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Common Poster Subjects => Restoration => Topic started by: Neo on February 03, 2012, 06:48:03 PM
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Just saw this video of Posterfix, with Chris Cloutier, linen backing an Avatar 6 sheet.
http://www.youtube.com/v/ObRxXN4MmFA
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Just saw this video of Posterfix, with Chris Cloutier, linen backing an Avatar 6 sheet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObRxXN4MmFA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObRxXN4MmFA)
Wow! This guy sucks. Different plates... See how he just throws the paper on; poor form... Did you see how many air bubbles were left... Poor sucker who paid for that is going to be a little annoyed...
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Man I really need to get a linen back setup going; I could so do better than this guy. His restos are so obvious.... Or maybe it's harder than I think...
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I think his work sucks. I am not impressed at all. I have seen other people do it, and this is poor. BTW, my copy of Avatar lines up perfectly.
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Avatar4.jpg)
T
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Yes, his technique is not how my restorer does it with those poster types. Far to slow with the rollers and missing a trick to flatten it.
Silly at the end of the video, him wearing a spacesuit.
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Chris Cloutier is a POS - he took 6 months to LB my Goldfinger poster and it's lumpy and looks like hell and is now worthless:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/BOndP9100001.jpg)
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Charlie, that would be real cool if you paved the way for DIYers who want to linen back their own stuff.
T, since you mentioned your Avatar 6 sheet lines up perfectly, I was compelled to attempt to do so on my own. When I first got it, I tried to line up the sheets, and as I mentioned in a previous post, they would not line up, but in hindsight it was largely due to the fact that it was rolled so tight that it was difficult to work with, and I didn't realize how much the sheets overlap. Its been lying flat for a while, and after lining up the sheets carefully, mine also lines up perfectly, the borders and the art. The guy doing the one on the vid may have set up the first couple sheets a little wrong, and in that case the rest of the sheets would not line up correctly. I can't speak as to Mr. Cloutier's linen backing methods, but in the few vids I've seen of him, and the various things I've read about him, it seems like he could take more care with the pieces he is entrusted with.
Mel, I can't imagine what he did to that Bond poster, but that sucks, especially since it took that long, one would expect it to be perfect. Did you contact him about a refund?
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If you make a video to advertize your business, you better do a freakin' great job. The way I see it, this is a gigantic failure and I can't imagine anyone ever requesting the services of that bozo.
T
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Mel, sorry that it happened, but most here know that he does not know what the fuck he's doing. He sells his cheap linenbacking on ebay for 100 a pop, but he sucks. You should have gone with Dario, or, if you want to spend a lot, Poster Mountain.
Next time.
Chris Cloutier is a POS - he took 6 months to LB my Goldfinger poster and it's lumpy and looks like hell and is now worthless:
(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/Forty_Candles/BOndP9100001.jpg)
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Chris Cloutier is a POS - he took 6 months to LB my Goldfinger poster and it's lumpy and looks like hell and is now worthless:
Mel
I told you not to send this idiot anything. why didn't you listen?
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I think Mel & James Bond are a combination simply doomed to failure.
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I don't think that video is doing what he wants it to be doing. Happily, it does explain Mel's poster.
What a craptastic job. I'd be PO'd if that came back to me.
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good lord.. there are so many things wrong with how they work it is truly unbelievable
to anyone intelligent that video should tell them to go anywhere else
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I can't imagine anyone ever requesting the services of that bozo.
T
Me neither... crappy work
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My first experience with PosterFix was buying a linenbacked poster from them on ebay.
It literally looked like the work had been done by a child with crayons.
Subsequent experiences on MoPo - in particular his childish responses and insulting language aimed at a female member there - are representative of someone who is best left alone from society in the basement of a closed library.
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* and that's aside from the simple fact that I have heard scores of complaints about PosterFix and Chris Cloutier and never a single praise, should tell you what a piece of work that fool is
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That was from a year ago. I learned a lot from that experience:
(1) Have the patience to wait for a good quality unrestored original, rather than buying a beat up copy and then having it restored.
(2) NEVER miss the 45 day Paypal deadline to file a complaint. Always file a claim if the seller has not delivered by that deadline.
(3) NEVER miss the 60 day Ebay deadline to post negative feedback.
(4) NEVER deal with Chris Cloutier.
Despite knowing his poor reputation, I bought his $99 special and sent him that Goldfinger combo poster (I think I paid about $75 for it - the artwork was in good condition but it had an extra fold at the bottom and was generally beat up, so it really needed linen-backing to look decent). He promised me repeatedly to get it back in a month or so. He stopped responding to emails about its status. I missed the Paypal and Ebay deadlines and was basically without any meaningful recourse. Finally, I threatened to file a claim against him in Brooklyn small claims court just on principle. It showed up 6 months later in atrocious condition.
So I'm out $175 and am probably just going to throw it away.
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You could post a YouTube video about your experience!
sm1
Bruce
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Send it to Bruce (as if you were to get it consigned). So when he gives you his description of how poor it is.
Start an argument with posterfix. Then make a youtube video of it. If you have a professional opinion on how poor the job is. Then atleast you have even more back up for more people(the ones that don't come to APF) to believe you when you make the youtube video.
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This cannot be buried. It deserves its own thread.
T
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Send it to Bruce (as if you were to get it consigned). So when he gives you his description of how poor it is.
Start an argument with posterfix. Then make a youtube video of it. If you have a professional opinion on how poor the job is. Then atleast you have even more back up for more people(the ones that don't come to APF) to believe you when you make the youtube video.
I like this approach.
Don't let the dude get away with it, Mel.
Stick it in and snap it off at the hilt.
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Posterfix? More like Posterfux.... amirite?
1st LB poster I bought on ebay was from this guy, there is a reason it was the last...
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Just watched the video for the second time, and it's obvious why the sheets don't line up in his video. The lower right section is not overlapping the upper right section enough, causing the rest of the sheets on the lower half to line up incorrectly.
For the record, I didn't write the title on this subject. It looks like the guy has a lot of work, so hopefully he can learn from his mistakes, and improve his future restorations, thereby improving his reputation in the business.
I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but is there a video showing (in your opinion) an excellent linen backing/restoration job?
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It looks like the guy has a lot of work, so hopefully he can learn from his mistakes, and improve his future restorations, thereby improving his reputation in the business.
laugh1
Neo.. this has been going on for years with this guy. Look at any forum or newsgroup & you'll find a wide variety of complaints about a wide variety of issues with this ass clown. The possibility of Chris cleaning up his act, to anyone who has been watching for years, is absolute ZERO and the possibility of them doing good work is the same ZERO
ultimate conclusion: MASSIVE FAIL
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Just watched the video for the second time, and it's obvious why the sheets don't line up in his video. The lower right section is not overlapping the upper right section enough, causing the rest of the sheets on the lower half to line up incorrectly.
For the record, I didn't write the title on this subject. It looks like the guy has a lot of work, so hopefully he can learn from his mistakes, and improve his future restorations, thereby improving his reputation in the business.
I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but is there a video showing (in your opinion) an excellent linen backing/restoration job?
I bought my poster in the '90s... If you haven't improved in a decade, then you never will...
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Just trying to be optimistic, fellas. It's kinda surprising how much work he has, considering all the negative stuff I've read about him and his company.
I would like to see a video of what y'all consider real top notch linen backing work.
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Neo, I understand you may be trying to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but as Dale says "if you haven't improved in a decade, you never will".
Optimism is one thing. Pipe dreams are another and expecting Cloutier to improve in either restoring skills or people skills is the pipiest dream of all pipe dreams
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Mel
I told you not to send this idiot anything. why didn't you listen?
eyeroll
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Neo, I understand you may be trying to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but as Dale says "if you haven't improved in a decade, you never will".
Optimism is one thing. Pipe dreams are another and expecting Cloutier to improve in either restoring skills or people skills is the pipiest dream of all pipe dreams
Agree - to anyone who is interested, and as mentioned, seek out the profanity-filled drivel he spouted against one client on MoPo!
People really need to take responsibility for not doing proper research...
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Just trying to be optimistic, fellas. It's kinda surprising how much work he has, considering all the negative stuff I've read about him and his company.
I would like to see a video of what y'all consider real top notch linen backing work.
http://www.postermountain.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-01-19T14:24:00-08:00&max-results=7
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Thanks Charlie. thumbup Looks like they do excellent work.
I've had a few pieces done by Poster Conservation (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/home/), and the final product was excellent, IMO, and at a very reasonable price. It's cool how Poster Mountain has a few articles where they photograph and explain every step.
The main reason I found these forum joints and all y'all online friends is because (I know I've said this before) a framer messed up a few of my posters in the first batch I got, and I went scouring the web for some insight on the best course of action. Linen backing is something that I think is awesome and it's good to know that there are some well respected companies in the business.
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I've had a few pieces done by Poster Conservation (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/home/),
Lee Milazzo does great work
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Just saw this video of Posterfix, with Chris Cloutier, linen backing an Avatar 6 sheet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObRxXN4MmFA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObRxXN4MmFA)
No good can come from a guy who wears sweat pants in public
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I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but is there a video showing (in your opinion) an excellent linen backing/restoration job?
Neo, there dont seem to be many backing/restoration videos out there. I did come across one, created by J Fields Studio, back in 2008, when they backed a 24 sheet for the magician, Carter The Great. It isnt the best video quality and the 5 hr job was sped up to show the process from start to finish, but it is something. I know that J Fields recently moved to Seattle. Several MOPO members have used them and have been happy with their work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fB-o8SXjA0
Jeff
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Just trying to be optimistic, fellas. It's kinda surprising how much work he has, considering all the negative stuff I've read about him and his company.
I would like to see a video of what y'all consider real top notch linen backing work.
I think he gets the work because he does it for cheap, and people love to think that even though it's a cheap price, they're going to get quality work. In his case, it's too good to be true.
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And 2 clips from Poster Mountain.
Backing a 24 sheet for Cecil B DeMille's King of Kings:
http://www.youtube.com/v/bzCEnizQP90
and backing/restoring a 28 sheet for the magician, Bancroft. This video shows more detail, sections worked on, and the processes leading up to the final backing:
http://www.youtube.com/v/63aPdg6gTvw
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Thanks for posting those links, Jeff.
Very cool.
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I think he gets the work because he does it for cheap, and people love to think that even though it's a cheap price, they're going to get quality work. In his case, it's too good to be true.
You're probably right, Holiday. I used to work at a Tire Kingdom, and people expected the best work, at the cheapest price, and in the fastest time. In reality, at least with auto mechanics, it is not possible to have all three. Logically it is the same in any field. The main reason I went to Poster Conservation was because they had great prices, and assured me it would be a quick turnaround time. Their prices are lower than anywhere else I looked (I didn't look at Posterfix for obvious reasons), the work was excellent, the total turnaround time was about 2 weeks, and they are very nice people to deal with. Doesn't get much better than that, not to sound like an online advertisement, but that was my experience with Poster Conservation.
Great links, Jeff. Based on the videos, it looks like Poster Mountain and J. Fields take a lot of care with their work. Thanks for posting those.
After looking into it, DIY linen backing is probably not practical, but it would be cool if you could prove me wrong, Charlie. I looked into DIY framing a couple years ago, and for the frame moldings I wanted, some good equipment to cut and join the moldings, cut the plexi and foamboard, etc., I would have to frame about 60 one sheets to start saving any money. Since there is a framing place that does my frames perfectly, it really doesn't make any sense to spend that much time, and extra money since I'm not going to have 60 one sheet frames. It's about the same dealio with linen backing. Not to mention the learning curve with anything.
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Thought you guys might find this humorous (and scary).
Read this clown's response to the negative feedback he received recently...
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=posterfix.com&&_trksid=p4340.l2560&iid=370625721604&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
Paid by USPS Money Order $833.95 on 12/27... Will file a claim with USPS 2/23.
Member id 1878-1899 ( Feedback Score Of 219Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Feb-22-12 21:00
Reply by posterfix.com (Mar-03-12 20:50):
I still have your posters, you want my BEST work? remove this silly feedback
Follow-up by 1878-1899 (Mar-05-12 15:27):
_Numerous BBB complaints on file.. Filed MAIL FRAUD CHARGES w/Postal Inspector !
LINEN BACKING for your 1-sheet POSTER $119~ free shipping in USA (#370570101171) US $99.00
PAID 12/27 shipped poster.. Seller was out-of-country, Now won't reply to emails
Member id 1878-1899 ( Feedback Score Of 219Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Feb-22-12 12:03
Reply by posterfix.com (Mar-03-12 20:51):
But I have your posters and your money. and now I dont have to complete them
Follow-up by 1878-1899 (Mar-05-12 15:24):
Thank you for admitting to MAIL FRAUD.. Forwarded to NY Attorney Gen office.
LINEN BACKING for your 3-sheet POSTER $289~ free ship in USA (#370570101593) US $289.00
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What an asshole...
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What an asshole...
Indeed - goes to show why people really need to perform their due diligence before handing over their $$$ and property!
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I just looked at the BBB site. While Posterfix is not accredited with them, the company still has gotten an F rating from the BBB, based on 18 complaints, twelve of which were never responded to by Cloutier.
Here were the complaint types, by break down:
Complaint Type Total Closed Complaints
Advertising/Sales Issues: 4
Billing/Collection Issues: 0
Delivery Issues: 7
Guarantee/Warranty Issues: 0
Problems with Product/Service: 7
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Total Closed Complaints: 18
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Damn - I wish he had responded! Would have been good for some more laughs...
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Oh for some reason I didn't see a "Is a Complete Douchebag" complaint category?!
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Damn - I wish he had responded! Would have been good for some more laughs...
He did respond to 6, but the responses are not included on the BBB site; only that he, in fact, had.
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Thank you for admitting to MAIL FRAUD.. Forwarded to NY Attorney Gen office
Love this response. It's politely saying "Right back at you Snapperhead!!!"
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Dude has big balls.
He needs a few swift kicks, doesn't he?
(http://www.yoogirls.com/storefiles/379/clip_images/gun.gif)
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I happened to look at one of his more recent restoration videos, where he once again, has, what looks to be a 12x12" ceramic tile, with touch up border paint, sitting RIGHT ON THE POSTER he is working on. He dips his brush onto that tile and then works on the border touch ups. All i could think about was the potential for paint drops off that brush falling onto the main artwork of the poster. Unreal.
nono
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But I have your posters and your money. and now I dont have to complete them
This is heading into Hughes territory. Is there some chemical these restorers use that melts the "return your poster" part of the brain?
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This is heading into Hughes territory. Is there some chemical these restorers use that melts the "return your poster" part of the brain?
Only if they use fixative... The only thing I have to use outside is fixative else no other strong odors. Sometime the Orvus puts off a strong odor, as does the bleach, and vinegar... But not enough to make you loopy... Only the fixative.
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This is heading into Hughes territory. Is there some chemical these restorers use that melts the "return your poster" part of the brain?
And it certainly cant be his own brand of methyl cellulose archival glue (Pfix) that he uses and sells, since he says it is odorless and non toxic. :-X
wynk
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Where NOT to keep your rusted cans of pencils, brushes and the like :o :
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8480/8194224013_79b31dd167.jpg)
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Man, that picture makes my skin crawl.
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Did the owner ask where the 3 light, rust colored circles came from. wynk
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Did the owner ask where the 3 light, rust colored circles came from. wynk
Could you imagine actually owning a Forbidden Planet one sheet and then sending it to that tard and letting him put his inept hands and rusty cans all over it :-X
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It's a crime against humanity and the perpetrator should be bitch-slapped by Robby for eternity.
May the creature from the ID haunt his/her every waking hour....
(http://library.duke.edu/lilly/film-video/images/forbidden-planet.jpg)
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Gotta love, too, how he thumps his finger ON the poster, to show how taught the dried linen has become :P :
http://www.youtube.com/v/kZRNtjpqYNI
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Below he puts a lid on a pen. Are there conservation quality pens (watercolor pens???). A few seconds after this shot he says he did full archival conservation.
(http://www.mysterycorp.com/temp/fb_pen.jpg)
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Aren't black sharpies reversible?? laugh1
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And he's laying all over the poster, markers everywhere! Really shocking. Compare it with Poster Mountain, where they are up on easels...crazy!
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I'd really like to see a hi res image of this completed poster.
I looked at his site again, just now. He does show some "befores and afters," but none are large image files. I wonder why? :-\
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I wonder why? :-\
He sucks.
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And he's laying all over the poster, markers everywhere! Really shocking. Compare it with Poster Mountain, where they are up on easels...crazy!
You never should do any wet restoration (even pencil work as it can crease the dried product) work once the poster is off (cut down) the frame. The guy is an idiot. Plus WTF; you can't even dedicate a single frame to a $5000 poster. Nope this clown is so worried about the $$$ that he puts two within a single frame. The tensions don't match from frame edge to center. Meaning that the left side of that beauty dried at a different tension than the right; FAIL! It amazes me that this guy stays in business...
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He sucks.
The question states the obvious.
No hi res after images = something to hide or not disclose.
And I shudder to think that I even half considered trying him about 8 years ago. I didnt, thank goodness, but I can only imagine what might have been.
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He sucks.
Plain and simple
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Here, CC restores bullfighting posters. (Steve (50s), you might like these posters, too, in any case :) )
What is astounding to see, is the older Asian woman that is working for him, slathering ELMER'S GLUE, with a brush, under parts of a poster that looks to have been recently backed (but not yet totally dry @ 7;40-8;40). So much for using water based, archival materials.
There are some fantastic looking posters, however.
http://www.youtube.com/v/_uLDdaroxLg
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Dario has said Elmer's is the absolute worst!
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Dario has said Elmer's is the absolute worst!
I say Posterfix is the absolute worst!
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Looking forward to Charlie's list of errors made in the video.
pcorn
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I say Posterfix is the absolute worst!
clap
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He used the elmer's glue because he was too lazy to take off the tape. It bubbled on him after it dried where you see the guy make the cut. He had to use it because the methcell would not adhere it... Else I hate how he lays it down, probably does more damage than necessary. Hate that he puts more than one poster on a single frame. Ergo the reason he had to cut it down before it was finished so he could probably send the other two out. Then he does wet work once it is off the frame. Probably warped the poster... he always setting stuff on the poster and does all his touch up work flat; I would imagine if he was professionally trained artist as he says he would have a eisel somewhere... Lastly that tape he is using is the worst probably ripped half the masa off with it. That is probably what happened to Mel's bond poster... ripped off the masa and cover up...
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Here, CC restores bullfighting posters. (Steve (50s), you might like these posters, too, in any case :) )
Thanks yeah, I've seen that one. It has been discussed on NS4 (http://stylec.yuku.com/reply/115261/Is-that-the-worst-poster-restorer-on-Earth#reply-115261) .
He reads out the names of the bull fighters (like he knows what he is talking about) vertically eg 'Jaime Diego' but their names in fact are read horizontally. Their names are 'Jaime Ostos (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Ostos&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Jaime%2BOstos:%2522%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26tbo%3Dd&sa=X&ei=wIAYUZmRKarkmAWQ3oGwCA&ved=0CDoQ7gEwAA)' & 'Diego Puerta (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Puerta&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Diego%2BPuerta%2522%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26tbo%3Dd%26site%3Dwebhp&sa=X&ei=QoEYUefXF6PamAW1_oDoCw&ved=0CDoQ7gEwAA)'
(http://www.mysterycorp.com/temp/posterFix_bull_names.jpg)
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I know, Steve.
It was as if he was doing a first, cold read out of some bullfighting history book. What he should have been talking about was the way that Asian woman was manhandling and further damaging that poster. Or why she was applying Elmer's glue and using an Exacto knife with a dull blade. I noticed how it pulled and tore the paper slightly when she started to make that first cut, prior to slathering the Elmer's.
Not to mention the paint touch ups, and mixing the paint colors right on top of the poster. :o The colors applied in several areas did not truly match and no airbrush detailing, shading or texture was even applied.
And when he pronounced the name, "Jaime," with a hard J sound, I knew it was all going to be downhill from there. eyeroll
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Other Posterfix videos here (http://shelf3d.com/Search/Uploaded%20by%20posterfix)
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Other Posterfix videos here (http://shelf3d.com/Search/Uploaded%20by%20posterfix)
Oh dear lord there should be Not Suitable for General Exhibition disclaimers on these videos!
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The ebay offers are sprouting up again: :P
Premium Deluxe POSTER RESTORATION & Linen backing $350 up to 47 x 63
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Premium-Deluxe-POSTER-RESTORATION-Linen-backing-350-up-to-47-x-63-/370767298397?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item565373ff5d
Elmer's glue offered at No extra charge!! gun1
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Biz must be dead slow (no pun intended)... at the PF locale.
He posted to MOPO yesterday morning, saying his "shop is bare...."
He's offering to linen back 5 OS size posters for only $400.00
Maybe all those in the know (and from prior experience), are staying away, and in droves. :-X
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I wouldn't send that Jack Wagon a poster again if he did it for FREE!!!
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On a whim, I watched Pfix's video on the backing of the Indian AVATAR 6sh poster, and he actually explained that the panels were out of registration by 2 inches, causing the parts of the letter "R" to not line up. It could be possible, but 2" off is A LOT! Then I found another image of the same 6 sheet and compared.
The left pic is a screen grab from his vid, the right, the same sections, of the same poster, just laid out, (not backed) to show that there is not that much discrepancy. One has but to look at the letter R in his overlapped pieces and one can easily see where he 'way' overlapped those 2 sections, (look at the opening in the R) creating this, well...odd-legged, truncated 'anomoly.' eyeroll
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/spitfire3992/NOT_zps09bc673e.jpg)
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/spitfire3992/3_zps6be544ca.gif)
Full video here, for anyone that wants to take a gander. mesmrized
http://www.youtube.com/v/ObRxXN4MmFA
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I think Posterfix Avatar has been discussed elsewhere:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3743.msg60709.html#msg60709
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I think Posterfix Avatar has been discussed elsewhere:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3743.msg60709.html#msg60709
Just saw that, Steve.. I didnt think to look to the start of the thread.
The side by side images show that his comment about the print registration being so far off, is very inaccurate. ;)
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This video needs a disclaimer such as "Not Suitable for General Exhibition"
What a travesty
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This video needs a disclaimer such as "Not Suitable for General Exhibition"
What a travesty
So true, Chris.
I feel bad for the client he told that same "registration/sheets dont line up" story to. The thing is.. like many buyers--- they will lay a poster out on their floor (like our thread here) when it first arrives..just to see how it looks, "in the flesh," so to speak. Even a rough layout.
What does Pfix say to that client, who KNOWS it lined up, prior to backing.. when it is delivered, looking like this?? "RE-DO!!" (more likely, go elsewhere).
Yikes!!
:o
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/261391284724
Posterfix.com will Linen Back YOUR original poster and make a video documentary of the process.
You provide us with a vintage original poster of any size up to a 3-sheet size (41 x 79 in) and we will
archivally linen back, restore, neutralize acids, etc. We will also create a 30 minute video, with editing and music and narration,
to go along with the project.
If you wish we can upload the video to you tube and various websites- or not- it's up to you. Below is an example of one of our videos. more can been seen on our "about me" page. All this for $1000
Now that's enticing!
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1000. for them to show how they massacre and blemish posters, with things like Elmer's Glue and the misalignment of sections that would make a blind person cringe?
Yikes!! :o
The videos he has on Youtube-- while somewhat interesting, are also the eyes into the manhandling and sloppy work that goes on there, with a staff that doesn't know a vintage poster from a sheet of rice noodle dough left to dry in the sunshine.
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May the Iron Sheik break his back , fuck his ass and make him humble moron1
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May the Iron Sheik break his back , fuck his ass and make him humble moron1
+1
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with a staff that doesn't know a vintage poster from a sheet of rice noodle dough left to dry in the sunshine.
I have to admit, that is a funny line
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I have to admit, that is a funny line
;D
And even on a re-watch, I cringe when I watch his bullfighting restore clip (earlier in the thread) where that woman is literally jamming an Elmer's glue covered, damaged, synthetic bristled brush under the separated areas of that poster she is working on, then carelessly wiping the excess Elmer's off with a sponge. If that Elmer's isn't removed completely from the surface while still wet, it will dry as a hazy, milky looking layer on the poster.
I bet it did, too. :P
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;D
And even on a re-watch, I cringe when I watch his bullfighting restore clip (earlier in the thread) where that woman is literally jamming an Elmer's glue covered, damaged, synthetic bristled brush under the separated areas of that poster she is working on, then carelessly wiping the excess Elmer's off with a sponge. If that Elmer's isn't removed completely from the surface while still wet, it will dry as a hazy, milky looking layer on the poster.
I bet it did, too. :P
They just need to leave the business. I do not know who ever taught them how to restore a poster. Maybe CHarlie or Dario could go teach them at Posterfix expense though.
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May the Iron Sheik break his back , fuck his ass and make him humble moron1
Draconian but possibly effective...
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/261391284724
Posterfix.com will Linen Back YOUR original poster and make a video documentary of the process.
You provide us with a vintage original poster of any size up to a 3-sheet size (41 x 79 in) and we will
archivally linen back, restore, neutralize acids, etc. We will also create a 30 minute video, with editing and music and narration,
to go along with the project.
If you wish we can upload the video to you tube and various websites- or not- it's up to you. Below is an example of one of our videos. more can been seen on our "about me" page. All this for $1000
Now that's enticing!
This is actually a pretty good deal.
Think a bit.
Send 'em a worthless, damaged poster.
They attempt a resto and then they videotape their crimes against your poster.
Now, where in hell can you get evidence like this?
You can turn around and sue 'em for a refund, damages, mental cruelty and anguish and all you gotta do is show the judge the friggin' video.
Damn...I think I have a beat-up Hannah and her Sisters daybill lying around this dump somewheres...
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This is actually a pretty good deal.
Think a bit.
Send 'em a worthless, damaged poster.
They attempt a resto and then they videotape their crimes against your poster.
Now, where in hell can you get evidence like this?
You can turn around and sue 'em for a refund, damages, mental cruelty and anguish and all you gotta do is show the judge the friggin' video.
Damn...I think I have a beat-up Hannah and her Sisters daybill lying around this dump somewheres...
YESSIR!!! OMG... it's the perfect evidence!! LOL
cheers cheers
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This is actually a pretty good deal.
Think a bit.
Send 'em a worthless, damaged poster.
They attempt a resto and then they videotape their crimes against your poster.
Now, where in hell can you get evidence like this?
You can turn around and sue 'em for a refund, damages, mental cruelty and anguish and all you gotta do is show the judge the friggin' video.
Damn...I think I have a beat-up Hannah and her Sisters daybill lying around this dump somewheres...
Great thinking Ted. ;D
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Ok, now that I finally have the poster back in my hands I can relate my whole sorry experience at the hands of Posterfix without fear of retribution. I realise I’m not going to get much sympathy for this given the amount of negative feedback there is out there already about this guy but in my defence I did have a few reasons for thinking it might be worth chancing.
The short version is – it went about how you’d expect. If you’ve read any online accounts of people’s experience with Posterfix, in particular Mel’s Goldfinger/ Dr. No debacle, then you’ll know what that means. I really only recount the details here in case anyone else is labouring under the delusion that that was a one off.
Ok, first my reasons for chancing my arm with Posterfix;
1. I did try Dario first only to find out he couldn’t take on French One-Panel posters,
2. I was traveling to the US for 2 weeks, starting and ending my trip in New York so I figured I’d be in a position to drop off and then pick up the linen-backed poster before I left. The poster was in very fine condition so I naturally assumed the process wouldn’t take more than a few days, a week at most.
3. Although the poster was in good condition, it’s not worth much. The linen-backing was just for aesthetics as I intend to get it framed and hang it. Besides, I had a second copy which was in great condition also. If all went south I wasn’t really going to be kicking myself for risking a valuable poster.
4. I had been exploring the possibility of following in the pioneering footsteps of Charlie to try to teach myself linen-backing and thought it’d be a good opportunity to get a look inside a linen-backing set up (albeit an infamously bad one) and see what it involved.
The poster in question was the French One-Panel "Grande" for Island of the Fish People aka Screamers. I just love the art on this one. (http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/LeContinentDesHommesPoissons_zps8840d55e.jpg)
I journeyed out to the Brooklyn Navy Yards on October 5th of last year and met Chris Cloutier. Seems like a perfectly affable individual in person. Nothing to start alarm bells ringing, although he did make a crack about being sued which he was quick to retract when he realised what he’d said.
I was struck that he was working in a pretty small space which was encouraging given my interest re point 4. We chatted a bit and I presented my poster. He remarked that it was in good condition and also mentioned that it had been a slow week so he was glad of the business. However, it quickly became apparent that I shouldn’t expect to get it within two weeks so I resigned myself to having it shipped back to Australia.
He sent me a Paypal invoice which I paid while in his shop, $300 to back and $100 to ship via Fedex to Australia.
Having missed the opportunity to pick it up while in New York, I waited a month and on November 6th sent the following email;
“Hi Chris, How're things? I'm just touching base to see how things are going with the Island of the Fish People backing. Can't wait to see it.”
He wrote back saying, “Hi leslie, I have it ready to back mnext- i was delayed for 3 weeks because we lost the use of water here. but its fixed now. i may be able to ship this posters in about a week, chris”
Waited two weeks and wrote on 24th November, “Hi Chris, Just wanted to see if you've managed to get this one done yet.”
No reply.
Another week and a half, 5th December, “Hi Chris, I haven't had a response to my last email. If you could let me know how things are progressing it'd be appreciated.”
No reply. Left a couple of voicemails and after the busyness of the Christmas period, sent another email on Jan 3rd, “Hi Chris, I haven't had any response to any of my emails and voicemails. Can you please let me know what is going on with this job?”
No reply. Figuring I wasn’t going to get a reply or my poster at this point I enlisted the help of my cousin’s wife who works in a law firm in Manhattan. She called in a favour with one of her colleagues who sent a letter to Chris. I’m not too sure what the contents of the letter were but it was sufficient to be able to get him on the phone with the attorney within a few days. According to the attorney he said he was sorry, that he was having medical problems, that the poster was 80% done and would ship express on Monday 20th January. He also promised he would get in touch with me.
On the 18th January he wrote, “Hello Leslie, work progresses on the posters. should ship early next week.chris cloutier.” Not sure what he meant by the plural here but whatever, I’m sure he copies and pastes it to every client.
20th January comes and goes. On the 1st February I write “Hi Chris, Has this shipped yet?”
He replies “Hi Leslie,the poster ISLAND OF THE FISH PEOPL is ready to ship and will go out Monday via USPS. Can you confirm your shipping address and phone please? Thanks”
Despite having given him all this info when I dropped the poster off in October, I sent it through again. Then silence again.
11th February, “Hi Chris, Do you have a tracking number for this?”
No reply.
21st February, “Seriously Chris, are you sending this or planning to try and steal it and my money? I'll give you 72 hours to send me a tracking number for this package or I'll assume the latter is the case and proceed accordingly. I have been more than reasonable in regard to this matter.”
The next day “Dear Leslie, FED EX INTL ECONOMY Tracking number is 79799453**** being picked up by fed ex today thanks for your patience. Chris”
The tracking number turned out to be valid although I didn’t really believe it until I opened the packing tube today, 4th March. 5 months from drop off to delivery.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/1_zpsc645867a.jpg)
So how was it? Well, if didn't happen to own a few linen backed posters already I might assume this is as good as linen backing gets and resign myself to the flaws. From a few feet back it displays ok but what really bugs me is are the foldlines which are still pretty prominent. They are raised up which I assume is due to lack of burnishing or, y'know, giving a shit. It's pretty frustrating as this is one of the primary reasons for linen backing in the first place. My Blow Out 2F for example is completely smooth to the touch and you can only see the folds when scrutinizing it up close.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/8_zpsb402d2ad.jpg)
Some extra creases have even been introduced along the bottom.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/6_zps6b6a86af.jpg)
Along the upper left hand side, something small was left between canvas and poster. Not sure what exactly but it feels like half a paperclip. Almost tempted to cut it open to find out.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/9_zpscd0d3960.jpg)
In addition there are three thins cuts in the poster now.
These shots show the poster backlit so the cuts are more visible than normal.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/2_zps262afc71.jpg)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/4_zpsc93ae3b8.jpg)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/00ef9c61-56ea-4cc6-885b-0f8f6844e1dc_zps50a16377.jpg)
In addition, some pen marks near the border are still visible. This may be my fault for not requesting they be removed but since they hadn't bled through I just assumed it would be standard practice to sand them off prior to backing. Again, they're more visible when backlit as the comparison here shows.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/5_zpsa62bb310.jpg)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/Linkster2/7_zpsdc053277.jpg)
Finally, and this may just be a limitation of backing large posters, there's a slight indentation which runs the width of the poster. It marks where two sheets of masa paper have been overlaid by about an inch to cover the surface area. But as I say, for all I know rolls of masa don't come large enough to cover a french one sheet. I have an Italian 4F which has the same issue and the description on emovieposter didn't mention it so it may not be considered a flaw at all.
In the end the backing job will be adequate for my purposes. I'll get it framed and if I find the foldlines are still annoying me down the line I'll replace it with my other copy. But it's indoubtedly an amateur job.
In conclusion, believe every negative thing you read about Posterfix. It’s probably all true. How the guy stays in business without changing his or the business name is anyone’s guess. And if you do take a gamble make sure you happen to have a lawyer acquaintance downtown. I have no illusions about how far I’d have gotten without that connection in my back pocket. Anyway, I know we’ve all been warned, but here’s another one to add to the pile.
Random sidebar: Why is it if you type 'F r e n c h G r a n d e' here it automatically self corrects to read 'Thierry hates "F r e n c h G r a n d e"'? (spaces added to stop it doing it this time)
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Did you get the videotaped desecration of your poster?
What a hack this guy is...
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Glad you got your poster back. Sorry it was such a terrible experience.
This guy is the Dean of Ass Clown College. It surprises me no one has had a physical confrontation with him yet (to my knowledge)...
And the whole Thierry hates "French Grande" thingy has to do with the idiosyncrasies of our brie eating host Thierry
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A paper clip has more talent than Cloutier.
Glad you got your poster back. Sorry it was such a terrible experience.
Ditto!
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Did you get the videotaped desecration of your poster?
What a hack this guy is...
Sadly no Ted. I think the confessional option wasn't in place when I handed it over.
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And the whole Thierry hates "Thierry hates "French Grande"" thingy has to do with the idiosyncrasies of our brie eating host Thierry
;D Funny. Is it the posters or the name he hates? French One Panel "Grande" gets by unscathed.
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JEEZ, Leslie... what an ordeal! How doing your poster, during his "slow week" in Oct, turned into this months long torture ride is mind blowing.
Let alone what looks like that vertical fold that is slightly creased over on itself, (it casts a shadow in yur pic) the razor cuts, and that mystery bump, under the linen... :o
What gets me is his lack of any response....until u had to almost take legal action.
Its such a cool looking poster..so Im glad, too, that it did get back to you..finally.
Maybe he did make a video; 8) the imagery is eye grabbing enough that maybe it will be on youtube, soon!
AT least recounting the escapades here will give others food for thought, before they maybe head (or ship) to the Navy yard, in Brooklyn, NY.
And what a GREAT, informative post, too! clap
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Thanks Chris, Matt and Jeff.
What gets me is his lack of any response....until u had to almost take legal action.
I know. My experience maps almost exactly to a few others I found through google searches. It seems to be his entire MO. And yet it can't be a sustainable business model. I think the fact that I live in Australia might have made him assume I couldn't touch him. Hard to know.
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Some years ago, I contemplated trying him, after a little restore ordeal out here in LA. I also had a french 1P --older, lots of white background to the paper. So I called him.. we spoke for a good 45 min on the phone, and he certainly talked the talk. Telling me, among other things, how he had worked and trained doing archival oil paint restorations at museums. :-X
He gave a good spiel, i will say,.. and sounded like he knew what he was talking about. The ONLY reason, i opted not to go with him (and this is before APF or the now known horror stories), was because I did not want to ship this poster 'cross country. I wanted to be able to drop it off and pick it up, when done. So i went with PM out here, at that time.
I can only imagine what might have happened, or not, had i decided to mail it off to "mr posterNONfix."
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I guess you will be using an Australian backer from here on.
The masa paper overlap... thats probably reasonable
Razor cuts... he was probably using your poster as the underlay for cutting out paper fill for someone else's poster
The raised ridge and introduced folds at dumb angles is because he is lazy or not wearing glasses moron1
The paper clip is my guess a clump of cotton threads
Also the fold touch up color is not good...
I think he is old and visually impaired. He probably turned off the mains water supply for three weeks by accident thinking he was tightening a jar of wheat paste
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I think he is old and visually impaired. He probably turned off the mains water supply for three weeks by accident thinking he was tightening a jar of what paste
Or mixing up his latest batch of Pfix....... qip
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Maybe he was angry at you calling it island of the fish people instead of ISLAND OF THE FISHMEN? :) joke. Sorry to hear it's a great poster for a terrific film.
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Theirry Hates Thierry hates "French Grande" because he thinks we should all say 47x63 or one panle or something French, as long as it ain't Grande.
Holiday one time did a funny and aliases Brie to shit, in a moment of vain revenge.
The result of that was that for a few days everytime Thierry's username name came up it was "Eat Shit"
some of us had fun with that as long as it lasted.
I wish Holiday would let us have some fun again
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Yeah, can Holiday now please alias "MoviePosterBid" ?
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Maybe he was angry at you calling it island of the fish people instead of ISLAND OF THE FISHMEN? :) joke. Sorry to hear it's a great poster for a terrific film.
Fair point. Although EMP lists it as Something Waits in the Dark so now I don't know what to call it. Never seen the movie but I suspect it can't live up to the poster so am in no rush to. Then again I heard it features people being turned inside out or something so it might be worth checking out at some point.
Theirry Hates Thierry hates "Thierry hates "French Grande"" because he thinks we should all say 47x63 or one panle or something French, as long as it ain't Grande
Ha! Thanks Rich. That explains it so.
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It's a great film. Really good fun. Even better than the poster.
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Apparently,most customers don't know what good restoration looks like.It's the only way to explain why they're still in business.
Anthony
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Posterfix says in business because of people like me.... saw his shop on "How it's Made" and had no idea he is a hack. Luckily I didn't send him something expensive.
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This is the most recent vid (made in 2 parts) for his "restoration" of an Argentinean OS for Robot Monster. A couple of the horrifying things to look out for. One.. look closely at the original condition of the poster, at :22- :40 secs. You can see the left and right borders were trimmed off but there are NO huge areas of paper loss. Watch how he and the woman that helps him, create these GAPING areas as they do dry tape removal, and then toss pieces of the actual poster, that got torn away, onto the floor! :o
And then to see the "post-tape removal" ravaged poster laying there, prior to it being backed. :'(
And watch, too, as the same woman, is SITTING on the poster, as she is doing some in-painting. Let alone doing some of the work on a previously backed poster, which is underneath. (She's the same woman who was using a brush filled with Elmer's glue on the bullfighting poster).
Images speak louder than words, here.
Part One:
https://www.youtube.com/v/xfOQ7hnuU6g
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/v/mnNfcpaaeRw
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the words ignorant and stupidity don't come close to measuring what dumb f*cks these people are
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I mean.. when i watched how they actually created huge areas of paper loss, that they then poorly re-created, I was floored. Let alone the dry peeling of the tape from the back, (which also created skinned areas, as well).
I can only imagine what the owner of this poster thought, when he/she saw their mostly intact poster, man(woman) handled in this way, in these 2 clips.
JEEZ... eyeroll
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These guys regularly auction off packages for "your 10 linen-backed posters" on ebay to the highest bidder...so most likely the owner of this one has 9 others queued for "fixin" .... :'(
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These guys regularly auction off packages for "your 10 linen-backed posters" on ebay to the highest bidder...so most likely the owner of this one has 9 others queued for "fixin" .... :'(
what a horrible thought :'(
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These guys regularly auction off packages for "your 10 linen-backed posters" on ebay to the highest bidder...so most likely the owner of this one has 9 others queued for "fixin" .... :'(
And they have been offering those ebay "packages" for years, too. :-X
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You would think if people actually cared about their posters they would do a little research before entrusting a restorer with resto work eyeroll
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I like how at the end of the videos he enjoys a fine cup of java after torturing the poster. If this their best foot forward with their A-1 work, imagine what the average work is like. Shivers up my spine, whoa..
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I like how the woman is sitting on the poster. faint2.gif
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I like how the woman is sitting on the poster. faint2.gif
That and her throwing peeled and torn pieces of the original poster onto the floor as she haphazardly peels the tape away and created those GAPING areas of paper loss, where none existed before she got her digits on them, are both worthy of multiple faint2.gif faint2.gif faint2.gif
And maybe a few of these, too. gun1 gun1
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Ah, now this gives me hope. Years of screwing clients over must be finally catching up with him if this email plea is anything to go by. Why he'd still include me on his mailing list though is beyond me;
Dear Posterfix customers,
I hope you are enjoying your summer.
Summer is a traditionally slow period for Posterfix.
This summer is slower than usual. I will probably not take my family on vacation this summer.
This would be a great time for me to linen back one of those poster projects you
have been postponing to do.
Keep in mind that we can linen back more than just posters:
Maps, ligthographs, colotypes, serigraphs, etc.
Linen backing is an archival mounting process which prolongs the longevity of
your fine paper collectible.
I hope you will send us some poster business this summer! i will give you a fabulous price.
I also have an auction on ebay ending today for linen backing (one poster) as well.
Ebay Item: 261522140597
Regards,
Chris Cloutier
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Ah, now this gives me hope. Years of screwing clients over must be finally catching up with him if this email plea is anything to go by. Why he'd still include me on his mailing list though is beyond me;
Dear Posterfix customers,
I hope you are enjoying your summer.
Summer is a traditionally slow period for Posterfix.
This summer is slower than usual. I will probably not take my family on vacation this summer.
This would be a great time for me to linen back one of those poster projects you
have been postponing to do.
Keep in mind that we can linen back more than just posters:
Maps, ligthographs, colotypes, serigraphs, etc.
Linen backing is an archival mounting process which prolongs the longevity of
your fine paper collectible.
I hope you will send us some poster business this summer! i will give you a fabulous price.
I also have an auction on ebay ending today for linen backing (one poster) as well.
Ebay Item: 261522140597
Regards,
Chris Cloutier
Wow.
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I received one of those emails, too... but have never used him. I only ever called him one time, about 8 years ago, to ask some questions (before knowing about his reputation and work).
I might have asked for a quote or something, so that is how he has my email address. :P
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I received one of those emails, too... but have never used him. I only ever called him one time, about 8 years ago, to ask some questions (before knowing about his reputation and work).
I might have asked for a quote or something, so that is how he has my email address. :P
How is it possible that after all these years, he doesnt get any better? I mean dont people get better with age lol?
Or does that only apply to wine? Haha
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He obviously doesn't read this forum.
Maybe if he did, he'd get a clue.
Friggin' dunderhead.
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Not only him, but the cast of characters he has working with him and for him. That older Asian woman, (who might be his mother in law), inflicts literal pain onto any poster she touches. She creates rips and holes where none existed and discards remnants of others.
I would love to know how Cloutier could even post those latest videos, with the pillaging going on. And he wonders why the summer has gotten slow.
Anyone sending him something to work on better be doing a little prayer.gif while their item is away in NY.
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More poster "restoration" of a 1920's circus poster.
Take a careful look at the poster, as the owner, a guy named Chris Berry, is talking about this rare circus poster, with it laying on the table, pre-restored. Note that even tho very brittle and ""breaking" along some horizontal lines (it was kraft backed long ago), the borders and poster are all there. Not the ragged edged, border-less and hole-filled item that CC lifts and lays onto the masa/linen. :'(
And once again, that same woman-- applying Bestine onto areas of the front (maybe to remove tape) and her scattered water color pencils laying on the poster itself. I also like her ironing technique, too. :P
I would love to know what the owner thought of the finished result.
Before watching, I quote Edward Van Sloan, in part, from Frankenstein as a warning: "It may shock you. It might even horrify you. So if any of you feel that you do not care to subject your nerves to such a strain, now is your chance to, uh... Well, we've warned you."
http://www.youtube.com/v/TEBNj8Ey9sk&list=UUXpVx0HP7dOVMnZNOLDIEwA
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It was really interesting hearing the owner talk about the history of the circus, and how rare that piece is, and he sounded pretty stoked to own it.
As you said, Jeff, there certainly appears to be a lot more than necessary of that poster missing, after they removed the Kraft backing and tape. Overall it doesn't look too bad, but a few of the areas that were added, like the nose, yikes.
Good songs for the video. thumbsup.gif
There was a video posted today from Poster Mountain, on their blog, that showed them replacing several areas of a poster, that were missing when they received it. It's really impressive how well they restored it. I'll post the link in another thread.
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Yup.. that reworked nose stands out like a sore thumb, that's for sure. :-X
I wish they had showed how they removed the old kraft paper backing. If it was like the previous video example for the Argentine OS for Robot Monster, he probably had that woman (the "painter") probably do the same "dry peel" method of the old backing, which caused the major paper loss around the borders and into the poster itself. I wonder if those small, original pieces that got torn away, all ended up in the trash can, too. moron1
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I will probably not take my family on vacation this summer.
(http://global3.memecdn.com/oh-thats-so-sad_o_1357931.jpg)
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laugh1
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I also like her ironing technique, too. :P
This actually works well to blend in replacement paper edges. Of course that iron is a bit domestic. Poster Mountain uses an iron too. I picked up a veneer banding iron with a non-stick coating.
What you can do it agitate where the two edges meet and then basically iron them flat...
You can see that he at least used something like holytex between the iron and the paper.
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This actually works well to blend in replacement paper edges. Of course that iron is a bit domestic. Poster Mountain uses an iron too. I picked up a veneer banding iron with a non-stick coating.
What you can do it agitate where the two edges meet and then basically iron them flat...
You can see that he at least used something like holytex between the iron and the paper.
Charlie - keep posting positive observations about Posterfix and you're liable to get banned again! :-*
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Charlie - keep posting positive observations about Posterfix and you're liable to get banned again! :-*
;D
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At this rate there's not going to be a Posterfix to avoid.
"Dear Friends,
Sadly this summer has been miserable for getting new work.
We just need some work to get us thru the slowest month of August.
I need to raise $2000 to pay the summers rent on the shop. and eat!
I am offering Posterfix members this temporary August deal:
I will Linen back any poster for 40% off our normal prices.
(I will be doing all work myself to save $$)
This month only. I only ask that you give us 7 weeks to complete
and that they be in pretty good shape. Tape removal is not charged for.
If the posters need
bleaching, or other special services,we can size up all the problems and come to
an agreement.
In short you would get 3 ONE-SHEETS (27 x 41) backed for $250
6 half sheets (or inserts) for $ 240
I will linen mount and touch up a 3-SHEET (41 x 79") for $185
I will linen mount a 6-sheet for $750. Q-folio for $290.
My goal is to raise about $2000 in business to help us thru a tough summer.
The only way I would take longer than 7 weeks is if the posters
are in really horrible shape.
I would need payment up front thru paypal or check but
you could send the posters whenever you wish.
Please help Posterfix get thru the summer!
Chris Cloutier"
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That's quite sad to read actually.
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That's quite sad to read actually.
Yes it is.
But I'll get over it (and you should too).
When you start feeling sad, just remember him placing that can of paint brushes on top of Robby the Robot.
AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
I'm feeling less and less sad already. wynk
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That's quite sad to read actually.
Yeah maybe if today is opposite day and "sad" really means "hallelujah!". This imbecile should have been out of business a long time ago (and not only because of his terrible restoration skills but really more so because he is a dick - just search his posts on MoPo).
To me the lack of business is a sign that getting the word out about this ripoff 'artist' is actually working. People are finally doing some research and seeing the light. I also assume the lack of repeat business is another major factor...
Happy, happy, joy, joy!
PS (That Posterfix family summer vacation is really looking to be in trouble!)
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That's quite sad to read actually.
Yeah, the humanitarian in me wants to sympathise but keeps getting shouted down by my more principled side which rejoices to see the fundamental laws of the market place upheld. My main question after my experience was "How does this the guy stay in business without changing his or the business name?" And apparently, he doesn't.
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Given the history of restorers that are 'in trouble,' I'm not sure turning over some posters to somebody who probably won't be able to pay the rent during the month you're supposed to get them back is a very compelling sales pitch.
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Given the history of restorers that are 'in trouble,' I'm not sure turning over some posters to somebody who probably won't be able to pay the rent during the month you're supposed to get them back is a very compelling sales pitch.
Very astute observation Peter
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Given the history of restorers that are 'in trouble,' I'm not sure turning over some posters to somebody who probably won't be able to pay the rent during the month you're supposed to get them back is a very compelling sales pitch.
yeah, could end up like Eugene where your posters are sold
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I wouldnt be surprised if his youtube videos havent actually done more harm than good for his business. Even if one knows little about how the backing process works, his lack of detail (as well as the woman that works for him), should make anyone think twice before using them.
Between the use of Elmer's Glue and their destroying and discarding parts of a poster, during tape removal from the back, (and tossing them on the floor), I would think most would turn tail and run. gun2
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More "good" reading on why to stay away... Doh.gif
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/brooklyn-ny/TJ0HSC7ORJROIKDIP
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Uff.... :-\
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one guy's perfect Chris story
Leslie
Melbourne, Australia
#6 Mar 3, 2014
I journeyed out to the Brooklyn Navy Yards on October 5th of last year and met Chris Cloutier.
We chatted a bit and I presented my poster. He remarked that it was in good condition and also mentioned that it had been a slow week so he was glad of the business.
He sent me a Paypal invoice which I paid while in his shop,$300 to back and $100 to ship via Fedex to Australia.
I waited a month and on November 6th sent the following email;
"Hi Chris, How're things? I'm just touching base to see how things are going with the Island of the Fish People backing. Can't wait to see it."
He wrote back saying, "Hi leslie, I have it ready to back mnext- i was delayed for 3 weeks because we lost the use of water here. but its fixed now. i may be able to ship this posters in about a week, chris"
Waited two weeks and wrote on 24th November, "Hi Chris, Just wanted to see if you've managed to get this one done yet."
No reply.
Another week and a half, 5th December, "Hi Chris, I haven't had a response to my last email. If you could let me know how things are progressing it'd be appreciated."
No reply. Left a couple of voicemails and after the busyness of the Christmas period, sent another email on Jan 3rd, "Hi Chris, I haven't had any response to any of my emails and voicemails. Can you please let me know what is going on with this job?"
No reply. Figuring I wasn't going to get a reply or my poster at this point I enlisted the help of my cousin's wife who works in a law firm in Manhattan.One of her colleagues sent a letter to Chris. I'm not too sure what the contents of the letter were but it was sufficient to be able to get him on the phone with the attorney within a few days. According to the attorney he said he was sorry, that he was having medical problems, that the poster was 80% done and would ship express on Monday 20th January. He also promised he would get in touch with me.
On the 18th January he wrote, "Hello Leslie, work progresses on the posters. should ship early next week.chris cloutier."
20th January comes and goes. On the 1st February I write "Hi Chris, Has this shipped yet?"
He replies "Hi Leslie,the poster ISLAND OF THE FISH PEOPL is ready to ship and will go out Monday via USPS. Can you confirm your shipping address and phone please? Thanks"
Despite having given him all this info when I dropped the poster off in October, I sent it through again. Then silence again.
11th February, "Hi Chris, Do you have a tracking number for this?"
No reply.
21st February, "Seriously Chris, are you sending this or planning to try and steal it and my money? I'll give you 72 hours to send me a tracking number for this package or I'll assume the latter is the case and proceed accordingly. I have been more than reasonable in regard to this matter."
The next day "Dear Leslie, FED EX INTL ECONOMY Tracking number is 79799453**** being picked up by fed ex today thanks for your patience. Chris"
The tracking number turned out to be valid although I didn't really believe it until I opened the packing tube today, 4th March. 5 months from drop off to delivery.
So how was it? Well, if I didn't happen to own a few linen backed posters already I might assume this is as good as linen backing gets and resign myself to the flaws. From a few feet back it displays ok but what really bugs me is are the vertical foldlines which are still pretty prominent. They are raised up which I assume is due to lack of burnishing. It's pretty frustrating as this is one of the primary reasons for linen backing in the first place.
Some extra creases have even been introduced along the bottom.
Along the upper left hand side, something small was left between canvas and poster. Not sure what exactly but it feels like half a paperclip. Almost tempted to cut it open to find out.
In addition there are three thins cuts in the poster now.
How the guy stays in business without changing his or the business name is anyone's guess.
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More "good" reading on why to stay away... Doh.gif
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/brooklyn-ny/TJ0HSC7ORJROIKDIP
Scary to think that his past actions could honestly lead one to believe that the "Chris Cloutier" posting on there is actually him!
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Scary to think that his past actions could honestly lead one to believe that the "Chris Cloutier" posting on there is actually him!
it isn't, but yeah
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Island if the FISHMEN. No wonder he got treated like shit. ;)
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Here is his latest, oh how I wish he would just close his doors.
"Dear Friends of Posterfix,
Posterfix needs your help to stay in business!
As my son Zach nears the age of 7, he reminds me of myself at that age, but without the glasses, and with a better head for Math.
Hopefully he will be a greater human being than his Dad. At age 6 he already does multiplication tables by heart!
Posterfix needs YOU to send us some posters to linen back for you! If you send 3 "one-sheet" posters we will have them linen backed
and retouched for the price of $89 per poster. So $267 for the 3 posters. This includes all restoration services except bleaching and large paper fills or removing tape.
If your posters need more work, I would discuss options with you, but still give you a "killer price"!
you can have 6 "half-sheets" done for that price of $267 as well.
other specials include linen backing a 6-sheet for $599 (usually $950), 4 sheet for $350 and a US 3 sheet for $275.
As always, our customers get better prices with quantity. If uyou have lots of posters with stains that need bleaching or tape to remove, etc,
let us know and we will work out a volume rate.
I have an great auction on ebay right now for linen backing 10 posters.
If you bid and win, I will do another 2 posters for free making it a total of 12 posters, all inclusive.
Please send us some business! Thanks very much.
Chris Cloutier"
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I just received this email, too (somehow). Not sure why, since I've never used him. dontknow.gif
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I just received this email, too (somehow). Not sure why, since I've never used him. dontknow.gif
Probably stole your e-mail address from MoPo Jeff?
Anyways - who's gonna be the first to send off not 1, not 2, not 10 but 12 (?!) of their most prized posters? eyeroll
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Probably stole your e-mail address from MoPo Jeff?
Anyways - who's gonna be the first to send off not 1, not 2, not 10 but 12 (?!) of their most prized posters? eyeroll
Yup..that makes total sense, Chris.
And I guess his youtube videos still aren't having the desired effect to bring in biz. sad.gif
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Hey guys,
Idk if you know but I have done some "restoration" work back in the day, I will give you a great price.
Here is an excellent example of what I have done. Look at the detailed work....amazing right LOL?
(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q589/hotland4sale/artfail_zps916c29d3.jpg)
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Hey guys,
Idk if you know but I have done some "restoration" work back in the day, I will give you a great price.
Here is an excellent example of what I have done. Look at the detailed work....amazing right LOL?
(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q589/hotland4sale/artfail_zps916c29d3.jpg)
Transcendental!
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Hey guys,
Idk if you know but I have done some "restoration" work back in the day, I will give you a great price.
Here is an excellent example of what I have done. Look at the detailed work....amazing right LOL?
(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q589/hotland4sale/artfail_zps916c29d3.jpg)
Im.... speechless.......
Your work is beyond words! But at least you got the eyes and fur hat to match.
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Hey guys,
Idk if you know but I have done some "restoration" work back in the day, I will give you a great price.
Here is an excellent example of what I have done. Look at the detailed work....amazing right LOL?
(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q589/hotland4sale/artfail_zps916c29d3.jpg)
Hmm that lady revealed the secret though.....Jesus is holding a rolled up one sheet. I think he sent it off to Posterfix and is still waiting for it to be done, hence the reason why he hasnt come back yet. eyeroll
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I thought that was his arm. It's the same color as his face. notworthy.gif
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Hmm that lady revealed the secret though.....Jesus is holding a rolled up one sheet. I think he sent it off to Posterfix and is still waiting for it to be done, hence the reason why he hasnt come back yet. eyeroll
HAHAHAHA faint2.gif
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Hmm that lady revealed the secret though.....Jesus is holding a rolled up one sheet. I think he sent it off to Posterfix and is still waiting for it to be done, hence the reason why he hasnt come back yet. eyeroll
rofl1
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The latest poster to be entrusted to Posterfix from a collector who did not heed the warning Doh.gif - a 3sh for FORBIDDEN PLANET!. This video is only part I. The assessment stage.
Listen as he comments that the shipping company charged the owner of this poster $400.00 to mail it from CA to NY. That would be due to added insurance, Im assuming? Yowza! faint2.gif
https://www.youtube.com/v/ostwUJbQoC0
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As I said in my introduction post, I really wish I found this forum earlier. I had two posters linen backed by PF. My first poster done by PF took 6-8 months to get back. Chris would keep telling me that it was almost done and that it would be ready soon till finally he rarely got back to me. Finally I got ahold of him on the phone and told me that I was going to stop by. That's when he told me that he'll get it finished and ready for me within the next few days.
As some of you have stated, the only reason I used him was because he was somewhat local and I didn't know any better. The poster came out somewhat okay. I used him again because I figured I had nowhere else to turn to. I was going to use him a third time until I found this forum/thread. So, thank you to all of you who have voiced your opinion of PF. I will look into get my posters done somewhere else.
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May I ask what his ebay seller ID I should avoid?
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May I ask what his ebay seller ID I should avoid?
Assuming you are looking for PosterFix's ID-
PosterFix.com Ebay User ID (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=10&pub=5574860769&toolid=10001&campid=5337388159&customid=&icep_uq=&icep_sellerId=posterfix.com&icep_ex_kw=&icep_sortBy=12&icep_catId=&icep_minPrice=&icep_maxPrice=&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg)
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As I said in my introduction post, I really wish I found this forum earlier. I had two posters linen backed by PF. My first poster done by PF took 6-8 months to get back. Chris would keep telling me that it was almost done and that it would be ready soon till finally he rarely got back to me. Finally I got ahold of him on the phone and told me that I was going to stop by. That's when he told me that he'll get it finished and ready for me within the next few days.
As some of you have stated, the only reason I used him was because he was somewhat local and I didn't know any better. The poster came out somewhat okay. I used him again because I figured I had nowhere else to turn to. I was going to use him a third time until I found this forum/thread. So, thank you to all of you who have voiced your opinion of PF. I will look into get my posters done somewhere else.
Sounds like quite the ordeal, structure.
Do you happen to have pics of the 2 posters that Pfix worked on of yours?
Or maybe your posters were "lucky enough" to have been used in one of his restoration youtube videos? (Insert jest emoticon here). ;D
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someone forwarded this to me today
I guess some people are never able to figure it out:
Dear Posterfix members!
We are aiming to raise $1500 by monday to cover our shops rent and expences.
The deadline was last week, but the snow storm helped delay the deadlines.
Please send us some posters to linen back!
Payment thru paypal is appreciated.
Email me sizes and condition and I will work out a good deal for you.
When shipping posters remember we prefer you use FEDE EX or UPS if possible. USPS is ok too.
Pack your poster well so that it is secure and include all your contact info for return shipping.
ship posters to
Posterfix
Brooklyn Navy Yard Building 5 suite 210
63 Flushing avenue unit 249
Brooklyn NY 11205
We need to raise $1500 by Monday!
Your business is very important to us.
Thank you!
Chris Cloutier
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I wouldn't be sending anyone my posters, and money in advance to somewhere that sounds like it is about to go out of business. Strange way to pitch for business.
Anyway, we know he has been saying this for years. Shame any empathy is not shown in return by PF to the screwed customers by all accounts.
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I wouldn't be sending anyone my posters, and money in advance to somewhere that sounds like it is about to go out of business. Strange way to pitch for business.
Anyway, we know he has been saying this for years. Shame any empathy is not shown in return by PF to the screwed customers by all accounts.
Maybe if he hooked up with Debi Jacobson, things might turn around for him. :-X
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I wouldn't be sending anyone my posters, and money in advance to somewhere that sounds like it is about to go out of business. Strange way to pitch for business.
Anyway, we know he has been saying this for years. Shame any empathy is not shown in return by PF to the screwed customers by all accounts.
Yeah, it sounds like Cloutier wants to give your posters to his landlord in lieu of a rent payment.
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Now we have to worry when he resurfaces.
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Now we have to worry when he resurfaces.
Yup.
And probably under a new name.
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Linenhacker.com
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laugh1
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hey, I agree with Ted on something
I wonder if Chris wants this thread deleted?
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At 6.18s, painful to watch !!
https://www.youtube.com/v/fdnptzgw2jM
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That moment is truly cringing.. Cloutier basically causing a new 6-8" fold split when he unfolded that section.
Or at 3;45, where the helper says that the masa paper "is bending" because it sounds like it was cut unevenly.
Amatuer hour at its finest. eyeroll
Tho maybe his wife or mother in law stepped in at one point (scene unseen), with her paint brush and bottle of Elmer's glue, to repair said tear.
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Jeez!
Fucking horrendous.
Couldn't watch any of the rest.
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Why would they even post this video?
All it can do is cause people not to want to use them.
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In the first two mins only:
- opening the video with what looks like peoples posters on a frame either about to topple over or get run over by a trolley
- At 0:21 depressing music with the guy stirring paste on the floor like a dog in a corner.
- At 1:40 Chris instructs assistant how to place the massa paper on the canvas. It sounds like the assistant never done it before
- yea, causes big tear at 6:19
- Ah 7:30 discusses trimming the poster edge because it looks like it wont fit in the frame dry. As the poster will expand when rolled wet he'd have to trim more. Sounds like the linen will be to the poster edge rather than some extra for protection when rolled.
- from 8:30 he's pasting the back of the poster but the video doesn't show how he turns the poster over (ususally via a plastic film underneath). I bet he turns it by lifting that dry poster underneath it that he is pasting the front of.
- yeah he has trimmed the left and right sides of the poster to fit the frame see untrimmed version here (https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/adventure/spartacus-universal-international-1960-/a/613-29146.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515)
- he describes this poster as a US 6 sheet. It is a 2 panel French (see link above) bahahahaha
- what the... is that distorted yellow frame at 15:40
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In the first two mins only:
- opening the video with what looks like peoples posters on a frame either about to topple over or get run over by a trolley
- At 0:21 depressing music with the guy stirring paste on the floor like a dog in a corner.
- At 1:40 Chris instructs assistant how to place the massa paper on the canvas. It sounds like the assistant never done it before
- yea, causes big tear at 6:19
- Ah 7:30 discusses trimming the poster edge because it looks like it wont fit in the frame dry. As the poster will expand when rolled wet he'd have to trim more. Sounds like the linen will be to the poster edge rather than some extra for protection when rolled.
- from 8:30 he's pasting the back of the poster but the video doesn't show how he turns the poster over (ususally via a plastic film underneath). I bet he turns it by lifting that dry poster underneath it that he is pasting the front of.
- yeah he has trimmed the left and right sides of the poster to fit the frame see untrimmed version here (https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/adventure/spartacus-universal-international-1960-/a/613-29146.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515)
- he describes this poster as a US 6 sheet. It is a 2 panel French (see link above) bahahahaha
- what the... is that distorted yellow frame at 15:40
Thanks for that !! Indeed, I noticed the discrepancies in poster description.
I watched the video without sound so I noticed there were something wrong and I had no idea this guy is literally saying he is gonna trim the poster.
Utterly shocking, even it is a $120 poster!! The distorted yellow frame is to highlight the foolinesh of circus I guess. Yep, a little cleaning on a mylar sheet to clean the dirt in foldlines (often seen in French posters) and proper pasting using mylar would have been better but he was paid cheap, isn't ?
a) Wait, this guy has been doing this for so many years and he is doing poster-kiddie mistake. How comes
b) How much do you think he was paid to do this job ? $150 ?
c) Let's find the opposite, is there a video showing a 100% neat proper linenbacking ? Plz share
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Why would they even post this video?
All it can do is cause people not to want to use them.
He's his own worst enemy, when it comes to these self-promotion videos.
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Yet another... (working on 10 Hitchcock posters)
Watch @ 2;15, at which point, while Cloutier is speaking and rolling on the wheat paste, he literally tears the poster while rolling on the glue -- and also comments on it, without a seeming care that he just damaged someone's poster.
And then again, at 12;35, where he shows that he cut out of a poster, a 1" x 8" piece, because there was some tape on the back. So he made a scan of that piece and replaced that cut out area with the piece he ran off on his laser printer. Doh.gif
https://www.youtube.com/v/WbGVDUeAoRg
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And one last, where (i think his wife), aka "Mrs Elmer's Glue," slops paint onto the upper left and right corners of an Allman Brothers concert poster from the 1970s. Look at the end result -- the corner retouches and recreations don't match all that well, either. They look like badly painted corners on what is a photographic image.
https://www.youtube.com/v/I01zX_3s0CQ
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And the tour de force.
Cloutier's wife (Ms Elmers) literally slopping paint over this entire poster. And listen to the dialog near the beginning, when she's painting the border and the color isnt quite right. Cloutier comments to the effect of (@1;26), "...dont worry about being perfect, you're going to give it TWO coats, anyhow...." She then adds more white to the green shade she was applying and continues.
And look at the closeup paint and pencil work being done to the hair and hairline of the woman on the poster, starting at 3;00, and then jump to 4;32, if wanted.
Huge sections of this poster were literally covered in paint, along with poor retouching.
https://www.youtube.com/v/IYF9605tmXY
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someone came to my office to pick up auction wins last week and was about to send them stuff for restor.
saved him
success..one.person.at.a.time.......
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someone came to my office to pick up auction wins last week and was about to send them stuff for restor.
saved him
success..one.person.at.a.time.......
Bravo, Rich.
Saving one at a time (legitimately) is the way to do it.
Good on you!!
That buyer/collector will be ahead of the game in the long run, with advice from genuine, dedicated dealers such as yourself. On any topic, including restoration.
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Good on you!!
That buyer/collector will be ahead of the game in the long run, with advice from genuine, dedicated dealers such as yourself. On any topic, including restoration.
thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif I agree with Jeff. Well done ol' chap!
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One could always post this thread as a comment below his videos but that may seem a bit too below the belt. But, if the interest of other poster collectors is indeed the case, might be the only way to provide balance to his self promotion.
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I wondered, when looking at some of his other recent videos yesterday, if Cloutier would reply to comments/criticism or observations made in his videos (like when he tore the one with the wheat paste roller), on youtube itself. Or maybe he'd just ignore them.
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thanks fellas
the had seen the videos and thought he looked good. I explained real methods and he was glad I did.
I should note, I realzie it wasn't a customer coming to make a pickup, but a Fed-x driver making a delivery. I saw him drive up so I went outseide to get the package. My door is blacked out (purposely) and he asked "what do you do in there?". I said "I sell vintage movie posters" and he perked up and asked me back "you mean like one sheets and stuff?"
"I sure do, come on in....."
new customer!
his next delivery may have been a little late
;D
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How much do you think he was paid to do the Spartacus job ?
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How much do you think he was paid to do the Spartacus job ?
if he was paid bus fare uptown, it was too much
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Guy is a total train wreck. Can barely manage himself and his private life, not sure why anyone would send him a poster. 5 minutes on google is worth it, not sure why people don't research something like this especially with valuable posters. They do with kitchen countertops, a new roof, etc etc
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Just in case you thought you'd seen it all with Pfix.
Here he is linen backing...... an original Japanese Imperial flag from WWII
Why would you linen back a flag, at all?? Let alone the fact that one side will be forever hidden? Doh.gif faint2.gif jawdrop uhno
And notice how he describes his concern about removing some stains from the flag, prior to backing as he's concerned the INKS used on the flag may run. Last I checked, fabrics were (and are) typically colored with dyes.
https://www.youtube.com/v/AV4tmULmyBY
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Well, to be fair to Posterfix, if their client asked them to linen back a flag, who are Posterfix to say no. We don't know whether there was any discussion between PF and client to suggest otherwise.
And as for not seeing one side of it, I understand people frame flags. Be the frames sealed or otherwise.
But, it is quite curious that there was no desire to clean the flag up and fill in post linen backing. Otherwise, one just sees the pristine white of the linen behind the flag and through the holes...
Dunno.
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He would linen back his mother if she was still around to try to preserve her
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Got it.
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He would linen back his mother if she was still around to try to preserve her
So true, Steve.
And even if the flag owner had wanted it linen backed and saturated with wheat paste, Pfix should know enough to have told the owner that one doesnt linen back an item like this. You don't glue a flag to some linen and tell anyone that is the proper way to preserve or conserve an item like this.
Even if this is one item Cloutier didnt make $$ on, at least this piece of WWII memorabilia would have been handled properly.
The good thing is, (& unlike a poster), the owner could opt to have it removed, the wheat paste washed out of it, and also have the stains/watermarks dealt with.
Then placed into a display case or sleeve of some kind.
So it's not a total lost cause. whew.gif
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Watch the botch job on 2 posters here, let alone the incredible amount of damage that Cloutier's "poster helper" does to the UK quad for Spectre.
And listen at about 11;38 what mixture of adhesives that Cloutier suggests they use to assure adhesion. It'll make you eyeroll
One of the best videos to watch for those that ever even considered using this guy. This vid screams, "STAY AWAY!"
And his attitude and comments at the end of the vid about the damage caused is nonchalant. Like creating damage is all in a day's work for him.
https://www.youtube.com/v/2cnbq_AjpAs
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OMG!! That asshat ruined the SPECTRE quad! At 15:15 he ruins the credits by scuffing it with the roller, removing the print with it. I like the way he treats the unrestored poster beforehand, by casually rolling and unrolling it; if it gets a few more dings because he can't be careful with it, oh well, it's gonna be linenbacked anyway! And what he was trying to do with the FRWL is fairly disturbing. Incompetent idiot. :o :-\ moron1
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And you gotta love the way his so-called "poster helper" is picking away at the glue residue from a snipe or some other sticker that was there, with his fingernail!
Let alone that he was suggesting using a mixture of wheat paste and ELMER'S GLUE to use on the quad to make sure that it adhered properly.
Both posters were more damaged due to rough handling than before they arrived.
How he thinks these kinds of vids get people to actually send him stuff to work on is beyond me. (But people do!!) Doh.gif
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The public at large has no clue whatsoever how restoration is done, let alone how to do it properly. So if you don't know the right methods in the first place, then watching this with an uninformed eye would convince you "yes, I guess this is how it's done". But WE know better, don't we Mr. Posterfix, who will never touch one of my posters??
What he was doing with the FRWL poster almost made me click it off. He tries to remove the pasted over title, which is a gummed snipe, and in doing so tears the paper down to the border?? He leaves a white border around the snipe because the ink if coming off along with the adhesive. Hey Chris, guess what! If you peel the entire snipe off, the title printed on the poster comes off too! Is this what the customer wanted? And how are you going to fix the credits you fucked up on the Spectre quad?? Incompetent idiot!
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Or how about the great move where "helper" not only didnt see the scotch tape on the poster prior to backing it, but, instead of using lighter fluid or Bestine to remove it, cuts & PEELS it off, ("skinning" was the word they both used) removing part of the printed, ink layer!! faint2.gif
And the Bond poster with the snipe was actually a recycled, Film Festival poster that had been created for Thunderball originally.
Someone not only added the snipe later on, (the theater maybe?) but also blacked out the "Film Festival" line, in yellow text, at the top of the poster. If you watch the vid carefully, you can make out the black "ink bar" that covers over this wording.
Here is a pic of one of these festival posters, "unsniped" and with the wording not blacked out:
(https://i.imgur.com/zG0aStx.jpg)
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Eric, a little bit of history. This is a kind of variation of the Viva James Bond reissue campaign in 1970. UA simply printed up the poster with the printed title "Thunderball" on it. If you wanted to run any of the other Connery Bonds or, I'm assuming OHMSS, they sent you a gummed snipe to paste over the printed title. I don't know if UA also supplied the black stripe to cover the "Film Festival" part of the poster, but they could have. I have a "You Only Live Twice" version of this poster and the problem is the adhesive used on the snipe is like a giant piece of scotch tape. The glue is still active and will eventually soak into the paper. I haven't tried to peel off the snipe but I am guessing the glue is like iron and would cause mucho problems in trying to remove it. These 1-sheets are not all that rare or expensive so I don't understand why someone would want it linenbacked with the snipe on it, but to each his own, I guess. The white Roger Moore version is also part of this campaign. The 1-sheet has "Live And Let Die" printed on it but I don't know if a snipe with "Man With The Golden Gun" was ever made or used for it. If it was I personally have never seen it.
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Thanks for the info, cabmangray.
So in one sense, this poster was most offered like a kind of stock poster, if other snipes were sometimes included, in order to change and/or promote another Bond title that was being screened.
Even if not that rare a poster, the fact that it was torn and mishandled by Cloutier and his so-called helper, who both do the most careless and shoddiest of work, is no deserved. Were I the owner of either of the posters shown in that clip, I would have demanded not only my money back, but that he replace BOTH posters.
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Right. I guess UA learned from the Viva campaign where they printed up blank stock posters and the theatres simply wrote whatever film they were showing in the blank part of the poster and it usually looked rather sloppy. France was the only country to make the posters look nice by professionally printing the titles on the films in the space. The black 1-sheets do look better with the professionally printed snipes; at least the original logos were used. Also the 1-sheets were the only posters made for them; no inserts, 22x28's, lobby cards or anything else. A press sheet or ad mats were made for it but are hard as hell to track down. Bruce has had it at least once, as did "moviegoods" (remember them?)
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Kind of a cool and economical way to later take a film festival poster, put it thru the "stock turn style" with a new, added snipe put over the original title and then re-use it for later, various Bond film screenings.
A good idea, too, since the poster, overall, looks much better than what one usually thinks about, when a typical 'stock poster' has been issued, with just a large blank space where the theater owner could stamp in the name of the next flick that was coming down the pike.
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Why on Earth does this guy think that demonstrating the damage he perpetrates on all his posters is good marketing.
He is an absolute clown.
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Why on Earth does this guy think that demonstrating the damage he perpetrates on all his posters is good marketing.
He is an absolute clown.
Hey Simon,
I wrote him an email once, not too long ago, asking about this aspect (but in a more diplomatic kind of way).
He wrote back, saying that he had shot many vids of posters that they had worked on, that had been horribly damaged because of their terrible work and carelessness but that he couldnt bring himself to post "those mishaps" (his words, not mine).
So many of his clips show rough handling, added tears, torn pieces, added splits on fold lines, let alone the horrible touch up work that his so-called artist-wife performs. It's like driving by a fender bender on the road. We dont wanna look, but we cant help it. Curiosity gets the best of us... sad.gif
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The title of that Bond video, alone, speaks volumes.
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The title of that Bond video, alone, speaks volumes.
True... I guess even Cloutier couldnt hide the fact that they had messed up BIG TIME in this one.
But that he eve chose to post it, is the other head scratcher.
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He's thinking of changing the name of his website to "pooper-scoopers.com" :P
...or "shittyposterwork.com"
....or "i-fuck up-posters.com"
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Am afraid I have responded to his video. So utterly appalled by his efforts, it couldn't stay any longer uncommented upon.
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payMeUpFrontSoICanPayMyShopRentAndNotGetEvic ted.com
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Am afraid I have responded to his video. So utterly appalled by his efforts, it couldn't stay any longer uncommented upon.
Did you comment on the actual video-youtube page? Or send him a PM?
I only see 2 comments under the vid on youtube, and neither one reads like they are from you, Simon.
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Oh.
Have just visited the page and I see my comment. In totality;
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Simon Firth
I am not sure if this is marketing or just a demonstration of complete incompetence. Why would one show the destruction of that which one is trying to restore? Beyond me. https://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1624.0.html
Simon Firth
XxironarrowxX2 days ago
So problem children come along from time to time for the experts at Posterfix?
You both did the best that could have been done considering the curveballs (we call them Yorkers in Oz) thrown up to you.
I’m linen backing a “Ran” Thierry hates "French Grande" poster soon, that has tape right along the top and bottom folded over onto the back for some reason. After seeing what tape does in this video I’ll be cutting it off as I can’t remove it.
Thanks for the education again for us amateurs and any Bond poster is a good one!
Rodney from Oz
Maharlika Sofranes
I hope we'll see the end results.
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Weird...
I just logged onto the youtube video link again, and I don't see your comment.
But I see the other 2 comments that you quoted.
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I see there are 3 comments, but only 2 show up. Can he block negative comments from appearing?
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I see there are 3 comments, but only 2 show up. Can he block negative comments from appearing?
Maybe so?
I just looked again, and Simes' comment is still not showing (for me, anyhow).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cnbq_AjpAs&t=2s
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Yet another "painful" restoration project to watch, with mis-matched touch up paint slopped on, all over the place. :-\
https://www.youtube.com/v/ISkhJELBArw
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Looks like Posterfix / Cloutier is no longer going to be allowing comments on their "restoration" videos. The 2 most recent uploads have the comments option disabled.
I wonder why? whistle.gif
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Well, it seems we may be seeing different things. I have just left a further comment on the recent video...
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Well, it seems we may be seeing different things. I have just left a further comment on the recent video...
Interesting, and odd. Here's a screen grab from the most current vid that Cloutier uploaded. One for an Italian poster for What's Eating Gilbert Grape.
This is what I see: It shows zero comments and also that the abiliy to leave comments has been disabled for this video.
Is this the same vid you left a comment for, Simon?
(https://i.imgur.com/XEYYgAp.png)
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Yep, same here. The comments have been disabled. Maybe this forum is finally getting to him? He's tired of being called out on his shoddy work and is trying to save what little business is coming to him? Schtick drek schtunk!
Maybe only Simon can see the comments because he left a comment and that option is open to him?
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The last link you left for this one, SOME LIKE IT HOT French Poster 1959
I see two comments, one from Australia and the other from the UK (me).
Maybe he can only disable for the US...??
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Hmmm. That's possible. He's over here in the US so I doubt he gets many orders from outside the US, if any at all. It might not matter to him what someone outside the US says about his work. Even though it should!
This speaks volumes about his work ethic and his lack of honesty about it. I pity the poor soul who might send him a really high value poster for restoration.
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I can also see the comments for the French SOME LIKE IT HOT poster. The clips I was referring to were the very last 2 (most recent) to be uploaded - the one with an autographed Ramones poster and then, the Italian Gilbert Grape poster.
Both of these uploads have comments disabled (at least as far as what I see).
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This clip has got to take the cake in pure, poster destruction.
Listen as Cloutier describes this window card as a "poster that must be removed from its cardboard backing, in order to save it."
He has his wife (who normally is the one to slop on mis-matched paint to backed posters and also likes to use Elmer's Glue in her restoration work), literally pick and peel the printed paper layer off the original cardstock backing, even though it was produced this way. What remains after she is done, are some raggedy pieces (and probably many small ones that she threw in the trash, like other videos of his have shown her to do).
The final restoration and added paint never even addresses or restores the bottom border, either.
Aside from the horrendous work, how could he NOT know that this was a theatrical window card? A quick search would have shown him it was for the 1952 movie, Chained For Life https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043397/
Flabbergasting, to say the least! faint2.gif Doh.gif
(Ability to leave comments is disabled on this vid, too).
https://www.youtube.com/v/3L8LyZV3IXo
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Yup, even on this occasion, I am seeing comments disabled.
Anyway, I can't watch any more of this stuff. I will stay away from vids and thread.
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To me it seemed as if he described the poster correctly (even had the title imposed on the video early on), even though at times the size looks to be too large to be a window card, possibly the angle of the video.
But I will say, I can't remember the last time I saw a window card linenbacked instead of being paperbacked as they should be.
I've seen the top layer stripped from the rest of the card before, but never in the way it was done here.
Would love to see one of these painted monstrosities up close
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Hey Sean. I did see that he ID'd the poster title correctly. I guess the hammer pounding by Cloutier's "poster helper" distracted me. headbang.gif
Here's a screen grab abter it was backed, on a large canvas with other posters. The one to the immediate left is a GAME OF THRONES one sheet so that's 27x40, and a visual-size comparison. And if it isnt a WC, then what is it? Any idea?
(https://i.imgur.com/WYe1Yxw.png)
And here's a one sheet from the same flick. Similar wording with the dates etc presented.
(https://i.imgur.com/mKVJ5iH.jpg)
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If that GoT is a one-sheet, then the size definitely looks off. The bottom edge should be about half the length of Game's, but if you take the area that is taped off it is much larger.
It could be a Jumbo Window Card as the height looks right, but it looks a little thin. It looks like the dimensions are around 20"x28". Could just be a local theater custom print.
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If that GoT is a one-sheet, then the size definitely looks off. The bottom edge should be about half the length of Game's, but if you take the area that is taped off it is much larger.
It could be a Jumbo Window Card as the height looks right, but it looks a little thin. It looks like the dimensions are around 20"x28". Could just be a local theater custom print.
Thanks, Sean.
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The more I watch the video's this clown makes, the more irritated I get. If you stop it at 0:53, you can see clearly what the poster looks like before he does his hatchet job on it. The red and yellow background is solid and not terrible. Compare it to what this jamoke glued to the linen and he just make a fucking mess of it! It looks like the entire background is being repainted by his ASSisstant. I like the way the posters are sliced off the large piece of canvas like a butcher would slice a piece of genoa salami off a bigger piece. What the hell do they use, a switchblade? I wonder how many posters they messed up by slicing the poster instead of the canvas? And I must say, his choice of music for this abomination alternates between hysterical and infurating. This dunce has absolutely no business working in the paper restoration field.
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The more I watch the video's this clown makes, the more irritated I get. If you stop it at 0:53, you can see clearly what the poster looks like before he does his hatchet job on it. The red and yellow background is solid and not terrible. Compare it to what this jamoke glued to the linen and he just make a fucking mess of it! It looks like the entire background is being repainted by his ASSisstant. I like the way the posters are sliced off the large piece of canvas like a butcher would slice a piece of genoa salami off a bigger piece. What the hell do they use, a switchblade? I wonder how many posters they messed up by slicing the poster instead of the canvas? And I must say, his choice of music for this abomination alternates between hysterical and infurating. This dunce has absolutely no business working in the paper restoration field.
That so called "poster assistant," (it's also his wife) not only slops on paint but also likes to use Elmer's Glue as part of her "restoration & repair" expertise. This is shown in a video about a bull fighting poster that she attempted to repair, but actually did more damage to.
Small pieces of that poster tore off, while she was "working " on that poster, and rather than save them to re-attach later, she simply tossed them into the trash. All of this is shown on that other video, too. eyeroll
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He changed the title on the Bond video, from "F***ed up James Bond Posters..." to "Challanged James Bond Posters." mesmrized
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If that GoT is a one-sheet, then the size definitely looks off. The bottom edge should be about half the length of Game's, but if you take the area that is taped off it is much larger.
It could be a Jumbo Window Card as the height looks right, but it looks a little thin. It looks like the dimensions are around 20"x28". Could just be a local theater custom print.
Sean, here's the GoT one sheet video, backing it with air pockets underneath and horrible touch ups to the tear at the top. The Chained for Life scrap can also be seen in this video, too, on the same, large piece of framed linen.
https://www.youtube.com/v/z2EXtGWHtzs&t=10s
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Just pitiful
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The latest... and yet more damage done (tears created that did not exist prior to his "work" on 2 posters), one being for the purple/blue style Swedish poster for The Apartment (1960). On this one, he creates a huge tear in the upper right corner area, (seen at 3;44-3;48).
The other he does damage to is on the beautiful, Swedish poster for Five Graves to Cairo (1943), where he tears off the upper right corner, and then patches it back. He pushes the corner back into place, after first flipping the pasted poster over at 6;05, and then @ 6;21, the torn corner is easily seen. Doh.gif Doh.gif
Overall, his rough handling of the posters, at the start of the clip, where he's lifting and holding them with only one hand, isnt doing these posters any great service either. That he can be so nonchalant and cavalier about damage he and his team causes, is mind boggling.
And comments are disabled for this clip, too.
https://www.youtube.com/v/aCMYX9BPX80
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I know I said I wouldn't come to the thread or watch the videos, but like a moth to a flame.
Just lousy workmanship. And yes, that torn corner! Lord, the fact he thinks this stuff is worthy of popping out on to the net is outstandingly misinformed.
I popped a down thumbs on it.
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I know I said I wouldn't come to the thread or watch the videos, but like a moth to a flame.
Just lousy workmanship. And yes, that torn corner! Lord, the fact he thinks this stuff is worthy of popping out on to the net is outstandingly misinformed.
I popped a down thumbs on it.
That same philosophy is exactly why I go and watch his clips, too, Simon. And it's like every time, some new "mishap" happens.
Before the comments were taken down on the recent BOND video, I did see where someone had asked him if the owner was shocked at the damage done to the one poster. Cloutier's reply was that the client had been sending him lots of stuff for many years and knew that "mistakes and other things happen." I pictured that client's collection of Posterfix'd posters looking like the Frankenstein monster, full of scars and bad retouches.
So he obviously has some people that think he does acceptable or even good work, or he wouldnt still be in business.
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Looks like Posterfix has a FB page, where Mssr Cloutier's restoration examples are also advertised. The CHAINED FOR LIFE piece that he did the video on, is shown here, too.
https://www.facebook.com/Posterfix-148823528509317/
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This mass email was sent out this morning by Mssr Cloutier, once again, begging for business to help him keep his doors open. What I loved about this email was his offering of a 25% discount, if you paid by the "friends & family" method. What this method is, is simply sending cash to him and NOT paying for a good or service.
Paying him this way, Paypal wont take their % fee. But it also makes me wonder: if a customer had a problem or issue with his services and paid this way, would there be any recourse, if someone demanded a refund for poor or shoddy work? I'll bet not, as it looks like Cloutier was merely sent money, like one would send money to a family member. There would be no proof of paying for actual services rendered.
With his track record and poor work, I'd think anyone should avoid this offer, lock, stock and barrel. eyeroll
Here's the actual email:
"I am offering great prices this month on Linen Backing.
Please help posterfix meet it's operating expences by purchasing our
services thru paypal. If you pay by the “friends and family” method I will give you a
25% discount to start with.. The more posters for linen backing we get
the better the price.
We are presently selling lots of posters on ebay as well as conservation.
We need your posters to stay in business!
Thanks very much, I look forward to hearing from you.
Chris Cloutier
Posterfix Corp"
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"Friends and family" payment is basically a gift. PayPal would not help with a refund if a buyer requests one. If the buyer paid with a credit or debit card, via PayPal, the credit or debit card company may be able to help.
That's a really sketchy way to offer a discount. A couple times, sellers asked me to send payment that way, so the seller avoided the fees, and I just added the cost of the fee to their total and sent it with the "goods and services" payment. Out of principle, I probably wouldn't do that again, as I don't agree with charging someone more so the seller can avoid the fee that PayPal, etc. charge for the service that they provide.
Some sellers want to get every penny they can from a deal, while others are complete scammers, as they know it's much less likely they'll be held accountable if/when the buyer wants a refund.
The crazy thing, based on my experience, is that PayPal will not help with a refund for shoddy restoration work. I learned that when Jaime Mendez Restorations mangled my poster a couple years ago. They basically said "we can't help you with a refund, because JMR performed the service, and the contract stated you paid them for that service." Despite my before/after photos, and me explaining the situation, PayPal was no help. On another note, I think restoration companies should take their own before/after photos. A few "work in progress" photos would also be nice, but it's easy to see why some companies wouldn't do that, as it would be evidence against them for damages they created with their work.
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Hasn't Cloutier pulled this "oh please help us stay open!" nonsense once before? If his work was on par with Poster Mountain or other restorers who don't fuck up the posters they work on, he wouldn't need to beg for money and / or work. I wouldn't send this dunce the skin off a grape - let him close.
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Hasn't Cloutier pulled this "oh please help us stay open!" nonsense once before? If his work was on par with Poster Mountain or other restorers who don't fuck up the posters they work on, he wouldn't need to beg for money and / or work. I wouldn't send this dunce the skin off a grape - let him close.
Yes, he has sent out a number of those kinds of email in the past, too, with various discounts or offerings, if people would send him stuff to work on.
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All one has to do is watch Cloutier's manhandling technique of unfolding posters with one hand (while he holds his phone with the other tomake the video) to understand the damage, tearing and fold splitting he causes in the process. eyeroll
Even more so, when it comes to French 1P sizes.
https://www.youtube.com/v/SgYweSazxtg
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Since this one had almost no damage it doesn't look too bad. Except for the rip he "fixes" with color pencil that doesn't exactly match. Also notice he doesn't have a close up shot of the fixed tear. Oh, and look! The comments are turned on again! moron1
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Since this one had almost no damage it doesn't look too bad. Except for the rip he "fixes" with color pencil that doesn't exactly match. Also notice he doesn't have a close up shot of the fixed tear. Oh, and look! The comments are turned on again! moron1
I noticed that, too.
But if you look at the 2nd copy of JAIL HOUSE ROCK, once its backed and out in the hall, on the frame, you can easily see a large quarter size area of paper loss in the face (near her) eye. of the actress, that wasnt there when he first roughly unfolded it.
I guess that extra, unimportant "scrap" just ended up in the trash. :-\
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Yet more rough manhandling of a poster that causes a tiny fold split at the top, near the letter T of the title, to tear even more. As well as damage done to the lower left corner of the poster, while "pasting it up."
Then the retouching @ 4;53, to the increased tear that he caused. And the split wasnt even placed totally back together.
He handles this (and so many posters), as if he's handling a bed sheet and shaking it open.
He (and his "restoration team") must truly not care, thinking he's going to be backing it, anyhow, and that i will "fix" his damage. But Cloutier's disregard for and doing damage to other people's property is continually astounding. :-\
https://www.youtube.com/v/fUj9gHpp-YQ
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These 2 (Parts 1 & 2) of Pfix's backing and so called restoration of a French African poster for KINK KONG ('33), are probably some of the BEST examples of damage he and his outfit have done to a poster. (These clips are from 2015)
A couple things.. the poster sent to them had been previously backed with brown kraft paper. So Mssr Cloutier was going to remove that old backing & place it on new linen.
Look carefully at the poster, and how complete it is, when he first unfolds and shows it, compared to what was left, after he is first shown peeling off the old backing with just one hand, causing further damage and tears Let alone the HUGE amount of paper loss, especially near the title area, once it's shown newly backed.
Then his wife begins her part of the destruction, as she does her "job," of paper filling and re-creating/slop-painting all the missing parts that must have been tossed in the trash (since they are seen at the beginning).
These are truly painful to watch. Pure mishandling and poster destruction caught on video -- and from someone who calls himself a restorer, no less. :-\ :o
KONG, Part I:
https://www.youtube.com/v/ICHkn2zNuK0
KONG, Part II:
https://www.youtube.com/v/cX9mCToL0uc&t=179s
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Perhaps Mr and Mrs Cloutier could help bring this poster "back to life?" It needs just a little touch up here and there. 8)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Original-Rolled-1977-Star-Wars-Style-A-One-Sheet-1st-Domestic-Printing/273496309299?hash=item3fada67e33:g:Sb8AAOSwnFpbuN~0
(https://i.imgur.com/9zurUJy.jpg)
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I think this is what it looks like since receiving the poster in good condition to the point of starting restoration
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Holy shit! Cloutier made a mess of that Kong poster! His total ineptitude is astounding! As you can see when he first opens the poster up it's pretty much all there, only it's separated at the folds. A careful linen backing could have made it look great but the hack job he did on it is fucking disgraceful! After removing the paperbacking, a lot of the logo and credits are gone! Also correct me if I'm wrong but isn't inpainting usually done on missingpaper, and not on perfectly fine printed paper? And with colored pencils, not tubes of paint?? The final result looks like a cheap reprint with the colors now too bright and bold. The most distressing part is the positive comments he's received on his "work" (destruction). Granted, I'm assuming the commenters have no idea how it should be properly done, so I can't blame them for thinking this is a great job of restoration. moron1 crying moron1 :o moron1 moron1
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$595.00 for a poor condition rolled first printing STAR WARS 1-sheet, anyone? Yet another seller who knows nothing about the hobby except STAR WARS = big bucks. No hair on Luke's belt, either. eyeroll
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$595.00 for a poor condition rolled first printing STAR WARS 1-sheet, anyone? Yet another seller who knows nothing about the hobby except STAR WARS = big bucks. No hair on Luke's belt, either. eyeroll
But according to the seller, this mangled poster came from the estate of actress Jane Withers. Maybe the seller thought that added, alleged factoid would make this crumpled, torn mess worth almost 600 smackers... laugh1
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Erik1925, how dare you not tell me about this post LOL
Man I cant believe she was painting then smudging with her finger like that, multiple times...wow.
These 2 (Parts 1 & 2) of Pfix's backing and so called restoration of a French African poster for KINK KONG ('33), are probably some of the BEST examples of damage he and his outfit have done to a poster. (These clips are from 2015)
A couple things.. the poster sent to them had been previously backed with brown kraft paper. So Mssr Cloutier was going to remove that old backing & place it on new linen.
Look carefully at the poster, and how complete it is, when he first unfolds and shows it, compared to what was left, after he is first shown peeling off the old backing with just one hand, causing further damage and tears Let alone the HUGE amount of paper loss, especially near the title area, once it's shown newly backed.
Then his wife begins her part of the destruction, as she does her "job," of paper filling and re-creating/slop-painting all the missing parts that must have been tossed in the trash (since they are seen at the beginning).
These are truly painful to watch. Pure mishandling and poster destruction caught on video -- and from someone who calls himself a restorer, no less. :-\ :o
KONG, Part I:
https://www.youtube.com/v/ICHkn2zNuK0
KONG, Part II:
https://www.youtube.com/v/cX9mCToL0uc&t=179s
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Erik1925, how dare you not tell me about this post LOL
Man I cant believe she was painting then smudging with her finger like that, multiple times...wow.
Maybe this is your copy and why you've been afraid to unpack it in all this time...LOLOLOL
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Maybe this is your copy and why you've been afraid to unpack it in all this time...LOLOLOL
LMFAO, you know damn well I sent mine to Mario ha.
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LMFAO, you know damn well I sent mine to Mario ha.
Yessir, I do...lol
Just messin' with ya. imbecile.gif
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Maybe this is the start of Posterfix's Black Friday? Or Black Month? eyeroll
Sounds like cash is greatly needed so he can pay his sloppy, unprofessional team to help destroy more posters from those that are unaware. He even includes a youtube link, showing off more of his half baked, so-called "restoration" work.
As posted to MOPO:
"Dear Posterfix Friends:
The Holiday Season is the time we offer great deals on Linen Backing! We need to raise another $5000 to meet our
urgent operating expenses. Please let me know your restoration needs.
You can ship posters to us or visit us at The Brooklyn Navy Yard!
If you choose to visit us, please make an appointment so I can clear you with BNY security. Otherwise our shipping address
is as follows:
Posterfix Corp
Brooklyn Navy Yard Building 5 suite 210
63 Flushing avenue unit 249
Brooklyn NY 11205
718-230-4085
PLEASE use Fed EX Ground or UPS as they give me the most direct, safe service for your posters.
Here is a link to our latest video showing us Linen backing
a rare poster for the 1984 movie REPO MAN.
https://youtu.be/KR5EbMDYdLU
I look forward to seeing your posters.
Best regards,
Chris Cloutier
President and owner of Posterfix
718-230-4085"
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That is an odd way to advertise, sound like you are about to go into receivership whilst asking people to send in your valuables
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And in the linked video, he talks about that 1/2 subway poster for REPO MAN like its uber rare and super valuable. I see that emp just sold one in Aug 2018, for 43.00:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/14876896.html
On the other hand, the DESTROY ALL MONSTERS US OS looks to sell for much more than REPO:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/DESTROY%2520ALL%2520MONSTERS/tag/nation%253AU.S./tag/xtype%253Aone-sheet/archive.html
And watch (if you must) in that clip how Cloutier's "assistant" is picking with his thumb nail to remove tape from a corner of the other poster for DESTROY ALL MONSTERS (starting @ 1;29). I guess neither he, nor Mssr Cloutier has the funds to go get some bestine or lighter fluid. Im sure that guy skinned or damaged/ripped that poster corner in the process. But the cam cut off to another shot before we see that potential destruction. :-X
Update: The asst DID damage that corner! At 7;13 in the vid, Cloutier is retouching and repainting that same corner. Unreal -- the true lack of care this outfit utilizes.
Or watch the reddish water coming out of the Repo Man poster. Im guessing they never washed the poster and just slopped the wheat paste on the dry poster. UGH!
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Cloutier seems to have a handful of wannabe amateur restorer-followers that do as about as shoddy work as he does... yet they claim to be so-called "amateur experts." Stay away from these hacks, no matter how "Google-intelligent" they sound or try to present themselves. Doh.gif
These literal "cut and pasters" (and there is one who literally cut holes into the border of a poster to remove scattered tape stains) seem to multiplying like rabbits, after watching Cloutier's (and others) youtube vids.
Best to go with the likes of Poster Mountain, 4th Cone, Mario Cueva, Studio C etc etc. thumbsup.gif
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Cloutier seems to have a handful of wannabe amateur restorer-followers that do as about as shoddy work as he does... yet they claim to be so-called "amateur experts." Stay away from these hacks, no matter how "Google-intelligent" they sound or try to present themselves. Doh.gif
These literal "cut and pasters" (and there is one who literally cut holes into the border of a poster to remove scattered tape stains) seem to multiplying like rabbits, after watching Cloutier's (and others) youtube vids.
Best to go with the likes of Poster Mountain, 4th Cone, Mario Cueva, Studio C etc etc. thumbsup.gif
To whom are you referring? Have I missed a new batch of amateur experts?
If you are thinking myself and Mark - we both think this guy is a clown. I also think that the likes of Poster Mountain and such aren’t straight up honest about using wall paper paste vs conservative methods. There was a theory that wheat paste yellows but a very well known restorer conducted a 2 year experiment to prove this false. They do it because it is cost effective and easy. I’ve got a bucket in my poster room and with no planning could slap a poster on in an hour. It would take 24 hours to make it right...
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I would also say that unless you were there in the room with the restorer, you might cut the border cutter some slack (pun intended). I once had a poster where the glue from the tape had hardened so bad and essentially turned the paper into a hard mess. The only way to then back this with a water based adhesive is to remove the adhesive soaked paper... or cut holes in it. Yes solvents were used to attempt to remove it. Sanded it to death but water would still not absorb into the area. This is why sometimes even your preferred restorers have to use PVA - because water based won’t work.
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Literal added manhandling destruction as well as grade school in-painting by "Mrs Posterfix" on this beautiful, 102 yr old, WWI stone litho poster.
Added tears (1;39-1;55) and paper loss (from his roller tearing up and removing a piece @ 4;27-4.31) can be seen as this delicate poster was roughly handled, sloppily linen backed and then painted by Madame Cloutier, who is well known to use Elmer's Glue on previous poster projects. Her sloppy work is again evident here.
I can only imagine that the owner of this piece must have been horrified when he/she received it back and saw it in person. The boat in-painting looks like it was done by a 7 year old. :o
https://www.youtube.com/v/OfcCwPcVrdg
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I recently came across a couple posters on eBay I was interested in. They were linenbacked.
Thankfully (for me), the seller mentioned they had been "professionally restored by PosterFix". Ha!
Once I read that I kept on scrolling. I am glad the seller mentioned it up front though.
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Cloutier seems to have a handful of wannabe amateur restorer-followers that do as about as shoddy work as he does... yet they claim to be so-called "amateur experts." Stay away from these hacks, no matter how "Google-intelligent" they sound or try to present themselves. Doh.gif
These literal "cut and pasters" (and there is one who literally cut holes into the border of a poster to remove scattered tape stains) seem to multiplying like rabbits, after watching Cloutier's (and others) youtube vids.
Best to go with the likes of Poster Mountain, 4th Cone, Mario Cueva, Studio C etc etc. thumbsup.gif
Hey you didn’t respond to my question. Whom are you referring to here? Plus what makes you qualified to even make such a statement? You visited Poster Mountain... eyeroll
Outside Mario the other three places you mentioned are from the same lineage of restorers whom use wallpaper paste... But even Mario uses wallpaper powder mix. He told me himself. If you would do your own googling you could easily find that the majority of our poster restorers are not conservators... Especially the four mentioned - at least as a standard practice. PosterFix is even worse for sure. All in all you guys are making fun of his sloppy in painting or what ever and use of PVA glue but these other guys are just producing better end results with still non conservative methods or at least unstudied conservative methods.
No museum would ever follow the methods of these four listed and of course PosterFix - none of these guys have actual university training in paper conservation. So if you think about it we are all a bunch of amateur experts.
I would stick to the likes of Dario - at least he sticks to nori paste...
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I recently came across a couple posters on eBay I was interested in. They were linenbacked.
Thankfully (for me), the seller mentioned they had been "professionally restored by PosterFix". Ha!
Once I read that I kept on scrolling. I am glad the seller mentioned it up front though.
Smart move, Deke. clap clap
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I recently came across a couple posters on eBay I was interested in. They were linenbacked.
Thankfully (for me), the seller mentioned they had been "professionally restored by PosterFix". Ha!
Once I read that I kept on scrolling. I am glad the seller mentioned it up front though.
A number of years ago, around 2006-07, when researching restorers for a French 1P I have from 1929, I looked up and spoke to Mr PFix, about my poster. He claimed he'd done work for museums etc. But in the end, I didnt go with his outfit (thank god).
I did further research and went with someone here in SoCA. And I was able to drive there and drop it off (and I picked it up, too, when it was finished).
Im sure i would be kicking myself to this day, had I gone with his so-called "museum-quality" restoration work. faint2.gif
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Just in case anyone needed more reasons to never send their poster to him:
https://youtu.be/DjmNZkON-r0 (https://youtu.be/DjmNZkON-r0)
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Just in case anyone needed more reasons to never send their poster to him:
https://youtu.be/DjmNZkON-r0 (https://youtu.be/DjmNZkON-r0)
It all comes together
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I want the 1:17 I made it into that back!
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I like the style of this guy's videos, the restorations though...
At 4:15, the huge tear created on the edge - can really see it at 4:29, along with the huge tear on the opposite edge at the fold line; both clearly not there at the start. The use of pens/markers at 9:26 and 9:37, among other things.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HL1GDZrHZWE
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https://youtu.be/HL1GDZrHZWE
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Yeah, his videos are entertaining. How many restorers would dare filming their restoration work, not too many? In fact, he is the only one. A funny guy though, I engaged with him asking for one info, but specific to linenbacking, and he replied to me in the most secretive way as if I was a newbie, everything he touches is secret and magic :) :) He is cheap so he does cheap job and needs a turnover.
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I know this is a pretty old thread, but I have a poster fix story of my own I can share from back in 2016 when I first began poster collecting. I bought two Day the Earth Stood Still lobby cards that were in terrible condition. They needed a major overhaul. Being ignorant to the hobby, I had seen Posterfix videos so I sent him my lobby cards.
What followed was the typical BS. Not responding. Saying they were almost don’t. Etc.
A few weeks later he said that the paper backing failed… so he linen backed the lobby cards. Just terrible. I was ready to be done with him so he sent them back to me finally. The linen backing was the worst offense. The worst part was the second grade level hack job that was done as far as painting goes… I couldn’t believe it.
I then talked to a guy who is a long time collector/dealer/restorer and he said I should send them to Mario at Lumiere for a rehab. Somehow he was able to take them off the linen, and gel back them, and make them look pretty damn good in the end. Overall I spent way to much having the cards worked on… but oh well I suppose.
I sadly don’t have a picture of Chris’s terrible restoration, but I have a picture of them at the very beginning as well as after Mario Gel backed them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hzVjZ9Th/48-FA8835-8-D2-E-48-C9-9037-3-A3-F33-B4-DA70.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzVjZ9Th)
(https://i.postimg.cc/WDFtgR4G/66-E879-A5-E60-A-4-BDD-90-DF-02-A40-A96-B685.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDFtgR4G)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yJMxTfJw/D3-CDCCCC-ADF7-403-A-A115-BF5-F434-C0-F0-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJMxTfJw)
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They definitely look much better now, Mario is one of the best - glad you were able to have fix the work
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A good, if upsetting story.
I would have loved to have seen the hack job results but, like above, glad they are sorted.
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Hi, long time.... Ahahaha, seriously??? How to butcher a paper!
Any restorer would have dumped the paper in a deacidification bath to gently remove the mesh linen and deal with acidic paper, followed by two alkaline baths...
But this guy deciding to choose the rough road*, ahahaha, the struggle is real :) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYxFWf-3J8
* Well, does he even know I wonder?
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Hi, long time.... Ahahaha, seriously??? How to butcher a paper!
Any restorer would have dumped the paper in a deacidification bath to gently remove the mesh linen and deal with acidic paper, followed by two alkaline baths...
But this guy deciding to choose the rough road*, ahahaha, the struggle is real :) :)
* Well, does he even know I wonder?
Yeah I've wondered if they ever do any deacidification, etc. baths
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Hi, long time.... Ahahaha, seriously??? How to butcher a paper!
Any restorer would have dumped the paper in a deacidification bath to gently remove the mesh linen and deal with acidic paper, followed by two alkaline baths...
It is so painful to watch him further destroy that delicate piece of paper, I don't think I could sit through the next two parts.
It's borderline criminal that he is allowed to hold himself out as a restorer, and anyone who sends him posters should be reprimanded.
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Oh my God..........this idiot is just butchering the poster. Just because the paper is delicate and is being held together with muslin does not mean you pull out a box cutter and hack it into pieces to remove it. I feel sorry for the person who sent the poster to this douchbag to "restore". Ouch!
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From the most recent YouTube video - when I first saw this I wondered if these 2 sheets could have lined up correctly. I looked around and saw that on the 3 sheets for this title, they don't line up. With the touch up, the final result looks better than expected. The permanent markers, though. Doh.gif
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52647459225_efe62cd07e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2odgZqe)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52647499458_76788d940c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2odhcnU)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52647459230_b7fe951bd5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2odgZqj)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52647280594_599a5e9e42_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2odg5jo)
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Ooch!!! A lot of white paint on this one :)
At this point, I wonder why not painting a new one from scratch :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chHobc6AJrY
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Ooch!!! A lot of white paint on this one :)
At this point, I wonder why not painting a new one from scratch :p
There is just so much wrong here I don't know where to begin. :o puke