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Title: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on December 18, 2010, 11:45:13 AM
I know this may have been covered in some other corner of the interweb, but after reading the thread "off the radar", I would like to know experiences you have all had with Linen backing to full restorations. I am of the thought, head straight to Studio "C" for anything in this area. I thought Posterfix was one of the better one's though it seems not.

I have only ever had three posters done, the first at I think they were called Vintage poster company down London, and would never use them again in a million years. The second was someone from Ebay who just did a basic linen-backing which was jolly good, and Studio "C", which had some restoration done as well, and was first rate. I don't have any before pics, which I should have taken. Though I got them done well before I started going on Poster forums, and Taking photo's of them.    
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on December 18, 2010, 11:53:18 AM
Others to consider based on opinions of collectors I trust:

Dario Casadei (http://members.shaw.ca/vintagemovieart/ (http://members.shaw.ca/vintagemovieart/))

Precision Restoration (Sylvia Locken - http://www.precisionrestoration.net/ (http://www.precisionrestoration.net/))

Jaime Mendez - IF you can get past the whole Universal Horror scandal, the work I have seen is great (http://www.restorationbyjm.com/ (http://www.restorationbyjm.com/))
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on December 18, 2010, 12:31:17 PM
I like checking out the before/after pictures and what posters other collectors think are worth repairing.  Poster Mountain has a huge database of repaired posters in reverse chronological order:

http://www.postermountain.com/form/ (http://www.postermountain.com/form/)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on December 18, 2010, 01:05:22 PM
best linenbackers/restorers

Studio-C
Postermountain (although his authentication skills are questionable)
Dario Cassadei (in recent years I have only used Dario, but then again, in the last 5 years I've only had 2 posters worked on)
Poster Conservation in CT

avoid these at all cost
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
and
Posterfix

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on December 18, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
Are they in order of preference, Rich?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Harry Caul on December 18, 2010, 01:38:13 PM
best linenbackers/restorers

Studio-C
Postermountain (although his authentication skills are questionable)
Dario Cassadei (in recent years I have only used Dario, but then again, in the last 5 years I've only had 2 posters worked on)
Poster Conservation in CT

avoid these at all cost
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
Posterfix
and
Posterfix



I'll post this here as well... Is there a write up somewhere as to why some people have a problem with Posterfix?  I used them before and while they were EXTREMELY slow, I thought they did fine work.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Dr Hackenbush on December 18, 2010, 01:47:38 PM
http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/7520/t/posterfix.html (http://stylec.yuku.com/topic/7520/t/posterfix.html)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on December 18, 2010, 02:15:13 PM
Are they in order of preference, Rich?

no..

except the avoids.. avoid them in that order
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on December 18, 2010, 02:16:07 PM
PosterFix is run by a major assclown - Chris Cloutier

their work also looks like a kid with crayons
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: oldposterho on December 18, 2010, 02:57:32 PM
A big vote for Sylvia at Precision Restoration and Dario up in Canadia.  You can get a great combo deal from Sylvia if you're having your poster framed by Sue at Hollywood Poster Frames as well. 

--Peter
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: velvet11 on December 18, 2010, 05:37:31 PM
I've used J. Fields Studio a few times, and I've been very happy with their prices, work and turnaround time.

As others have noted, Dario is first rate as well.

 ron
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Simes on December 18, 2010, 06:24:43 PM
I've used PosterScience in London as well to great effect.

Top notch.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: 50s on December 18, 2010, 09:41:58 PM
I use StudioM  (http://www.studiomvintageposters.com.au/) in Sydney. Turnaround could be a bit faster though (they have too much work), but very happy with the results.

I ask to leave the penciling to me as it saves me a bit of dosh, I enjoy, and I do a mighty fine job anyway.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on December 18, 2010, 09:49:12 PM
A couple of months ago, Sam of Empire Posters brought up several interesting comments about the use of paper backing as opposed to linen backing in a MoPo thread. He brought up many interesting points. He is a member here, maybe he'll read this and add his comments.  Sam, you out there?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on December 19, 2010, 03:18:43 AM
Some interesting stuff here, Though I don't know why Turn around time is important? Unless you plan to sell the item. I know we hate being apart from our beloved posters, but quality would be my main concern. Do we think in rushing these people the job they are doing suffers!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on December 19, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
Some interesting stuff here, Though I don't know why Turn around time is important? Unless you plan to sell the item. I know we hate being apart from our beloved posters, but quality would be my main concern. Do we think in rushing these people the job they are doing suffers!

Agree with you Paul.  If I am keeping the poster, I don't care if it takes six months so long as I get my $$$ worth in the restoration...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on December 20, 2010, 04:56:57 AM
I noticed on MPF someone was wanting an alternative to Studio "C", anyone know anything? Have they done some bad work, Prices too high?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Dr Hackenbush on December 20, 2010, 06:54:23 AM
I know of at least one long time collector that had a bad experience with Studio C
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on December 20, 2010, 07:04:21 AM
Do you know any of the details Angelo?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on December 20, 2010, 10:09:16 PM
theres is long stories of old things, long done thats I know of, but cripes this is to my knowledge ancient history. ]Some of this stuff, like the others, search mopo, if ou arent a member, go to filmfan.com
join if you want, or search the archives for past threads.
its the oldest movie poster forum, and still going strong.

to put it simply, its too difficult to type up a synopsis of it all, and even after reading AL< the mopo stuff on the studio C contraversy, you will not know the full story. Interesting though it may be.

But there may be new stuff, i dont know, the stuff I know is dating back a long time, and mainly involves someone who no longer works there, but that depends on who you blame.
Cripes, I talk too much, really read old Mopo posts and make your own decision.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Dr Hackenbush on December 21, 2010, 07:41:43 AM
Do you know any of the details Angelo?

I know the person involved but not the details, per se.  Seemed a rather sore point so I refrained from asking
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on December 21, 2010, 11:06:33 AM
I am a MOPO member, and do recall quite a lot of....................things going on, but I have had nothing lately as my Email has changed. I must look into getting swapped back over.

I don't recall anything said about poor workmanship though?? 
Title: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on January 23, 2011, 08:31:49 PM
This seems like a way to help those in need of a good restorer, based on personal use, quality of their work, pricing, turn around time and the like and to also help those to avoid and stay away from the ones that do poor work, are exceedingly slow or hold posters for months due to work load or backlogging.

Makes sense since there is a similar topic to list and talk about those dealers that get both a Thumbs Up, and the one to steer clear from.

I have used John Davis at his company, Poster Mountain, here in Los Angeles. He and his team do great work, are great to deal with, personable and his pricing is competitive. I would recommend him to anyone looking for quality restoration.

Jeff
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on April 03, 2011, 02:13:34 PM
Based on comments in another thread... i think that Chris Cloutier certainly can be added here, too..

POSTERFIX-- AVOID!  moron1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on April 05, 2011, 02:13:32 AM
I cannot recommend the restoration work done by L'Imagerie Gallery, in So Calif. I had a poster worked on by them, and was disappointed. (I was new to collecting and went with them because they were recommended by a fellow poster collector). However, I would not go back to them again. The work was less than optimal. moron1   The "plus" side was that I discovered Poster Mountain because of the previous situation and they fixed the issue with the poster.

I give John Davis and Co. a HUGE sm1

Jeff
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: 50s on April 05, 2011, 03:20:22 AM
Yeah, Debi Jacobson of L'Imagerie Gallery I recommend keep well away from. I was told (lied to) that an expensive 3 sht ($3000) poster she had was in near mint condition, yet after I received it, my restorer friend pointed out significant saturated respray in the image area and borders and also numerous restored areas (poorly done). At that time I also purchased another poster ($1500) which she had backed for me, and frankly, it was amaturely done and extremely dissapointing... never saw such a mis-aligned 3-sheet backing job since. I also bought a 3rd poster at the same time, but havent inspected it closely... I'd rather that chapter of purchases put behind me - was my second ever poster purchase, I was a poster newbie.   
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: eatbrie on April 19, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
Like I said before, I'm not a big proponent of linenbacking, but when the poster is rare (meaning, hard to find anywhere) and in need of restoration, Dario seems to be the master.

Here's a work in progress on my Italian Suspiria.  The fluorescent reds are impossible to work on without darkening them, so I asked him to leave them alone.

This one will probably be framed, the first poster I frame in about 5 years (I think the last one was a Psycho 1/2 sheet).

(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Photos/Suspiriadario1.jpg)(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Photos/Suspiriadario2.jpg)(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Photos/Suspiriadario3.jpg)

T
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on April 20, 2011, 02:43:14 AM
T,

Looks like Dario repainted all the borders?

Coming along nicely.

Jeff
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: 50s on April 21, 2011, 05:13:10 PM
Anyone have any experience with?:

- Poster Conservation (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/home/)
They list (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/info3/1/) a quad as 40x60 though

- J. Fields Studio (http://www.jfieldsgallery.com/)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on April 21, 2011, 05:19:02 PM
Steve..

i have a friend who used J Fields almost exclusively for many of his posters. He liked them a lot-- they do fine work, but they got a little backlogged sometimes. Might be beneficial to write and ask him (Jason) about his current turnaround times.

Jeff
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: 50s on April 21, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
Thanks Jeff
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Neo on April 22, 2011, 10:03:22 PM
Anyone have any experience with?:

- Poster Conservation (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/home/)
They list (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/info3/1/) a quad as 40x60 though

- J. Fields Studio (http://www.jfieldsgallery.com/)


Poster Conservation has done a few posters for me.  They do a good job.  Last time I talked to them, they said the only thing they do is linen backing, when I was asked about getting my Taxi Driver 30x40 paper backed by them.  I'm thinking about looking into Poster Mountain, for various reasons, but they have a few methods that would be interesting to see how posters turn out, like gelatin resizing for a couple 40x60s I have that need a little work and possibly for flattening a couple posters I have that are folded but otherwise in near perfect condition that I'm slightly reluctant to have linen backed.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on April 23, 2011, 12:56:57 AM
Anyone have any experience with?:

- Poster Conservation (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/home/)
They list (http://www.posterconservation.com/index2.php#/info3/1/) a quad as 40x60 though

- J. Fields Studio (http://www.jfieldsgallery.com/)


Got a quote once from J. Fields that seemed highly excessive compared to what other restorers quoted for the same poster. 

That is not to say they do not do good work but I was pretty stunned at the quote!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: theartofmovieposters on May 06, 2011, 08:38:40 AM
Have used a few, and hands down winner for me was Jamie...but as Chris said, it depends on your thoughts regarding the recent controversy.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Dread_Pirate_Mel on June 10, 2011, 09:19:41 PM
Kudos to Poster Mountain, they did a great job linen-backing my French Line for $175, including shipping.  They did minimal restoration, just fixed the ink spots on Russell's face from the stamp on the back.

(http://posternirvana.com/0DNE/French-Line-linen.jpg)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Dr Hackenbush on June 10, 2011, 09:29:20 PM
Looks great!  Congrats!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: raulleaf on June 11, 2011, 12:07:37 AM
Based on comments in another thread... i think that Chris Cloutier certainly can be added here, too..

POSTERFIX-- AVOID!  moron1

Yep I would say the same. He sent my poster back unprotected (no plastic or anything) and it rained and the package got damp and the poster all wavy....
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Neo on June 11, 2011, 12:36:20 AM
She's a beaut, Mel.  Looks almost perfect.  thumbup
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on June 11, 2011, 01:44:03 AM
Yep I would say the same. He sent my poster back unprotected (no plastic or anything) and it rained and the package got damp and the poster all wavy....


hey Charlie--

what poster did you have him work on for you? Was the waving severe from the moisture that got into the package?

Jeff

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: raulleaf on June 11, 2011, 09:13:24 AM
Well its a bit of a long story but I had recently come across a few hundred photoplays, etc. from the the sixties.  They were all beat up moisture damaged, had silver fish and what not; they had been stored in a barn.  But fortunately the inside pages were in pretty good shape so I started to go through them and paydirt! kind of... They may not be worth much but it is nice to have some paper associated with the film prior or near the release.  It would be interesting to determine the number of magazines printed and compare it to the number of posters printed.  I might even go as far to say that these do have value.  Anyway somehow I got a hold of this Chris guy and was going to have him do ten or so of the important titles but my wife convinced me to see what he could do with one first.  So first he kept it well over a month and when he shipped it back he had just taped it to a piece of cardboard; didn't wrap it in plastic.  We where out of the country and so it sat on our front porch for a few days and moisture got to it.  Snapped some picks the  basic problem is that it is all wavy Severe enough for me to just pin it to the wall (it will not stay flat like a bubble) and for an 8x10 size sheet that is not right plus he uses really thin cotton material...  took some picks of the other sheets I had planned for LB...

(http://www.chubbycharlies.com/images/ads/IMG_7762.JPG)
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(http://www.chubbycharlies.com/images/ads/IMG_7765.JPG)
(http://www.chubbycharlies.com/images/ads/IMG_7764.JPG)
(http://www.chubbycharlies.com/images/ads/IMG_7763.JPG)
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Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on June 11, 2011, 01:05:52 PM
Yep I would say the same. He sent my poster back unprotected (no plastic or anything) and it rained and the package got damp and the poster all wavy....

Yet more evidence that this guy is a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on April 30, 2012, 01:54:27 PM
Yep I would say the same. He sent my poster back unprotected (no plastic or anything) and it rained and the package got damp and the poster all wavy....

And to think he did the touch up work to that ZOMBIE FLESH EATERS quad that recently sold on ebay for $1396.00  :o


Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: paul waines on April 30, 2012, 02:39:43 PM
That's if that linen-backed Flesh eaters was a Quad. There's a fellow selling High Quality re-pros that are a full 30x40, it may well have been one of these backed to hide what it really is....

I do hope whoever paid that ridiculous amount has a good look at what he's bought ....if they know what they are looking for. eyeroll 
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on April 30, 2012, 05:30:28 PM
That's if that linen-backed Flesh eaters was a Quad. There's a fellow selling High Quality re-pros that are a full 30x40, it may well have been one of these backed to hide what it really is....

I do hope whoever paid that ridiculous amount has a good look at what he's bought ....if they know what they are looking for. eyeroll 

I never thought about that, Paul. Hope that wasn't the case with that particular copy. I have seen those other, full size repros out there. Fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on April 30, 2012, 06:25:37 PM
Diane Jeffrey and her artists at Studio Conservation, Inc (Studio C) in Vista Cal. are also spoken of with high regard:

http://www.atstudioc.com/


Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: TheAnswerMVP2001 on May 01, 2012, 03:16:01 PM
Kudos to Poster Mountain, they did a great job linen-backing my French Line for $175, including shipping.  They did minimal restoration, just fixed the ink spots on Russell's face from the stamp on the back.

(http://posternirvana.com/0DNE/French-Line-linen.jpg)

They must have raised their prices.  They quoted me $150 just to linen back a small French poster 24x32 then $125 an hour for any restoration estimated 187.50 of restoration.  Poster Conservation quoted me $80 to linen back the same poster and about $200 for restoration.  I thought the restoration was pretty high on both, the poster had some tears and one missing piece but it was all in the border areas so there was very little image to be reproduced, aside of fold line separation the image itself was fine.  I've pretty much decided to leave it alone and frame it with a matte around the edges, since that's the worst area, maybe eventually I'll just linen back it and not bother restoring it, $80 seemed reasonable to linen back it, at least compared to $150.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: brude on May 02, 2012, 12:53:27 AM
Every time I see that FRENCH LINE poster I think of the after-effects of 5-Alarm Chili...
Think Jane burnt a hole through the backside of her rhinestone one-piece?
 hitself
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on May 02, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
Every time I see that FRENCH LINE poster I think of the after-effects of 5-Alarm Chili...
Think Jane burnt a hole through the backside of her rhinestone one-piece?
 hitself


 laugh1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: brude on May 02, 2012, 02:50:46 PM
That was really rude and inconsiderate of me.
FRENCH LINE is a fine poster.
I've just had a shitty last couple of weeks is all.
 cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Bruce on May 02, 2012, 03:47:13 PM
I think you mean it is "shitty of Jane", given her pose
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on May 02, 2012, 04:23:27 PM
Every time I see that FRENCH LINE poster I think of the after-effects of 5-Alarm Chili...
Think Jane burnt a hole through the backside of her rhinestone one-piece?
 hitself


Definitely what inspired the artist!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: brude on May 02, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x159/debgram_2000/Funny%20Cat%20Photos/in-aunt-marths-chilli-again.jpg)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on May 02, 2012, 05:22:37 PM
Definitely what inspired the artist!

And Jane's expression does fit Ted's comparative, too.   ;D
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on May 02, 2012, 05:30:18 PM
Another restorer/backer that I personally cannot recommend is Debi Jacobson (L'imagery Gallery) in North Hollywood, CA.

It was because of my experience with her, that I found Poster Mountain.  thumbup

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: brude on May 02, 2012, 05:45:56 PM
Another restorer/backer that I personally cannot recommend is Debi Jacobson (L'imagery Gallery) in North Hollywood, CA.

You mean this person?
Steve got her number...unfortunately for him.

http://www.nameandshameyou.com/ (http://www.nameandshameyou.com/)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on May 02, 2012, 06:08:24 PM
You mean this person?
Steve got her number...unfortunately for him.

http://www.nameandshameyou.com/ (http://www.nameandshameyou.com/)

I am sure there was a whole debate about this when Steve first posted this page and issue with Debi.

But just for the sake of stirring things up - is a poster near mint when it's been restored to appearing to be in near mint condition?

Discuss and have fun...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: brude on May 02, 2012, 06:21:19 PM

But just for the sake of stirring things up - is a poster near mint when it's been restored to appearing to be in near mint condition?


                                                                                               (http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu12/brude2000/GIFS/youspinmevs2.gif)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on May 02, 2012, 09:47:43 PM
                                                                                               (http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu12/brude2000/GIFS/youspinmevs2.gif)

Yeah that's what I was hoping for ;)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on May 02, 2012, 11:02:29 PM
You mean this person?
Steve got her number...unfortunately for him.

http://www.nameandshameyou.com/ (http://www.nameandshameyou.com/)

Yep Ted, that would be her (and her "mystery," unnamed restorer).

 ;)

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: jayn_j on May 03, 2012, 08:38:51 AM
I am sure there was a whole debate about this when Steve first posted this page and issue with Debi.

But just for the sake of stirring things up - is a poster near mint when it's been restored to appearing to be in near mint condition?

Discuss and have fun...

I like Bruce's solution where he posts the pre-and post restoration condition.

I got a better question/rant though.  Should the age and rarity of a poster affect its CONDITION.

I personally have no problem saying that there are no "near mint" copies of The Gold Rush or some other 191x poster.  They are all brittle, yellowed and have fold tears.  By the same token, should a poster from a 2005 romantic comedy be rated "poor" if it simply has a 2" tear in the border?

IMO, condition should be an absolute and the content of the poster should be irrelevant.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Bruce on May 03, 2012, 08:45:45 AM
Jay, here we just disagree. Not only do I grade differently based on age, but also on type of poster.

For example, most Australian daybills are in pretty nice condition, so I grade them on a very tough scale, or else you would see "very good to fine" or "fine" on just about all of them.

And Mexican posters are mostly in lousy shape, due to the paper they were printed on, with many brittle and brown. So I grade them on a more lenient scale, or else you would see "fair" or "poor" on just about all of them.

And grading one of a million BLADE RUNNER one-sheets on exactly the same scale as one of the two known THE GOLD RUSH one-sheets just doesn't make sense to me.

It seems to me that this helps collectors more than using an "absolute" scale (and of course I make it clear that this is what I do, and that is vital to doing this).

Bruce
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: ozcinemagic on May 04, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
I think most experienced collectors would expect grading in the context of the piece being described. A certain amount of deterioration becomes 'patina', rather than any fault. Heavy foxing on a poster only twenty years old is a bit different, imho.
I like Bruce's approach.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Ari on May 04, 2012, 11:20:56 PM
a finger print on some super high gloss modern poster is worse than a border nick in a vintage item
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on May 04, 2012, 11:24:57 PM
a finger print on some super high gloss modern poster is worse than a border nick in a vintage item

True dat
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on November 24, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
I am sure there was a whole debate about this when Steve first posted this page and issue with Debi.

But just for the sake of stirring things up - is a poster near mint when it's been restored to appearing to be in near mint condition?

Discuss and have fun...

Good question, Chris, and IMO, no, a poster that was restored to "appear" as mint is just that. If a poster is called mint/near mint, at the time it comes off the press, then one that has had significant work should only ever be described as "appearing" near mint, what with any paper fills, fold tear mends and color retouching it may have been given, at the time of its restoration.  ;)


Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Tikbalang on November 30, 2012, 11:05:07 AM
Hi there! I'm planning to get some of my French large format posters linen-backed. I just came across this studio from Portland and they are cheap plus they give out bulk discounts. Here's their site:

http://www.affichestudio.com/services--prices

the owner's name is Jason Leonard. Just wondering if any of you guys have had any posters done by him and would you recommend his studio?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on November 30, 2012, 11:17:11 AM
Welcome to APF!  Personally, I have not come across this particular restorer before but I am sure someone here has...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Tikbalang on November 30, 2012, 11:41:29 AM
Thanks! Glad to be here  ;D
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on November 30, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
Welcome Tikbalang,

Jason's website and info are very well presented and laid out.

And his selection of Before and After images certainly show what looks to be fine work.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Tikbalang on December 01, 2012, 08:37:48 AM
Thanks! I'll be sending him a French large format just to 'test the waters',i'm before and after pics when i get back the poster.  :)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: brude on December 01, 2012, 09:06:46 AM
Welcome aboard, Tikbalang.
We look forward to seeing your collection and the before and after resto pics.
 cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on December 04, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
Not sure who did this "restore" but it would be good to know, and to most likely stay away from him/her like the plague. Whoever did this work, decided to apply paint to the ENTIRE blank background, with a coat of paint so thick, that it is now chipping and falling away, as tho it were on a plaster wall.

This is atrocious to say the least. Hopefully, the paint is water based, so that it could be washed off and original paper beneath could again be revealed.

(http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1624.0;attach=6140;image)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on December 04, 2012, 10:08:03 PM
Yes such a shame Jeff since it's such a rare style.  I wonder how tanned the paper is underneath to warrant that kind of paint?!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on December 04, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
And what I would like to know, too, Chris, is, even if the paper was a bit tanned with age, how did that warrant a coat of thickly applied paint?  It is a rare style, and I cant imagine the paper beneath being any more tan than that shade the "restorer" chose to slather it with.   :'(
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Charlie on December 04, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
I don't think it is paint.  I think it is varnish that adhered itself and has now cracked...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on December 04, 2012, 11:21:40 PM
Detail shots of the cracking and chipping areas.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8064/8245500867_04e117a51f_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8059/8245500903_f6fbe21b74.jpg)

This piece sold tonight in Bruce's auction. Per the description:

"The poster had darkened and had many creases, scuffs, and stains scattered throughout, with pinholes, tears, and areas of paper loss around the edges. Some restorer thought the best solution was to repaint over all of the solid colored areas, but over time, that paint has dried out and chipped off in many places."

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Charlie on December 04, 2012, 11:28:44 PM
I still think it is varnish that yellowed...  It is most likely not water based...  It probably was applied like fixative - over the entire poster.  Just MO...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on December 04, 2012, 11:46:00 PM
Whether it is paint or varnish, this is certainly an example of how NOT to restore or conserve a poster.


Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Ari on December 04, 2012, 11:50:46 PM
The cracks go over the photographic art also, so I think varnish could be correct.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: CSM on December 04, 2012, 11:55:17 PM
I have a feeling it's not salvageable - looks like the entire poster was covered (in paint or varnish - whatever it is)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on December 05, 2012, 12:00:03 AM
And someone paid 702 smackers for it.

But it isnt a format that comes around very often, either.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: guest4251 on December 05, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
I think and it looks like it is paint. look closely. Looks like NNS bottom left been masked off at one point. If it was varnish, the person would have just coated the whole poster without masking.

Best,
dario.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Charlie on December 05, 2012, 12:23:28 PM
I think and it looks like it is paint. look closely. Looks like NNS bottom left been masked off at one point. If it was varnish, the person would have just coated the whole poster without masking.

Best,
dario.

I see that; good eye...  Why the paint though and why so thick?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on December 05, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
The "restorer" certainly picked a dark shade of paint, didnt he Dario?
 
And if you look at the small "This is the property of" wording just to the left of the NSS numbers, part of words in both lines look to have been painted over, as well. There is a gap (caused by a covered by paint) of part of the words (in line 1) "in connection" and the second line, a portion of the words, "immediately thereafter" is also covered.

As a non painted copy should look, by comparison:

(http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1624.0;attach=6142;image)

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Charlie on December 05, 2012, 12:39:50 PM
Maybe both.  He masked it off, painted and then varnished it.  I don't understand why areas through the face would crack the same as those areas painted.  If he had masked off everything but the white space the faces would not have cracked which means what ever was applied to the white space was also applied to the faces...  Oh well we will probably never know unless Dario gets to do the resto job...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: Charlie on December 05, 2012, 12:41:47 PM
(http://images.ha.com/lf?set=path%5B4%2F4%2F3%2F6%2F4436945%5D%2Csizedata%5B450x2000%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D)(http://www.emovieposter.com/images/moviestars/AA121127/550/half_sunset_boulevard_styleB_linen_JC06138_L.jpg)

There is definitely some overall changes to the poster not just specific areas.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on December 05, 2012, 12:42:55 PM
Remember too, that Bruce also mentioned that this had been rolled, after this 'restoration/conservation' had been completed. This certainly could have helped speed along the rippling and cracking, with so much of the paper made stiff by this coating.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on April 13, 2014, 03:54:34 PM
A definite and 'high five' and recommendation goes out to Mario Cueva and his company, Lumiere Poster Restoration (http://www.lumiereposterrestoration.com/) in southern California. He does very fine work, is knowledgeable and his turn around time is  thumbup, too.

And, on the flip side ... one to stay away from and avoid like the plague, (especially EU based collectors) is Alain Bourgouin (Poster Science), in Deal, Kent, UK. One's poster may languish in poster purgatory for months (if not longer) and get potentially mishandled or damaged while in his so-called "care."  

Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on May 15, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
This was posted a short time ago, on MOPO, from Todd Feiertag, re J.Fields Restoration, now known as Papersmith (http://papersmith.net/):

"After hearing about their shoddy work for years and after they destroyed, yes destroyed a good friend's MINT 3 Sheet, I've never used this company.

But now another good friend who's been trying to get his poster back from them for weeks, who's had to hound them, calling and emailing them many times and even getting in touch with their building management, with no response whatsoever, finally got a response yesterday in only a tracking number. 

No apology, just a tracking number.   

This is from a customer who was kind enough to donate money to Field's after they were flooded out several years ago.  Of course after this horrible experience, he will never deal with them again!  They never even restored the poster!!

Here's another company who doesn't know how to treat their customers.  Another business where incompetence has run rampant, without accountability and refuses to take responsibility for their actions.

I don't know if anyone here actually uses them but if you haven't and are thinking of using them, be WARNED!

Todd Feiertag/POSTER CITY"
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: AjTheGreat on May 16, 2014, 11:52:50 AM
This was posted a short time ago, on MOPO, from Todd Feiertag, re J.Fields Restoration, now known as Papersmith (http://papersmith.net/):

"After hearing about their shoddy work for years and after they destroyed, yes destroyed a good friend's MINT 3 Sheet, I've never used this company.

But now another good friend who's been trying to get his poster back from them for weeks, who's had to hound them, calling and emailing them many times and even getting in touch with their building management, with no response whatsoever, finally got a response yesterday in only a tracking number. 

No apology, just a tracking number.   

This is from a customer who was kind enough to donate money to Field's after they were flooded out several years ago.  Of course after this horrible experience, he will never deal with them again!  They never even restored the poster!!

Here's another company who doesn't know how to treat their customers.  Another business where incompetence has run rampant, without accountability and refuses to take responsibility for their actions.

I don't know if anyone here actually uses them but if you haven't and are thinking of using them, be WARNED!

Todd Feiertag/POSTER CITY"


Thats terrible.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: erik1925 on May 16, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
And I used to hear and read good things about this company, especially before they moved and were in Philadelphia. A number of people, including Tom Pennock used them and liked their work and prices. I recall Tom's biggest complaint, when I emailed and asked him about J Fields, was their extremely slow turn around time.

Too bad. I wonder what has happened with the company.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on June 05, 2014, 03:18:39 PM
The "Restorers to Recommend and Avoid" thread was merged with this one, that was started first, (by a month, and my thread title was just plain boring)....  ;D

Plus, there's no need for 2 threads on exactly the same topic.

Ever forward.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on June 05, 2014, 05:45:42 PM
Nice work Jeff, glad your on the ball...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 05, 2015, 01:22:32 PM
This is just a continuation from my experience with Jaime Mendez Restoration, aka restorationbyJM.com, that I mentioned in the Before and After [Show Off Your Restoration] thread. http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4517.msg184949.html#msg184949 (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4517.msg184949.html#msg184949)

Although several people seem to think that JM is the Mr. Wizard of restoration, in my experience, that is clearly not the case.  In the brief review on the other thread, that I mentioned right after receiving the poster, I was overly generous on the whole experience with JM.  

After closely looking at the restoration, and as others mentioned in that thread, the quality of work from JM was sub-par, at best.  In addition to the shoddy work, the customer service from JM was also not good.  

Here is a summary of my experience with JM:
JM and I had chatted briefly via email, and I mentioned that I had sent a poster, and asked that he contact me when he received it.  That way, I could confirm that he received it, and we could talk about any work.  After he received it, he didn't contact me, so I waited a few days, then sent him an email, mentioning a few things I'd like done with the work.  Almost a week later, I still had not heard from them, so I called and the woman I spoke with said they would call me back.  The next day, she called me back and said the restoration was done, and I asked if they could send a photo of the work.  The next day they sent me an invoice saying it was all packaged and ready to go, and there was no photo.  

Maybe they forgot to take a photo, which likely would have shown the damages and shoddy work, or maybe they were not being honest about the damage they caused, and the sub-par work.

There was also an issue with the return shipping, and JM said it was the fault of USPS for not updating the tracking info.  I waited over a week for a 2-day priority mail package to be delivered, and the tracking info. had not been updated the entire time.

Looking back on it, it was far from a good experience.  The times I've dealt with Poster Mountain and Poster Conservation, we were in communication the whole time, and everything went smoothly.  It shows their character and quality of customer service.  Of course the quality of work is important, and PM, PC, and likely other folks, are excellent in all respects.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 05, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
JM should re-back that poster for you, Brandon, at NO CHARGE, to correct those creases he caused at the top of the poster. Of course, that wont remove the scratch they did, but maybe it would retouched in a manner worthy of someone with his years of experience, vs. it looking like a Chris Cloutier "quick swipe" of a green marker.

And he should cover the postage cost to send it both ways.

I would bet that none of that will be forthcoming from him, tho.  :-\

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 05, 2015, 01:44:15 PM
JM should re-back that poster for you, Brandon, at NO CHARGE, to correct those creases he caused at the top of the poster. Of course, that wont remove the scratch they did, but maybe it would retouched in a manner worthy of someone with his years of experience, vs. it looking like a Chris Cloutier "quick swipe" of a green marker.

And he should cover the postage cost to send it both ways.

I would bet that none of that will be forthcoming from him, tho.  :-\



It's not worth the time or energy to send it back to him.  Hopefully PayPal will see the obvious and settle the claim.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 05, 2015, 01:56:08 PM
It's not worth the time or energy to send it back to him.  Hopefully PayPal will see the obvious and settle the claim.

No, I know.

It was more the "in a perfect world" idea and thinking.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on September 06, 2015, 12:31:26 PM
Well, one thing's for certain, I will not send him my Frankie 6-sheet for backing.

In fact, I won't even send him my wrinkled Justin Bieber poster, either.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on September 06, 2015, 02:16:54 PM
It's unfortunate you were not provided a photo before the poster was sent back to you.

In my experience, I would never conclude the transaction with the restorer until I had photos of the finished work.  On a couple of occasions this has allowed me to spot some slight oversights in the work that I was able to point out and have corrected very quickly prior to getting the posters back to me.  Saves a lot of hassle in the end...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 06, 2015, 02:39:32 PM
It's unfortunate you were not provided a photo before the poster was sent back to you.

In my experience, I would never conclude the transaction with the restorer until I had photos of the finished work.  On a couple of occasions this has allowed me to spot some slight oversights in the work that I was able to point out and have corrected very quickly prior to getting the posters back to me.  Saves a lot of hassle in the end...

Yeah, it makes sense to see a photo to review the work, before finalizing the transaction.  

In this case, it's highly possible that Jaime Mendez was intentionally being deceptive, and not forthright about the damage and shoddy work they did, as the damages are permanent.  The huge crease during the backing that was bad enough that they had to touch up the entire crease, and the huge and mismatched touch ups on the fold lines and the large scratch or whatever they caused, etc.

In the future, I'll always ask for the restorer to send a photo pre-resto and post-resto.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on September 06, 2015, 03:30:45 PM

In the future, I'll always ask for the restorer to send a photo pre-resto and post-resto.


Yep - like everyone has said - an unfortunate situation all around.  And all one can do is try to avoid that happening in the future
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 11, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Yeah, it makes sense to see a photo to review the work, before finalizing the transaction.  

In this case, it's highly possible that Jaime Mendez was intentionally being deceptive, and not forthright about the damage and shoddy work they did, as the damages are permanent.  The huge crease during the backing that was bad enough that they had to touch up the entire crease, and the huge and mismatched touch ups on the fold lines and the large scratch or whatever they caused, etc.

In the future, I'll always ask for the restorer to send a photo pre-resto and post-resto.


Hey Brandon..

Any updates on this front? Hope it's working out in your favor.  cheers

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 11, 2015, 08:28:55 PM
Hey Brandon..

Any updates on this front? Hope it's working out in your favor.  cheers



Thanks, brother.

I'm still waiting on PayPal to finish reviewing the case.  It may be another few weeks.  I'm confident that once they see the pre-resto and post-resto photos that I uploaded to the claim, showing the damage and shoddy work, that they will issue me a refund.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 11, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
Thanks, brother.

I'm still waiting on PayPal to finish reviewing the case.  It may be another few weeks.  I'm confident that once they see the pre-resto and post-resto photos that I uploaded to the claim, showing the damage and shoddy work, that they will issue me a refund.

Ditto... It should be a shoe-in, my man.

I dont have any doubt.

But good vibes are still being sent your way, in any case.

 cool1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on September 11, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
I am surprised it has to go to a paypal dispute.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 11, 2015, 11:50:55 PM
I am surprised it has to go to a paypal dispute.

So true, Ari.

Seems to show what JM is truly all about.  gun1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 12, 2015, 12:05:33 AM
I am surprised it has to go to a paypal dispute.

Jaime's record speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 12, 2015, 12:08:38 AM
Jaime's record speaks for itself.

It's UNIVERSAL!

 :P
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 15, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
Not to turn this whole thread into a saga about my experience with JM, but in case anyone is wondering how this is going...

It's hard to believe, but PayPal denied my claim.  They said that with a service, such as this, since the seller did the service, the buyer can't win a claim, as the service was completed.  I basically said "the service ultimately damaged my item."  They said I could file a claim with my credit card company.

I emailed Jaime and told him that since PayPal did not resolve the issue, I expect a refund for the "restoration," otherwise I would file a claim with my credit card company.

He replied and said it's "unfortunate" that I was uncooperative with them (when I didn't respond to their email after I filed a claim), and now I'm "harassing the company" (by asking for a refund.)  He did offer to fix the poster if I return it.

Maybe he could make a few of the damages and shoddy work a little better, although of course, it's not possible to undo the damage caused, and it's possible that they will do more damage to it if they work on it again.  A part of me wants to see what Mr. Wizard can do with this restoration...errr...repair (of his own work)... so I may send it back to him.


Anyway, thanks for your thoughts in this difficult time.   girly2.gif  :P
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 15, 2015, 03:08:13 PM
Good luck Brandon on whatever you choose to be your next step.

I'm sure if you reported this to your CC company and explained that your item was damaged by the one you paid to repair it, they would refund your $$. And that PP denied you, really is a bummer.

Are you saying that JM said YOU are now harassing he and his company by asking for (at minimum) a partial refund?  moron1

And, if you do send it back to him, once again, who is paying for the shipping there and back? He SHOULD offer to cover that, without a doubt.

And even then, I might still debate on sending it back, for fear of more (or less than professional and sloppy re-re touch ups).

Keep us posted, Brandon.

In the end, you will prevail here.

 cheers

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 15, 2015, 03:28:27 PM
Good luck Brandon on whatever you choose to be your next step.

I'm sure if you reported this to your CC company and explained that your item was damaged by the one you paid to repair it, they would refund your $$. And that PP denied you, really is a bummer.

Are you saying that JM said YOU are now harassing he and his company by asking for (at minimum) a partial refund?  moron1

And, if you do send it back to him, once again, who is paying for the shipping there and back? He SHOULD offer to cover that, without a doubt.

And even then, I might still debate on sending it back, for fear of more (or less than professional and sloppy re-re touch ups).

Keep us posted, Brandon.

In the end, you will prevail here.

 cheers



Yeah, the exact words are ...you proceeded to resolve the issue with Paypal. Since it didn't go in your favor you proceed to harass the company.

It's incredible that someone would call that "harassment."  I told them all the issues with their work, and simply asked for a refund, and let them know how I planned to proceed.

At this point, it's a tough call; whether to give the guy a second chance, or just file a claim.  Anyway, I'll let y'all know how it goes.

 cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 15, 2015, 03:31:36 PM
It is a bit of a tough call, tho with him replying to you like that, I would go straight to the CC company, get ALL your money back, and not let him lay his hands on the poster again.

Then, with the money back with you, you could opt to have it re-worked on by someone that you felt could do the best job.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on September 15, 2015, 03:53:17 PM
I can't find earlier comments from you on this.
any pics & info?

Not to turn this whole thread into a saga about my experience with JM, but in case anyone is wondering how this is going...

It's hard to believe, but PayPal denied my claim.  They said that with a service, such as this, since the seller did the service, the buyer can't win a claim, as the service was completed.  I basically said "the service ultimately damaged my item."  They said I could file a claim with my credit card company.

I emailed Jaime and told him that since PayPal did not resolve the issue, I expect a refund for the "restoration," otherwise I would file a claim with my credit card company.

He replied and said it's "unfortunate" that I was uncooperative with them (when I didn't respond to their email after I filed a claim), and now I'm "harassing the company" (by asking for a refund.)  He did offer to fix the poster if I return it.

Maybe he could make a few of the damages and shoddy work a little better, although of course, it's not possible to undo the damage caused, and it's possible that they will do more damage to it if they work on it again.  A part of me wants to see what Mr. Wizard can do with this restoration...errr...repair (of his own work)... so I may send it back to him.


Anyway, thanks for your thoughts in this difficult time.   girly2.gif  :P
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 15, 2015, 03:59:06 PM
I can't find earlier comments from you on this.
any pics & info?


It starts here: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4517.msg184949.html#msg184949 (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4517.msg184949.html#msg184949)

And continues here: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1624.msg185270.html#msg185270 (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1624.msg185270.html#msg185270)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on September 15, 2015, 06:29:34 PM
Part of me thinks you should give him a shot at repairing it, all expenses paid.

But, the rest of me thinks a CC refund is safer.
Then take the bucks and send it off to a pro (Dario).

In any event, the damage he has done to his own business will be hard for him to calculate.
Who'd risk sending their poster to him after reading this thread?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 15, 2015, 06:42:20 PM
Part of me thinks you should give him a shot at repairing it, all expenses paid.

But, the rest of me thinks a CC refund is safer.
Then take the bucks and send it off to a pro (Dario).

In any event, the damage he has done to his own business will be hard for him to calculate.
Who'd risk sending their poster to him after reading this thread?

Not me...  uhno
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on September 15, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Maybe I missed it but Jaime didn't offer to fix it or make some kind of restitution prior to you filing the Paypal claim?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Crazy Vick on September 15, 2015, 11:11:20 PM
Do you think you'll get much further with the cc company? Send him this thread, which has been viewed 13,512 times.  Jeff can provide more metrics on APF membership, how many visitors per week etc.  Send him all that, and tell him that all you want is for A- him is to either fix it (on his dime) or B- provide a partial refund.  better yet give him a buzz nothing goes over well by email. I'm sure he'll make good on it to both of your satisfaction.  He wont want to lose potential customers down the road for a mere 50 bucks.

Anyway the poster i think still looks awesome, chicks dig it and will not notice that area at all. Put into perspective its not like that lady who ruined a fresco!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/08/elderly-woman-ruins-19th-century-fresco-in-restoration-attempt/
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 15, 2015, 11:47:35 PM
I hear y'all about taking the money and running.  That is, of course, if the credit card claim goes well, or I can convince JM to issue at least a partial refund.

Chris, I didn't talk with JM before filing the PayPal claim.  At the time, I really wasn't interested in sending it back to him, or haggling over a refund.

At this point, I think it may be best to allow him to work his magic, and potentially redeem himself.  The fact that he is offering to try to repair it says something.

Thanks, Vick.  Most chicks I know are more into something like the Heavy Metal art featuring Den, but yeah, it's still a rad piece, and luckily not like that fresco.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on September 15, 2015, 11:52:34 PM
He better re-educate his employees as well.
That BS about shipping without pics and tracking is unacceptable.
Turns me the right the hell off.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 15, 2015, 11:53:44 PM
I hear y'all about taking the money and running.  That is, of course, if the credit card claim goes well, or I can convince JM to issue at least a partial refund.

Chris, I didn't talk with JM before filing the PayPal claim.  At the time, I really wasn't interested in sending it back to him, or haggling over a refund.

At this point, I think it may be best to allow him to work his magic, and potentially redeem himself.  The fact that he is offering to try to repair it says something.

Thanks, Vick.  Most chicks I know are more into something like the Heavy Metal art featuring Den, but yeah, it's still a rad piece, and luckily not like that fresco.

Just be sure you don't pay ANOTHER dime to him, Brandon -- and that includes the shipping $ to him and his mailing it back to you.

He should cover ALL of those associated costs, for all this time and trouble that his lackluster, damaging work has caused you.

(Just me 2¢ here).  ;)



Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 16, 2015, 07:14:43 PM
I decided to send this poster back to JM to have him try to repair it.  Here is where the plot thickens...

After sending it, I discovered that it's actually 4 people who do most of the linen backing at JM Restoration and Conservation.  It's safe to say that on my Humanoids poster, Jaime did not do the damages and shoddy work, himself, and he probably doesn't do most of the restorations (good or bad) that leave his shop.


In any case, I asked the person I spoke with for Jaime to call me, so I can speak with him directly about all the issues with the restoration and everything.


mesmrized

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 16, 2015, 07:38:39 PM
And in sending the poster back, you have now paid a 2nd time for shipping -- this time, costing even more, as the poster is heavier, now that it is backed. (Or maybe he offered to reimburse you this cost?)

Man, I hope he does you right, Brandon, with these added costs to you, and all.

 prayer.gif
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on September 16, 2015, 11:42:16 PM

After sending it, I discovered that it's actually 4 people who do most of the linen backing at JM Restoration and Conservation.  It's safe to say that on my Humanoids poster, Jaime did not do the damages and shoddy work, himself, and he probably doesn't do most of the restorations (good or bad) that leave his shop.


Just as I suspected.  But of course his name is still on the product and if things were being done correctly he should be reviewing and giving the final OK before anything is sent back to a customer...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on September 16, 2015, 11:45:41 PM
Just as I suspected.  But of course his name is still on the product and if things were being done correctly he should be reviewing and giving the final OK before anything is sent back to a customer...

Damn straight.
His frickin name is all over it.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 18, 2015, 08:03:49 PM
Damn straight.
His frickin name is all over it.


Indeed.

With the company name "Jaime Mendez Restorations," among other reasons, I figured that Jaime does most of the work there, himself.  I had not seen the video of Mr. Castillo, in the other thread, and it seems that many of us did not know who all does the work there.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In any case, I spoke with Jaime Mendez Jr. today, and he seems like a nice guy.  He is one of the folks who works there, and he assured me that he will do his best to fix the issues with the restoration.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 18, 2015, 11:39:25 PM
Indeed.

With the company name "Jaime Mendez Restorations," among other reasons, I figured that Jaime does most of the work there, himself.  I had not seen the video of Mr. Castillo, in the other thread, and it seems that many of us did not know who all does the work there.

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In any case, I spoke with Jaime Mendez Jr. today, and he seems like a nice guy.  He is one of the folks who works there, and he assured me that he will do his best to fix the issues with the restoration.

Brandon, I hope that comment of his equates to them doing the work over to remove those long creases, that were caused by their poor linen backing job as well as the bad touch ups done to the scratches that THEY caused. Anything less should be unacceptable to you.

Plus the shipping costs for the re-mailing, to and from them, this second time around.

No additional nickels from your pocket should be spent on this poster job.



Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 19, 2015, 12:15:33 AM
Since they said they would repair it and send it back to me, even after the PayPal claim and all, I figured it would be a good gesture for me to send it to them without haggling about the shipping cost.  However, I know what you mean, and you're right that I should not (and will not) pay for additional work.

JM Jr. went into detail about what he will do to repair it, and I'm staying positive that he will do a good job.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 19, 2015, 12:31:47 AM
Here's hoping for the best, Brandon.  prayer.gif

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: 50s on September 19, 2015, 01:00:07 AM
Hey, to those that appreciate my help and are in a similar circumstance, I'll list the shonky seller/ restorer on my  http://nameandshameyou.com/ (http://nameandshameyou.com/) website. I've had refunds through PayPal in minutes from just subtly letting them know they could be featured there
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 19, 2015, 01:04:51 AM
Great site you set up there, Steve..

As the Jacobson debacle still resonates loudly, since we both had dealings with that dishonest individual, back in the day.  moron1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 23, 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Hey, to those that appreciate my help and are in a similar circumstance, I'll list the shonky seller/ restorer on my  http://nameandshameyou.com/ (http://nameandshameyou.com/) website. I've had refunds through PayPal in minutes from just subtly letting them know they could be featured there

Seems like that would be a good way to compel people to do the right thing.  piratemel


On the Humanoids restoration, I spoke with a couple people at JMR yesterday.  They said they're going to remove the backing, wash the poster, put a new backing on it, and Mr. Castillo, as seen in the other video, is going to do the restoration work.

I'll post a photo of the new work when it is completed.

 pcorn
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 23, 2015, 12:29:34 PM
Seems like that would be a good way to compel people to do the right thing.  piratemel


On the Humanoids restoration, I spoke with a couple people at JMR yesterday.  They said they're going to remove the backing, wash the poster, put a new backing on it, and Mr. Castillo, as seen in the other video, is going to do the restoration work.

I'll post a photo of the new work when it is completed.

 pcorn

Great to read, Brandon! A complete redo, is the way to do it, and to remove those creases and added crinkles that JMR caused in the first place.

Good for you!

 cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 23, 2015, 12:38:35 PM
Thanks, Jeff.   cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Mirosae on September 23, 2015, 05:57:40 PM
All the best Brandon. I went through a very stressful time with my resto on a couple of times. I can fully understand your fustration. I hope they can fix it.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 23, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
Thanks, Rosa.   cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 24, 2015, 12:08:35 AM
Brandon, you should ask for pics after the new work is done and BEFORE they ship it off to you, (along with detail shots of the 'trouble areas'), to make sure they did what they said they were going to do. Sounds harsh, maybe, but after that first mishap, I know I would be asking to see the final result, while still in their hands, vs. opening a tube with a not-so-happy surprise.

cheers,  my man.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on September 25, 2015, 04:09:38 PM
Brandon, you should ask for pics after the new work is done and BEFORE they ship it off to you, (along with detail shots of the 'trouble areas'), to make sure they did what they said they were going to do. Sounds harsh, maybe, but after that first mishap, I know I would be asking to see the final result, while still in their hands, vs. opening a tube with a not-so-happy surprise.

cheers,  my man.



They said they are going to email me a detailed pic when the work is complete, hopefully next week.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on September 25, 2015, 04:23:24 PM
Right on!

 cool1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on September 26, 2015, 11:52:28 PM
Happy to hear that the situation should be resolved satisfactorily.  Of course it would have been much better if it had not come to this at all in the first place!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on October 02, 2015, 04:10:55 PM
Happy to hear that the situation should be resolved satisfactorily.  Of course it would have been much better if it had not come to this at all in the first place!

Indeed.



I received this one for Humanoids from JMR, as mentioned here http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4517.msg187812.html#msg187812  (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4517.msg187812.html#msg187812)

They took much better care with their work this time, and addressed all the issues with their previous work.

In hindsight, it could have been a little less of a saga, as I could have just sent it right back to them.  However, frankly speaking, the work and customer service from the first run with this restoration left me with little confidence that it would be different if I sent it back to them.

Although this second experience with JMR was not perfect, several of the issues were better this time.  There was something not right with the shipping, both times, as they sent me a tracking number, and the tracking status was not updated until the package arrived at my local post office.  It just said "Pre-shipment info. sent to USPS."  The first time, the package took over a week for a 2-day Priority Mail service, and this time it arrived on the expected day, but having no updates is annoying, and apparently JMR does not know the reason that happened.


This concludes my saga with JMR.  Thanks for your thoughts and advice with this.

 cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 02, 2015, 04:29:01 PM
Good to read, Brandon.

Re the tracking updates or lack thereof. I have had that too, recently. And that really is the fault of the USPS. Ive called and asked, and the USPS reps told me that it is due to sheer laziness by employees who routinely forget to scan the tracking number into the system, as the parcel moves along.

Ive even had things delivered here, but according to the USPS tracking page, still shows an item as having arrived at the LA sorting facility. Annoying for sure.

But glad it all worked out for you in the end.

 cool1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on October 03, 2015, 02:12:16 PM
Good to read, Brandon.

Re the tracking updates or lack thereof. I have had that too, recently. And that really is the fault of the USPS. Ive called and asked, and the USPS reps told me that it is due to sheer laziness by employees who routinely forget to scan the tracking number into the system, as the parcel moves along.

Ive even had things delivered here, but according to the USPS tracking page, still shows an item as having arrived at the LA sorting facility. Annoying for sure.

But glad it all worked out for you in the end.

 cool1

I've never had the problem with anyone other than JMR.  The woman at JMR said that they watched the mail carrier scan the package when he picked it up, yet there was no record of that scan or any other, until it arrived at my local post office.  On three different occasions, I spoke with a supervisor at USPS customer service, and they all said that they've never heard of the only update being the "pre-shipment info. sent to USPS."  All of them also said that there should have at least been a "package received by USPS" update, and the reason that update was not there was probably because there was something wrong with the bar code on the package.  Ultimately, when it arrived at the local post office, they would have to manually enter the info. in order to deliver it.

Basically, this all leads to there being some issue with the barcode and/or label that JMR printed, as there is an extremely low likelihood that all those checkpoints between here and California, that would have scanned the label, which would have updated the tracking, did not work both times.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 03, 2015, 02:21:31 PM
Sounds like JMR may have printed labels that were not sharp and clear, then, if BOTH times this happened with them.

All i was meaning tho, too, is that I have had any number of parcels that have shown as being initially scanned, from the seller's location, and then seen nothing on the USPS tracking page, until it has literally been delivered to me, with no updates in between departure and delivery.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: jedgerley on October 03, 2015, 02:23:29 PM
side note: I could swear USPS priority used to update at every Hub along its journey but now its only updates for "shipping label created," the initial scan once dropped off at post office, and once its delivered.  Am I tripping? Paying more for less service.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 03, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
side note: I could swear USPS priority used to update at every Hub along its journey but now its only updates once delivered.  Am I tripping? Paying more for less service.

They are supposed to. And when i called to complain about that.. asking what good a tracking number was, if no one was bothering to scan it, along the way, the only thing the woman said to me is that "Some workers dont bother to scan it when it arrives at their location. Sorry about that."  Grrrrrrrrr.

Not the answer i was hoping for, but it explains a lot!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: jedgerley on October 03, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
oh and I had a problem when the post woman picks up from my house. often those dont update and dont get an arrival scan and the tracking updates only once delivered. I always drop tubes off at the post office now.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on October 03, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
The instances with a lack of tracking updates seems to be a more common issue than I had thought.



Not to re-open the box of worms with JMR, but after looking at this Humanoids poster a little more closely today and in brighter light, there are a few new, large touch-ups that I missed upon first look yesterday.

It must be something with the way JMR is doing the backing, causing what appears to be scratches, that need to be touched up.  Also, JMR left the tiny nicks and dings untouched.  When Poster Conservation did work on a few posters of mine, there were numerous dings and what not, and they touched up all those almost perfectly.  

Here are the new huge touch-ups, and all the minor little dings that can be seen in good lighting.

(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/NeoLoco80/Posters/DSC01504_zpsgvpzizsy.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/NeoLoco80/media/Posters/DSC01504_zpsgvpzizsy.jpg.html)

(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/NeoLoco80/Posters/DSC01506_zpsgrl2gw8f.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/NeoLoco80/media/Posters/DSC01506_zpsgrl2gw8f.jpg.html)


That is all.  I'll send work to Poster Conservation and Poster Mountain in the future.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 03, 2015, 03:05:12 PM
Brandon, just so i'm understanding correctly.. are you saying that large touched up area in photo #1 was NOT there, on the first go around, once you had gotten it back from JMR the first time?

So that is yet another (new) mark that they caused, that then had to be retouched over on this 2nd pass??
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on October 03, 2015, 03:20:42 PM
Brandon, just so i'm understanding correctly.. are you saying that large touched up area in photo #1 was NOT there, on the first go around, once you had gotten it back from JMR the first time?

So that is yet another (new) mark that they caused, that then had to be retouched over on this 2nd pass??

Yeah, those big blemishes were not there after the first backing.  They were definitely caused during the second go around.  I think that the person who did the backing is not doing something right.

I'm not going to pursue this any farther.  

It's cool that Mr. Castillo was able to make the initial problem areas much better, and the added scars add a little more character.  8)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 03, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
Yeah, those big blemishes were not there after the first backing.  They were definitely caused during the second go around.  I think that the person who did the backing is not doing something right.

I'm not going to pursue this any farther.  

It's cool that Mr. Castillo was able to make the initial problem areas a little better, and the added scars add a little more character.  8)

 cool1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on October 03, 2015, 03:30:37 PM
Sounds like JMR may have printed labels that were not sharp and clear, then, if BOTH times this happened with them.

All i was meaning tho, too, is that I have had any number of parcels that have shown as being initially scanned, from the seller's location, and then seen nothing on the USPS tracking page, until it has literally been delivered to me, with no updates in between departure and delivery.



You're probably on the right track with that assessment.  After thinking about it, when I picked this up at the post office, I saw that the supervisor had to actually open the plastic sleeve to scan the barcode.  It's highly possible that all the points in between JMR and the local post office did not do that, which of course would be the reason why there were no tracking updates.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on October 04, 2015, 05:15:49 PM
You're probably on the right track with that assessment.  After thinking about it, when I picked this up at the post office, I saw that the supervisor had to actually open the plastic sleeve to scan the barcode.  It's highly possible that all the points in between JMR and the local post office did not do that, which of course would be the reason why there were no tracking updates.

I don't think so.
The USPS takes the chain of custody very seriously.
When they can't capture a scan, they MUST type it in -- always.


Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on October 04, 2015, 11:21:25 PM
I am SO confused by this. As Ive said I have one poster done by Jaime but Ive seen his work on other posters (in person) and in all cases it was/is the BEST work I have ever seen. n my old One sheet its pretty much impossible to see where the wok was done, and I KNEW the poster before it was sent 9and it needed much more work than this german Humanoids).
The paper of the Humanoids also, isn't glossy, so it shouldn't be hard.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on October 05, 2015, 12:01:50 AM
I am SO confused by this. As Ive said I have one poster done by Jaime but Ive seen his work on other posters (in person) and in all cases it was/is the BEST work I have ever seen. n my old One sheet its pretty much impossible to see where the wok was done, and I KNEW the poster before it was sent 9and it needed much more work than this german Humanoids).
The paper of the Humanoids also, isn't glossy, so it shouldn't be hard.


Do you know those was done by Jaime, himself?

As I mentioned before, the person at JMR I spoke with said there are 4 people who do most of the backing and restoration at JMR, and Jaime only does special projects.    

I was also in disbelief of what they did with this Humanoids poster.  In the right lighting, that giant crease and all the other damages are really bad, although they did a decent job blending them all, the second time.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 05, 2015, 12:29:34 AM
Do you know those was done by Jaime, himself?

As I mentioned before, the person at JMR I spoke with said there are 4 people who do most of the backing and restoration at JMR, and Jaime only does special projects.    

I was also in disbelief of what they did with this Humanoids poster.  In the right lighting, that giant crease and all the other damages are really bad, although they did a decent job blending them all, the second time.

Brandon... Did they re-back your poster? Your comment above reads like those huge creases that JMR caused initially, on the first go around, are still present, and just blended more? Or am i reading your post wrong?

I sure hope they re-backed it for you (as they said they were going to do), to get rid of those creases from the bad backing job, the first time.

cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on October 05, 2015, 12:42:55 AM
Brandon... Did they re-back your poster? Your comment above reads like those huge creases that JMR caused initially, on the first go around, are still present, and just blended more? Or am i reading your post wrong?

I sure hope they re-backed it for you (as they said they were going to do), to get rid of those creases from the bad backing job, the first time.

cheers

Yeah, they re-backed it.  It's just that where the huge crease was, there are touch up marks going the entire length of it, they're just blended better.  That was actually the roughest work, and right down the middle of the title.

Here's the lower edge of where the crease was, after the second work they did.

 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/NeoLoco80/Posters/DSC01502_zpswdaiyjkz.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/NeoLoco80/media/Posters/DSC01502_zpswdaiyjkz.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 05, 2015, 12:57:15 AM
Thanks, for the explanation and the image, Brandon.

The proof is in the (re)work and image you provided.

 moron1

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on October 05, 2015, 01:04:37 AM
I don't know if Jaime did it personally,. I was under the impression he did, but to be honest I never asked. I thought (at the time) it was just him, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on October 12, 2015, 12:15:29 AM
Yeah, they re-backed it.  It's just that where the huge crease was, there are touch up marks going the entire length of it, they're just blended better.  That was actually the roughest work, and right down the middle of the title.

Here's the lower edge of where the crease was, after the second work they did.

 (http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/NeoLoco80/Posters/DSC01502_zpswdaiyjkz.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/NeoLoco80/media/Posters/DSC01502_zpswdaiyjkz.jpg.html)

Wow.
Remind me never to send my posters to these guys.

Are these the same dudes who did that ET job?

(http://neugo.com/image/et-advance-one-sheet-linen-backed-terrible-restoration-science-fiction-fantasy-drama-adventure-original-movie-poster.jpg)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on October 12, 2015, 12:16:16 AM
Bobs ET rules. Always will.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: brude on October 12, 2015, 12:18:45 AM
Sure does.
After ET, she went on to bigger and better things.

(http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/bad-painting-restoration.jpg)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on October 12, 2015, 01:12:54 AM
Sure does.
After ET, she went on to bigger and better things.

(http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/bad-painting-restoration.jpg)

And that, Ted, is the ultimate "retouch" job.  faint2.gif  How no one paid any attention & allowed that woman to put a brush to that fresco is beyond me.  moron1
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: jedgerley on December 02, 2015, 02:34:00 PM
To restore/preserve/back or not? That is my question.  has some paper loss etc.  I guess if I love it just do it? I fear it would be way too many hours at a resto rate that will add up to a bill that will make me  puke
conflicted about this one.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56630616/VMPF/New%20purchases/Itoka%20LeMonstre%20Des%20Galaxies.png)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on December 02, 2015, 02:38:01 PM
Jason.. why not lay it out with a protected layer and then weights (like books or a sheet of foam core and then the books) to help ease out the folds (if they bother you, that is)?

If that were mine, I would leave it as is.  :)

(How are the folds? Any breaks, splits, acid burn etc?)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: jedgerley on December 02, 2015, 03:57:57 PM
I guess...I think it would cost more than its worth. like over 1000 bucks here are more photos.  
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c2avkxv78oifj7i/AABPjb73VXFjKJsNW2bEbDKma?dl=0


(and I am probably posting in the wrong thread now), maybe we need a restoration thread on the main board to catch all the restoration, preservation, and backing topics on the forum?  is there one main area on the forum now for these discussions?  like putting the "show off your restoration" and other related topics under one roof?
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on December 02, 2015, 04:00:07 PM
(http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/bad-painting-restoration.jpg)

the hilarious thing about this restoration is that this small town's tourist trade has exploded as a result of it. That old lady did bad, but for the town she sure did good...
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: jedgerley on December 02, 2015, 04:04:33 PM
(http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/bad-painting-restoration.jpg)

the hilarious thing about this restoration is that this small town's tourist trade has exploded as a result of it. That old lady did bad, but for the town she sure did good...

and she is getting paid well for licensing lol!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Crazy Vick on February 01, 2016, 10:42:38 PM
Anyone ever have International Poster Gallery back any of their stuff? 

http://www.internationalposter.com/
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on February 02, 2016, 12:35:00 AM
Anyone ever have International Poster Gallery back any of their stuff? 

http://www.internationalposter.com/

Cool site, Vick.

They look to be primarily more a poster seller?

Great imagery, for sure.





Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: 50s on February 02, 2016, 12:46:17 AM
I have bought a poster from them before... the Gevaert poster (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,10428.msg197032.html#msg197032). It came linen backed so don't know if they backed it but I am happy with the poster and the backing it has.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on February 02, 2016, 12:47:39 AM
Beautious, Steve!!

 cheers
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Crazy Vick on February 02, 2016, 09:15:30 AM
I have bought a poster from them before... the Gevaert poster (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,10428.msg197032.html#msg197032). It came linen backed so don't know if they backed it but I am happy with the poster and the backing it has.

good to know, thanks.  I'd rather send the poster to Mario or something, but the extra shipping costs are brutal particularly right now with the loonie taking a beating.  The in-house job is an option I am considering.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Mirosae on February 03, 2016, 04:07:39 AM
Anyone ever have International Poster Gallery back any of their stuff? 

http://www.internationalposter.com/


Thanks Vick! I am a huge fan of these galleries, they give you immediate acces ( if local) and you can actually see posters in person rather than in pictures. I have come across posters which said nothing to me online but in real life look just outstanding. And the opposite is also true.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Huey Dewey on March 02, 2016, 01:03:13 PM
I don't know if anyone else has posted this, but it really is too funny! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI2sdf77vko - I'm very tempted to send in a square inch of a classic poster and ask for a "cosmetic restoration".
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 02, 2016, 01:17:19 PM
What always amazes me with Chris @ posterfix is how roughly he handles brittle paper. Pieces could flake off or break away and he would never know (and likely not care, either).

There actually is another video from his series where (i think it's his mother in law) is working on a poster and actually had a 3 inch piece come off on one side. What did she do with that torn piece? She dropped it to the floor, where it likely ended up in the trash can.  moron1

She's also the same person that infamously is seen (in another vid) using Elmer's Glue on a bullfighting poster she is "working" on. eyeroll

OMG!! that same woman is there slathering that poster with the pulp mixture, with the container sitting right on the poster!!!

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Neo on March 02, 2016, 01:37:12 PM
With these PosterFix videos, do y'all think that many of the viewers know what to expect, and then watch the video anyway.  :P  hitself faint2.gif
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 02, 2016, 01:40:12 PM
I like to watch them, knowing that there is a likely "poster train wreck" somewhere in the clip.  Doh.gif
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on March 02, 2016, 09:26:40 PM
So what's he latest concensious on a GOOD restorer ?
I am considering getting something done.
(Are pigs flying?)
It needs to be stabilised and some small splits at folds etc

I have a concern though

It's the only example of any paper I have ever seen in the title. I know there will be another somewhere but in the last 20 years it's the only one I have seen and searching brings nothing on it being sold on record ( on the net)
Should I back something that might be the only one? Aaergghhhhh
And what if there is a fiasco?

So hard to decide. 
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 02, 2016, 09:52:57 PM
So what's he latest concensious on a GOOD restorer ?
I am considering getting something done.
(Are pigs flying?)
It needs to be stabilised and some small splits at folds etc

I have a concern though

It's the only example of any paper I have ever seen in the title. I know there will be another somewhere but in the last 20 years it's the only one I have seen and searching brings nothing on it being sold on record ( on the net)
Should I back something that might be the only one? Aaergghhhhh
And what if there is a fiasco?

So hard to decide. 


I have a couple things that I have that have been the only one I have every seen online. One from 1927, the other from 1936. I had both backed to do just what you want to do, too, Ari. That was to have the 2 posters conserved and preserved. One was more brittle and would have begun to likely break apart at the cross folds, in time.

The other, I also backed simply to conserve it and help it to be in the most stable condition it could be, for its age.

I had both pieces backed, with NO retouching or color added to any fold lines etc. Each was simply washed, de-acidified and then backed. Nothing more.

What year is your poster from? And from what country?

The 2 pieces i had done--one is from France, the other, a pre war Belgian.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on March 02, 2016, 10:11:03 PM
40's quad
Trouble is I don't really like backed posters so much
and while I see it's important to preserve also somehow seems a shame if it's the only one ( though despite trying to find another this seems unlikely )
Saying that, Sim says he has never seen another.
I'd like to get it framed this year
It's the TO THE PUBLIC DANGER quad I am sure I have posted before by the way.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 02, 2016, 10:22:45 PM
40's quad
Trouble is I don't really like backed posters so much
and while I see it's important to preserve also somehow seems a shame if it's the only one ( though despite trying to find another this seems unlikely )
Saying that, Sim says he has never seen another.
I'd like to get it framed this year
It's the TO THE PUBLIC DANGER quad I am sure I have posted before by the way.


I know what you mean about backing. I'm more that feeling now. I had both of these done about 10 years ago and if could do it again, I might hold off. But the one was getting to the point that to even handle it in the slightest could have caused more damage, so I pulled the trigger and did it and the other one.

Re your quad. Its a cool looking piece. Is it a noir film? And u did post it a while back: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2007.msg30945.html#msg30945  ;)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519QPpVEL2L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on March 02, 2016, 10:26:22 PM
It's actually more of an anti drink driving film
Not much story. Some people meet in a pub and continue to drink and drive around the countryside in England and stop for more booze and drive some more until .....
I live the film. Love the director and HATE drink drivers. So it works for me.
Lucky it also has nice artwork.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 02, 2016, 10:38:34 PM
Ari, this is the French poster I was talking about, that was becoming so brittle to the touch (more so along the folds). I didn't even have the upper right corner replaced. I left it all as it was.

The Man Who Lived Twice (1936)

(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/spitfire3992/DSC04295_zpsaonnnn4o.jpg)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on March 02, 2016, 10:40:34 PM
Ohhh nice. And yeah those French posters are fragile with the acidity.
Good work.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Crazy Vick on March 03, 2016, 08:32:49 AM
Nice poster Jeff and a good decision on your part.  When it comes to the point where viewing your poster causes actual damage to it there's nothing wrong with backing it, which includes minor conservation like washing etc. 

I don't mind linen at all.  My bed sheets at home at 10 oz cotton duck and I sleep like a baby!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 04, 2016, 11:10:33 PM
Nice poster Jeff and a good decision on your part.  When it comes to the point where viewing your poster causes actual damage to it there's nothing wrong with backing it, which includes minor conservation like washing etc.  

I don't mind linen at all.  My bed sheets at home at 10 oz cotton duck and I sleep like a baby!

Thanks, Vick.

And washing and de-acidifying will not only make it look better, but will add longevity to the paper itself. If even the most delicate and careful of handling a poster is going to cause flakes or pieces to fall off (and then be gone forever), I think it is safe to say that that kind of piece would be a great candidate for backing of some kind, in order to save and stabilize it.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Chris9000 on March 06, 2016, 08:44:25 PM

Has anybody used or heard good/bad about 'Backing to the Future?' They've got a long list of testimonials, but without knowing the knowledge base of those folks it's hard to put much faith in them.

http://www.backingtothefuture.com/ (http://www.backingtothefuture.com/)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 06, 2016, 10:31:29 PM
Has anybody used or heard good/bad about 'Backing to the Future?' They've got a long list of testimonials, but without knowing the knowledge base of those folks it's hard to put much faith in them.

http://www.backingtothefuture.com/ (http://www.backingtothefuture.com/)

Hey Chris,

One member here, Mike (bigmike) has used them: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,10451.msg197593.html#msg197593
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Chris9000 on March 06, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
Hey Chris,

One member here, Mike (bigmike) has used them: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,10451.msg197593.html#msg197593

Thanks, Jeff. I'll check it out.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on March 12, 2016, 04:10:25 AM
40's quad
Trouble is I don't really like backed posters so much
and while I see it's important to preserve also somehow seems a shame if it's the only one ( though despite trying to find another this seems unlikely )
Saying that, Sim says he has never seen another.
I'd like to get it framed this year
It's the TO THE PUBLIC DANGER quad I am sure I have posted before by the way.


I don't back anything I think there may only be one of, I put them in a sleeve, which is as good as it gets for protection.

Buy a sleeve Ari, and put it in until another turns up...  it will be cheaper anyway.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Ari on March 12, 2016, 05:24:01 AM
Hmmm thanks
Yeah it really bothered me I might ruin the only one
Thanks. You find another please.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: paul waines on March 12, 2016, 06:43:28 AM
Not much chance, you pipped me to the one that was for sale..

I kept thinking, next month I'll get it..  and never did.
Glad it went to a good home in the end.

To be honest, I only wanted it for the Terry fisher connection.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 26, 2016, 10:16:51 PM
A big vote for Sylvia at Precision Restoration and Dario up in Canadia.  You can get a great combo deal from Sylvia if you're having your poster framed by Sue at Hollywood Poster Frames as well. 

--Peter

Peter, I just went to look at Sylvia's site - Precision Restoration (http://www.precisionrestoration.net) and the site looks down.

Is she still in business in Oceanside, CA?

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Harry Caul on March 26, 2016, 11:55:36 PM
Last I heard she retired a few years ago.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 27, 2016, 12:01:36 AM
Thanks, Matt.

I found a couple other listings for the company when i did a further search. They basically gave the address and phone number, but nothing more.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: oldposterho on March 29, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
Peter, I just went to look at Sylvia's site - Precision Restoration (http://www.precisionrestoration.net) and the site looks down.

Is she still in business in Oceanside, CA?

Honestly, I don't know.  She was the house backer for Sue at Hollywood Frames and I always just went through her.  Hope everything is OK.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 29, 2016, 06:24:23 PM
Honestly, I don't know.  She was the house backer for Sue at Hollywood Frames and I always just went through her.  Hope everything is OK.

Hi Peter.

I wrote to Sue and she said that Sylvia retired about 3 years ago. Other than that, it seems Sylvia is well.  :)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Chris9000 on June 07, 2016, 07:36:22 PM

I'd like to give another +1 to the ladies at 4th Cone.

Their work backing and performing slight restorations on my Taxi Driver B2 was top notch and at an affordable price, but it was their customer service that I really found impeccable.

I tend to be very type-A and detailed oriented and they worked with me through all of my direction. I also asked, if it wasn't too much of a hassle if they would take pictures of the work being done throughout the backing and restoration process. They provided me with a number of photos of all work being done without question.

Again, couldn't be happier... my  two cents.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: lalatin on March 16, 2017, 04:22:32 PM
Anyone in the Los Angles area ever had a poster restored and/or linen backed by Fourth Cone Restoration? Just curious about their quality of work. Thanks!
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on March 16, 2017, 04:36:34 PM
Mike (Mac-Apple) isnt in LA, but has posted about his experience and their work, here:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,11766.0.html

And Brian (Starling) is in LA and had this to say about them, starting here:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8347.msg162125.html#msg162125
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Chris9000 on March 16, 2017, 04:47:36 PM
Anyone in the Los Angles area ever had a poster restored and/or linen backed by Fourth Cone Restoration? Just curious about their quality of work. Thanks!

Again, not in LA, but they did fine by me on a backing/slight restore. Affordable, good communication, and fairly quick turnaround.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: lalatin on March 16, 2017, 04:56:57 PM
Thanks for everyone's quick reply. I will try them.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Test1 on April 02, 2017, 12:44:32 PM
I've read so many different bits about linen backing posters I find it all so confusing :-\ if it's a good or bad thing, even reading lots of posts on these forums on the subject still does not make things any clearer, so many mixed impressions as to whether you should get posters backed or leave well alone.

One thing that I have noticed and I personally found a little surprising is just how many online dealers have more or at least as many linen backed posters for sale than original/unrestored ones, I would have thought dealers would always be more for the original look of a poster, it's quite shocking (to me) how some dealers are selling so many posters already linen backed :o

I just don't think I could ever bring myself to buy any poster already linen backed, I'm always wondering just how much work has really been done on some of these posters online dealers are selling, I mean unless you are a true expert on such things and can spot what's been worked on or if you were actually "there" when the restoration work was done, how on earth would you ever know ???
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on April 02, 2017, 01:55:16 PM
I'll post this here as well... Is there a write up somewhere as to why some people have a problem with Posterfix?  I used them before and while they were EXTREMELY slow, I thought they did fine work.

Really? What made his work stand out to you?

How many pieces did you ever entrust to Mr Cloutier to work on? And can you share some 'befores' and Posterfix 'afters?'
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on April 02, 2017, 02:49:32 PM
Give Matt a pass - his post was from 2010  ;D
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on April 03, 2017, 03:18:12 PM
Isnt a restorer's ability and work supposed to get better as time goes on? Maybe Cloutier was at his creative peak in 2010 (said tongue in cheek, of course), as all recent posts suggest he's been on a steady, downward slide since then.  whip
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: MoviePosterBid.com on April 03, 2017, 04:05:34 PM
Give Matt a pass - his post was from 2010  ;D

I have a hard time believing anyone could have thought Posterfix is a good restorer in any day & age and in any universe, even 2010..

I hop ethat in teh time since, Matt has seen the error of his way

 ;)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on April 06, 2017, 01:18:42 AM
Give Matt a pass - his post was from 2010  ;D

Why does that matter? As can be found in multiple, various posts here on APF-- Posterfix/Cloutier have gotten much bad press here, and seemingly, well deserved. Watch his youtubube videos as further proof. Many are like train wrecks (the use of Elmer's glue, tossing parts of a torn poster in the trash etc)

So when someone says he "does fine work," Im sure many would like to know, legitimately, what was "fine" about his work, even if it was way back when.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: CSM on April 06, 2017, 01:27:30 AM
Should that matter? As can be found in multiple, various posts here on APF-- Posterfix/Cloutier have gotten much bad press here, and seemingly, well deserved. Watch his youtubube videos as further proof. Many are like train wrecks (the use of Elmer's glue, tossing parts of a torn poster in the trash etc)

So when someone says he "does fine work," Im sure many would like to know, legitimately, what was "fine" about his work, even if it was way back when.

My implication was that, likely, Mr. Matt's opinion has changed significantly with an additional 7 years of knowledge and experience.  And if it hasn't...well I am going to have to make a trip down to South Carolina.

Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on April 06, 2017, 01:33:16 AM
Thanks Chris... I figured that your  ;D was being more tongue in cheek, but  I'm sincerely curious why matt thought Cloutier did good ("fine") work.

Pfix has gotten a BIG, FAT ZERO from many other folks who have used him and his team in the recent past.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers-- Those Recommended and Those to Avoid
Post by: okiehawker on January 28, 2018, 09:31:11 PM
A definite and 'high five' and recommendation goes out to Mario Cueva and his company, Lumiere Poster Restoration (http://www.lumiereposterrestoration.com/) in southern California. He does very fine work, is knowledgeable and his turn around time is  thumbup, too.

I agree.  I've been very happy with Mario's work as well.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Harry Caul on January 29, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
Really? What made his work stand out to you?

How many pieces did you ever entrust to Mr Cloutier to work on? And can you share some 'befores' and Posterfix 'afters?'

If you're going to resurrect some old ass post from nearly a decade ago -- might be a good idea to ping me if you have a question, no? 

At that time Posterfix did the work, I had only ever used Dario.  He didn't do anything larger than 1-sheets/quads so I needed to find an alternative for my French 1-panel.  I saw Posterfix's cheap eBay prices and gave him a go.  As mentioned, he took FOREVER -- can't remember the details but it was like 6+ months and I had to hassle him multiple times.  That should have sent red flags, but at least I got it back eventually.  When the poster arrived it looked good -- no bubbles, no lazy/botched restoration areas, etc... like some of the examples I've seen of his work in this thread.  It's been framed on may wall since (L'Avventura French).

Since then I've obviously seen multiple poor examples of his work and perhaps worse, his work practices.  I would never use him today given all the more competent alternatives.  For the record, I've now used Dario, Posterfix, Poster Mountain, Sylvia Locken (retired), and Mario (who is my current go-to guy). 
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on January 29, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
It was a question based on your public post to the forum about his work, so I simply asked a public question back in the same thread. Had we shared private PM about him prior, I would continued in that same fashion.

In any case, I was curious to ask you then, especially since we've all seen his work via his various youtube clips (and his continuing to slide & go downhill/lack of care etc over the years).

In addition, when I posted that question, almost a year ago, in April of 2017, there had been some other ongoing discussion about Posterfix and the sub-par work he does, as was shown is some of his videos posted even back back then. So my question wasn't just randomly digging up some old post from the past.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on May 28, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
A Memorial Day (non) treat, courtesy of Posterfix.

Yet more sloppy work on a French 1P for It Came From Outer Space. And watch, specifically, at 2;46 into the footage (he has sped it up but this faux pas can be seen), how his careless use of a roller tears a quarter size piece from the poster, in the yellow title area. He then uses a blade of some kind to quickly put it into place, a short time later, @ 3;32.  Doh.gif

It only gets better, when at 5;19, his wife begins the slopping on of paint onto all the areas that Cloutier damaged.

https://www.youtube.com/v/axyvWzpWIUw



Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Simes on May 29, 2018, 06:06:13 AM
Yeah, a great chunk comes off the word Nuit. 

Hi thinking must be, Well, if I am repairing it, then it doesn't matter what further damage is done to in the meantime.

Thing is, there are sellers who will look at the pre-repair damage to posters in their sales blurb.  So it never really goes away.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: cabmangray on May 29, 2018, 03:11:40 PM
EEK! Keep that man away from my paper! Shouldn't he at least put another piece of paper or something over the poster before he goes to town with that roller? Then he wouldn't tear up pieces of the poster and repair what didn't need to be repaired in the first place.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: erik1925 on May 29, 2018, 03:51:37 PM
Watch any of his other videos and you'll see how many times he or his so-called artist wife have torn or damaged posters they are in the process of working on. It's astounding.  faint2.gif mesmrized
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: timelessmoviemagic on January 29, 2020, 08:37:02 AM
I've read so many different bits about linen backing posters I find it all so confusing :-\ if it's a good or bad thing, even reading lots of posts on these forums on the subject still does not make things any clearer, so many mixed impressions as to whether you should get posters backed or leave well alone.

One thing that I have noticed and I personally found a little surprising is just how many online dealers have more or at least as many linen backed posters for sale than original/unrestored ones, I would have thought dealers would always be more for the original look of a poster, it's quite shocking (to me) how some dealers are selling so many posters already linen backed :o

I just don't think I could ever bring myself to buy any poster already linen backed, I'm always wondering just how much work has really been done on some of these posters online dealers are selling, I mean unless you are a true expert on such things and can spot what's been worked on or if you were actually "there" when the restoration work was done, how on earth would you ever know ???

I know of one seller who sends pretty much every poster they get in to a certain backing company in North America. I honestly do not understand why they do this.

Yes they must be getting a good deal from the company by sending so much stuff (I'd guess at least 75% of their stock is backed) but I had a discussion with them when they posed a question on a group I'm in.

To linen-back or not linen-back?

The majority in the group agreed that it's best to leave as is unless it was totally necessary. I've seen posters being sent there when they have no issues but have just been folded!

Then the price goes up for them to recoup that cost. Suddenly that poster you see normally retail for £75 is now £275 or higher.

I'm guessing the buyers are people who don't care about backing - seem to think it appreciates the value (again I've had many a discussion with people who tell me it appreciates the value!! Also they don't bother with research, a quick scan on the internet will see the same poster in unrestored excellent condition for half the price.

Could be deep pockets but I think it's more to do with how inexperienced the buyers are.

Marc


Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: splinter on January 20, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Has anyone here used Chicago Poster Restoration (http://posterrestore.com) or The Art of Restoration (https://www.theartofrestoration.com) ?

I'm looking for a restorer in the Chicago area to avoid shipping dangers and be able inspect the restorers past work before I hand over expensive posters. 

And to inspect the completed work before I pay  ;)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on January 21, 2021, 03:29:25 AM
moved
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: riley540 on January 20, 2022, 03:31:21 PM
I know there is a split crowd here as far as linen backing goes. Recently I acquired a folded Gone With The Wind roadshow one sheet with the intent to display it for the rest of its life. I opted to have it backed to provide some added support for the rest of its life and to make it display very nicely.

I sent the poster to Mario at Lumiere restoration and I’m beyond pleased with the results. He’s done a hand full of posters in the past for me and I’ve never had a bad experience.

Just wanted to share the finished product!


(https://i.postimg.cc/YL3yTsFK/89-C57360-3-AAC-4-CC1-88-AF-D3-C558-CC7-DA5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YL3yTsFK)
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: wonka on January 21, 2022, 12:04:02 PM
I know there is a split crowd here as far as linen backing goes. Recently I acquired a folded Gone With The Wind roadshow one sheet with the intent to display it for the rest of its life. I opted to have it backed to provide some added support for the rest of its life and to make it display very nicely.

I sent the poster to Mario at Lumiere restoration and I’m beyond pleased with the results. He’s done a hand full of posters in the past for me and I’ve never had a bad experience.

Just wanted to share the finished product!


(https://i.postimg.cc/YL3yTsFK/89-C57360-3-AAC-4-CC1-88-AF-D3-C558-CC7-DA5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YL3yTsFK)

Looks fantastic, good choice to use Mario too...the best for the $ hands down.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: riley540 on January 21, 2022, 12:24:45 PM
Looks fantastic, good choice to use Mario too...the best for the $ hands down.

Agree 100%. I’ve always been blown away at how reasonable his pricing is compared to some of the competition out there.
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: okiehawker on February 02, 2022, 10:34:55 PM
Good ole Mario!  Looks great, Riley540.  Okie
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: Crazy Vick on November 13, 2022, 05:54:12 PM
Always impressed by Dan's top notch work @ backingtothefuture (am also a customer!)

https://m.facebook.com/BackingToTheFuture/photos
Title: Re: Poster Restorers, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Post by: bigmike on November 15, 2022, 04:34:20 PM
Always impressed by Dan's top notch work @ backingtothefuture (am also a customer!)

https://m.facebook.com/BackingToTheFuture/photos

Ya Dans great. And that Abbott and Costello poster he had recently done and posted pics of was mine.