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Common Poster Subjects => Restoration => Topic started by: Disheveledamethyst on March 12, 2011, 12:38:50 AM
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Let's say you have a thirty or so year old poster with tape stuck on all four corners. Is there a way to remove this tape without damaging the paper? Steam, perhaps?
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Lighter fluid! It sounds a bit dodgy, but works fine. Make sure you have the poster on a flat surface, preferably non porous. Just pore some along the tape, give it a minuet and the tape will lift off, sometimes needs a little coaxing, but be steady and patient. leave the poster until the fluid evaporates, and your done.
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Bestine has also been recommended.
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Bestine has also been recommended.
Yep, works great. Take it slow, no heat. If the paper has discolored underneath, that cannot be removed unless you go to a restorer, but the tape comes off pretty easy normally.
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I've never heard of, let alone used, bestine before. My brain says that using a liquid on paper would cause it to wrinkle. How does it work?
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Lighter fluid dissolves the glue so you can lift the plastic of the Sellotape up, and then evaporates. It doesn't affect the paper, inks or anything.
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Lighter fluid dissolves the glue so you can lift the plastic of the Sellotape up, and then evaporates. It doesn't affect the paper, inks or anything.
Hmm... Okay. Any particular brand or kind? Are there different types of lighter fluid? I set very few things on fire.
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Anthony,
Bestine, available here in the US ( i dont think it's sold in the UK), would be the better choice, imo. Restorers here use it with regularity.
Jeff
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I just did a little research on Bestine. It seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. Have you used it before?
I can't find any results for people who've used it to remove scotch tape from paper. Nor have I found any tips on how to use it. Can you shed a little light on that? There is a poster I want to bid on that has old tape stuck on all four corners that have browned over time. It's very unsightly, but I can't find the poster anywhere else so I'm considering bidding. But if I won't have a good chance of remedying the tape damage, I might as well save my time.
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These will help:
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/6970/Removing-tape-from-a-quad
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/5797/Old-Tape-Residue
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/768/Removing-tape-question
That should be enough for now...
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Done some digging around about Bestine. I am in Australia where we don't have Bestine so I have to consider alternatives. My research:
Best ingredients: 100% Heptane or 100% Naphtha (unsticks and leaves no residue)
Cautions: These are flamable and you need to wear gloves to avoid skin contact and also have good ventilation. Some forms of Naphtha are carcinogenic.
Products:
Bestine Adhesive Remover/Rubber Cement Thinner = 100% Heptane
Un-Du = 100% Heptane
Lighter fluid/Coleman Camping fluid = 100% Naphtha (lighter fluid can also be butane, but that is a gas so Butane is not practical)
Goo Gone = Naphtha with added Citrus Oil, though leaves greasy film (apparently)
Blaster E-Z Take away = 90% Naphtha and 10% Isopropyl (Propane)
Goof off = Naphtha, Xylene and Methanol (Xylene is a paint remover so probably is not good)
For us without access to Bestine, Un-Du is apparently just the same and is available in Oz. Info (http://www.hardwarejournal.com.au/article.asp?ArticleID=1656) & Order (http://www.artmaterials.com.au/index.php?cPath=44_129_975&osCsid=aa5800d7b50d8c229785ca2c580fb916)
Apparently it can be found at art supply stores, paint stores and some hardware stores.
Here is a demo how to use Un-Du/Heptane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRXgbg2zfLs)
Reading the threads Chris posted (thanks), an alternative to chemicals is to try a hairdryer on tape and use tweezers to seperate.
Dario mentions don't use Bestine and hairdryer combo... I assume a kaboom may happen.
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I just did a little research on Bestine. It seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. Have you used it before?
I can't find any results for people who've used it to remove scotch tape from paper. Nor have I found any tips on how to use it. Can you shed a little light on that? There is a poster I want to bid on that has old tape stuck on all four corners that have browned over time. It's very unsightly, but I can't find the poster anywhere else so I'm considering bidding. But if I won't have a good chance of remedying the tape damage, I might as well save my time.
Does the tape residue bleed thru to the front of the poster in any of the corners?
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Does the tape residue bleed thru to the front of the poster in any of the corners?
Not to my knowledge. The tape is however folded over onto the back as well. When they took it off the wall they just folded the tape and stuck it on the back.
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As I'm Snowed in at the moment, I thought I would get the sellotape off two recent posters I've bought. So while at it I took a few pics, just to show anyone who hasn't tried it , that it won't damage your poster.
This tape had been on looking at it, since the film was show in the 60's. The glue had burned into the paper somewhat, but the longer it stays there the more damage it will cause. So always get tape off as soon as you can.
all you need is lighter fluid, and a not to sharp knife
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soak the tape and surrounding area in the fluid, and leave for a moment. You need to let the fluid soak under the tape,
but it still needs to be wet when you start to lift the plastic back of the tape up...
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0556-2_zps4311f03a.jpg)
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0557-3_zps6ab5d751.jpg)
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0558-2_zpsd0e653dc.jpg)
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0561-2_zps5932770c.jpg)
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0562-2_zpsb34c38df.jpg)
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When you have removed the tape, I lightly wipe any access glue up, or you may need to use a dull knife
being careful not to dig into the paper.
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0564-2_zpsca4b68c2.jpg)
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0565-2_zps638cf3e4.jpg)
Then let the paper dry fully.
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0566-2_zps069a9113.jpg)
And onto the next bit of tape...
As you can see, there's no damage to the poster, other than the burning of the glue in this case as the tape had been on
that long, Tape that hasn't burned into the paper will come off with not sign it was there at all.
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0568-2_zps6c9557bb.jpg)
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0569-2_zpseea56717.jpg)
Half a roll of crappy Sellotape...
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/PICT0570-2_zpsc15ba410.jpg)
Keep an eye on the table as it can sometimes get slightly sticky, I always wipe the table with the cloth and some more
lighter fluid before moving on to the next bit. Also wipe the table clean when finished as you will cop it from
Yvonne if there's any mess... ;)
I'm sure if your sending a poster off for resto, Who ever you choose to do it would prefer this done before they get it as it will save them the chew, and you a few bob.
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Hasn't happened here, but isn't it strange when sometimes removing tape and the paper is transparent underneath ?
Often when the tape can be removed without lighter fluid or whatever, it's very dry and kinda cracks and comes off, I dunno, might only happen to daybills. But you can see though it, even though it's still as thick as before
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Thanks Paul!
I have a couple I have been scared to attack.
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Great set of step-by-step photos, Paul. And a nice mini lesson to any that want to tackle this on their own.
Great job!!
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If you live in the U.S. I highly recommend Bestine over lighter fluid (you can't buy it in England or Europe).
It works better, but it is even more dangerous, so you have to be super careful.
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Thanks so much Paul - I have been terrified to try this. I wonder if the lighter fluid would affect/leave a stain on a lobby card (thicker paper) more obviously?
And Ari is right about the translucent paper change on daybills - so weird!
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Can also buy pure acetone from hardware etc stores which fully evaporates clean, not nail varnish remover which usually has added colouring and scent. Likewise use in a well ventilated room and be careful of inhaling.
Glad you've seen the transparent daybill tape phenomena Chris, thought people would think I was insane after I posted. Wonder what the science is behind it.
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I've seen it many times Ari. It seems to only be on glossy paper, but I have no idea of why.
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Great photo demo Paul! That should inspire people to give it a go.
Here (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2010.msg28261.html#msg28261) is a link to some of my research on products. It also links to a youtube demo:
http://www.youtube.com/v/QRXgbg2zfLs
No Bestine here, I use this product, heptane based (my own photo hehe):
(http://www.mysterycorp.com/temp/undo_P1100100.jpg)
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I wasn't sure that make of fluid I used would work, as I only ever used a certain brand, but it was fine. So it looks like there are many products available that work.
The translucent paper thing I have had on some Quads, in fact if you look at the second or third photo above you can clearly see the table through the poster. Double Crowns are quite often printed on thick stock, so there is no problem there. I have taken tape off a lobby card with no problems.
And Chris, in all the paper I've removed tape from, it's never left a stain, and the paper is always smooth and not sticky afterwards. It makes such a huge difference with that tape off. I'm that confident doing it now I'd try it on any value poster that needed it.
The worst paper to try is this modern shiny stuff, as the liquid takes ages to seep under the tape, and you need to use quite a lot of fluid, but as with trying this on any paper, patients is the key. And don't forget, the paper needs to be wet before you start to lift the tape off...
I'm sure we all have a cheap poster with a bit of tape on to try this, you will be surprised at the results.
Steve, that was the thread I was looking for to post this in... eyeroll
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but as with trying this on any paper, patients is the key.
(http://frompartsunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Mummy-Ramirez.jpg)
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Damn modern posters good for nothing even with tape all over them!
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Paul or Steve,
Did you ever find that this product could dull or remove the shiny surface of modern poster paper? Or was that all A-OK, too?
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Jeff, I've only tried it on one modern poster that was shiny, and as the tape had not been on long, you couldn't tell it had been there at all. Not a mark on the paper.
I'll have a look through my pile of posters that need stuff doing, and if I find anything, I'll post some pics...
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Thanks, Paul. I only have a couple rolled modern posters that have some tape on them - and it's on the back.
So I will give it a go, as well.
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No Bestine here, I use this product, heptane based (my own photo hehe):
Thanks, didn't know about that - will give it a go.
Bunnings have it 30% cheaper than that Art Supplier: http://goo.gl/783xs
Mitre 10 list it as a stock item but don't price it (grrr)
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Had tape on all four corners, not any more. Worked at treat. It even removed a dirty spot in the fold line of the poster.
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/272/p1280001g.jpg)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6554/p1280003.jpg)
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6980/p1280006.jpg)
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8322/p1280005az.jpg)
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Thanks Paul and Steve. (And Dog Face because I had a $10 Bunnings Gift card in my wallet ;))
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That's pretty impressive Matt
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That's pretty impressive Matt
And very easy too, I just peeled it back nice and slow.
Paul's right again, just think of the bucks you save doing it yourself.
I remember you did a ripper job on your AFOD daybill, Chris.
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I remember you did a ripper job on your AFOD daybill, Chris.
Thanks for the confidence boost man :)
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First rate job Matt... happy1
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First rate job Matt... happy1
All thanks to you o-wise one. ;)
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All thanks to you o-wise one. ;)
Was that o-tight one... :D
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Matt, recommendation is a small hobby knife not a machete.
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Matt, recommendation is a small hobby knife not a machete.
Well he is an Aussie! "That's not a knife!"
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Matt, recommendation is a small hobby knife not a machete.
laugh1
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Matt, recommendation is a small hobby knife not a machete.
To be fair, it is a Halloween Daybill... :)
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Being three feet away from the poster was a bit of a challenge, but I managed ok.
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Being three feet away from the poster was a bit of a challenge, but I managed ok.
You were so excited?
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You were so excited?
STEVEN!!!
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Thanks Paul, this is very helpful. I have one which is in desperate need of care/ tape removal. Mine has tape burns though the real prob is the paper loss so will need to be very careful.
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q737/Hope_Emerson/Restoration/IMAG0088_zps5a65eb0a.jpg)
And I HATE with passion this ugly awful (....) sticker moron1. I will give it a go
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q737/Hope_Emerson/Restoration/IMAG0093_zpsb04cd7db.jpg)
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Do be careful with that Rosa, the tape looks like it's folded over on it's self.... which is a pain. Work on the smaller edges of the tape first. Opening them out before starting on the main side which is the side on your photo. Hope that makes sense...
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Do be careful with that Rosa, the tape looks like it's folded over on it's self.... which is a pain. Work on the smaller edges of the tape first. Opening them out before starting on the main side which is the side on your photo. Hope that makes sense...
Thanks Paul, it is tricker than expected. So I did a bit and decided to stop the thing is.. not sure I want to look agh
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/scared.gif)
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Be careful with that snipe too - I can attest to having skinned a poster before trying to get one of those off >:(
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Rosa, the small MGM/UA snipe is a part of the history of the poster/card. Are you sure you want to remove that? :-\
Jeff
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Thanks Paul, this is very helpful. I have one which is in desperate need of care/ tape removal. Mine has tape burns though the real prob is the paper loss so will need to be very careful.
And I HATE with passion this ugly awful (....) sticker moron1. I will give it a go
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q737/Hope_Emerson/Restoration/IMAG0093_zpsb04cd7db.jpg)
And, Rosa, is this piece something from THE BIG SLEEP? ;)
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And, Rosa, is this piece something from THE BIG SLEEP? ;)
dammit!!! Jeff, you have a very trained eye ;)...don't tell anyone shush, shush
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Be careful with that snipe too - I can attest to having skinned a poster before trying to get one of those off >:(
Thanks Chris. Not sure what to do with the snipe now.. i don't want to skin the poster. My worry is the damm tape (excuse my language). Anyway. It is drying up now. will see.
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The tape will come off, just slow and steady is the way. Don't worry about putting too much fluid on, it will vap off...
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That IS a good eye Jeff - it's my near the top of my fav movie list and I didn't even notice!
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The tape will come off, just slow and steady is the way. Don't worry about putting too much fluid on, it will vap off...
Thanks Paul, really appreciate this. I have my fingers, and toes XsdThat IS a good eye Jeff - it's my near the top of my fav movie list and I didn't even notice!
;)
What is your top Chris? I would like to know, 'cause this one should be top at Everest mountain level...me thinks ;)
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What is your top Chris? I would like to know, 'cause this one should be top at Everest mountain level...me thinks ;)
Oh it's definitely near the top but different movies for different moods if you know what I mean.
It's my favourite Bogie that's for sure and within my top 5 movies overall. Blade Runner is up there too...
If we're talking 'noirs' then "Night Has a Thousand Eyes", "Scarlet Street" & "Nightmare Alley" should be included. But then again I love so many noir films it's very hard to rate them. It's like choosing between favourite children!
So you see it's a tough task :)
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Oh and Rosa I would really, really love to see your Bogie poster collection SOON!
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Before with Tape
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q737/Hope_Emerson/Restoration/IMAG0088_zps5a65eb0a.jpg)
After, without Tape (and..uhm..paper)
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q737/Hope_Emerson/Restoration/IMAG0095_zpsc9eb746e.jpg)
I really did it as carefully as possible. But there wasn't much paper there to work on. The product is great.
I take full responsibility. Me. Me hand. Me rubbish. I should have just used a pair of scissors.
I will post this anyway. So you alll can have a laugh. It shows how NOT to do this. :-X
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The paper under the tape looked thinner in some spots, Rosa, so something like this could be expected.
And you got the tape off!! Good job!
happy1
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Two words Rosa, Dario Casadei (http://www.vintagemovieart.ca)
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Two words Rosa, Dario Casadei (http://www.vintagemovieart.ca)
David, I think so too :-[
.The paper under the tape looked thinner in some spots, Rosa, so something like this could be expected.
And you got the tape off!! Good job!
happy1
Thank you Jeff, the tape has come off, but dunno, dunno :-[I need to consider now if I should take it to a restorer, caramba.
Lesson 1: Do not attempt any restoration on a Saturday night. Best to go out and have a drink, or two or maybe three. That will teach me. :-\
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Oh it's definitely near the top but different movies for different moods if you know what I mean.
It's my favourite Bogie that's for sure and within my top 5 movies overall. Blade Runner is up there too...
If we're talking 'noirs' then "Night Has a Thousand Eyes", "Scarlet Street" & "Nightmare Alley" should be included. But then again I love so many noir films it's very hard to rate them. It's like choosing between favourite children!
So you see it's a tough task :)
:o V. good films! Though I will include DOA as one of the greatest noir film too ;)
Oh and Rosa I would really, really love to see your Bogie poster collection SOON!
Yes, you will ;)...I just need to stop wearing my 'Terminator' hat. I checked yours, your collection is really cool!
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David, I think so too :-[
Or Alain Bourgouin, who is local to you in London. :)
http://www.posterscience.com/
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That was a tricksy one to start with, what fluid did you use?
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That was a tricksy one to start with, what fluid did you use?
Hi Paul,
I used the Lighter fluid you recommended. BUT two things,
ONE I used tweezers not a knife because I didnt have much paper AND i just couldn't get around it with the knife. I had to peel it off.
TWO, I should have waited and soaked it properly, and being much calmer rather than feeling so anxious and terrified that I was some sort of TERMINATOR.
Anyway, no probs. We all learn things. I learnt my lesson. That's cool. I will certainly give it a go with another one in better shape. I am not going let this to ruin my Sat.
I am going to have my 7th G&T now. It's OK.
The three moods of Rosa right now :) :'( moron1
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Hi Paul,
I used the Lighter fluid you recommended. BUT two things,
ONE I used tweezers not a knife because I didnt have much paper AND i just couldn't get around it with the knife. I had to peel it off.
TWO, I should have waited and soaked it properly, and being much calmer rather than feeling so anxious and terrified that I was some sort of TERMINATOR.
Anyway, no probs. We all learn things. I learnt my lesson. That's cool. I will certainly give it a go with another one in better shape. I am not going let this to ruin my Sat.
I am going to have my 7th G&T now. It's OK.
The three moods of Rosa right now :) :'( moron1
7th?!?!?! :o ;)
cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers
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Great job Rosa! I think it looks about as good as you could expect... seriously.
I doubt a restorer could have saved much additional paper given how thin/frail it was. The upside to using a restorer is that they have loads of period/color appropriate paper to patch in the missing bits. You could try doing it yourself if you can find some matching paper on a worthless title. Then just cut out a patch and tape it from behind using acid free tape. That's probably as much as you can hope to do without sending it in for a professional restoration.
Just take comfort in knowing that you got that nasty acid-soaked tape off so it won't be doing any additional damage in the mean time!
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Oh, many thanks to all.. :)
In appreciation for such great contributions and support, you are all cordially invited to a G&T (no ice or lemmon though) :P
(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q737/Hope_Emerson/Doolahlah/IMAG0097_zps546d05ec.jpg)
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Bombay Sapphire. Good for you. thumbup
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You are having way too much fun Rosa ;)
How did the paper look afterwards (after it dried) in the areas where the lighter fluid was used?
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That's a big glass of Gin & Tonic
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Bombay Sapphire. Good for you. thumbup
Of course ;)
That's a big glass of Gin & Tonic
:PYou are having way too much fun Rosa ;)
How did the paper look afterwards (after it dried) in the areas where the lighter fluid was used?
It looks OK to me Chris, the paper is quick thick so it seems alright no descoloration.
Or Alain Bourgouin, who is local to you in London. :)
http://www.posterscience.com/
Yes, you're right Jeff. Alain is very, very good. I just thought I could give it a try before sending it over to him! If it goes to Alain this would be a good example of a very cheap, low value poster, in need of an expensive restoration. But Bogey is Bogey. Im doomed :)
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Another good job done.....
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/Pauls%20posters/IMG_0218_zps59fe2ab8.jpg)
(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/frankenstein31_photos/Pauls%20posters/IMG_0217_zps31ac0013.jpg)
Luckily these two posters were saved before any burning to the poster was done... :)
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Paul - you can think of yourself as poster paramedic - saving one poster for posterity at a time!
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Perhaps we can see a before and after of the poster?
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Bollocks, I never took a before, it was mostly from the Daughter of Dr Jekyll Quad, I posted in the Latest thread.... Next time I will be more organised, I promise.
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Bollocks, I never took a before, it was mostly from the Daughter of Dr Jekyll Quad, I posted in the Latest thread.... Next time I will be more organised, I promise.
So basically what we have is a picture of some old sellotape, you should know that I am already a member of the Old Sellotape Fetish Forum, I don't need two fixes per day...
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So basically what we have is a picture of some old sellotape, you should know that I am already a member of the Old Sellotape Fetish Forum, I don't need two fixes per day...
laugh1
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So basically what we have is a picture of some old sellotape, you should know that I am already a member of the Old Sellotape Fetish Forum, I don't need two fixes per day...
laugh1 Forward me your address David, I'll send you the sticky mess...
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laugh1 Forward me your address David, I'll send you the sticky mess...
Bugger that - I'll auction it. We of the OSFF would pay top dollar for crusty old used tape...
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1) The Patient - Nasty sellotape along ALL the rear folds and in other areas!! Must get off before dreaded burn-in takes hold...
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_7365.jpg) (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/Assgoblin/media/IMG_7365.jpg.html)
2) The Medication
(http://www.framing4yourself.com/site_media/images/products/product-image-1846.JPG)
3) The Surgery
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_7788.jpg) (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/Assgoblin/media/IMG_7788.jpg.html)
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_7790.jpg) (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/Assgoblin/media/IMG_7790.jpg.html)
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_7789.jpg) (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/Assgoblin/media/IMG_7789.jpg.html)
4) The Cancer
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_7791.jpg) (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/Assgoblin/media/IMG_7791.jpg.html)
5) Post-Surgery
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_7793.jpg) (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/Assgoblin/media/IMG_7793.jpg.html)
6) In-Patient Recovery Room
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_7792edit.jpg) (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/Assgoblin/media/IMG_7792edit.jpg.html)
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As you can see from the photos I attempted but was unsuccessful at getting the brown paper tape off with the Un-Du. Me thinks that's a future job for Dario but I definitely made his life easier :)
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Love that surgical technique Chris. clap
Just one thing though.....you need a bigger knife! ;)
Edit: Forgot to mention, the poster is a ripper too.
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Love that surgical technique Chris. clap
Just one thing though.....you need a bigger knife! ;)
We lack the manual dexterity in these frigid climes to wield an Aussie-sized knife ;)
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Awesome, Chris...the poster (without question) as well as the surgical procedure and accompanying photos!!
cheers cheers
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Explain why you didn't use an archaeologist's trowel instead of that scalpel...
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Well done, fun photos, great poster
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Jollyfine Chris, and Great poster.
The Brown stuff will come off with a bit of patience... Or try the Lighter fluid.
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Sweet!
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Great work ... and great poster!
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Thanks Rosa (and everyone else). I was very pleased with how easily the sellotape came off and the fact the poster paper appears to be unaffected by the Un-Du in any way!
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Nice surgery !!
Love the Afriqua Queen, tried to bag a few but was outbid why sleeping.
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Here's my empire strikes back before and after tape removal>
Top left and right had tape not fixing tears but I guess sticking it to the wall at some point:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Gonewiththewind_zpsa35035aa.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Gonewiththewind_zpsa35035aa.jpg.html)(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Done_zps64ef3328.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Done_zps64ef3328.jpg.html)
Little bit of marking where the tape was but certainty better than it was , May go over it again at some point
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Tape2_zps9fef08f1.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Tape2_zps9fef08f1.jpg.html)
On the right side:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Tape1_zps7077bad5.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Tape1_zps7077bad5.jpg.html)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Tape3_zpsb2b7684b.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Tape3_zpsb2b7684b.jpg.html)
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Nice job! Its coming along really well, so far.
Congrats!
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Couple of observations from my experience with Un-Du:
1. Be careful using it on white posters. I used it to take some tape off an 'It's Alive' daybill and the fluid bled out around the tape (as you expect it to) but it caused a 'ring' - like you might see on a bath tub. I put this down to the poster having some dirt in it which the Un-Du had swept up as it moved through the poster. It's only happened to me the once, but beware if you're working on a rare / treasured poster.
2. The Un-Du can leave a lot of sticky residue behind once the tape has been removed. A couple of extra applications of the fluid and a gentle scrape / wipe will usually sort out the problem, but don't get too enthusiastic - the Un-Du can make the poster fragile and you can find yourself losing a little colour if you're not paying close attention.
Overall, though, Un-Du is a great tool! I've rescued several posters using it that you'd never suspect ever had tape on them!
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Couple of observations from my experience with Un-Du:
1. Be careful using it on white posters. I used it to take some tape off an 'It's Alive' daybill and the fluid bled out around the tape (as you expect it to) but it caused a 'ring' - like you might see on a bath tub. I put this down to the poster having some dirt in it which the Un-Du had swept up as it moved through the poster. It's only happened to me the once, but beware if you're working on a rare / treasured poster.
2. The Un-Du can leave a lot of sticky residue behind once the tape has been removed. A couple of extra applications of the fluid and a gentle scrape / wipe will usually sort out the problem, but don't get too enthusiastic - the Un-Du can make the poster fragile and you can find yourself losing a little colour if you're not paying close attention.
Overall, though, Un-Du is a great tool! I've rescued several posters using it that you'd never suspect ever had tape on them!
Pretty much my observations with Un-Du as well. Although I have not encountered the issue in #1. Was this a "glossy coated" daybill?
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Pretty much my observations with Un-Du as well. Although I have not encountered the issue in #1. Was this a "glossy coated" daybill?
Nothing special about the daybill; just the normal smooth on the front and rough(er) on the back.
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Hi - I dont know if anyone here has tried this before with this poster but I think I'm stuck. All the Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf DOM OS that I have seen have either a long strip of tape or a black stripe over the soundtrack info that was printed on the poster. I'm not sure why and that's not really important.
I've tried several times to remove this tape using Bestine, but this sucker just doesn't want to come off. My method has been to use a syringe and douse the tape both on the front and back with the Bestine, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. So my question, has anybody else tried this successfully? Am I doing something wrong? Or is this tape stuck forever?
(http://i58.tinypic.com/debssp.jpg)
After soaking with Besting, this was all it did:
(http://i60.tinypic.com/1432ac.jpg)
Back:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/vwykqf.jpg)
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I had to send one of my posters to a restorer to get a snipe removed. It was mostly successful but some of the text did have to be restored.
I didn't try Bestine or any other method as mine was of a similar age (1971) and also similarly to hide soundtrack information. At least if the restorer does it, he can fill in the lost paper and make good - was my thinking.
Good luck.
Cheers.
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Bestine (or any Heptane product) will not work on all forms of adhesive. Given the amount you've tried I would say Bestine is not going to be the proper solution. Might need a professional...
I also find it great that the snipe is failing utterly in doing its job of hiding the soundtrack info! thumbsup.gif
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Thanks guys. I was afraid I was stuck and it looks like I am. No worries, the poster isnt in that great of shape anyways, I was really just trying to start learning how to remove tape on my own...on to the next poster!
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I also find it great that the snipe is failing utterly in doing its job of hiding the soundtrack info! thumbsup.gif
This is a very good point. I chastise myself in not making this very same point.
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Score and the dramatic dialog track (side B) both included on the soundtrack album.
Very cool.
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This is a very good point. I chastise myself in not making this very same point.
It's OK fella...you can have the next poignant observation ;)
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In case anyone cares, the only way to remove the snipe successfully was with water. After soaking the poster, the snipe came of pretty smoothly with a palette knife.
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In case anyone cares, the only way to remove the snipe successfully was with water. After soaking the poster, the snipe came of pretty smoothly with a palette knife.
Good for you, Racer... nice to hear that it was a water based glue/adhesive that was used and that it came off easily.
cheers
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I find this is often the case with the US posters used in Canada.
even a lot of the time, just the environment seems to get them unstuck.
I don't know WHAT environment, but I have some where they had a snipe, i look a year or two later and it falls right off just by looking at the thing.
I usually leave them anyway, unless they are particularly distracting.
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I find this is often the case with the US posters used in Canada.
even a lot of the time, just the environment seems to get them unstuck.
I don't know WHAT environment, but I have some where they had a snipe, i look a year or two later and it falls right off just by looking at the thing.
I usually leave them anyway, unless they are particularly distracting.
This has been known to happen to Canadian womens' tops on occasion
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I wondered why you blokes were so damn happy.
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This has been known to happen to Canadian womens' tops on occasion
Has it happened too, to Mrs. CSM?
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that's how babies are made silly.
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that's how babies are made silly.
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Truth can be stranger than fiction, sometimes....
so it never hurts to ask....
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OK, not sellotape, but sticky rubber things... these are soft rubber, and very sticky, the seller never said they were on, but that aside lets get them off..
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1369_zps0e0d64be.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1369_zps0e0d64be.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1373_zpsb2aa1114.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1373_zpsb2aa1114.jpg.html)
Very carefully with a knife work it back and forth between the rubber and the paper, keeping it very wet with the fluid. I did let these soak for a few mins before starting..
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1374_zps6c0ebb66.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1374_zps6c0ebb66.jpg.html)
Now the problem with these is the glue don't evaporate like tape, so it doesn't stay on the rubber it stays on the paper...
Looks a bit like bogies, and not Rosas Boogie either... ;)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1375_zpse1cb2677.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1375_zpse1cb2677.jpg.html)
The trick here is keep the paper very wet, and slowly do little circles with your finger on the glue that's left...
it will lift and roll into a ball without damaging the paper.
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1376_zpse2563f2e.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1376_zpse2563f2e.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1377_zpsb65abd57.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1377_zpsb65abd57.jpg.html)
At which point it can be removed. However slowly let the paper dry, but keep feeling it as it's amazing how many little bits get left on.
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1379_zpsfb17a4b0.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1379_zpsfb17a4b0.jpg.html)
I eventually wet the paper again and wiped outwards with a paper towel...
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1378_zps2569809f.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1378_zps2569809f.jpg.html)
Let the poster dry and re-check before carrying on to the next corner.
Sticky mess..
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1380_zps077d5ee8.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1380_zps077d5ee8.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1381_zpse63d15dd.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1381_zpse63d15dd.jpg.html)
Nice clean poster...
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p501/PaulWaines/PICT1382_zps4b7846be.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/PaulWaines/media/PICT1382_zps4b7846be.jpg.html)
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That is awesome,amazing what determination will do.
Good job fella.
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Thanks Stew..
Just a side note the paper stuck to those rubber things is not the side I took off the poster, it's what the poster was stuck too, if you look at the clean side of the rubber that's the one that came off the poster.
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Thanks Stew..
Just a side note the paper stuck to those rubber things is not the side I took off the poster, it's what the poster was stuck too, if you look at the clean side of the rubber that's the one that came off the poster.
Yep..great job,no lift off of paper.
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Great job Paul... nice removal of those black "sticky things." thumbsup.gif
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Amazing what lighter fluid, patience and a steady hand can do
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Are the adhesive removers safe to use on newer glossy, double sided posters?
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Yes, I've used them on newer posters, you just have to be a bit more patient as it takes a little longer to soak into newer paper..
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Good to know.
And those kinds of solvents don't mess with the paper's gloss and remove the sheen, making it appear dull in those spots?
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Here's my empire strikes back before and after tape removal>
Top left and right had tape not fixing tears but I guess sticking it to the wall at some point:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Gonewiththewind_zpsa35035aa.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Gonewiththewind_zpsa35035aa.jpg.html)(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Done_zps64ef3328.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Done_zps64ef3328.jpg.html)
Little bit of marking where the tape was but certainty better than it was , May go over it again at some point
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Tape2_zps9fef08f1.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Tape2_zps9fef08f1.jpg.html)
On the right side:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Tape1_zps7077bad5.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Tape1_zps7077bad5.jpg.html)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/gargoyle67/Tape3_zpsb2b7684b.jpg) (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/gargoyle67/media/Tape3_zpsb2b7684b.jpg.html)
I will be giving this a try, in the near future. Great pics, gargoyle and Paul.
It's like a 'how to' when using lighter fluid to remove clear tape from posters. thumbsup.gif
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my opinion: just frame them as is unless you can easily do the work.
I suggested to a customer last week asking about getting a poster restored/backed "why don't you just wait to find a nicer copy?"
he liked that suggestion
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my opinion: just frame them as is unless you can easily do the work.
I suggested to a customer last week asking about getting a poster restored/backed "why don't you just wait to find a nicer copy?"
he liked that suggestion
The poster is fine, but has 3-4 pieces of scotch tape on it. Why wait to get another copy when this can be done easily?
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The poster is fine, but has 3-4 pieces of scotch tape on it. Why wait to get another copy when this can be done easily?
my opinion: just frame them as is unless you can easily do the work.
I suggested to a customer last week asking about getting a poster restored/backed "why don't you just wait to find a nicer copy?"
he liked that suggestion
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my opinion: just frame them as is unless you can easily do the work.
I suggested to a customer last week asking about getting a poster restored/backed "why don't you just wait to find a nicer copy?"
he liked that suggestion
Not sure there is an easy one size fits all answer. I bought a half sheet a few weeks ago that sold for $100 less than the recent examples because of 2 snipes. I knew this going in and gambled that the snipes would come off (one is really obnoxious). The small one was some sort of plastic tape and peeled right off. Residue went away with bestine. The big one appears to be a wheat paste glue. It is coming loose, but I am going slow to avoid damaging the poster.
It makes no sense if I value my time at $100/hr professional rate, but plenty at a time available hobby rate.
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I bought some lighter fluid tonight, and am excited to give this tape removal process a go!
More to follow.
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lighter fluid is good, but also naptha, or rubber cement thinner (always my choice)
keep in mind, that the petroleum qualities of the liquids take longer to evaporate than the fluid qualities, so wait a while for that to dissapate
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lighter fluid is good, but also naptha, or rubber cement thinner (always my choice)
keep in mind, that the petroleum qualities of the liquids take longer to evaporate than the fluid qualities, so wait a while for that to dissapate
Thanks, Rich, as always.
I will take it slow and steady. (and it's the same brand of lighter fluid that Paul W shows and used in his earlier pics, so it must be the cat's meow!) cool1
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Some forms of naphtha contain benzene a carcinogen
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Some forms of naphtha contain benzene a carcinogen
Didnt know that.
Thanks, Steve.
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Some forms of naphtha contain benzene a carcinogen
everything has carcinogens.. including all that Monsanto shit we wind up eating...
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my opinion: just frame them as is unless you can easily do the work.
Misread that, Rich. My bad. Doh.gif
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lighter fluid is good, but also naptha, or rubber cement thinner (always my choice)
keep in mind, that the petroleum qualities of the liquids take longer to evaporate than the fluid qualities, so wait a while for that to dissipate.
Rich, will lighter fluid also work the same on lifting tape from a glossy magazine cover? I have a mag (a duplicate copy) that has some scotch tape (it's not the older, sello tape) along the spine. The tape hasn't discolored and I'd like to try and remove it, if possible.
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Rich, will lighter fluid also work the same on lifting tape from a glossy magazine cover? I have a mag (a duplicate copy) that has some scotch tape (it's not the older, sello tape) along the spine. The tape hasn't discolored and I'd like to try and remove it, if possible.
yes, but keep in mind that all such fluids have different chemicals in them, some good or bad for different purposes. lighter fluid probably has an agent that controls the burn to prevent explosions or to reduce gasses, while benzene is a strong solvent. You need to find the happy medium of which solution (fluid) may be least caustic or neutral post-use. Rubber cement thinner is clearly to be used on paper for the removal of glue as a specific task
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i hope to have time to remove some cellotape from paper over xmas
i am guessing the lighter fluid i buy is what you buy to fill zippo lighters?
are all brands the same, do i have to avoid any?
the paper is a fifties trade ad (magazine paper) and a sixties italian 2piece - don't know if this is important/relevant
i live in a small flat - will it stink place out? too cold to open windows ;D
do i need to wear rubber gloves?
or should i buy a product that is sold as a tape remover?
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Ive been using lighter fluid (it wasnt Zippo, but another brand name, that comes in a bottle type to refill lighters) and it has worked great. I used in on a page from an 1846 atlas that had been taped to a mat, as well as on 1920s and '30s post cards (both smooth and linen texture finish cards), and it has worked like a champ.
Ive put a small amount in a shot glass then used a small brush or cotton swap to dab it on the areas, letting it soak into the tpae residue and paper. Then carefully and slowly removing the tape with a pair of tweezers.
Ive sometimes done a a 2nd application to remove any remaining glue residue, which can turn sticky if its that old kind of clear, cello tape.
And it wont stink you out of your flat. ;D It also evaporates quickly, so i had to add to my shot glass (it was maybe 1/3 or less full). The smell isnt that strong to begin with --- benzene, though, has a much stronger smell, so you might want to crack a window for air circulation, if you use that, instead.
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thanks thumbup
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Erik, a question. Does the lighter fluid leave the paper wrinkled? I've always thought any liquid will leave the paper with wrinkles; like a poster that has been rained on and is warped and wrinkled.
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Erik, a question. Does the lighter fluid leave the paper wrinkled? I've always thought any liquid will leave the paper with wrinkles; like a poster that has been rained on and is warped and wrinkled.
No..it dries so fast (evaporates) that unlike water which takes longer to dry, doesnt cause wrinkles, warping or any other marks or rings (like water can also do).
It works great. And the smell dissipates and is gone as soon as the fluid has evaporated. So a win-win situation. ;)
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i hope to have time to remove some cellotape from paper over xmas
i am guessing the lighter fluid i buy is what you buy to fill zippo lighters?
are all brands the same, do i have to avoid any?
the paper is a fifties trade ad (magazine paper) and a sixties italian 2piece - don't know if this is important/relevant
i live in a small flat - will it stink place out? too cold to open windows ;D
do i need to wear rubber gloves?
or should i buy a product that is sold as a tape remover?
I've removed tape until I was blue in the face. Lighter fluid has that lighter fluid smell. If you are not in Canada or California or other carcinogen state, use Bestine the smell never stays. You can leave the lid off of the Bestine container and it will evaporate before you ever smell it. The only time I ever had any worries about the strength of Bestine was when I basically removed an entire US OS from foam core. I was essentially pouring and painting Bestine at the intersection of the lifted poster and the foam core for about 15 minutes. Probably shorten my life by a few minutes on that adventure.
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I've removed tape until I was blue in the face. Lighter fluid has that lighter fluid smell. If you are not in Canada or California or other carcinogen state, use Bestine the smell never stays. You can leave the lid off of the Bestine container and it will evaporate before you ever smell it. The only time I ever had any worries about the strength of Bestine was when I basically removed an entire US OS from foam core. I was essentially pouring and painting Bestine at the intersection of the lifted poster and the foam core for about 15 minutes. Probably shorten my life by a few minutes on that adventure.
thanks. i don't like the "vapour can cause flash-fires" "vapour harmful" i just read on pictures of Bestine tins ;D
think i'll just buy lighter fluid from my corner shop later today. for some reason i had it in my head my room would be full of petrol smell/fumes.
and like cabmangray said, i was worried about wrinkling too