to ink and paper-(just an observation). Hope this helps...
(2) Do you have information about the Woodstock posters that have come out in the last couple of years?
Nothing hardcore-I own an orig release one sheet folded and a rolled adv car (wilding?) . I had an adv with a black man walking down the road once which was really rare...personally I would stay away from collecting style c's as I had some doubts about them years ago due to ink being used on some of them.
(3) Any information about the Pelham/R Rating Clockwork Orange posters? A "well known long time" dealer advises they are wilding posters from NY and LA.
I spent many hours on this poster trying to track down proof....hours at the library....nothing. One thing I was pretty sure about was these were not part of the original release pattern-nor were they part of the switch to R rating which was basically a failure in 1973. It seemed to take too long for WB to get the cuts made and the prints out and by then people had lost interest. Those who wanted to see it saw the X Rating prints in the U.S. and those who couldn't see it (anyone under age) were able to go see it with a parent when the R prints were released in the states...seriously...what was the point?
Anyway....ACO was re-released many many times...just like Apocalypse Now....when theatres needed something to run for a week or two they filled in with these 2 films many times...now...someone said 1975..and you know what? perhaps...what with Barry Lyndon coming out...perhaps WB thought they could bring it back limited in NY AND LA....there was no MAJOR RE-RELEASE until 1982 when the Orange art was used.
I own x rated...r rated-2 printings....no rated-International...1982 mini poster-Canada....1982 nss one sheet re-release...original x rated insert and bootleg insert...and an original r rated insert....and lastly...an international approx 27x40 1982 re-release..
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Hi Dan... good to see you on the forum. ;D
I'd agree with what other wiser people said about publishing a book, my major concern would be as mentioned the fluid nature of authentication, once published when new info. emerges there'd have to be a revised edition.
I do prefer the printed page compared to a website, so just to put it in the mix there is another option, all your information could be designed as document then saved as a (low resolution web ready) PDF with a specific 'Edition #X' signifier and date. Once designed the first time 90% of the hard work is complete, all that would happen then would be amendments and additions as and when new information emerged. Maybe the PDF could be released each year, for people to download, with the previous years new findings and titled with the specific edition and year.
There are web based publishing/print companies that are geared to this sort of publication, you could upload a high resolution version of the PDF to their website, specify the printing method required and a nominal price. Then anyone can purchase a copy that they'll print and send out on an order by order basis.
I know it's a slightly convoluted explanation but think it's got some advantages.
AP
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(1) Which variants of the Blade Runners are suspect? I own a number of printing variations (can't recall but perhaps 4-5, own 30x40 and 14x36 orig and bootleg)....
(2) Do you have information about the Woodstock posters that have come out in the last couple of years? Nothing hardcore-I own an orig release one sheet folded and a rolled adv car (wilding?)....
(3) Any information about the Pelham/R Rating Clockwork Orange posters? A "well known long time" dealer advises they are wilding posters from NY and LA. I spent many hours on this poster trying to track down proof....hours at the library....
Lieutenant Dan, I salute you! I was expecting a simple "boiled shrimp" answer but got:
"shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich...."
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how come some say KABOBS and some say KABABS? always wondered.
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I say souvlaki :P
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Damn Greeks ;) (says ARI)
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Lieutenant Dan, I salute you! I was expecting a simple "boiled shrimp" answer but got:
sorry...I don't do "boiled shrimp"....I'll tell you what I know....no more..no less...
d
;0)
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Dan -
In another thread, there has been discussion about the STAR WARS style 'A' printing history: Which came first, 'funky text' or '-0'?
Have you done any research on this poster that you might be able to share?
cheers
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
I have all the different printings associated with the style a one sheet that I could find...without digging them out..I think it was 5 diff originals..
I remember talking with Pete about Star Wars quite a few years ago when he and Steve were writing the "Star Wars Poster Book" (which I may add you should go buy one if you don't have one).
I helped out on the bootleg/repo section and you will notice my old web site mentioned on page 289 with a nice acknowledgment on the back page.
Sorry straying off topic...as for the first printing of the style a......I as well as many others are quite certain that the 77/21-0 was the first printing...based on the solid fact that the style b teaser which was released prior to the style a being printed shares the same number...well..at least the GAU logo printed ones were ;0)
Another indication for me is that there are 2 printings of the 77/21-0...one with rating and one without rating....one for distribution in North America and one for International use...this is usually done with the first printings...
I also remember the Lobby Card fans indicating they also thought so because the first Lobby Cards were issued with that number...although Lobby Cards are not really my thing (I do own a set of them for Star Wars with the 77/21-0).
Always wondered why they numbered 77/21-0 ? My thoughts were because they were up in the air about what art campaign to go with..they had met with a number of artists..you name it...Berkey was the front runner (remember his cool King Kong art from 76?)...then the whole Hildebrant thing....I think they knew early on there would be more posters...more printing after they struck the first Style A....
My personal fav Star Wars poster of all time? Gotta go with the 22x28 half sheet style A...loved the addition of Han Solo and Chewy and Alec...not to mention the Tie-Fighters....the size suits the art well...
Runner up...the Style C ...but that's another story now isn't it?
peace out
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The Star Wars poster book on page 25 says that the White/Struzan "Style D Circus poster" was almost used as the first poster. It was finished a year prior to the movie's release. Charles White said that "[t]hey were going to try and make this the first poster, but they had so much already in place that they decided against it."
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My personal fav Star Wars poster of all time? Gotta go with the 22x28 half sheet style A...loved the addition of Han Solo and Chewy and Alec...not to mention the Tie-Fighters....the size suits the art well...
*High fives*
Couldn't agree more, but, for me, the clicher was the giant X-wing.
This was my first Holy Grail in the pre-eBay days...
Thanks for the run down. It was so much easier when we could just reference an old MPT link...
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Thanks for the rundown, Dan.
Without re-hashing all that I have stated in previous posts, I am puzzled as to the distribution of these posters. Is it possible that 'funky text' posters were distributed on the East Coast while '-0' printings were used in the West?
As for the 1/2 sheet, it is a beauty. Here's mine, unused and acquired the Summer of 77....
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r506/LobbyCard/STAR%20WARS/SW22X28.jpg)
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That is one of my favorite posters as well! By the way, has the 1/2 sheet ever been bootlegged? These seem to pop up for sale quite often and they are almost always in very good/unused condition. Was this one minty-whited?
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Beware: there is this over-sized and over-priced Zig-Zag job that appears on Ebay now and again...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Poster-ZigZag-Poster-from-Germany-27-x-37-/160769360816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256e99c3b0 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Poster-ZigZag-Poster-from-Germany-27-x-37-/160769360816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256e99c3b0)
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That is one of my favorite posters as well! By the way, has the 1/2 sheet ever been bootlegged? These seem to pop up for sale quite often and they are almost always in very good/unused condition. Was this one minty-whited?
There is a German commercial that I picked up @ 22"x38" that looks minty white...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/112011/starwars2238.jpg)
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Beware: there is this over-sized and over-priced Zig-Zag job that appears on Ebay now and again...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Poster-ZigZag-Poster-from-Germany-27-x-37-/160769360816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256e99c3b0 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Poster-ZigZag-Poster-from-Germany-27-x-37-/160769360816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256e99c3b0)
Yeah, this one... $99 not bad... I think I paid $6...
Going to have to measure mine; the file name has 2238 which I assumed was the measurements...
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Thanks Brude... I was talking about a full sized (22x28) bootleg. Or did the NSS/studio just print up a ton of 1/2 sheets and the theaters didn't order them? I know the cardstock posters were phased out all together like 7 years later... maybe their use was dropping off already in the late 70s (or earlier).
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Thanks Brude... I was talking about a full sized (22x28) bootleg. Or did the NSS/studio just print up a ton of 1/2 sheets and the theaters didn't order them? I know the cardstock posters were phased out all together like 7 years later... maybe their use was dropping off already in the late 70s (or earlier).
That's what I was lead to believe - that their use had been in steady decline throughout the '70s. My never-used copy was walked out of a NSS branch several years later.
It was a staggered drop-off - some sizes disappeared earlier than others...
The last insert was '86 (Youngblood?). I thought that Jedi was the final Half...
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I thought the last 14x36 insert released was "9 1/2 weeks" but I could be wrong....would have to double check the release dates for that and Youngblood...
"Is it possible that 'funky text' posters were distributed on the East Coast while '-0' printings were used in the West?"
Could be...just curious....what was it that made you believe otherwise?
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"Is it possible that 'funky text' posters were distributed on the East Coast while '-0' printings were used in the West?"
Could be...just curious....what was it that made you believe otherwise?
Personal experience.
Here is the post/thread:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,237.msg67684.html#msg67684 (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,237.msg67684.html#msg67684)
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I thought the last 14x36 insert released was "9 1/2 weeks" but I could be wrong....would have to double check the release dates for that and Youngblood...
"Is it possible that 'funky text' posters were distributed on the East Coast while '-0' printings were used in the West?"
Could be...just curious....what was it that made you believe otherwise?
Looks like 9 1/2 Weeks is the winner by just three weeks.
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Personal experience.
Here is the post/thread:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,237.msg67684.html#msg67684
If what he says is true it would seem logical your "east coast vs west coast" sounds legit to me....
The certain truth...who knows...I was young back then and remember a time when people lined up around the block to go see a film and waited over an hour to see the film...sometimes missing performances...last time I stood in line around the block was E.T. at the Park theatre here in Vancouver...1982.
I do remember hearing about the line-ups...house records...we didn't get the film here until June or July...I would have to check my binders.
I don't remember which printings were here in town at the time.
I wonder.....wonder if you found the poster that was issued/printed right before Star Wars (may have been Raggedy Ann & Andy) and see what kind of paper stock was used for the run and compare it? Grasping at straws but I really don't know how one would go about finding out...
If the funky text version was printed by itself and indeed the first printing how does one explain the -0 printing as second (going back to the teaser b which was printed BEFORE the funky text?
I personally like the story about 1 being printed in the east and 1 for the west...it would make the most sense to me.
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If the funky text version was printed by itself and indeed the first printing how does one explain the -0 printing as second (going back to the teaser b which was printed BEFORE the funky text?
That's a real good question, Dan.
I do have an original GAU B teaser that I will pull to check the coding. I did not acquire this locally as the others, but from a dealer in MA back in late 1977.
Thanks for your input, Dan!
cheers
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Anytime...
Hey ....I got one for you guys....
Something I have been unable to get a straight answer on ....one that remains unsolved...
Return of The Jedi style B with white lettering for the title instead of silver.....
anyone have any info about these?
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Anytime...
Hey ....I got one for you guys....
Something I have been unable to get a straight answer on ....one that remains unsolved...
Return of The Jedi style B with white lettering for the title instead of silver.....
anyone have any info about these?
I read that these were made during the initial run of the posters, shortly after the printers proof, but the studio didn't like the brightness of the lettering and changed it to the silver. Seems to be a fairly rare poster in comparison.
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That's what I heard as well...and it does match with a few things on my end.
From the printings I have it does seem to have been printed in 1983....
Just kind of a rare thing I guess...never seen an nss printing..which again matches the story.
I have an uncut printing of the white lettered version from the printer that has another poster printed on the back from 1983.
I have never seen a folded one for sale only rolled studio issued printings....
thank you for your input...much appreciated!
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Another poster printed on the back??? Is that a common occurrence with proofs?
That brings up an interesting question I just thought of...
If a poster has a unique (or somewhat rare) "oops" due to an error in the printing process, how does that effect the value or collectibility?
I ask because years ago I used to collect coins. Many coins, especially the older ones, would have minting errors. In some cases they were somewhat unique, though in other cases they would print off many with the same "flaw". Maybe something fell on the plate or caused them to print two obverses or reverses on the same coin, etc. This created different types for a given year - and there could be dozens. The rarer the type, in most cases the more valuable it was.
I believe mistake stamps also have the same appeal.
Is there a similar thing with posters?
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I like Dan called it uncut.
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I like Dan called it uncut.
Me too. thumbup
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Another poster printed on the back??? Is that a common occurrence with proofs?
"Somewhat in the older days-I do not own any current titles since the mid 80's where they printed on the front and back".
If a poster has a unique (or somewhat rare) "oops" due to an error in the printing process, how does that effect the value or collectibility?
"In my opinion...it depends on the error-Ret Of The Jedi B with white text is a error in which the value of the poster appears to be higher than that of the silver text printing...where as some of the 30x40's that have ink running down the side (common) not so much."
I ask because years ago I used to collect coins. Many coins, especially the older ones, would have minting errors. In some cases they were somewhat unique, though in other cases they would print off many with the same "flaw". Maybe something fell on the plate or caused them to print two obverses or reverses on the same coin, etc. This created different types for a given year - and there could be dozens. The rarer the type, in most cases the more valuable it was.
I believe mistake stamps also have the same appeal.
Is there a similar thing with posters?
In my opinion...not so much...both stamps and coins were printed to be "perfect" so when mistakes happened it was "rare"...well...more so than a movie poster...movie posters (in the past) were not printed to be collected...stamps and coins were.
I have a printer proof (yes I use that term) for The Muppet Movie where only some of the art is printed but no credits which is "rare" but as for increase value? That all depends on supply and demand and what someone is willing to pay for it.
I have some "test proofs" of Spiderman where they were printed on thick flat paper stock that have notes from the printer as well as stickers on the back where the studio signed off on them...again..not printed to be collected...writing all over the artwork...depends on who would want something like this and what it means to them financially...others could care less...
It depends on how interested the "collector" is in the art/title...and interest in the printing process and how movie posters are/were created.
ps-just because it is an uncut movie poster (sometimes referred to as a printer proof) does not mean it is an original! I own a uncut Spiderman that is a reprint/bootleg. When sellers state this in their ads it is very misleading.
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Excellent analysis of the uncut and/or printer's proof dealio, Dan. thumbup
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Hey, Lt. Dan, OT but how 'bout a little advance warning on this forum for your stuff?
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Mad-Max.jpg)
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I'm looking to get myself a lighted movie poster display and have a "bee in my....".
sorry...
With that being said has anyone used LED Panel backlit movie poster display cases for displaying lenticular movie posters?
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Dan, do you any additional information on the "Canadian" one sheet for LA Confidential?
I started a topic on the subject here:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3323.0.html
Was it used only in Canada? Obviously there is a Polish version too. I'm guessing it was used for conservative countries that didn't want the risque version of Basinger.
Somebody from the ad agency sent me a mock-up of that poster with various notes. It was clearly labeled "International Sheet #2."
I finally found one after years of looking. The seller originally found it in a poster shop in LA.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/LAConfidential5.jpg)
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L.A. Confidential was re-released in Canada Friday Feb 14th 1998 after the Academy Awards were announced-9 nominations to be exact.
The newspaper advertising used basically the same layout with Kim with her hood on...and awards announced.
This re-release lasted until about the end of March.
The original release opened here Sept 19th and used the Kim with the hood on...and used Guy and Russell standing with guns in the background.
so what?
So...it means the material used to create the re-issue one sheet was around when the film was first released.
With that being said the poster may have been printed at the time of it's first release or "just before"...(poss Toronto Film Festival)
When WB reissued the film after AA noms were out you would think they would have included it on the one sheet if it were a new printing?
I don't know for sure...but that it my opinion....
"International #2"....interesting...yes i have see the art used for foreign marketing...and yes it was the #2 campaign...the #1 campaign was almost the same as the video poster...if memory serves me correct..
great movie by the way...and should have won best picture in my opinion...
WB used the review one sheet for the original wide opening and I can understand why...word of mouth...but in my opinion...should have used this poster...and who knows...perhaps at one time they were going to?
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ps-at the time...The poster was only known for being released in Canada only....the U.S. had a globes printing as it's counter.
They were indeed displayed here in town at theatres!
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Thanks for info - by chance I put them all together this month (except the awards poster - can't find my copy).
Upper left - international 2
Upper right - international 1 - folded - I heard a greedy collector on this board has THREE rolled copies but won't share :)
Lower left - US theater
Lower right - US video
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE/2012-04/Confidential.JPG)
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I'm looking to get myself a lighted movie poster display and have a "bee in my....".
sorry...
With that being said has anyone used LED Panel backlit movie poster display cases for displaying lenticular movie posters?
I don't think that would work. The lenticulars I have seen tend to have a thicker base image, more like that used on 30x40s and I don't think that would allow light through.
I put 50' of led rope light into my lightbox and it is marginal. FWIW, there is a thread going here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1392444
He is using the LED strip lighting, which has a higher density and no surrounding jacket. The results are so good that I am considering converting mine over.
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IKEA sells LED strips that I put behind my TV, but they are blinding at times these may work and you can change the colors according to the poster...
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Thank you both for your input-very much appreciated...as well as the link.
I will update you with my project when it's done!
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Dan, any inside info on the Matrix "lightning" international poster? On some versions - which are otherwise believed to be legit - the phrase "Believe The Unbelievable" goes into the title while on others it is separate and distinct:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Matrix1.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Matrix2.jpg)
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I wish I had more insight into this however I don't. I have owned both printings and could not tell them apart other than the flaw mentioned.
We all know the Sonis reprint and I have not heard of any bootlegs for this style yet.
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I wish I had more insight into this however I don't. I have owned both printings and could not tell them apart other than the flaw mentioned.
We all know the Sonis reprint and I have not heard of any bootlegs for this style yet.
So are both versions legit in your opinion? Not the Sonis of course... but the two versions with slightly different tagline placements?
Any idea on which came first? Possibly the overlap version? Regardless, there must have been very few printed of both versions... I've only heard of a handful of copies having surfaced.
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Correct...again as far as I know....I keep an eye out when they pop up...and yes there are not many around....it's funny...sometimes the INTERNATIONAL printings are everywhere..other times not...this is a case where they are not.
I also managed to find a BLUE international much like the art in the Swedish or Spanish one sheet....again...a very difficult poster to source.
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I also managed to find a BLUE international much like the art in the Swedish or Spanish one sheet....again...a very difficult poster to source.
Holiday, Harry Caul, and I also have that one sheet:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/MatrixThe1999SSRinternat1S.jpg)
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Nice....yeah..not many around.....
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Finally finished my lighted movie poster display!
Something I have been meaning to do for over 10 years.
I had an actual hinged frame from a movie theatre years ago....finally got around to cutting out the hardboard back and mounted a 27x40 LED Light panel on the back and it comes in around 30lbs and about 2-3 inches thick!
Stuck a uncommon E.T Lenticular inside for a quick photo.
re-uncommon E.T. Lenticular because it is one of the thicker ones they printed for the reissue...most were very thin and could be rolled to ship.
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/danielbrianrickard/IMG_6335.jpg)
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Looks cool Dan!
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Thought you guys might like a peek at something else I have in the works....
I have an "art only" image that was drum scanned and I'm in the process of cleaning up the image so that one of these days I can get around to printing this 27x40.
It's actually in colour but I also kind of like it in black and white....what do you think?
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/danielbrianrickard/_MG_1222.jpg)
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...and what is wrong with this poster and what makes it sooo rare? ;0)
fans of the film should get it!
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/danielbrianrickard/_MG_1021.jpg)
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Humungus/Wez.
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Humungus/Wez.
They are switched... Error on the poster?
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Dan,
Do you know who painted the artwork for Mad Max? I don't recognise the signature and have been unable to find anything out after searching for a long time.
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Dan,
Do you know who painted the artwork for Mad Max? I don't recognise the signature and have been unable to find anything out after searching for a long time.
I used to think it might be Ken Kelly, but the sig on Dan's art is certainly not his.
It was conveniently cropped off the original poster.
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...and what is wrong with this poster and what makes it sooo rare? ;0)
fans of the film should get it!
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/danielbrianrickard/_MG_1021.jpg)
where is the bottom border?
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The names are in the wrong order
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I used to think it might be Ken Kelly, but the sig on Dan's art is certainly not his.
It was conveniently cropped off the original poster.
At one point I thought it might even have been a Frazetta because the bird circling above looks similar to one on a few of his pieces. I'm sure I've seen that triangular signature on another poster but I can't place it.
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The Mad Max 2 poster was the first Aust printing done and as you see...it didn't go well.
They mixed up the character names on it as noted by Ari.
They did a second printing to correct this and they also fixed the border issue if I recall correctly.
They are very uncommon and it was the only one I have ever seen in approx 12 years of collecting online.
The Mad Max art....name escapes me at this moment..I will dig into my magic binder and see if I can find my notes.
I remember I did get the name...talked to "Commander" and he introduced me to "Stout"...and if memory serves me correct it was Stout who solved my mystery....man..that was years ago...give me a couple of days...
The Mad Max art and The Gauntlet art are two of my favs of all time....great great gun poses...other favs that come to mind...Vacation by Boris...and Blazing Saddles-all of these I have art only examples of....Other ones I like but don't have the posters for are..Galaxina and Deathsport....
These days I only have 1 movie poster on my walls...and you would never guess in a million years what movie it's for!
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Here is another one of my art only posters. This was done by Frazetta for the film. I seem to remember Robert R wanted to use this art for the final one sheet...can't remember what happened but I seem to remember I have a pic somewhere that shows the original art/one sheet hanging in Robert's office...I saw the pic and went..."wow"...cool...
Loved the advance for Dusk till Dawn too...beware as there are lots of reprints out there for that one....originals were on fairly heavy stock...much like the Pulp Fictions.
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/danielbrianrickard/_MG_1221.jpg)
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Absolutely love that Frazetta piece.
It's a crying shame that it was never produced as a one sheet.
Thanks for sharing that pic, Dan!
cheers
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These days I only have 1 movie poster on my walls...and you would never guess in a million years what movie it's for!
BENJI THE HUNTED?
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Oh I know!
"People like to ignore me"?
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These days I only have 1 movie poster on my walls...and you would never guess in a million years what movie it's for!
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Dan in Real Life?
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Prof Powers naked centerfold.
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Thunder thighs!
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ERNEST SCARED STUPID?
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ok....ok...all great choices!!
The only movie poster I have on my walls is for a tiny little film from 1979 from the newly formed Orion pictures....the standard one sheet had quotes and was very ugly...same goes for the insert..never seen a half sheet for it....
Then there was another style..less common...announcing "America is having a love affair" with this new movie...
there's your hint!
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Ahh, oui, oui. Pas le film je l'aurais soupçonné.
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J'aime l'art. Il me donne la tranquillité d'esprit lorsque je regarde. ;0)
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(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/danielbrianrickard/_MG_1221.jpg)
Just for a second I thought I was looking at Isabel Sarli in "The virgin goddess" ;)
(http://pics.filmaffinity.com/La_diosa_virgen-923900650-large.jpg)
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très bonne. Je suis d'accord.
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Pourquoi vous tapez en français ?
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Zut alors!
Thanks for digging out the name Dan, very much appreciated. Could you possibly post the Mad Max art in colour too?
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Je répondais à la question Dañs dans le code.
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Dan, any info on the Goodfella repros?
OneSheetIndex.com says that the original (first directly below) is 40.25 (http://www.onesheetindex.com/movie_posters/drama/goodfellas_7346.html) and the repro (second directly below) is cropped on the right:
(http://www.onesheetindex.com/pix/7346_1.jpg)
Emovie is selling a 27x41 international one sheet (http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=2548944), which clearly has more of the image on the right than the original shown on OSI:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Goodfellas-int-right.jpg)
Heritage has sold a 27x41 (apparently single-sided) (http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=59072&lotNo=52163#Photo) and a 27x40.5 DS (likely mis-measured) (http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=59082&lotNo=52112).
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Absolutely love that Frazetta piece.
It's a crying shame that it was never produced as a one sheet.
Thanks for sharing that pic, Dan!
cheers
It is pretty awesome.
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I think you did an awesome job explaining Goodfellas by yourself!
Give yourself a pat-on-the-back.
as for...
Heritage has sold a 27x41 (apparently single-sided) and a 27x40.5 DS (likely mis-measured)...
I mean no disrespect to them however I don't think they are as...umm...detailed....as some of us collectors.
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As promised...I am proud to finally announce the artist for the Mad Max 1sheet and after all these years wondering....wonder no more.
It was a conversation I had with Steve Chorney who was able to tell me it was Bill Garland.
He also did another one of my fav's Life Of Brian.
My conversations with Bob Commander led me to Steve.
I had also asked Bob about the Road Warrior one sheet...it was his first year in L.A. with a company called New York West...he never continued on with movie posters after that and now lives in Salt Lake City.
sorry I'm probably boring you...
So there you have it mystery solved...
ps-it's fun to read my binder every once in awhile...lots of great detective work in there with some really cool people!
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Superman re-release 2001
Red and Black one sheets were distributed to a reported 7 theatres only.
I have a reported print run of 500 black and red's
There was also a MYLAR POSTER with a "39" litho print run on 12pt silver stock 3 color.
Notes I have from the time from sources in L.A.
The Red & Blacks were done on photo-style paper and the printing was not as sharp as would expect.
The MYLAR run was sharp and well made.
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As promised...I am proud to finally announce the artist for the Mad Max 1sheet and after all these years wondering....wonder no more.
It was a conversation I had with Steve Chorney who was able to tell me it was Bill Garland.
He also did another one of my fav's Life Of Brian.
My conversations with Bob Commander led me to Steve.
I had also asked Bob about the Road Warrior one sheet...it was his first year in L.A. with a company called New York West...he never continued on with movie posters after that and now lives in Salt Lake City.
sorry I'm probably boring you...
So there you have it mystery solved...
ps-it's fun to read my binder every once in awhile...lots of great detective work in there with some really cool people!
Thanks for that info, Dan.
cheers
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Thanks Dan! Much appreciated. There's a site with examples of Garland's work here (http://www.phosphorart.com/bill-garland/). He appears to have done the art for one of the German Escape From New York posters, as well as the US one sheet for Brazil. Is the Life of Brian you mentioned this one (http://www.filmonpaper.com/posters/life-of-brian-one-sheet-usa/) or did you mean the Meaning of Life art that's on that page of his work?
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Superman re-release 2001
Red and Black one sheets were distributed to a reported 7 theatres only.
I have a reported print run of 500 black and red's
There was also a MYLAR POSTER with a "39" litho print run on 12pt silver stock 3 color.
Notes I have from the time from sources in L.A.
The Red & Blacks were done on photo-style paper and the printing was not as sharp as would expect.
The MYLAR run was sharp and well made.
The guy who runs CapedWonder.com (http://www.capedwonder.com/) and who seems to be "in the know" is selling a regular Red & Black for $1,000 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRA-RARE-SUPERMAN-The-Movie-Black-Red-PROMOTIONAL-Poster-ONLY-15-PRINTED-/150717646393) and claims that only 15 were actually distributed to theaters, which accounts for their extreme rarity.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Superman-2001a.jpg)
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Superman-2001b.jpg)
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Life Of Brian-I had in my notes he did the Style A-however I have sent him an email to confirm this and also asked a few questions I have always had for him.
Life of Brian style B was illustrated by William Stout-ala Wizards
Superman-the number of posters printed were told to me by a printer in L.A. at the time-however we seldom know the EXACT number printed and EXACT number shipped in our hobby since the posters were never made to be collected no one records this info and passes it along to us...grrr.
Irregardless the numbers were low...very low compared to a normal studio release these days.
I wonder with movie theatres decreasing in numbers these days is it still necessary to print 25+ thou per style plus these days?
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Superman-the number of posters printed were told to me by a printer in L.A. at the time-however we seldom know the EXACT number printed and EXACT number shipped in our hobby since the posters were never made to be collected no one records this info and passes it along to us...grrr.
Isn't it possible - or even likely - that they printed 500 expecting a wide re-release of Superman but only sent out 15 posters to the 7 test theaters? When the re-release plans were canceled, didn't they likely destroy the remaining stock?
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Isn't it possible - or even likely - that they printed 500 expecting a wide re-release of Superman but only sent out 15 posters to the 7 test theaters? When the re-release plans were canceled, didn't they likely destroy the remaining stock?
Or not...
The point is that we really don't know about any of these things until something pops up. I do know that for these sorts of presses, a run of 15 is impractical.
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Or not...
The point is that we really don't know about any of these things until something pops up. I do know that for these sorts of presses, a run of 15 is impractical.
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Superman-the number of posters printed were told to me by a printer in L.A. at the time-however we seldom know the EXACT number printed and EXACT number shipped in our hobby since the posters were never made to be collected no one records this info and passes it along to us...grrr. Irregardless the numbers were low...very low compared to a normal studio release these days.
Or not...
The point is that we really don't know about any of these things until something pops up. I do know that for these sorts of presses, a run of 15 is impractical.
True generally but there is a good bit of info about this re-release on old websites like these:
http://supermanthrutheages.com/hiphats/rerelease.html
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news/2001-news/2001-news-movie.php?topic=2001-news-movie/0329
These websites state that the re-release played in a small number of theaters in 2001:
March 23-25: Played in Regal and AMC theaters throughout San Antonio. This seller (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRA-RARE-SUPERMAN-The-Movie-Black-Red-PROMOTIONAL-Poster-ONLY-40-PRINTED-/150717646393#ht_1247wt_774) claims that 40 special red and black (non-mylar) posters were released to San Antonio theaters (2 posters each) and that these posters were only used in San Antonio.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Superman.jpg)
May 1: Special Edition DVD released
August 3: Egyptian Theatre in Los Angeles
August 17-23: Plaza Maplewood Theater in Maplewood, MN
September: Played in New Jersey (exact location not specified)
October 26: Paramount Theater, Austin TX
October 26-27: University Village in Los Angeles
December 28-30: Walter Reade Theater, NYC
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Ah Mel, there is the still the question of number released into the wild vs number printed.
I can believe this on the mylars, as they were likely printed on a custom flat press, but the others were very likely done on a standard roller full color offset. The setup is so involved that a minimum run of 500 is almost required. It takes the first 20 to get up to speed, and the last 50 to wind down. Sorry, in a past life I spent a year as an apprentice pressman. That was back before the military where I decided it was better to think for a living than to actually work :)
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Like I said, I think both Dan and this seller are correct. As you say, it's inefficient to print less than 500. Logically, it's possible the studio ordered 500 posters anticipating a nationwide re-release. When the San Antonio test failed, they were stuck with a bunch. The 40 distributed to San Antonio theaters are probably the sole source for the few that have been sold since.
The only caveat is that both Dan and this seller have noted the cheap "photo" quality of this particular poster, so the other possibility is that it was a small run printed at some local printer.
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Until you have actually touched one...
They do feel weird/cheap
It wouldn't have shocked me if they were printed with inkjet/laser onto photopaper to be honest.
That was my first impression...
If they were going to print 500 plus I'm sure they would have done it properly.
Well...at least I would hope so..
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I would almost bet the farm they were printed on a large format PC based printer system. They have alternating "bars" of color which you get from these types of printers in addition to the paper Dan mentioned.
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I would almost bet the farm they were printed on a large format PC based printer system. They have alternating "bars" of color which you get from these types of printers in addition to the paper Dan mentioned.
So what we need to do is find out the printer maybe a local San Antonio place and run another 50 and consign two or three a year for the next 20... ;D
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I got a large format printer, SHOW ME THE MONEY! ;)
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Do YOU remember the 80's ?
Neat "10" One Sheet 27x41 tie-in with Playboy in 1980.
These don't turn up very often in the 27x41 format.
There were also smaller posters "like this" made by Playboy which I also have somewhere with a "on sale now" along the bottom if memory serves me correct.
Bo went on to plug Tarzan with a Playboy one sheet as well...however the image was kinda...ehhhhh....in my opinion this image is "right up there" in one of the greatest photographic shots of a woman used on a movie poster!
These were indeed sent out to execs in the film business...managers..ect.
Thought you might like a little BO with your Monday!
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/danielbrianrickard/_MG_0921.jpg)
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Thanks for that pulse-pounding, 'lady in a loincloth' poster pic, Dan.
I have such a weakness for women in animal skins.
Blame it on Raquel, I guess...
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I thought the Dark Knight "Standing Joker" poster was a fake but this pic posted today by Skyjackers pretty much proves they are legit, at least whatever size this is. Do you have this?
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/dk.jpg)
Here's a pic of a 27x40 deemed "probably fake" by Cinemasterpieces.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/dkjan10.jpg)
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These 3 DARK KNIGHT posters seem to be specific to IMAX and if I recall correctly they measure 24x36"
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Those posters don't match Mel... the wilded ones say "in Theaters and IMAX" above the date.
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watched THE CONVERSATION today.
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Re: DK - One was sold on the bay recently, the seller normally has legit stuff, was hoping someone on here bought it. I bought a Thrones poster and it was a Kinko's special. They also sold Gambit and one other poster that was never released, so I assume that is the same type of thing.
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Down here, there were also wildings for IMAX screenings of The Dark Knight, but sized aprox. 40x60' (and in spanish)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y316/110x75/2011-Auction/DK1.jpg)
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watched THE CONVERSATION today.
Great movie! One of my all time favorites.
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agreed, watched it 3 times in the last 12 months.
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Holy crap! Dan's on here! Was hoping you'd eventually find some time to chat on a forum again.
Good to see you again,Dan.
I think I rememeber 'Bo' from the old site.Sweet!
Anthony
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Nice to see you too !
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BTW,sorry to hear about the book issues,Dan.Was hoping this would come to fruition.Would be an excellent tool for new and seasoned collectors.And I'm old school,prefer actually holding the material as to looking at it on a computer screen.
Anthony
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I thought the Dark Knight "Standing Joker" poster was a fake but this pic posted today by Skyjackers pretty much proves they are legit, at least whatever size this is. Do you have this?
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/skyjackers/dk.jpg)
Here's a pic of a 27x40 deemed "probably fake" by Cinemasterpieces.
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/dkjan10.jpg)
Just saw this...
I don't know if it was ever debated, but this poster exists as a bus shelter. I got mine directly from WB at the time of release, but I remember seeing a bunch around LA.
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Darkknight6.jpg)
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The phrase "IN THEATERS AND IMAX" is in blue on the wilding posters and white ("IN THEATERS AND IMAX")on your bus shelter.
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The phrase "IN THEATERS AND IMAX" is in blue on the wilding posters and white ("IN THEATERS AND IMAX")on your bus shelter.
So?
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couldn't help but notice the above nod to One From The Heart...Eatbrie
a fav of yours or???
do you collect posters from the film?
just curious....
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I don't have my notes (I think some of my peeps saved some of my site somewhere) nor my posters but could someone give Bruce's auction for the Jaws insert a quick look and verify for me that the one for sale is a "minty white"? I'm not sure..and I am just going from my memory that I purged so much of years ago...
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if it is...lmk and I will let him know....
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Dan
All suspect inserts (the titles known to be reproduced) are shown to me personally before they are auctioned.
This one is NOT glossy on the back in the way the minty whites are (and I have handled hundreds of them).
It also lacks the ratings box and tagline by it, which surely seems to make it "international", but we have never had an international Jaws insert before.
Do you have (or have you had) a minty white of this? I THOUGHT it had the ratings, but I can't remember for sure.
Thanks for helping! Of course if this were to turn out to be a fake, we would cancel it, and if the auction had ended, we would refund the money, even if it is years later.
Bruce
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I JUST sent you an email...
In my professional opinion the paper stock can fool even the best of people..even someone who handles a million posters a year like yourself..the ONLY way to discover a minty white is by art crop only. seriously....
You (may) want to own a catalog of the minty whites so you can compare your consignments in the future....then again you may not want to..only a suggestion to avoid selling a minty white by mistake....I remember David L selling a minty white Jaws insert he swore up and down was original too at one time..only to find out later it was indeed ....a minty white...so even the best (lol) can be fooled.
Man can not go by "paper feel" alone....
The good old minty white printing was indeed a unrated insert....and it had a slightly diff art crop that the known original unrated insert...shorter obviously...something about the bubbles could give it away...at one time I had both the unrated and rated known originals...and of course the minty white to compare notes to...I know fans of my old site saved it before I took it down...perhaps they can chime in....
kind regards and keep up the great selection of material Bruce...
sincerely
Dan Rickard-former movie poster authenticator
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Isn't it nice to have a free website to use for authentication?
If you look at the info. on my site regarding the Jaws insert that got me in trouble so many years ago, Bruce's does appear to have the same slightly cropped artwork as the one everyone screamed at me was a bootleg.
What does this mean? Does it mean that it is such a good fake that it fooled Bruce too? or, is it real? I did tell everyone that the quality of it was superior in every way to every bootleg I had ever seen. No one believed me. My thoughts are that if it really is a bootleg that it was printed on the same printing presses (only years later) so the quality is the same as originals. That is what we were told, that they were done in the 80's "after hours" by unscrupulous employees at one of the nss printing facilities.
Here is the picture of the one that I had that everyone said was a bootleg.
(http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/minty2.jpg)
Here is a picture of a real one:
(http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/jawsorig1.jpg)
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I remember David L selling a minty white Jaws insert he swore up and down was original too at one time..only to find out later it was indeed ....a minty white...so even the best (lol) can be fooled.
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it's been a whole day and Bruce still has the Jaws insert listed.
I'm sure he is just busy and he'll take it down, but man if I waited that long I'm sure I'd be vilified!
oh, and I think Heritage currently has a fake recalled Spiderman listed.
http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161225&lotNo=52454
the best. :-*
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I've sent Dan an email to try to get a definitive answer. If I end it, I can't re-start it, but I can end it up until the auction ends.
Of course everyone knows I would never knowingly sell a fake and in the few cases where I have unknowingly done so, I have contacted the buyers, even years later, and given them a refund, even though it usually ends up being out of my pocket, because I paid the consignor long before.
There are two complicating problems here:
1) We have never ever sold an international style Jaws insert, so we can't do our usual comparisons (this is very unusual on such a modern poster)
2) This is definitely NOT a Rochester minty white. If it is fake iy was done by someone else
If we have any doubts nearing the auction end we will end it. We would rather be safe than sorry.
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This is exactly how it went with Dave, but that was a MUCH nastier discussion. Bruce, if the same cropping is there as was with Dave's at the time, it's fake. No doubt.
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Yeah, I think Dan already confirmed that about the cropped artwork on page 5 of this thread...
I JUST sent you an email...
In my professional opinion the paper stock can fool even the best of people..even someone who handles a million posters a year like yourself..the ONLY way to discover a minty white is by art crop only. seriously....
The good old minty white printing was indeed a unrated insert....and it had a slightly diff art crop that the known original unrated insert...shorter obviously...something about the bubbles could give it away...
I made a composite of the cropped artwork from the images on Dave's site:
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9582/screenshot20120613at326.png)
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Thanks Harry...that's exactly what I needed to show...glad to know my memory has not all purged....
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Phillip created this for me at work, and the cropping difference IS very clear. Now just point me to ONE example anywhere of the original. Surely someone has one. Because without seeing one, who knows for sure there is such a printed poster?
If things stay as they are, I will end the auction tomorrow, and return the poster to the owner, but I sure would like to see an image of the original poster in the flesh to know for certain.
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its funny.....this is almost the same way I reacted 5+ years ago. I was a little cockier yes, but I said to the nsfge board "show me some evidence first and then I'll remove it". From the moment I was notified of it, it took a whopping 48 hours for me to remove it. Seriously, that's it, 48 hours. To them that was a LIFETIME.
Everyone was HORRIFIED....absolutely HORRIFIED at my reaction. They couldn't believe that I wouldn't just take their word for it, that it was fake. They wanted it removed for sale IMMEDIATELY, and since I didn't do it IMMEDIATELY, I was vilified.
I would remove it Bruce, they can be ruthless! You really don't need the aggravation.
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I really have noticed that everyone seems a lot calmer these days, sure there's fl;air ups as we have seen on Mopo, but compared to a couple of years ago, people generally aren't getting as angry.
And yes, Dave you sure copped it huh? ;)
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See the picture above provided by Diamond Dave for the pic of the original international insert...
I have one of those in my storage....
You have a minty white on your hands Bruce....and you have doubts...so did Dave and boy was he.....mmmm..arrogant...go figure... eyeroll
I have seen people rip-tear-burn-stain and bake the poster to make it look like it was years old....the art crop gives it away...
I also bet there are MANY collectors who have minty white like Shining & Scarface inserts as they were VERY hard to authenticate....
It took me years to find known originals of those as well as A Clockwork Orange...
Bet many of you also have Scarface 27x41 advances you think are original but they are not...another one that was done extremely well...
To understand what to look for you have to know how they were most likely created....this took me years to learn and countless hours to research and I'm sorry but I don't have the time to go down this road again...
You can not go by feel of paper alone....me...even me...sat down at a table one night and tried to do it blindfolded...and couldn't do it...I also tried just looking at the backs of the posters and had a few wrong...
in the end it's your call....you have made a bit of a crusade against them and those who sell them to some degree...something you may want to do is look into it a little more...
knowledge.....is king!
don't just take my word on it...
peace out
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Exactly. In the end, you made the right decision, Dave, as has Bruce (so it seems). Given this particular poster, it's a tough one to swallow to be sure. I think with your example, you just hated to face it. Interestingly, this is the most I've ever seen Bruce resist, and I again think it's because it's hard to swallow this insert as a fake. It does suck, to be sure, but it also makes the real ones more to be desired. I'm grateful that there's a clear way to distinguish the fake from the real.
its funny.....this is almost the same way I reacted 5+ years ago. I was a little cockier yes, but I said to the nsfge board "show me some evidence first and then I'll remove it". From the moment I was notified of it, it took a whopping 48 hours for me to remove it. Seriously, that's it, 48 hours. To them that was a LIFETIME.
Everyone was HORRIFIED....absolutely HORRIFIED at my reaction. They couldn't believe that I wouldn't just take their word for it, that it was fake. They wanted it removed for sale IMMEDIATELY, and since I didn't do it IMMEDIATELY, I was vilified.
I would remove it Bruce, they can be ruthless! You really don't need the aggravation.
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Bet many of you also have Scarface 27x41 advances you think are original but they are not...another one that was done extremely well...
Whoa... that is the first I've heard of a Scarface advance bootleg! Do you mean the photo advance or the regular style with the xmas tagline?
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I am just telling you all that in my opinion there is NO WAY this is a "minty white". But I am happy to accept it is a different fake. I doubt the Rochester boys ever had their hands on an original of this poster first off, and secondly, if they had, there would be no reason to lose the half inch of art. We DO know the Jaws one-sheets were printed in more than one location, so maybe these were too.
But now that Dan says he has one of these with the full art, then I know FOR SURE it is different, and I refuse to sell it on a GUESS that it could be real but from a different printing, so I will end it in the morning and send it back to the consignor. Bottom line, if I am in doubt, I won't sell it.
I have to look out for the consignor as well. It didn't hurt any to leave it on until I had as many facts as possible, because it will never get sold.
And Dan, we will have to agree to disagree on the minty whites. All the ones I have been sent (hundreds) have a very distinctive different paper stock that is equally glossy on the back as they are on the front. Maybe at some point they found better non-glossy back paper stock to use, but if so, I haven't seen one.
And I am sure you could "rough up" one of the minty whites to make them so I could no longer tell the difference, but this one has not been messed with, except for paper loss on the back where it was once taped to a wall.
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"And Dan, we will have to agree to disagree on the minty whites. All the ones I have been sent (hundreds) have a very distinctive different paper stock that is equally glossy on the back as they are on the front. Maybe at some point they found better non-glossy back paper stock to use, but if so, I haven't seen one. "
Agree to disagree...no worries...
At one time I bought multiples of each title from diff sellers to make sure of my findings....hundreds of dollars down the toilet...
In my opinion I never really felt them to be "all that glossy" on the back Bruce...if anyone else has a minty white please chime in..
Ps-the art crop is a result of how they were made...it was unavoidable from my findings...I'm not going to get into this but I will say each title on the minty white list will be ever-so-slightly different from a known original printed in the year they represent. Some will be easy to spot-others are near impossible but there is always a tell-tale sign....again it was unavoidable due to the process they were made. I traced them as far back as the very early 90's.
It would have made a good book this drama huh?
off to count sheep
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I am just telling you all that in my opinion there is NO WAY this is a "minty white". But I am happy to accept it is a different fake.
Now this could be true. I have no idea. Imagine the fight now, that it's not the proper fake! That would be priceless.
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who is reproing the minties? and why, dear lord...
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No, there is NO minty white of this international Jaws insert, just this one.
No one would ever reproduce the minty whites, due to the low quality. They would start with a known original, as the Rochester boys did.
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This particular fake Jaws insert is imo a recreation/restrike produced after hours in mass quantities by unscrupulous nss print shop employees sometime in the mid to late 80's. They came from the same place where the originals were printed. There were other titles as well like Star wars, Blade Runner, etc. I was told a long time ago that these existed. The paper is very close in quality to the original (some think it is EXACTLY the same) and the quality of the printing is just as good as the original. Imagine if it were possible for a us mint employee (who knew what they were doing) was able to sneak into the mint at night and print money. It would be a near perfect counterfeit. That is what I believe these inserts are comparable to. You really have to see one in person side by side with an original and you will just shake your head in disbelief.
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This particular fake Jaws insert is imo a recreation/restrike produced after hours in mass quantities by unscrupulous nss print shop employees sometime in the mid to late 80's. They came from the same place where the originals were printed. There were other titles as well like Star wars, Blade Runner, etc. I was told a long time ago that these existed. The paper is very close in quality to the original (some think it is EXACTLY the same) and the quality of the printing is just as good as the original. Imagine if it were possible for a us mint employee (who knew what they were doing) was able to sneak into the mint at night and print money. It would be a near perfect counterfeit. That is what I believe these inserts are comparable to. You really have to see one in person side by side with an original and you will just shake your head in disbelief.
a bloke in Australia did that in the Royal Australian Mint, except he used old dies and old blanks to make VERY rare Gold Sovereigns. I met him a few times.
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This particular fake Jaws insert is imo a recreation/restrike produced after hours in mass quantities by unscrupulous nss print shop employees sometime in the mid to late 80's. They came from the same place where the originals were printed. There were other titles as well like Star wars, Blade Runner, etc. I was told a long time ago that these existed. The paper is very close in quality to the original (some think it is EXACTLY the same) and the quality of the printing is just as good as the original. Imagine if it were possible for a us mint employee (who knew what they were doing) was able to sneak into the mint at night and print money. It would be a near perfect counterfeit. That is what I believe these inserts are comparable to. You really have to see one in person side by side with an original and you will just shake your head in disbelief.
OK, now I am confused again. If the fake is run on the same presses, with the same plates, using the same paper and printed by the same people, how can it be fake? How is it different than stealing some from an extended print run? And for that matter, how could you tell the difference?
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Not the same plates. The art is cropped. Why is a mystery. But the paper is the same or incredibly similar to regular ones, unlike the minty whites.
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and, they were made several years after the originals were printed.
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Whoa... that is the first I've heard of a Scarface advance bootleg! Do you mean the photo advance or the regular style with the xmas tagline?
Bumpity bump bump.
Don't want this one to get lost... I always read that the xmas tagline versions were not bootleged. It doesn't show up often, as you would expect a bootleg would. However, when it does it is usually rolled. Luckily I only spent $50 on mine.
Any additional info on this would be great Dan (or others).
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agreed. I would love to see any evidence that the advance was bootlegged. Other than obvious moviegoods copies. I have never seen or even heard of a bootleg for either version of the advance scarface 1sh. Like Harry said, they don't show up often as you would expect a bootleg would.
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Any additional info on this would be great Dan (or others).
+1
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Scarface teaser with Pacino's face pictured.
I had one I saved from when the film was released....I then found a seller on Ebay selling them for $20 each about 5 years ago...I couldn't resist...
When comparing the two...they were hard to tell apart...until I saw some white text on the bottom right corner edge (when looking at the poster).
perhaps someone can dig out their poster and see if you can take a pic and post it here..
The copy I got for $20 did not have this text...otherwise...if you bought one and didn't know what a known original looked like or felt like or how the colours are supposed to look....you wouldn't second guess it....
In my best Keanu impression I said to myself "whoaaa"....
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I have a mint folded one, here is the teeny tiny text on the lower right side.
(http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/82011/scartext.jpg)
Are you certain yours is "fake" just because it is missing that text? Or is there something else about it that screams "fake". The real ones are undersized. What are the exact dimensions of yours? I see 5 on ebay right now. Only two look fishy. One from tloce and one from someone else. Could it possibly be a different authorized printing? Is it rolled or folded? Maybe a studio issue? A wilding? I'm not saying it is real, just wondering how you are certain it isn't.
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Thanks for posting Dan, and as Dave said, more info would be great if you have it. Frankly, I'm just glad the poster with the xmas tagline is real as that is the one I own :)
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I see Movieposterkings is still selling them at $20 a pop as a REPRINT....stock up and sell them as originals.
catch ya later slater...
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re: SCARFACE PHOTO ADVANCE
I see you are still sore after all these years dan. Please just get over it and stop with the bs replies. All I'm asking you to do is to provide evidence. Like it or not we are on the same team. (I can hear the smart alecky comments already....."I'm not on his team!".
We are trying to get to the bottom of this, stop being a hindrance. Why don't you answer any of these questions I asked? They are valid questions.
"Are you certain yours is "fake" just because it is missing that text? Or is there something else about it that screams "fake". The real ones are undersized. What are the exact dimensions of yours? I see 5 on ebay right now. Only two look fishy. One from tloce and one from someone else. Could it possibly be a different authorized printing? Is it rolled or folded? Maybe a studio issue? A wilding? I'm not saying it is real, just wondering how you are certain it isn't."
Did you buy yours from movieposterkings, or from someone else? if you bought yours from someone else, how can you be sure yours is the same reproduction as movie posterkings?
I don't know movieposterkings, I don't think I've ever bought anything from them (not that I'm aware of). They are selling their reproduction correctly described as a reproduction.
Without you providing detailed information on the one you have, there is no evidence that this poster has been widely bootlegged, like you hinted at in your post. Yes, it has been copied (like thousands of other posters have been), but I would bet that the copies are easy to spot. I would love to see more details on the one you have, but I doubt that will happen since you have left the hobby. You are obviously not obligated to clarify your assertions, but it would be the right thing to do after dropping a bomb like that.
If you do change your mind and decide to elaborate, I thank you in advance.
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I bought it from Movieposterkings years ago...he sold it as a reprint...which is fine.
I don't have it with me..my posters are in storage..
I remember it being exactly like the known original...but better colour...almost exactly the same size...
the only way I could REALLY tell them apart was the white text...otherwise damn near perfect...
the only other thing I remember is it was printed differently...almost silkscreened....
otherwise they were a very close match...
I wasn't born yesterday...I know what I'm doing when I look over a poster Dave...
been doing it since I was 7 years old! seriously!
Posters are a distant 5th these days in my life...
want to know more?
go buy one from MoviePosterKings...waste your money like I did...
or better yet...buy 10 at 20 for 200 then claim they are part of a diff print run and sell them for 200 each...
have a great weekend...I'm going to enjoy father's day with my son!
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ps...yup...not on your team...I never had a motive for helping people.
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(is it fathers day?)
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(is it fathers day?)
This Sunday is Father's Day here in the States.
Any other countries celebrate this Hallmark holiday?
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we do, but don't THINK its tomorrow, better check or my Daddy will cry.
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looks like danny boy woke on the wrong side of bed this morning eyeroll
thank you for your clarification.
you bought a reprint correctly advertised as a reprint and the quality is SO good that you think people will mistake them for an original.
NEWSFLASH.......there are hundreds of titles from the past 40 years that have excellent quality reprints. You know this. Why you chose to single out the Scarface photo advance I'll never know.
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This Sunday is Father's Day here in the States.
Any other countries celebrate this Hallmark holiday?
Down here too. Hope the little girls get me something nice ;)
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Down here too. Hope the little girls get me something nice ;)
Maybe they'll be getting you something rare...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cK3H0lzJINA/THyH4Q5vWfI/AAAAAAAADU8/qJ2bpl7ay44/s320/humpp3.jpg)
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Oh, that one sheet would be great :)
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Sonis.....as far back as I remember-the one sheets were reprints-no? Or did they print one sheets for international use? Bruce has a Titanic intl up for auction now and I would like to ask if anyone knows if SONIS printed original one sheets for international use-in my experience they only printed large format originals not one sheet size....anyone have more info?
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According to LEARN ABOUT MOVIE POSTERS
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/poster.asp?pid=14011
Does anyone agree or disagree with his findings?
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According to LEARN ABOUT MOVIE POSTERS
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/poster.asp?pid=14011
Does anyone agree or disagree with his findings?
Pretty sure the Sonis is 39" I own the non-Sonis original and it is 40"
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a quote from ED at LAMP
"Now let's see if I can help a little..
Sonis is a service company that started in 1965 and does what ever the film company needs. If they need warehousing, they provide the storage, if they need distribution, etc, etc. They have slowly expanded until they have become almost like a French version of NSS. The film company brings the job to them and they are set up to handle about everything dealing with assessories for them.
By contract, if the film company wants their posters to be out on the market, they allow Sonis to wholesale them to shops. If they don't, Sonis can't release them. This is what drives collectors nuts.... it breaks OUR 'categorized conception' of a strict film poster. So this makes them a collectors nightmare!
But in many ways, it's a slight variation from what the US studios have done for years. They sell their posters through their stores and online.... and nobody thinks twice about it. Some even sell their older posters.
For about 2 years Warner Brothers tried to cut costs on posters for their video operation, so they issued their theater posters straight to the video stores. Many distributors drop off posters that wind up in collectors shops or dealers selling them online.
It just shakes up 'our' concept of a strict theater poster. But when it boils down to it, it's the same poster, printed by the same printer and from the same batch that was put into the theaters. Where do you draw the line????
What is the difference in the extra posters that are printed that go to the French shops, than the US printer that prints up a couple of extra boxes and sells them out the back door to someone to help make up for the low ball printing costs that they had to give to get the job from the studio. (and this happens WAY more than you think, I know, I've bought hundreds of boxes over the years). How could you tell the difference anyway?
Sonis puts their logo on it, there's nothing 'sneaky' going on. The concern of the hobby should be the people that take a poster and have it printed by some printer and then try to fraudulently pass it off as a poster released by the film company as part of their promotion.
I hope this helps and not cause more confusion,
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I saw this on Bruce's auction page for ANNIE HALL and never knew this?
Note that this movie was first released with the tagline, "A nervous romance.". Apparently, this made some United Artists executives nervous, for they quickly issued a second version with the new tagline, "A new comedy." (not very original, but not a "problem"). The one-sheets have an "R" next to the NSS number, but it does not mean "re-release", but rather "revised". THIS poster is from the very first release of this classic comedy, the one with the "A nervous romance." tagline. Also note that this poster has never been machine folded! Most insert posters were folded twice horizontally right off of the printing press. It is very difficult to find an unfolded example of most insert posters, especially from before 1970!
Can anyone confirm this? How did you come to learn this Bruce? news to me....
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Cool story. Of course the tagline "A Nervous Romance" is vastly superior to "A New Comedy."
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Annie.jpg)
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Someone who seemed to know what they were talking about e-mailed us that story, and it has been on all of those revised one-sheets since then (years ago) and you are the first to ever comment on it. It seems like you should be able to confirm or deny it, and if you do, please let us know. Thanks.
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I assume this is the person who told you http://flicksfilmposters.co.uk/page22.htm
Here's what I know...
Annie Hall opened in New York Wednesday April 20th 1977 in 7 Theatres...the newspaper ad had the tag line "A NEW COMEDY"....
In Vancouver we sneaked the print April 23rd as did Toronto the same night...no details about the film were released including the title of the film..ps UA sneaked it with NETWORK at the time....it didn't open wide until April 29th....with ads showing "A NERVOUS ROMANCE"....It ran here at the brand new Capitol 6 Theatre...they continued to use the same advertising campaign until July 22 when it was changed to a photo-style of Allen and Keaton...no tag line....there was an ad run on JULY 23RD which went back to the original campaign using NERVOUS....ANNIE HALL ran here until December 22 1977 a day after Goodbye Girl opened...never went to NEW COMEDY ...FAST FORWARD TO THURSDAY APRIL 6 1978...newspaper ads show NERVOUS ROMANCE campaign on the Wednesday leading up....THURSDAY opening day changed back to photo-style with Allen and Keaton with ACADEMY AWARD ANNOUNCEMENTS...they toggle between the two campaigns until Friday JUNE 30TH 1978 when it FINALLY came off the Fine Arts Theatre (replaced by Goodbye Girl)....still using the NERVOUS campaign....so...what does all this mean?
WELL....THE NEW COMEDY campaign was (AT LEAST MADE) at the time of it's original NEW YORK RELEASE....HOWEVER...when it was released in other places AFTER the campaign changed to NERVOUS ROMANCE and was always used in PRINT ADVERTISING....so IF UNITED ARTISTS HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE TAG LINE YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE AT LEAST CHANGED ALL PRINT ADVERTISING AS IT WAS THE CHEAPEST THING TO DO......
All inserts-half sheets I have seen use the NERVOUS tag...so why the "R" on the NEW COMEDY then?
I don't have an answer for that-at least not one that makes sense unless they were done for the ACADEMY AWARD reissue and never used?????? Yes I know there were newspaper ads with that tag for NEW YORK but if they printed one sheets for that release I doubt very much they would have stuck an R in the corner.....
Just some info I thought to pass along.....not that I know anything about movie posters or ad campaigns ;0)
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Doubt anyone will know what I'm talking about but I am always on the lookout for 3 posters.....1 is a DOLBY DIGITAL TRAIN poster..came out around 1992 for DD promo in theatres...saw one once...and that was it........2 a FAMOUS PLAYERS 27x40/1 poster..basically a promo poster for the theatre chain..saw a couple of them..long time ago....and lastly...GREMLINS...need a character poster 27x41 for the OLYMPICS...I have the other 2....lmk
Dan
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I know there are a few of you guys out there that throw me an email looking for the "rare stuff" every once in awhile and I thought of you the other day..
I was digging in my stash last week for a poster I wanted to double check and ended up pulling out a few RARE PIECES I thought I could part with-if you would like a list and some pictures it will be first come first serve-hope to have the pictures sorted out Tuesday and sending out the list with pictures Wednesday...send me an email at danrickard@hotmail.com.
These represent what I have found in the last 15 years of hunting for posters on the internet so I know what exactly what "rare" really means.
peace out...
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I'm not buying much at the moment, but I always like reading about rare posters... Can you post the list and pictures in this thread? Thanks Dan!
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I'm not buying much at the moment, but I always like reading about rare posters... Can you post the list and pictures in this thread? Thanks Dan!
That would make this a 'for sale' thread, unless it was done after the fact...
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I will try to include some text after the fact about the pieces that have past through my hands for some interesting reading when I have a moment.
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What does the film Hammett and Mad Max have in common?
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Thought someone might get it but I guess not....both North American one sheets were illustrated by Bill Garland...big fan here...tried many times to get a hold of him...he does not respond to emails I guess...I spent time talking with Stout (Wizards) regarding the Mad Max artwork and it was he who led me to Garland...Stout was very helpful and a really good guy!
Just a little "bit" from my past...
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HAMMETT and MAD MAX...Couldn't figure that one out.
Could this be some rejected ESCAPE FROM NY art?
(http://www.phosphorart.com/wp-content/uploads/Gunman-by-Bill-Garland.jpg)
Found it here: http://www.phosphorart.com/bill-garland/ (http://www.phosphorart.com/bill-garland/)
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I don't know off hand...kinda thought this art was used Internationally but I could be wrong....
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Hey Dan, were those Spiderman "Twin Towers" posters licensed reprints, as speculated below? "Dan says he saw proofsheets with the Moviegoods logo"....
(http://www.posternirvana.com/0DNE2/2013-01/Spidey.jpg)
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I assume we are talking about the "Coming Soon" printing correct?
Sorry Dave without the word "sale" in the disclaimer equals not theatrical.
Then again if you are your friends say they are well who am I to disagree?
At one point in my "Spidey" days I was contacted by someone who had offered me a uncut proof of this printing with "moviegoods" as the contract name on the top.
I asked what he wanted for it..and never heard from him again....
It's no secret Moviegoods had some contracts with some of the studios for print runs...they were huge...and there's a ton of story with that but in short I never got confirmation if this Spidey printing was indeed Moviegoods or not....
Evidence I saw says it was...
I have an original "coming soon" and when put side by side a monkey could tell the difference in printing...or for that matter Dave.
cheers
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ps-something happened with the original Spiderman posters early on....
it appears there were deals struck for outside printing of Spiderman posters with zig zag and someone else...when the WTC events happened and the advertising materials were recalled-asked to be taken down and removed-... I always found it odd that they printed a d/s reprint of the Green Goblin style but there was never a d/s 27x40 one sheet released theatrically..just a Bus Stop which I still have..also..swinging d/s was an odd one...where as the 3 MAY printing that matched that were single sided....the twin towers 3 MAY reprint which I suspect was done by zig zag but never proven came out almost right away-right after the theatrical printing surfaced in theatres...
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My concern is not how to distinguish the "mystery reprints" vs. the theatrical originals. That's easy, just check the back. The back of the theater originals are lighter/whiter, whereas the reprints are a mirror image.
My interest is "dealer runs" - posters printed for and sold to dealers for resale.
I'm wondering if all these "mystery D/S reprints" (Spiderman, Saving Private Ryan, Dark Knight "Armed Joker," and Dark Knight "Why So Serious") are not "unauthorized bootlegs" at all but just lower-quality "dealer runs."
That Green Hornet poster does pop up occasionally, interesting the D/S is a dealer reprint:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/2012/Spider-Man-cf2604b6_zps93ebf556.jpg)
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My concern is not how to distinguish the "mystery reprints" vs. the theatrical originals. That's easy, just check the back. The back of the theater originals are lighter/whiter, whereas the reprints are a mirror image.
So, does this mean that the Joker DARK KNIGHT one sheet in question here (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4329.msg77495.html#msg77495 (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4329.msg77495.html#msg77495)) is an original? Your 'verdict' was "probable original."
The Green Goblin one sheet was produced as a banner, a Zigzag DS one sheet and -- not many know this -- as a Hershey poster (27x40) giveaway. You had to mail in for a three-poster Spidey deal, one of which is the elusive Goblin. They are single-sided but cool, indeed. (I know, 'cause I have them.)
cheers
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What does "original" really mean? Until recently, I didn't really understand that studios sold posters directly to dealers. Are those "originals"? It never was displayed in theaters. My guess now - for what it's worth - is that MovieGoods legally sold them (and now they're sold out, by the way). Maybe the studio printed them for use in theaters and them dumped them on MovieGoods and other dealers after Heath died. Maybe MovieGoods ordered a print run of them. They are not the typical MovieGoods super-blurry super-cheap looking reprints, that's for sure.
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What does "original" really mean? Until recently, I didn't really understand that studios sold posters directly to dealers. Are those "originals"? It never was displayed in theaters. My guess now - for what it's worth - is that MovieGoods legally sold them (and now they're sold out, by the way). Maybe the studio printed them for use in theaters and them dumped them on MovieGoods and other dealers after Heath died. Maybe MovieGoods ordered a print run of them. They are not the typical MovieGoods super-blurry super-cheap looking reprints, that's for sure.
And they don't say Moviegoods on them, like some of the Spideys in question.
The guy I bought them from was a non-poster seller on Ebay.
I still haven't heard back from BLT studios, so I will email them again.
cheers
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Good one...forgot about the mail-in version...correct!!
Moviegoods most likely signed a contract with Sony for x amount of dollars...got a digital file and had them printed in Calgary would be my guess.
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ps-would love to see a pic of that mail-in Goblin...don't remember actually seeing one in person.
cheers
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ps-would love to see a pic of that mail-in Goblin...don't remember actually seeing one in person.
Will do, Dan.
But I must warn you. I don't have a pic on file and it might be a few days till I can take one. hitself
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Here's the Hershey Green Goblin:
http://www.bonanza.com/listings/Spider-Man-1-Green-Goblin-Movie-Poster-2002-Hershey-s-Special-Issue/90852495
(http://bonanzleimages.s3.amazonaws.com/afu/images/2094/9649/Posters_2012_005.jpg)
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That's the one. Thanks, Mel.
cheers
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I recently pulled out all the "minty white" inserts from my collection-any ideas who these should go to? Should I auction them? Send them to Bruce....back in the day I paid full price for them-and also have a roll of a couple of originals beside them as well...input appreciated.
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Star Wars
Empire B *
Empire A
Jaws *
Alien *
Sat Night Fever
Jedi A *
Jedi B *
The Enforcer *
Clockwork Orange X
Grease
Raging Bull
Scarface
Raiders Of The Lost Ark
Blade Runner
Taxi Driver
Apocalypse Now
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Those are about the only things we WON'T auction, because it is just too likely they would eventually end up back on eBay.
I have spent a fortune sending those back to disappointed consignors.
But what gets me is that I always say, "Try to get your money back, no matter how long it has been" and the vast majority of them say, "Ill just chalk it up to experience".
Bummer
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I recently pulled out all the "minty white" inserts from my collection-any ideas who these should go to? Should I auction them? Send them to Bruce....back in the day I paid full price for them-and also have a roll of a couple of originals beside them as well...input appreciated.
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If I'm reading that right and you have some legits, I'd be happy to take them off your hands. I'll even pay for the shipping. ;)
Seriously, though, why not auction off the legits?
How much would it affect the value of the "minty whites" if you stamped the back (so that it did not bleed through) with the word "Reproduction" and then auctioned them as such? There's got to be people out there that want the art but can't afford authentics, no?
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I tried warning some of Locust's victims about these inserts but the Ebay sleazebags threatened to shut down my account, so I had to quit.
I did put up authentications for most of these inserts - probably most of the info was ultimately derived from Dan's original authentications - so at least people have a chance to avoid getting ripped off:
http://www.moviepostercollectors.com/Authentications.html
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Hell I am with Mike there is someone out there that would want them. I would take them off your hands as well. Some of those pieces originals are expensive as hell.
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I decided to throw them on Fleabay and without turning this into a for sale thread ...that is where they are if anyone wants them.
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Does anyone know if Dan ever got his book, or revised website off the ground and up and running? He hasnt been back to APF since 2014. Is he still involved in the hobby and has anyone been in touch with him?
This is a really good thread and invaluable with the info he was offering in his earlier posts. Here's hoping he might come back. prayer.gif
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I have a printer proof (yes I use that term) for The Muppet Movie where only some of the art is printed but no credits which is "rare" but as for increase value?
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, I hope Dan is still around reading this. Does anyone know if he consigned this poster to Bruce? I bought one of these on EMP recently and comparing it to production versions of the poster I think it's an early test. Not only are the credits not present but the colors are a little different and the title is not outlined so it's hard to read. The final version has a nice dark outline on the title making it stand out from the sky background. So I consider this a test print to test how well the image and title look. It clearly could be better so the title was changed to be outlined and the sky was darkened a bit to make it contrast more with the white title letters.
Happy to be here and reading up on old threads