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Movie Posters => General Discussion => Topic started by: holiday on February 22, 2019, 05:00:32 PM
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I'm putting this in this topic string, because, well, I own the place (with T) and I get to.
What do we need here to bring this place back to life? What's working, what's not working, and what do we add to shift to a new space.
All comments welcome.
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I'm putting this in this topic string, because, well, I own the place (with T) and I get to.
What do we need here to bring this place back to life? What's working, what's not working, and what do we add to shift to a new space.
All comments welcome.
you move it to Facebook
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We need people like Mel back who drew in people to read and comment his many many posts, all sorts of topics. Was quite addictive the forum and he was around along time making heaps of threads, many were misses but many were well commented on.
The arguing was often addictive to follow but that has largely been stamped out.
I also don't post much because I no longer buy and have other interests, but still read. But yes, there's not much to respond to.
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We need people like Mel back who drew in people to read and comment his many many posts, all sorts of topics. Was quite addictive the forum and he was around along time making heaps of threads, many were misses but many were well commented on.
The arguing was often addictive to follow but that has largely been stamped out.
I also don't post much because I no longer buy and have other interests, but still read. But yes, there's not much to respond to.
Big Thumb UP!
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I like it here, Holiday! Yeah, I wish there was more poster discussion to complement the handful that regularly post. Mel was a lot of fun and odd, and aren't we all at least a bit. Personally, I'm not on Facebook (sorry, Richie) and don't intend to be. One of the things that attracted me to APF was the independence and not being tied to another questionable platform (although, what you forum owners do with our bedroom data can happily stay a mystery to me!). This is my only social media presence. I would love to see more members comment, though I think my posts may be too much about older paper. I really like commenting on the newer cool paper some members collect that open my eyes to newer goodies. Okie
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Why not?
Btw, super drunk right now, so don’t hold it against me. Watching 5 kids.
T
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Why not?
Btw, super drunk right now, so don’t hold it against me. Watching 5 kids.
T
Ok one thumb is good.
I wonder, maybe there isn't as many quality posters around to buy on the auction sites as there used to be and hence the reason not as much stuff being shown here? Posters like mine maybe get locked up and not sold again
Maybe not much being bought, me as an example I don't feel confident with income like I did 10 years ago to splash money around, I've tightened up a lot.
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I wonder, maybe there isn't as many quality posters around to buy on the auction sites as there used to be and hence the reason not as much stuff being shown here?
one reason. another is that you can only talk about & respond to the same issues so many times
but the biggest issue is that forums of this nature are old technology. There isn't really direct communication (and if there were, this 2 minute posting limit is very irritating). Facebook beats this format in every way, other than how the site is set up in an orderly fashion & Facebook is not
also, on Facebook, whether you have a webspace to store images is moot
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I want to quit my job and get rid of my kids and thus have more time to post intelligent posts such as this one :'(
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one reason. another is that you can only talk about & respond to the same issues so many times
but the biggest issue is that forums of this nature are old technology. There isn't really direct communication (and if there were, this 2 minute posting limit is very irritating). Facebook beats this format in every way, other than how the site is set up in an orderly fashion & Facebook is not
also, on Facebook, whether you have a webspace to store images is moot
The wait time between posts from any one person wanting to post again is 10 seconds, not 2 min. ;)
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I think this is much better than Facebook. I like the archival nature where things can be dragged up from 10 years ago. But of course it needs people who give it some time and start threads. Still, there is more action here than on NSFGE or Movieposterforum!
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I think this is much better than Facebook. I like the archival nature where things can be dragged up from 10 years ago. But of course it needs people who give it some time and start threads. Still, there is more action here than on NSFGE or Movieposterforum!
I'm with you on this, rumble.
Ive looked (and do belong) to a number of the FB movie poster pages. Scrolling down one long page to look at posts dealing with everything from poster info, mixed in with FS items is not nearly as organized (by the nature of FB), as a forum like this layout and software offers. So, while there is a place for FB movie poster pages, I prefer this layout better.
And as new blood/members join (and we've had a steady number join, with a few new members in the last couple of days), they will add to the various discussions.
And as rumble said.. being able to go back and look at various threads from 7-9 years ago, with info, is awesome, too, imho.
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Allowing people to register automatically would help, I wonder how many people miss the sticky thread about sending an email? Surely the software protects against bots these days?
Maybe an advert in the LAMP newsletter might help?
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Allowing people to register automatically would help, I wonder how many people miss the sticky thread about sending an email? Surely the software protects against bots these days?
Maybe an advert in the LAMP newsletter might help?
The 2 threads that have been "stickied" for years (let alone Holiday titling the boards in CAPITAL LETTERS) should make them easy to spot. And the one board fort all to see is also at the very top of the main forum page, so if these boards are being overlooked, then maybe specs are needed by the "overlookers." ;D
There is also an APF FB page, ( https://www.facebook.com/all.posterforum ), and we could do more there, too. thumbsup.gif
I can look too (or inquire from SMF) to see if there have been software improvements to screen out and block auto bot registrations, too.
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The 2 threads that have been "stickied" for years (let alone Holiday titling the boards in CAPITAL LETTERS) should make them easy to spot. And the one board fort all to see is also at the very top of the main forum page, so if these boards are being overlooked, then maybe specs are needed by the "overlookers." ;D
There is also an APF FB page, ( https://www.facebook.com/all.posterforum ), and we could do more there, too. thumbsup.gif
I can look too (or inquire from SMF) to see if there have been software improvements to screen out and block auto bot registrations, too.
Also, Jeff just hit 20,001 (An APF Odyssey) posts himself! Wow! Congratulations, Jeff! It looks like Jeff is the first person in APF history to hit that number and become the forum's first Star Child?! Okie
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The wait time between posts from any one person wanting to post again is 10 seconds, not 2 min. ;)
did you change that recently. I was having to wait 150 seconds, but I haven't checked in a couple weeks
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okay, I guess you've changed that
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did you change that recently. I was having to wait 150 seconds, but I haven't checked in a couple weeks
It's been back to the original, 10 sec time frame for a while now. :D
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There is also an APF FB page, ( https://www.facebook.com/all.posterforum ), and we could do more there, too. thumbsup.gif
Actually, I just checked that again, and it is not a page, it is a "person" on Facebook. Meaning that you have to "friend" Allpostersforum, giving whoever owns it access to all your FB information as you would a real person. I am happy to like pages and join groups, but I don't friend people I don't know, and I certainly don't friend "persons" that do not even exist and can be controlled by multiple persons that I don't know!
Why not create a regular Facebook page to promote APF? It only take a minute.
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Actually, I just checked that again, and it is not a page, it is a "person" on Facebook. Meaning that you have to "friend" Allpostersforum, giving whoever owns it access to all your FB information as you would a real person. I am happy to like pages and join groups, but I don't friend people I don't know, and I certainly don't friend "persons" that do not even exist and can be controlled by multiple persons that I don't know!
Why not create a regular Facebook page to promote APF? It only take a minute.
T created the APF FB page: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2813.0.html
Best to ask him, I would guess.
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i use the View the most recent posts on the forum all the time and would definitely prefer it if the dealers adverts did not feed into this. does nobody find all their adverts annoying?! keep them in their own section please
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i use the View the most recent posts on the forum all the time and would definitely prefer it if the dealers adverts did not feed into this. does nobody find all their adverts annoying?! keep them in their own section please
Dealers ONLY ever advertise in the Dealer's F/S board. This rule has been in place for many years, and is followed by all. Before that,some dealers were posting all over the forum.
That is why the dealer posting rules, as well as Holiday's thread, which he placed in 2013, as a "reminder" to dealers, was posted AND pinned thumbsup.gif :
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,7060.0.html
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There's also no boob pictures anymore! I don't think there was ever a problem posting but the tone of the forum has changed. (I'm talking like since a few years ago and older). It toned down, then off, when the women joined like mirosa, but there's no women now? The forum is more sanitised.
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All that is needed is a good old fashioned controversy - so cue up Haggard Jr or another Profiles to heavily advertise an 'altered' Dracula one sheet >:D
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There's also no boob pictures anymore! I don't think there was ever a problem posting but the tone of the forum has changed. (I'm talking like since a few years ago and older). It toned down, then off, when the women joined like mirosa, but there's no women now? The forum is more sanitised.
Holiday and T's hot tub picture may have shown a little boobie...
Okie
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There's also no boob pictures anymore! I don't think there was ever a problem posting but the tone of the forum has changed. (I'm talking like since a few years ago and older). It toned down, then off, when the women joined like mirosa, but there's no women now? The forum is more sanitised.
(https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-asian-women-in-the-breast-feeding-105180515.jpg)
(http://www.ardomedical.com/system/html/Breastfeeding_positions_tummy_to_tummy-fe0dbd6d.jpg)
(https://www.hygeiahealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mirror.co_.uk-Mum-Hein-Koh-breastfeed...-prove-spectacular-point.jpg)
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As someone said above, with the same people, am not sure how many times the same topic can be discussed.
Even with new blood into the forum, the old timers will feel less inclined to answer the same question again and again. And, I believe this to be true of all subject discussion forums. What is there left to dissect?
I know this also to be true of my involvement on Bond related sites - everything (I am interested in) has been discussed to death.
I am also not a FB member, and have no wish to be. So, not sure that I agree this place is moribund, but equally not sure what, or even IF, there is an answer.
Good luck.
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There's also no boob pictures anymore! I don't think there was ever a problem posting but the tone of the forum has changed. (I'm talking like since a few years ago and older). It toned down, then off, when the women joined like mirosa, but there's no women now? The forum is more sanitised.
If you’re using this place to see pics of boobs then you’re probably not using the internet properly ;)
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(https://www.hygeiahealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mirror.co_.uk-Mum-Hein-Koh-breastfeed...-prove-spectacular-point.jpg)
Wow, that's multitasking
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If you’re using this place to see pics of boobs then you’re probably not using the internet properly ;)
correct. You need xposter or posterhub for that
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correct. You need xposter or posterhub for that
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Wow, that's multitasking
That was my wife 5 years ago with twins. Now the new kid has one and I have the other.
T
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That was my wife 5 years ago with twins. Now the new kid has one and I have the other.
T
Lucky you
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Lucky you
I was reading a book one evening while my wife was nursing one of our kids next to me. I thought a bug was in my hair and smacked at it. I felt something wet. My wife had fallen asleep and the baby had unlatched from the nipple. A thin, steady stream of milk was squirting into my hair. It's one of those anatomy lessons in life, you have to see to believe! God bless my wife! Okie
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That was my wife 5 years ago with twins. Now the new kid has one and I have the other.
T
Why does Crazy Vick have pics of your wife with the twins? :P
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Well I haven’t chimed in too often this past year but I have visited every single day since joining. Losing all my photos links in the threads a while back dampered my posting frequency. That was due to Dropbox changing their services.
As Rumble mentioned the archival format of this forum is a such an asset for us collectors. for me to learn (and sometimes relearn ha!) all kinds of info on paper. Pro tip: Best method I use is to find out facts is make a comment about it and surely Rich will correct me, works every time. Ha! I kid I kid. Yeah members here disagree on a bunch of shit sometimes but I am sure we all agree APF is worth all the bullshit lol. The knowledge base here is ridiculously broad and deep. I’d have a beer with anyone here. Except one asshole :-X
Well I had one idea can we try a “how to join graphic/snipe” in the banner?
Maybe at the top right or take the place of 2 of the four posters.
I know the banner change is always a can o’ worms and much work on Jeff’s part. I actually often hear of people not being able to join just because they do overlook the pinned post and give up. Couple days ago a friend told me he had a few friends fail. Jeff you may be rolling your eyes at me by now. I would be lol. As you know I try and do get people to register with your help.
So if what Tobin mentioned earlier about going back to automatic registration isn’t an option could we give a banner snipe a shot?
Was it because we can’t use a captcha on this software release? Thanks for reading all this. Hi Okie
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I agree that easier registration and/or better information is certainly worth a shot.
As for a Facebook page, anyone who has a Facebook account can create one and then invite more people to help administer it. (I’d advice creating a page vs a group sine otherwise a lot of the discussion might move to Facebook!)
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I really appreciate everyone's comments. A few things come to mind in response. And one in particular rises to the top -- controversy.
People love a "good" fight, and I wonder if that's just a substitute for critical thinking. Or perhaps, the strong emotions of a good fight are what enable folks to experience critical thinking because they are so bent on being right. I know this -- most people will go to extremes to be right about how they have it, assuming that their view is the "right" view. Wars are started over the desire to be right. Genocide is committed. Schools become kill zones, as do religious venues, bars, sidewalks, cafes and the like. People even kill themselves just to be right.
There are some folks on this forum that are deeply committed to being right, and they have been hateful and hurtful to others on that path. As a result, a number of active participants over the years have left, because they have better things to do than endure such crap. This is not an invitation to name-calling. That is pointless. Let's just look at the results.
Maybe 10 years is the cycle for forums like this? Who knows. I look at MPF and it's still tumbleweeds. As far as I can tell, Andy Neal sold it years ago and all it does is sit there and accumulate link hits and generate ad revenue for whoever owns. it.
For those who don't recall the history, APF was born of MPF like James T. Kirk was born in the midst of fire and war in Abrams' Kelvin Timeline. Andy liked being right too, so he had all kinds of rules and if anyone violated them, they were banned. As a result, every thinking soul left eventually. And, as a result, Thierry and I started this place built on one core principle -- no censorship.
That kind of freedom has a cost, folks, and I summarize it in terms of this thought: don't be a dick. I get why Andy censored MPF they way he did, because people can and will be dicks. It's a question of what kind of space does APF create here, based on Theirry's intention and my intention as owners, based on Jeff's intention as the site's lead admin, and based on everyone else's intention. Do you shit in your living room? I suspect not. So, don't shit here, meaning, don't give us the turds of your judgment, opinions, anger, vitriol and the rest of the dark side that each and every one of us has.
You see, I will not censor. I know Thierry will not censor. That's why he and I after all these years can sit in a hottub and smoke a cigar to this day -- we still see eye to eye like this. (Also, because I still think he's The Most Interesting Man in the World lol). The only option is, then, be kind or we just shut the place down as having lost its purpose.
Even when I was not posting here, I had a LOT of requests to delete this post or that post. We have not done it, to my knowledge. And the cost? Here we are having a conversation about why this site is on life support because a lot of decent people have left -- we lost our purpose of being a safe space for EVERYONE to be in the conversation about movie posters.
And, I'll shoulder some of this blame if there is "blame" to be had, though that's another worthless concept. My intention is pretty fucking powerful, and my inattention I fear allowed a lot of bullshit to occur that may not have occurred had I been here to mind the farm.
My invitation is the same as Woody to Sid in Toy Story -- So Play Nice.
A few other thoughts -- BBS's are old tech and they remain useful. Facebook has it's place, but its too ephemeral. BBS's remain, and even now, while MPF is dead, it can still be mined for info and there's a lot of info there too. Same with Ari's place at NSFGE. I do agree that the inability to post pics directly to this site is vexing to say the least. The problem is that the site is not hosted on a domain that I own, so the storage cost would be prohibitive. We have kept this site ad-free and cost-free for a decade, and that's because to this day, Thierry and I share the expenses. We are not going deeper into our pockets to host pictures for the sake of convenience, though.
And as for movie posters themselves, they aren't what they used to be. Though, I saw a Dolby poster for Captain Marvel that is amazing, and every now and again I see a poster like for the new Aladdin, a teaser that says simply "Choose Wisely".
When making your choice here, my friends, in whether to hit the send button, please, choose wisely.
The best is yet to come!
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A few other thoughts -- BBS's are old tech and they remain useful. Facebook has it's place, but its too ephemeral.
I've noticed that there is a general aging on all BB type forums I frequent, from posters, to cars, to politics. It's mostly older dinosaurs who came of internet age on these formats that are sticking with them. It goes without saying that the F*cebook generation will lean more towards it and other 'social' media type sites and probably view this format as archaic, grandparent-y, and lame.
As for me, I'm old school enough to want to be paid when I provide market research, so no F*cebook in my future, although I may create a token presence once (if) my book gets done. Apparently marketing that sort of thing on that thing is a thing there.
What we really need are click bait thread titles. Ex:
You Won't Believe What Rich Said Today!
10 Things That Make Your Posters Worthless!
Nude Celebrities Showing Too Much!
Extreme Shipping Goes Wrong!
--Peter
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I love this response, and I think it's spot on. And, some more about Thierry and I - we don't really have an interest in quantity over quality. The clickbait titles would be great if we were trying to generate site traffic to drive ad revenue. There's no financial motive in this site.
I do agree with the assessment that this is a dinosaur form of social media. Generationally, so is facebook and instagram, twitter, youtube, etc. Society can be stratified based on who goes where. My young kids rarely use FB. They are Instagram. The ones younger than them are twitter and snapchat, etc. If I'm marketing a brand, I'm going to go to all of them one way or another.
Here, we are not.
Also, look at the demographic that collects posters? Anyone care to take up a poll to determine the age of the participants on this forum? Gender? Race?
Jesus, why do we even collect this stuff? Lol....
To be clear, I love the clickbait titles you came up with, and I'd love to see a thread on them all (except perhaps the one about Rich, though he may enjoy it :) ). Sometimes, some nice juicy outrage can be fun :)
H
I've noticed that there is a general aging on all BB type forums I frequent, from posters, to cars, to politics. It's mostly older dinosaurs who came of internet age on these formats that are sticking with them. It goes without saying that the F*cebook generation will lean more towards it and other 'social' media type sites and probably view this format as archaic, grandparent-y, and lame.
As for me, I'm old school enough to want to be paid when I provide market research, so no F*cebook in my future, although I may create a token presence once (if) my book gets done. Apparently marketing that sort of thing on that thing is a thing there.
What we really need are click bait thread titles. Ex:
You Won't Believe What Rich Said Today!
10 Things That Make Your Posters Worthless!
Nude Celebrities Showing Too Much!
Extreme Shipping Goes Wrong!
--Peter
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I love this response, and I think it's spot on. And, some more about Thierry and I - we don't really have an interest in quantity over quality. The clickbait titles would be great if we were trying to generate site traffic to drive ad revenue. There's no financial motive in this site.
If it's quality over quantity, then why worry if this place is moribund sometimes?
The ID'ing German poster post was the most helpful piece I've seen on here in at least a year (maybe ever), the quiet time is worth it to deliver gems like that - it's worth way more than someone trying to start a thread for the 20th time pointing out that new posters use lots of blues and oranges.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not worried at all :) I think what I'm doing is stirring things a bit is all.
Borrowing from the sciences, the second law of thermodynamics (I think) states that all closed systems build in entropy and tend towards equilibrium. Essentially, that is energetic death for a closed system, and interestingly a BBS like this, if left long enough, will die for lack of new input. In other words, participation keeps the system open to new information, and growing.
Yes, a gem like you noted is worth the wait, and hearty discourse also produces gems. The great value of a site like this lies in the space that its members create when in conversation. From that space, amazing things can occur. The space is powerful enough that even when no one participates for a long time, your German-poster gem arises. Imagine what will occur when the conversation grows....
I find that exciting. I don't much care about posters. I care about the people in relation to posters when it comes to this site :)
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If it's quality over quantity, then why worry if this place is moribund sometimes?
The ID'ing German poster post was the most helpful piece I've seen on here in at least a year (maybe ever), the quiet time is worth it to deliver gems like that - it's worth way more than someone trying to start a thread for the 20th time pointing out that new posters use lots of blues and oranges.
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Losing all my photos links in the threads a while back dampered my posting frequency.
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Mine too - when my flickr account disappeared and all my links died. I spent so much time photographing and posting that the thought of trying to redo all of it was just too depressing. But I'm kind of a bottomfeeder anyway, so most of the loss is just mine. I came here to learn, and was pleasantly surprised with how a newbie was accepted. I still collect, but have moved on from lobbies to 1-sheets, Mondo, and some quads. Still, they are just films I like (nothing vintage), so I doubt many would be impressed or even interested. Even though I take more than I have to give, I learn a little more every day here. Enough rambling - just wanted to let you know how much the site is appreciated.
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I've noticed that there is a general aging on all BB type forums I frequent, from posters, to cars, to politics. It's mostly older dinosaurs who came of internet age on these formats that are sticking with them. It goes without saying that the F*cebook generation will lean more towards it and other 'social' media type sites and probably view this format as archaic, grandparent-y, and lame.
As for me, I'm old school enough to want to be paid when I provide market research, so no F*cebook in my future, although I may create a token presence once (if) my book gets done. Apparently marketing that sort of thing on that thing is a thing there.
What we really need are click bait thread titles. Ex:
You Won't Believe What Rich Said Today!
10 Things That Make Your Posters Worthless!
Nude Celebrities Showing Too Much!
Extreme Shipping Goes Wrong!
--Peter
I love it! ;)
Dealers hate her! Local collector exposes SHOCKING poster buying secrets. Learn this one WEIRD trick to buying rolled Jaws one sheets for under $300!
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Learn this one WEIRD trick to buying rolled Jaws one sheets for under $300!
who does chop need to sleep with?
;D
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I may create a token presence once (if) my book gets done.
:o
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I do agree that the inability to post pics directly to this site is vexing to say the least.
For a while now we can attach images to APF
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For a while now we can attach images to APF
Holiday might be in for bill shock
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All i ever collected for the most part is what you describe below. I don't think posters need to be vintage to be interesting, and I'm sure there are a lot of folks here that agree with me. The most fascinating thing for me is to see what you're interested in.
Mine too - when my flickr account disappeared and all my links died. I spent so much time photographing and posting that the thought of trying to redo all of it was just too depressing. But I'm kind of a bottomfeeder anyway, so most of the loss is just mine. I came here to learn, and was pleasantly surprised with how a newbie was accepted. I still collect, but have moved on from lobbies to 1-sheets, Mondo, and some quads. Still, they are just films I like (nothing vintage), so I doubt many would be impressed or even interested. Even though I take more than I have to give, I learn a little more every day here. Enough rambling - just wanted to let you know how much the site is appreciated.
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I still collect, but have moved on from lobbies to 1-sheets, Mondo, and some quads. Still, they are just films I like (nothing vintage), so I doubt many would be impressed or even interested. Even though I take more than I have to give, I learn a little more every day here. Enough rambling - just wanted to let you know how much the site is appreciated.
I'd like to see them! Sounds like the stuff I collect.
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Thanks Holiday and Tob. My problem is now finding a place I can trust to upload the pictures so they don't disappear again. I had been having problems logging in to Flickr for a while before my account vanished, so I'm reluctant to go back. I'm also traveling a lot for work, so finding time to photograph is difficult. I have some things arriving this week, so I'll rethink this.
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For a while now we can attach images to APF
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This option to attach pics directly to a post has been available from the get go. That has never changed. thumbsup.gif
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There's also no boob pictures anymore! I don't think there was ever a problem posting but the tone of the forum has changed. (I'm talking like since a few years ago and older). It toned down, then off, when the women joined like mirosa, but there's no women now? The forum is more sanitised.
All the horn dogs left... lol
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This option to attach pics directly to a post has been available from the get go. That has never changed. thumbsup.gif
Are there limits on file size, dimensions, number of attachments? I don't see any info in the ATTACHMENTS thread where Holiday had stated the site is near the storage limit.
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Are there limits on file size, dimensions, number of attachments? I don't see any info in the ATTACHMENTS thread where Holiday had stated the site is near the storage limit.
The site storage limit was increased, so images can be attached by clicking on the "Attachments and other options" link that is right below and new post window. I will go in and add the file size limits to that other thread, but up to 10 attachments can be added, and the size limit is 1500kb (or 1.5 mb), which allows for a nice hi res image to be uploaded.
To attach: When a new post window is opened, just click on the wording right below the window, in blue, which reads: "Attachments and other options." A menu will then drop down, allowing you to select images from your PC/Mac to add to your post.
Or, as many do, using a 3rd party photo hosting site like Flickr or others is also the option. :)
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Thanks, Jeff!