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Common Poster Subjects => Auction House, Dealer & Other Seller Experiences => Topic started by: crowzilla on November 09, 2017, 12:31:40 PM
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I emailed emovieposter about this several days ago before the auction ended and they did not update the auction and now of course it's in their archives, so I wanted to post this warning in case the buyer is a member here (or known to a member).
This Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah poster is a reprint.
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823161
(https://i.imgur.com/U060633.jpg)
This Ohrai advance art was never produced originally in B2 size (it was only available as a B1) and the rolled B2s that are out there are from a reprint Box Set made by Family Mart in 2005.
It would not surprise me if some of the other 90s/2000s Godzilla B2s from this recent auction were also from the Family Mart set, but that would be impossible to tell from a photo.
I also informed him that this Ohrai poster he is selling as a teaser is actually a bonus for the CD Soundtrack (it is even labeled as such in Japanese at the bottom with the Toshiba/EMI catalog numbers) made by the Toho Fan Club, but that also fell on deaf ears.
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823162
It's not my place to keep doing his employee's job for them, but it is upsetting that when I do they don't respond and don't correct the misinformation.
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If anyone is curious, emovie has sold the actual advance style B2 before for Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/7443831.html
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Without wishing to denigrate another's input, I do find it surprising when messages such as this suggest input is ignored by emp.
For my insignificant part, any suggestions I have to make about things Bond are immediately reacted upon and dealt with. I find their reaction to be immediate and responsible.
This, just as an alternative way of thinking.
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2comments. First, you are aware that Bruce has stopped visiting this forum? Second, Bruce is not at his desk this week and can't personally react.
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If at me;
1. Yes
2. No
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I agree Simes, found it odd that they would ignore my input/warning on the posters they were selling (and they closed for less than $100 each, why risk reputation for a few dollars when you sell millions a year?).
And Jayn_j, are you seriously trying to suggest that Bruce doesn't visit the forum still?
First I laugh at that notion, as I frequently see him listed as one of the online visitors, and since when I posted before about an incorrectly labeled autographed item they were selling they changed it very shortly thereafter based on my post here with an update suggesting me as "the world's leading Godzilla expert" I am certain he still watches posts here whether he responds or not.
Would also think he has given Phil (or others) the authority to change/pull auctions when he is "out of the office" and it is shown they have been misidentified.
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I really don't want to get into the middle of this.
Agree that Bruce reads here, just doesn't post anymore.
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I really don't want to get into the middle of this.
Agree that Bruce reads here, just doesn't post anymore.
So then why did you post and why did you post something you knew to be untrue (that Bruce has stopped visiting this forum)?
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So then why did you post and why did you post something you knew to be untrue (that Bruce has stopped visiting this forum)?
I admitted my error. Tell you what, I will go home tonight and self flagellate with cooked spaghetti and say 10000 "Hail Paramonts" to appease the gods of outrage. I will then spend an hour asking myself why I bother to post at all to the many assh0les that hang around here.
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I admitted my error. Tell you what, I will go home tonight and self flagellate with cooked spaghetti and say 10000 "Hail Paramonts" to appease the gods of outrage. I will then spend an hour asking myself why I bother to post at all to the many assh0les that hang around here.
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Lot of rock posters on EMP... All unfolded and very good condition... are they really original first printing?
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Lot of rock posters on EMP... All unfolded and very good condition... are they really original first printing?
Yes, and we guarantee them.
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Good question - a lot of them look to be commercial posters, so I would imagine they are fine.
They did sell another Godzilla poster as a theatrical re-release when in fact it was a promotional item from King Records to tie into soundtrack releases. http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2841750.html (http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2841750.html)
It is hard to find, but this film was never re-released theatrically and it's just more misinformation from them.
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For what it's worth, I have far and away had the best experiences in the poster hobby dealing with Bruce and Emovie. Every poster is accurately photographed (I have never been upset by a poster that looked dramatically different in person, which I cannot say for ANY other auction house) and the item description has always been as accurate as can be (again, a rarity). The one time I won a poster that turned out to be a commercial reprint, Bruce contacted me YEARS later and took it back for a full refund. He answers any poster related question I have quickly and thoroughly, and I have had many over the years. He really is an asset to this hobby!
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For what it's worth, I have far and away had the best experiences in the poster hobby dealing with Bruce and Emovie. Every poster is accurately photographed (I have never been upset by a poster that looked dramatically different in person, which I cannot say for ANY other auction house) and the item description has always been as accurate as can be (again, a rarity). The one time I won a poster that turned out to be a commercial reprint, Bruce contacted me YEARS later and took it back for a full refund. He answers any poster related question I have quickly and thoroughly, and I have had many over the years. He really is an asset to this hobby!
Couldn't agree more. I have been buying from Bruce for years, cheap, expensive, big, small, never had a problem.
Yes, just one. I just wished they stopped using those damn packing peanuts (I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION!!!) and used bubble wrap or air bags.
Aside from that, he is #1!!!
T
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For what it's worth, I have far and away had the best experiences in the poster hobby dealing with Bruce and Emovie. Every poster is accurately photographed (I have never been upset by a poster that looked dramatically different in person, which I cannot say for ANY other auction house) and the item description has always been as accurate as can be (again, a rarity). The one time I won a poster that turned out to be a commercial reprint, Bruce contacted me YEARS later and took it back for a full refund. He answers any poster related question I have quickly and thoroughly, and I have had many over the years. He really is an asset to this hobby!
Totally agree!
I think it's awesome that there is someone who has changed their business model so that now the focus is on items that sell for $20 and less, keeping everything affordable for all - over 90% of everything Bruce sells brings less than $100, he really is a great starting point for new collectors, or casual buyers just looking for something inexpensive to hang up
I understand that when you list almost 150,000 items a year, sometimes you will make a mistake, and the fact that we don't have a weekly thread on mistakes shows it isn't often - but i just wish that when someone who has demonstrated expertise in an area points out one of those mistakes (like me with Godzilla, or Tang Lung with Bruce Lee) that they would listen a little more closely.
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For what it's worth, I have far and away had the best experiences in the poster hobby dealing with Bruce and Emovie. Every poster is accurately photographed (I have never been upset by a poster that looked dramatically different in person, which I cannot say for ANY other auction house) and the item description has always been as accurate as can be (again, a rarity). The one time I won a poster that turned out to be a commercial reprint, Bruce contacted me YEARS later and took it back for a full refund. He answers any poster related question I have quickly and thoroughly, and I have had many over the years. He really is an asset to this hobby!
Thanks much!
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Couldn't agree more. I have been buying from Bruce for years, cheap, expensive, big, small, never had a problem.
Yes, just one. I just wished they stopped using those damn packing peanuts (I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION!!!) and used bubble wrap or air bags.
Aside from that, he is #1!!!
T
What would you prefer in place of the peanuts? Ask and ye shall receive!
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Yes, just one. I just wished they stopped using those damn packing peanuts (I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION!!!) and used bubble wrap or air bags.
What would you prefer in place of the peanuts? Ask and ye shall receive!
I would guess something like bubble wrap or air bags
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I was going to say that, but it sounded a bit smart-ass :)
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Haha
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Update - someone pointed out to me that Emovie has updated the record of the original auction with this information:
"Finally, note than an American Godzilla expert tells us that this poster is a 2005 reprint from a Japanese box set because this art style was only printed in the B1 size for theaters. However, an advanced Japanese collector tells us that it is a theatrical poster from the first release which he personally saw displayed in theaters when the film was released. Clearly this is conflicting information, and we will update it if we learn more from anyone else."
(you can see the archived listing here: http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2815352.html (http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2815352.html))
now, of course last time they noted me as "the world's leading Godzilla expert" when using my information in a correction (http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/15268918.html (http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/15268918.html)), but now I am just downgraded to an "American" Godzilla expert (I guess the Japanese experts are all better?).
At any rate, here is the full story of why that particular poster is not/was not available as a B2, and every other Ohrai poster in the Heisei era was.
When Godzilla 1984 came out they released Ohrai's beautiful poster artwork as a B1 poster that was available through the Godzilla Fan Club and select theaters.
When the next Godzilla film was in production (Godzilla vs. Biollante), The Godzilla Resurrection Society (at the time the biggest Godzilla fan club in Japan and one that collected 40,000 signatures to encourage Toho to even make Godzilla 1984) complained in their fanzine that Ohrai's poster art wasn't made in the B2 size - which is the most collected size in Japan. Toho actually listened and made sure that Ohrai's artwork for Biollante was produced in B2 and B1 sizes (Emovie has sold the B2 before - http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/10732346.html).
Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was the next film to be made in the series and Toho skipped using Ohrai's art for the advance B2, and only used it for the B1 poster, instead producing a photo-style advance B2 poster (Emovie has sold this advance before - http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/2858800.html).
They did use Ohrai's art for a special B2 poster that was sold at the theaters (Emovie has also sold this - http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/5578902.html).
Toho got tons of complaints that the artwork wasn't used for the B2 poster also. So when they showed up the next month at January's Wonderfest in 1992 (kind of the Japanese equivalent of ComicCon), they had a special B2 poster using Ohrai's artwork printed up and inserted into the new Edition of the Encyclopedia of Godzilla. Even though they issued one of the Encyclopedias for every film, this was the only one to include a poster (and it was folded of course to fit in the book) and there was a big cover blurb announcing the poster - see the green circle I put around it on the attached photo.
Toho apologized and told everyone at the show that all of Ohrai's artwork in the future would also be used for the B2 format posters (and it was). I only know this of course because I was there. Unfortunately there weren't any cellphones so I didn't get a recording of the Toho rep saying this, and he didn't send any emails out about it. But it has been common knowledge for many years among Godzilla fans, and even in my 1998 book I show the two different advance posters and note the Ohrai art was not available in B2 size (see photo).
Did Emovie's "advanced Japanese collector" see a poster with this artwork at the theater? Quite possibly. Most likely it was a B1 poster. It could have been the special B2 poster they produced and sold at the theater (in Japan almost every theater has a souvenir stand selling posters, programs and other movie tie-ins), it might have even been a folded B2 from the encyclopedia being used by the theater.
But it WASN'T a rolled theatrical B2 - because they didn't make any.
Emovie does great work on keeping an archive, it's very useful and it only takes a little bit of effort to get the information right.
I've done the research, use it.
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but now I am just downgraded to an "American" Godzilla expert
Sorry to hear of the downgrade, I hope next week you're not "some guy who likes Japanese men dressed up in rubber outfits"
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outstanding info Sean. aka The Godzilla Expert.
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Sorry to hear of the downgrade, I hope next week you're not "some guy who likes Japanese men dressed up in rubber outfits"
I'm sure next time they use my info it will be something similar.
Will be interesting to see if they finally update the poster as being a reprint since the archive says "and we will update it if we learn more from anyone else."
In my opinion this is the same as selling a minty white insert as an original because a collector said he saw an insert at the theater.
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I'm sure next time they use my info it will be something similar.
Will be interesting to see if they finally update the poster as being a reprint since the archive says "and we will update it if we learn more from anyone else."
In my opinion this is the same as selling a minty white insert as an original because a collector said he saw an insert at the theater.
indeed, that is an apt comparison
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Sean is 100% correct on this.
The illustration version B2 posters he pointed out are commercial reprints. Only the B1 sizes are legitimate cinema posters.
Armin
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I will be removing the record from the Auction History, and if anyone offers me the poster to auction again I will return it.
I already explained the situation to the buyer, who wanted to keep the poster.
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I will be removing the record from the Auction History, and if anyone offers me the poster to auction again I will return it.
While I am glad an expert you trust spoke up also, your action doesn't make any sense to me.
It' is still a real sale, why not correct the archive entry and keep it to help other collectors identify the piece in the future?
Isn't one of the main purposes to educate?
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While I am glad an expert you trust spoke up also, your action doesn't make any sense to me.
It' is still a real sale, why not correct the archive entry and keep it to help other collectors identify the piece in the future?
Isn't one of the main purposes to educate?
exactly. when editing a database, an item that has been sold should always be represented in the manner in which it was sold, not an updated fashion.
when a Lobby Card for It Happened One Night with Academy Award symbol has been sold as a 1934 card, the 1934 designation should remain and an addendum added when new information comes to fore. It should not be edited to reflect another date, because that's not how it was sold
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I am sure that when anyone here runs a military-like operation the way Bruce does, and they find they Actually have the time to cover every single one of the 100,000 queries per week, we would then, and only then, be able to crow like Crowzilla et al.
Fact is, we have been party to a thread taking up x man hours, or minutes, during which time Bruce and gang would have sold, packed and answered queries to at least 1400 individual posters.
All interesting, to be sure. But in the scheme of things...
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they find they Actually have the time to cover every single one of the 100,000 queries per week,
Simes, they couldn't possibly be getting that many email or phone call inquiries each week. Mathematically it isn't possible, unless he has a staff of 40 doing replies only all week
here's some math
if each call or email took 1 minute to read/listen & reply, that would be 100,000 minutes
100,000 divided by 60 = 1666.666666 hours
I would be more inclined to believe they might get 1000-2000 queries weekly and that it still take 2 people on full staff doing such work.
seriously, dealing with that many inquiries is a job in itself but there are no Superman here
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Deary me sir.
I wasn't actually being literal. I was just engaging in hyperbole to better illustrate my position.
But I thank you for reading and engaging.
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Hehehe, guys, really !!!
Simes was hyperboling for sure. I agree with his first post on this thread, I found EMP hyper-reactive, all my issues (queries, wrong bid, update, payments) were all addressed within a day (if not hours) and satisfactory. But for sure, in the long term, Bruce should see how he can modify the database to have two or more descriptions (the one used during auctions and the updated one) or have description history.
As for Simes's numbers/fact checking, let's not forget the most important before doing any calculation, to say you are using planet Earth (and Earth days) as reference. The remark about Superman may bring confusion to the reader thinking you are using another referent for your calculation, such as Venus days which are nearly 20 Earth days, or taking into account effect of relativity. Note, this is derision, no need for more complex calculation thumbsup.gif
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...hyperbolizing...
Sorry. Have probably outstayed my welcome with that last. ;)
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Simes was hyperboling for sure. I agree with his first post on this thread, I found EMP hyper-reactive, all my issues (queries, wrong bid, update, payments) were all addressed within a day (if not hours) and satisfactory. But for sure, in the long term, Bruce should see how he can modify the database to have two or more descriptions (the one used during auctions and the updated one) or have description history.
That's what really boggles my mind, Emovie is usually very quick to react and appreciative to any corrections I send them, and I've always thought they wanted to represent things as best as possible.
So it was very puzzling when I gave them the scoop on this reprint and they chose to just note it as "conflicting information".
I can only assume that it was given to them by some high profile client that gives them lots of consignments maybe?
At any rate, I am glad that someone who EMP will actually believe about the poster also spoke up.
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Deary me sir.
I wasn't actually being literal. I was just engaging in hyperbole to better illustrate my position.
But I thank you for reading and engaging.
sm1
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hey everyone.. Ben wants us to stop talking about this subject.
so stop talking about it already..
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so stop talking about it already..
Finally!!!
Too many so-called "experts". I'd love to be an expert one day. Must work harder.
T
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Finally!!!
Too many so-called "experts". I'd love to be an expert one day. Must work harder.
T
to be an expert you must now pass the 'expert movie poster man' test. It is only available on February 29th when the moon is full and you must know Taiwanese in order to correctly answer the second half of the test. The test is administered in Broken Arrow Oklahoma, after 3pm.
Once completed, it must be mailed and postmarked by the Scandanavian post office in Copenhagen no later than March 1st at 1pm, otherwise you have to try again next time the test is available.
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Have any of those fine folks who call themselves "experts" passed the test? Do you have the results at hand?
T
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and do any of the experts speak Belgian?
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Have any of those fine folks who call themselves "experts" passed the test? Do you have the results at hand?
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yes.. I have mine.. It's written in the same chicken scrawl as Donny Chumps dr note from last year...
and yes they all speak Belgian, regularly
I should also mention, a secondary test was administered at the Baronet theatre in Manhattan on 1/25/1970 and everyone who aced it got a free world premiere MASH poster
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to be an expert you must now pass the 'expert movie poster man' test. It is only available on February 29th when the moon is full and you must know Taiwanese in order to correctly answer the second half of the test. The test is administered in Broken Arrow Oklahoma, after 3pm.
Once completed, it must be mailed and postmarked by the Scandanavian post office in Copenhagen no later than March 1st at 1pm, otherwise you have to try again next time the test is available.
I once heard a routine where an old school comedian gave a definition of an expert.
In order to correctly define expert, you must break it down into its component root parts. The first part is 'X', which as we all know is the unknown in an equation. The second part is 'spurt'. This would be caused by a small drip of a liquid that when subjected to pressure against a nozzle causes the liquid to exit.
By combining the root terms, we can conclude that an expert is defined as An Unknown Drip Under Pressure.
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I'm bailing out of this thread
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and do any of the experts speak Belgian?
The experts will tell you they definitely don't speak Belgian since there isn't such language.
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The experts will tell you they definitely don't speak Belgian since there isn't such language.
you aren't in on the gag.... ;)
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I once heard a routine where an old school comedian gave a definition of an expert.
In order to correctly define expert, you must break it down into its component root parts. The first part is 'X', which as we all know is the unknown in an equation. The second part is 'spurt'. This would be caused by a small drip of a liquid that when subjected to pressure against a nozzle causes the liquid to exit.
By combining the root terms, we can conclude that an expert is defined as An Unknown Drip Under Pressure.
I do like that. Will try to remember that for a relevant chat.
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you aren't in on the gag.... ;)
...and if we agree, we, and the internet, is an all inclusive environment, so as not to alienate any newcomers, would a brief sentence to explain encourage our brethren unto our bosom?
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...and if we agree, we, and the internet, is an all inclusive environment, so as not to alienate any newcomers, would a brief sentence to explain encourage our brethren unto our bosom?
As in I speak fluent musical.
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Inside jokes are fun in public!
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...and if we agree, we, and the internet, is an all inclusive environment, so as not to alienate any newcomers, would a brief sentence to explain encourage our brethren unto our bosom?
you're better off on the outside of the inside... ;)
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It has been nearly half an hour since this topic was bumped to the top with a gratuitous post that has nothing to do with the original topic, so obviously the bumpees are too busy to do so right now, so I thought I would help them out by bumping it for them.
If enough All Poster Forum members keep reading the words "Another Emovieposter Auction - Reprint Poster Sold as Original", maybe some more of them will start believing it.
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my previous post was not gratuitous.
but this one is, and yes, the title of this thread, is TRUE
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If enough All Poster Forum members keep reading the words "Another Emovieposter Auction - Reprint Poster Sold as Original", maybe some more of them will start believing it.
Or maybe you will listen to experts the next time they tell you that an item you are offering is definitely a reprint.
I sent you the information in a private message before making it public, and only did this post as a warning to help collectors who might have been misinformed (have you updated or deleted the sale as you said you would do?)
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Maybe this can become the post with the most replies AND the most views?
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this is an ego measuring device after it's design was finished.
some people only need the portion to the left of the maker's thumb
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26814476_1804151379660242_5568115206487901201_n.jpg?oh=9f786e207744f4e4d19f9b43f5502c95&oe=5AE5EAB7)
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Which thumb?
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this is an ego measuring device after it's design was finished.
some people only need the portion to the left of the maker's thumb
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26814476_1804151379660242_5568115206487901201_n.jpg?oh=9f786e207744f4e4d19f9b43f5502c95&oe=5AE5EAB7)
And it's 'its', not 'it's'.
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And it's 'its', not 'it's'.
oh shit('s)(s)(')
;)
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Bump
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It must take a really long time to correct items in their archive.
The original still hasn't been updated or deleted.
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It has been nearly half an hour since this topic was bumped to the top with a gratuitous post that has nothing to do with the original topic, so obviously the bumpees are too busy to do so right now, so I thought I would help them out by bumping it for them.
If enough All Poster Forum members keep reading the words "Another Emovieposter Auction - Reprint Poster Sold as Original", maybe some more of them will start believing it.
I feel you Bruce... just like people will believe that talking Belgian is a plus if you want to be an expert and also national language of Belgium.
I knew it was a gag, actually I have heard that unoriginal gag about a thousand times! But gag or not gag, most of the time, the originator of this joke is always told by someone (usually a Belgian guy) that Belgium has three national languages (French, Dutch and German). The person speaking out got in the gag, he does this simply because, believe it or not, there are always one or two dumb people in the room who have no idea what language is spoken in Belgium, let alone Belgium... and that's actually when the funny part starts, when everybody gives an hollow laugh about the idea of having a dumb in the room (the dumb ones including). I was definitely not in the gag. My Belgian being between life and death at ICU didn't help neither. Do better next time, just like Bruce, time to update your database of gags, ahahaha !
Hollow laugh, just like this thread... hollow and somehow very awkward. Guys, you really hate each other !
I can see, this thread has turned into a battle between testeroned freak teenagers huge and pretty tense ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnWn6Wewuug&feature=youtu.be&t=3m59s
Surely, movie posters collectors should be added to the list of people worried about their size - "Hiya friends. Now just be honest about it. Did you ever consider the possiblity that your penis, and in the case of many dignified ladies, that the size of the titties themselves might provide elements of sub-conscious tension? Weird, twisted anxieties that could force a human being to have to become a politician! A policeman! A jesuit monk! A rock and roll guitar player! A wino! You name it. Or in the case of the ladies, the ones that can't afford a silicone BEEF-UP, may become writers of hot books"
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As for Simes reply, I don't understand it !
"you aren't in on the gag.... ;)"
"...and if we agree, we, and the internet, is an all inclusive environment, so as not to alienate any newcomers, would a brief sentence to explain encourage our brethren unto our bosom?"
Is this bible jargon or Afro-American vernacular English from minstrel ? I guess the second... but I fail to understand the gag here.
As for vernacular, I discovered it while listening to Thing Fish - "Done found some low-rent housin' in a one-dimensional cardbode nativity box on some Italian's funt lawn...bunch o' crab-grass underneath de offspring fo quick 'n easy sanitatium...shit! Y'all provvly be savin' up fo yo first LAVA LAMP putty soon!" (The White Boy Trouble) - or watching Airplane.
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Anyway, I have just paid for my last package from EMP. I am done with posters! I came here daily and tried to engage, but for sure, this place looks a bit like entering a small town council, that place where people all know each other by name, keeps making inside jokes and have fun bashing, they know history behind every major posters... and show little appreciation to new comers. A small world indeed, let me ask, who hasn't fuck who here? Or a VIP retirement home... Are in still in the gag here ??
I shall reiterate what I said and what many said, EMP has offered great services over the last xx years I bought posters from them and they are very very accommodating and flexible; and their staff are good, proactive and nice. I have dealt with other posters sellers (not many, about three) and not a single one managed to beat EMP.
I wish a) EMP could prospect for some warehouses locally so that international buyers willing to hold their posters for a much longer period can do it at local warehouses against small fee; b) and allow me to keep account while blocking bidding for a year or so under Addiction Protection Act (if there is such thing).
I shall lurk from now on! Cheers!
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Anyway, I have just paid for my last package from EMP. I am done with posters! I came here daily and tried to engage, but for sure, this place looks a bit like entering a small town council, that place where people all know each other by name, keeps making inside jokes and have fun bashing, they know history behind every major posters... and show little appreciation to new comers. A small world indeed, let me ask, who hasn't fuck who here? Or a VIP retirement home... Are in still in the gag here ??
I shall reiterate what I said and what many said, EMP has offered great services over the last xx years I bought posters from them and they are very very accommodating and flexible; and their staff are good, proactive and nice. I have dealt with other posters sellers (not many, about three) and not a single one managed to beat EMP.
I shall lurk from now on! Cheers!
Or you could just quit this forum, and just go on collecting. Either way, thanks for all the kind words.
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As for Simes reply, I don't understand it !
Is this bible jargon or Afro-American vernacular English from minstrel ? I guess the second... but I fail to understand the gag here.
I guess we may be none the wiser about each others' words in perpetuity... That said, and in the interests of second chance, I was only asking of those aware of the gag, to make others who are not aware, aware. Thereby making everyone feel comfortable as opposed to excluded.
Amen.
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Or you could just quit this forum, and just go on collecting. Either way, thanks for all the kind words.
Just to mention that there are other forums which manage this sort of meltdown much better. Try one of them.
But APF still has the most traffic.
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So to summarize so far:
1) Emovieposter listed a commercial reprint as a theatrical poster
2) Emovieposter was made aware of the mistake in their listing, but says there is conflicting information
3) Average Joe posts a warning so that other collectors won't mistakenly buy a reprint as an original
4) an Expert speaks up and agrees that yes the poster is a commercial reprint
5) buyer loves poster and just wanted the image
6) Emovieposter purposely keeps information that a reprint is an original poster in their archive
7) Hilarity and inside jokes ensue.
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So to summarize so far:
1) Emovieposter listed a commercial reprint as a theatrical poster
2) Emovieposter was made aware of the mistake in their listing, but says there is conflicting information
3) Average Joe posts a warning so that other collectors won't mistakenly buy a reprint as an original
4) an Expert speaks up and agrees that yes the poster is a commercial reprint
5) buyer loves poster and just wanted the image
6) Emovieposter purposely keeps information that a reprint is an original poster in their archive
7) Hilarity and inside jokes ensue.
8) Crowzilla continues to post and fume about the lack of respect for his expert status.
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8) Crowzilla continues to post and fume about the lack of respect for his expert status.
again, don't care about that - I care about the fact that emovie's archives represent a commercial poster as being an original theatrical poster.
why do I care about this? because many people look at these archives as being an authoritative source, and thanks to Bruce's gathering of information and years of experience they usually are, so I hate the idea of someone in the future buying a reprint and thinking it's an original.
A very large part of this and other forums is to exchange information and help collectors out, keep them from making mistakes and buying reprints as originals. Why is it ok to point out stamped Pulp Fictions as being reprints, but not ok to point out an item in Emovie's archive is also a reprint?
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A very large part of this and other forums is to exchange information and help collectors out, keep them from making mistakes and buying reprints as originals. Why is it ok to point out stamped Pulp Fictions as being reprints, but not ok to point out an item in Emovie's archive is also a reprint?
this is exactly correct.
Should the group stop talking about Posterfix and their crappy work?
Maybe we should stop posting about Tom Loce
If we stop posting about 'Minty Whites' do you people think it would be a benefit to the hobby?
which Ebay sellers are we allowed to post about outrageous pricing, shit grading, poor photos, stock photos, lack of descriptions, selling fake Star Wars posters or hairy belts and which ones not?
how about the long thread about an Australian Robin Hood three sheet Heritage sold that Bruce started the thread over on VMPF that goes on for pages and pages? Was that wrong for people to post about and discuss?
there is some hypocrisy about the philosophy that there are people who should not be spoken about when/if mistakes are made.
Nobody said Bruce makes mistakes on purpose, but how long should a poster that the experts agree is a commercial poster be left in his archive after the discussion has begun and how many times should someone be told before they finally, under a grumble, remove or correct the item in a database used as a baseline by many people?
nobody was being nasty, nobody was accused of shill bidding, crappy packages, poor customer service, 19% buyers premium or selling Pulp Fictions without the Little Man.
some people need to man up about measured critique, which is all this thread is. I'm not Superman, Grey Smith isn't Superman, Sean isn't Superman and nobody at EMP is Superman either. People make mistakes and the measure of a man is how you react to critique, not how they sweep it under a rug.
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I just find the whole thing confusing, and the only thing I am sure of is that there is something about this incident that remains hidden.
When I see something wrong about a listing, I generally report it. Different auction houses tend to have varying reactions, but emovie.com has always responded quickly and, where necessary, either repaired or withdrawn the listing. My experience is so different that I tend to believe that something about attitude, etc caused this reaction. emovieposter did note that the authenticity was controversial and offered to let the buyer off the hook.
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I just find the whole thing confusing, and the only thing I am sure of is that there is something about this incident that remains hidden.
When I see something wrong about a listing, I generally report it. Different auction houses tend to have varying reactions, but emovie.com has always responded quickly and, where necessary, either repaired or withdrawn the listing. My experience is so different that I tend to believe that something about attitude, etc caused this reaction. emovieposter did note that the authenticity was controversial and offered to let the buyer off the hook.
Jayn, I've noted several times that I am puzzled by Emovie's reaction and previously have had nothing but good things to say in how quickly they respond to questions and corrections. (and most of the time just with my word about what it is, not having to go through the "proof" that was requested and given this time.)
But there is nothing "controversial" about the authenticity of this item. It is a commercial reprint, plain and simple.
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I just find the whole thing confusing, and the only thing I am sure of is that there is something about this incident that remains hidden.
When I see something wrong about a listing, I generally report it. Different auction houses tend to have varying reactions, but emovie.com has always responded quickly and, where necessary, either repaired or withdrawn the listing. My experience is so different that I tend to believe that something about attitude, etc caused this reaction. emovieposter did note that the authenticity was controversial and offered to let the buyer off the hook.
Jay, I DJD respond quickly, and I did remove those results from my Auction History Database at http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archive.html. Those were removed quite a while ago.
So once again it seems I am being accused of something I did not do. Of course I may be mistaken, so please show me where they are in the Auction History Database.
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Jay, I DJD respond quickly, and I did remove those results from my Auction History Database at http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archive.html. Those were removed quite a while ago.
So once again it seems I am being accused of something I did not do. Of course I may be mistaken, so please show me where they are in the Auction History Database.
Even though you addressed this to Jay, I will point out that the poster in question we are talking about is this one:
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823161 (http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823161), as seen on page one of this thread.
It seems to still be in your database (and it should be as it was an actual sale) with the incorrect labeling.
Of course I may be mistaken also.
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Oh, I think I get it now - the incorrect information remains since you are unsure if it is a commercial reprint or not, but you have excluded it from showing in your search results.
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That site is not on eMoviePoster.com and no one ever goes there for past auction results, because they only archive them for a while.
But since it is SO important, I will attempt to have the owners of that site remove the result as well.
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http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823161 (http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823161)
That site is not on eMoviePoster.com
The auction site is on emovieposter.com (look at the auction url), though it is run by a 3rd party integrated into emovieposter.com
It is easy for Joe Public to be confused by this.
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The auction site is on emovieposter.com (look at the auction url), though it is run by a 3rd party integrated into emovieposter.com
It is easy for Joe Public to be confused by this.
It is NOT on eMoviePoster.com and it is not "integrated into eMoviePoster.com", no more so than a web page on MoviePoster.com that had a URL of "http://www.emovieposter.com.google" would be on the google site.
Nevertheless, I will ask that site to delete that page.
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It is integrated into your emovieposter.com URL. as your subdomain "auction" of auction.emovieposter.com points to the 3rd party auction. This pointing/integration has been done by your team (or whoever owns/has access to emovieposter.com URL) not the auction company.
Having auction results from the auction company end up in EMP results archive also shows some form of integration between the two.
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Sounds like bruce was right... So I guess this thread should dissappear from the archive?
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I guess we may be none the wiser about each others' words in perpetuity... That said, and in the interests of second chance, I was only asking of those aware of the gag, to make others who are not aware, aware. Thereby making everyone feel comfortable as opposed to excluded.
Amen.
Funny, last time I engaged here and ask for "expert" advice, the thread went into similar form. Simes gave me a complete guessed answer, followed by below-zero justifications using pompous terms like "Sir" to defend his previous post... to finally admit, between five inside jokes about Bond expert, that he was facetious and humble at the same time, giving me estimate which were actually offerings. The thread end up without a single interesting answer (except ocularbeing) but lot of totally uninteresting answers.
...and if we agree, we, and the internet, is an all inclusive environment, so as not to alienate any newcomers, would a brief sentence to explain encourage our brethren unto our bosom?
We are clearly none the wiser about each others Simes (I had to Google this one, I understand it means we will never go along, isn't it?; English is not my primary language), I don't need your facetious gibbering bible-jargon or whatever it is (is the quoted sentence above even English and understandable, I wonder ?), and I have no interest for a second chance as talking with you/understanding you is harder than talking to/understanding a five year boy. We are done here !
I know you are not a "Bond expert", let me ask, are you a priest or a vicar ? Only a priest or a vicar would come out with such old archaic English mumbo-jumbo (from Crusade to Amen passing by bosom and brethren)!
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I just find the whole thing confusing, and the only thing I am sure of is that there is something about this incident that remains hidden.
When I see something wrong about a listing, I generally report it. Different auction houses tend to have varying reactions, but emovie.com has always responded quickly and, where necessary, either repaired or withdrawn the listing. My experience is so different that I tend to believe that something about attitude, etc caused this reaction. emovieposter did note that the authenticity was controversial and offered to let the buyer off the hook.
And, Jayn_J, that's the all problem about this forum, a concentrate of the intimate and collusive poster-collector world, who are retaining and/or divulging information primary for their own purpose. Most of my threads/posts about fake Thai posters ended up in even more confusing state and no answer (although I got answer by PMs), so I am not sure about nice answers below about telling the truth and help each other, I got a completely different experience, more like don't speak out and beware of what you are saying here. There is lot of secrecy indeed. I thing I know for sure, I am not the first one to leave this forum.
I have tried other places, same people, same stuff (if not duplicate), same attitude.
Cheers
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It is NOT on eMoviePoster.com and it is not "integrated into eMoviePoster.com", no more so than a web page on MoviePoster.com that had a URL of "http://www.emovieposter.com.google" would be on the google site.
Nevertheless, I will ask that site to delete that page.
Still unsure as to why you wouldn't update your actual sale to the correct information, but on behalf of collectors everywhere who might be misled by the false information I appreciate you taking the time to get that other site to remove it.
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And, Jayn_J, that's the all problem about this forum, a concentrate of the intimate and collusive poster-collector world, who are retaining and/or divulging information primary for their own purpose. Most of my threads/posts about fake Thai posters ended up in even more confusing state and no answer (although I got answer by PMs), so I am not sure about nice answers below about telling the truth and help each other, I got a completely different experience, more like don't speak out and beware of what you are saying here. There is lot of secrecy indeed. I thing I know for sure, I am not the first one to leave this forum.
I have tried other places, same people, same stuff (if not duplicate), same attitude.
Cheers
Hey BB,
I think we have all posted or started threads that got little or nor replies.
And at the same time, if members don't have or know the answer to yours (or anyone's) questions, then that is why members dont reply, either. I'm sure some dont reply, even of they might have an answer or theory on a question, but I would think those are in the minority.
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OMG, this thread is still going... notworthy.gif
Big Boss, so many of our threads go unanswered. That's the nature of a forum. I don't reply to threads that do not interest me, I don't comment on posters I don't like or care for, and so on. Others do the same with my stuff. How many posters have I posted with crickets for reply? There is nothing wrong with that. People care for some stuff and don't for other. Mel posts a lot of comments that get no traction, yet he keeps going because he knows his comments are being read by many. We all have different tastes and different interests. You cannot assume that what is important to you will be to others. Sometimes you'll get an answer, sometimes not. Maybe it's not something for you, but that's how it is.
T
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And, Jayn_J, that's the all problem about this forum, a concentrate of the intimate and collusive poster-collector world, who are retaining and/or divulging information primary for their own purpose. Most of my threads/posts about fake Thai posters ended up in even more confusing state and no answer (although I got answer by PMs), so I am not sure about nice answers below about telling the truth and help each other, I got a completely different experience, more like don't speak out and beware of what you are saying here. There is lot of secrecy indeed. I thing I know for sure, I am not the first one to leave this forum.
I have tried other places, same people, same stuff (if not duplicate), same attitude.
Cheers
Not sure what you are looking for. My collecting is personal to me. I don't need personal validation. Sometime I get something that I am so excited about that I post it. As often as not, I get crickets back. Just happened here today.
When someone asks a question, I will answer if I have knowledge of the subject. I'd rather stay silent than spread mis-information, and I don't pretend to be an expert on any of this. There is always someone out there who has better/more direct information. I've been collecting for 30 years, but mostly isolated from the core groups of dealers.
I come here to listen to the experience of others, to visit with friends, and sometimes to hear the stories. I ignore the knowitalls as it really doesn't apply to me.
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The item is now removed from both sites.
See http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823161
And of course, the title of this thread is in no way correct. The two posters in question are ones where an American Godzilla expert claims they are DVD inserts, and a Japanese poster expert claims they were first used theatrically. Since no one has presented definitive proof either way, I have removed both posters from our Auction History (and from the site that hosts our auctions), and I will never again auction either poster until someone does present definitive proof either way.
The honorable thing to do would be to change the title of this thread to something like "Emovieposter Auctions Reputed DVD Posters As Theatrical" but I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
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Sean is 100% correct on this.
The illustration version B2 posters he pointed out are commercial reprints. Only the B1 sizes are legitimate cinema posters.
Armin
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And of course, the title of this thread is in no way correct. The two posters in question are ones where an American Godzilla expert claims they are DVD inserts, and a Japanese poster expert claims they were first used theatrically. Since no one has presented definitive proof either way, I have removed both posters from our Auction History (and from the site that hosts our auctions), and I will never again auction either poster until someone does present definitive proof either way.
The honorable thing to do would be to change the title of this thread to something like "Emovieposter Auctions Reputed DVD Posters As Theatrical" but I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
I never claimed that is was a DVD insert (and we are talking about one poster, I am not sure what the second poster is of which you are speaking) .
Did you even read the what I wrote about the how and why those commercial reprints were made?
Did you tell this set of facts to your Japanese poster expert and ask him if he may have been mistaken?
I won't hold my breath for that either.
The title of the thread is 100% correct.
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Just reading the latest in this thread, and I guess I missed something.
Where was it suggested or mentioned that the poster discussed was a "DVD insert" type of poster? (And what is a "DVD insert?" What size would that be?) dontknow.gif
As far as changing the thread title to something like that, when there was no previous reference to it being some kind of DVD poster, would make the thread totally confusing (imho).
In addition, thread posts or thread titles are not changed or altered, unless the author of a particular post, or creator of a thread, asks that something be amended, added or changed (or to replace a lost or damaged photo link).
Of course, if something is posted that is outright nasty, attacking, name calling, etc, those kinds of things might be removed entirely, as Holiday indicated in a thread of his, a while back: http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,7639.msg142643.html#msg142643
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And why mention "American" Godzilla expert and "Japanese" poster expert?
What does nationality have to do with anything?
Unless you are somehow saying he is an expert on Japanese posters (like Armin Junge who also stated it's a commercial reprint)
and the other person is an expert on American Godzilla items, but that makes no sense in this context.
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bumped just because we don't know what poster Bruce is even talking about and apparently didn't read the explanation I posted on the first page.
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I got the information about the DVD insert from the post that started this thread, to wit:
"I also informed him that this Ohrai poster he is selling as a teaser is actually a bonus for the CD Soundtrack (it is even labeled as such in Japanese at the bottom with the Toshiba/EMI catalog numbers) made by the Toho Fan Club, but that also fell on deaf ears.
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823162"
I guess that is a different poster that was also being complained about, and I apologize for referencing the wrong poster.
To sum up, however, there was a poster that one "expert" said was one thing, and another said was another. Since neither supplied definitive proof either way, I emailed the buyer all the information I had received, and offered to take the poster back. He replied that he wanted to keep it.
Now I have removed the item from our Auction History, and also gotten the site that hosts our auctions to remove the closed auction. If anyone were to offer me this poster again (and you would think there are tons of them out there, being that it is supposedly a commercial reprint), I will refuse to auction another one, unless I am given definitive proof as to what it is.
Most of you know this, but I (and my 29 employees) prepare 3,000 auctions a week (which can be found at http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/13.html, http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/14.html, and http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/15.html).
There is NO way we won't make a few mistakes with this volume. When we are alerted to a mistake, we fix it.
Anyone who only wants to deal with a mistake-free auction company is free to do so, and anyone who feels this thread reflects poorly on us should absolutely stop having any dealings with us.
Thanks!
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Sean is 100% correct on this.
The illustration version B2 posters he pointed out are commercial reprints. Only the B1 sizes are legitimate cinema posters.
Armin
Armin makes two 'experts'
considering that both Sean Armin are themselves globally recognized 'experts' in Japanese posters, the attempt to downgrade Sean's expertise is a silly exercise
They are the go-to guys for anything JP
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I got the information about the DVD insert from the post that started this thread, to wit:
"I also informed him that this Ohrai poster he is selling as a teaser is actually a bonus for the CD Soundtrack (it is even labeled as such in Japanese at the bottom with the Toshiba/EMI catalog numbers) made by the Toho Fan Club, but that also fell on deaf ears.
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=4823162"
Yes, the "this other" was pointing out that a Toho Fan Club poster was also not a theatrical one - but it was a different poster to the first one linked and the one an explanation was posted about and certainly has nothing to do with DVDs.
Do you not find it interesting that in the couple of decades since this movie came out, and despite selling over 1,000,000 posters, with multiple examples of most every 90s Godzilla poster, that you were never offered this piece until the commercial reprint set came out?
Most of you know this, but I (and my 29 employees) prepare 3,000 auctions a week
There is NO way we won't make a few mistakes with this volume. When we are alerted to a mistake, we fix it.
I noted this prior - "I understand that when you list almost 150,000 items a year, sometimes you will make a mistake, and the fact that we don't have a weekly thread on mistakes shows it isn't often - but i just wish that when someone who has demonstrated expertise in an area points out one of those mistakes (like me with Godzilla, or Tang Lung with Bruce Lee) that they would listen a little more closely. "
And as this thread points out, you clearly didn't listen when someone alerted you to a mistake.
My information came straight from Toho, how is that not reliable, and not more credible than someone who said, "yes I saw this image 25 years ago in a theater" - which I already pointed out, could very likely have happened?
I have no idea who your expert is, other than that they are Japanese which I guess automatically makes them at least as credible as someone who has literally spent decades gathering information on this niche.
To me that is like saying John Kisch is only as good an expert on Black Cast posters as someone who is black, simply because they are black.
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Nearly 2,000 views.
I guess some people do care that Emovieposter ignores experts and willing sells a commercial reprint as original.
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Give it a rest, guys. See : http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2899.msg228767.html#msg228767
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Good idea.
Beach party anyone?
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Good idea.
Beach party anyone?
Why Not?
(http://users.frii.com/~cindy/posters/title%20cards/lc_beach_party_1.jpg)
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Is Bruce the one in the big slippers?
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Enjoy the beach everyone.