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Common Poster Subjects => Valuation => Topic started by: guest4981 on October 23, 2017, 10:17:24 AM
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I understand I'm paying for the time/effort someone else spent to acquire the posters not "just the poster" itself.
As someone who's time poor with little interest in spending time hunting rare posters online I'm happy to pay someone for their time and convenience of buying hassle-free, today.
That said, as a newer collector I'd like to know I'm paying a fair value and want to ask your opinion(s) on price of this 1975 rolled Jaws 1sht (http://marqueeposter.com/product/jaws-1975-us-1-sheet/). Is $2850.00 about right? Thanks.
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Good Q.
If you check the HA/EMP auction history, as explained on my website (http://moviepostercollectors.guide/Valuation.html), you'll find that ROLLED Jaws 1S posters very rarely come up for auction.
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-23%20at%2011.25.41%20AM_zpsuzqteana.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-23%20at%2011.19.45%20AM_zpsgmh6vgug.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-23%20at%2011.19.59%20AM_zpsxvom1vxh.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-23%20at%2011.23.32%20AM_zpsuqktufrc.jpg)
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Here's a linen-backed 1S that sold for $900:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-23%20at%2011.25.28%20AM_zpslczeoutx.jpg)
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Here's a recent folded 1S:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-23%20at%2011.38.15%20AM_zpswiym5m8j.jpg)
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I know that Marquee is a member here and I have a question (sorry Matt. Forgot it was you)
why does your site not mention anyone's name, has no phone numbers to contact anyone, no address and the only way to open a door to contact is via the form?
seriously, there isn't even an 'about me' page
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Everyone knows it is Matt - he even has his picture on the site 8)
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Everyone knows it is Matt - he even has his picture on the site 8)
for some reason I didn't recall who. I couldn't find any contact stuff other than the form.
I always recommend having names and bio information available if possible.
where's the link to his pic? I didn't see that either
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why does your site not mention anyone's name, has no phone numbers to contact anyone, no address and the only way to open a door to contact is via the form?
seriously, there isn't even an 'about me' page
For starters, my site is a continual work in progress. I still only have a few hundred of my posters listed -- new content is always my first priority. My website has lots of needed updates including additional category galleries, an about me page, more blog posts on authentication and photographing posters, etc... Please bare with me while it all gets flushed out over time.
Also, I don't have a physical store. I guess I could put up the address of my UPS box -- but I'm not sure what that really does for clients, while it will definitely get me a bunch of junk mail!
Thanks for the feedback Rich!
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For starters, my site is a continual work in progress. I still only have a few hundred of my posters listed -- new content is always my first priority. My website has lots of needed updates including additional category galleries, an about me page, more blog posts on authentication and photographing posters, etc... Please bare with me while it all gets flushed out over time.
Also, I don't have a physical store. I guess I could put up the address of my UPS box -- but I'm not sure what that really does for clients, while it will definitely get me a bunch of junk mail!
Thanks for the feedback Rich!
sorry if it was a little snarky Matt. Still sipping that first cup of coffee. I couldn't even remember who it was .. lol
But yes, you should actually have some about me and address info on the site. One of the first things people do when they see something of interest is wanting to find out who you are.
I only use my POBox, because I don't have a physical store either. My business license isn't for walk-in biz
I don't get that much junk mail.. as a matter of fact, the amount of junk mail to businesses has decreased considerably over teh past 10 years.. It's spam phone calls you get. about 5 a day
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Thanks SundanceKid for actually addressing my question regarding value of the Jaws poster. I appreciate that.
And thank you for the very helpful archived values, and for the helpful resource and overview of collecting.
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Anyone one else own one of these or have thoughts on value? aside from random quibble about the website which speaks nothing to the question. Thanks if so.
I know, whether buying a car or a poster, dealers need to tack on room to "work with", just trying to figure out what a solid offer would be. Thank you.
edit: based on the auction results I'd say 2K would be the minimum given the seller's efforts and time and 2500 would be a reasonable offer?
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I know, whether buying a car or a poster, dealers need to tack on room to "work with"
Newer rolled cars would have a larger mark up, than an old car. Reverse likely true for posters
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based on the auction results I'd say 2K would be the minimum given the seller's efforts and time and 2500 would be a reasonable offer?
Maybe offer a bit more than asking, say $3000 but if you need to wiggle, go down 5%. By offering more, the seller, whoever he is might help you out looking for other stuff giving you first dibs, though you might have to again pay above asking price
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Anyone one else own one of these or have thoughts on value? aside from random quibble about the website which speaks nothing to the question. Thanks if so.
I know, whether buying a car or a poster, dealers need to tack on room to "work with", just trying to figure out what a solid offer would be. Thank you.
edit: based on the auction results I'd say 2K would be the minimum given the seller's efforts and time and 2500 would be a reasonable offer?
well, Matt is right here (the owner of the site is Harry Caul, who posted above)
why not message him & see what you can wrangle..
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Thanks SundanceKid for actually addressing my question regarding value of the Jaws poster. I appreciate that.
And thank you for the very helpful archived values, and for the helpful resource and overview of collecting.
Thanks but curious why you really want a rolled 1S? I'd be perfectly happy with an LB 1S like this:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/s-l1600_zpsjlysobnl.jpg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-24%20at%203.28.33%20AM_zpslafgpbva.jpg)
Withe money you save you can buy several more posters (scroll down to Jaws):
www.eatbrie.com/1975-1976.htm (http://www.eatbrie.com/1975-1976.htm)
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Thanks but curious why you really want a rolled 1S? I'd be perfectly happy with an LB 1S like this:
Withe money you save you can buy several more posters (scroll down to Jaws):
Many people dislike linenbacking, unless it's some super old incredibly rare poster where it's absolutely necessary.
For something like Jaws (of which there are plenty of rolled copies), I'd happily pay the premium for a proper rolled 1sh over a linenbacked folded 1sh.
Linenbacked modern posters suck. There's a near perfect rolled Blade Runner on EMP right now that someone ruined by backing it. I'd be interested in bidding if that weren't the case. I don't get it, really.
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Many people dislike linenbacking, unless it's some super old incredibly rare poster where it's absolutely necessary.
For something like Jaws (of which there are plenty of rolled copies), I'd happily pay the premium for a proper rolled 1sh over a linenbacked folded 1sh.
Linenbacked modern posters suck. There's a near perfect rolled Blade Runner on EMP right now that someone ruined by backing it. I'd be interested in bidding if that weren't the case. I don't get it, really.
I quite agree, JCM. To back folded or rolled mint, or near mint posters is something I dont get.
Linen backing is a preservation and conservation solution, imho. But I also know that opinions and arguments on this subject vary widely.
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Many people dislike linenbacking, unless it's some super old incredibly rare poster where it's absolutely necessary.
For something like Jaws (of which there are plenty of rolled copies), I'd happily pay the premium for a proper rolled 1sh over a linenbacked folded 1sh.
Linenbacked modern posters suck. There's a near perfect rolled Blade Runner on EMP right now that someone ruined by backing it. I'd be interested in bidding if that weren't the case. I don't get it, really.
I couldn't agree more with this, as concerns my own collecting interests
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In Canada linenbacking is essential to keep posters from freezing to death (fake news)
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For something like Jaws (of which there are plenty of rolled copies), I'd happily pay the premium for a proper rolled 1sh over a linenbacked folded 1sh.
I wasn't aware there were plenty of rolled copies. If so, I need to get myself another one. I only own one rolled and one folded, but I wouldn't mind owning two rolled.
Time to start looking... thumbsup.gif
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GO DODGERS
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Jaws rolled 1Ss are not "plentiful" by any stretch of the imagination, maybe coming up for auction once a year.
Of course, rolled 1960s/70s one sheets are great but they're really not for general/casual collectors. Frame 'em up and brag to non-collectors that they're "rolled" and they could care less. They'll be just as impressed by a much cheaper folded/LB 1S and with the additional Jaws posters you bought with the money you saved:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/2011-05-Den4_zpsjsqhvt9a.jpg)
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Of course, rolled 1960s/70s one sheets are great but they're really not for general/casual collectors. Frame 'em up and brag to non-collectors that they're "rolled" and they could care less. They'll be just as impressed by a much cheaper folded/LB 1S and with the additional Jaws posters you bought with the money you saved:
Of course, if he ever goes to sell then his linenbacked Jaws will just be another face in the crowd and one that will turn off a large number of collectors just because of the fact that it's backed, whereas with a mint rolled copy the only discussion will be on the price.
Halcyon, I think your estimate is fine and I wish you luck in your negotiations.
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Jaws rolled 1Ss are not "plentiful" by any stretch of the imagination, maybe coming up for auction once a year.
Maybe the same ones keep transferring back and forth, then. I see them for sale often and I put in very little effort.
Off the top of my head over the past 2 years: EMP auctioned two or three... Dave had and sold several on eBay... HA auctioned a few. This isn't including any private sales, shows or forum sales or finds... I specifically remember a few being privately negotiated when I was asking around last year. Let's not forget any of the insane resellers or whatever other rando's on eBay sell them every now and then. I thought Matt (Marquee) had one last year too; I could be wrong there.
Way, way more than one per year. And yes I'm still looking for one to replace my folded copy.
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In Canada linenbacking is essential to keep posters from freezing to death (fake news)
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Maybe the same ones keep transferring back and forth, then. I see them for sale often and I put in very little effort.
Off the top of my head over the past 2 years: EMP auctioned two or three... Dave had and sold several on eBay... HA auctioned a few.
I don't believe this is correct. Looking back at EMP archives I do not see a single unbacked rolled copy sold since 2014, and I don't see one for HA since 2013.
I do see that the 2013 one from HA does have the make an offer feature, so you might be able to purchase it for a price you like.
https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/horror/jaws-universal-1975-one-sheet-27-x-41-horror/a/161321-53263.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
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I see them for sale often and I put in very little effort.
This got me intrigued, so I checked Emovie (3 sold in the past 6 years, none before that) and HA (3 sold in the past 5 years, none before that).
Please let me know the next time you see one for sale, soon I hope. You must be very good at this and I must be very bad since I never see them.
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Anyone one else own one of these or have thoughts on value? aside from random quibble about the website which speaks nothing to the question. Thanks if so.
I know, whether buying a car or a poster, dealers need to tack on room to "work with", just trying to figure out what a solid offer would be. Thank you.
edit: based on the auction results I'd say 2K would be the minimum given the seller's efforts and time and 2500 would be a reasonable offer?
What is the purpose of you acquiring one? To frame? To sell? To me the end game of the poster you are in search of makes all the difference in the world.
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How about to stick in a drawer? What's your answer, Ben?
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Off the top of my head over the past 2 years: EMP auctioned two or three... Dave had and sold several on eBay... HA auctioned a few.
I believe JCM was taking a bite
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How about to stick in a drawer? What's your answer, Ben?
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Was asking about his intentions with it just because if he doesn't collect and wants to frame up and display a Jaws poster then he shouldn't be scared from one on linen. Save some $ (feasibly) and is less tricky to frame as the spacers will grab and secure the piece on the actual linen. Of course this is just one possibility, was curious what he wants it for.
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This got me intrigued, so I checked Emovie (3 sold in the past 6 years, none before that) and HA (3 sold in the past 5 years, none before that).
Please let me know the next time you see one for sale, soon I hope. You must be very good at this and I must be very bad since I never see them.
Dave's got two rolled Jaws 1sh on eBay right now. One is backed, one isn't. You can afford either; go for it.
Also, send a few inquiries to a few of the larger dealers if you're serious. A lot of them are sitting on copies they'd happily sell. At least they were last year when I inquired.
I'm interested but not at $2k+.
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I have a hard time dropping a lot of money on a poster that is so common as a reprint. Am I alone in that?
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(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ICkAAOSw-olZ9gkp/s-l1600.jpg)
Everybody will say the sig is a fake but I'd hazard there's some chance is legit bc few will buy it with a sig so a smart seller won't ruin/devalue a legit poster with a fake sig.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/172954241073 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/172954241073)
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I messaged the seller says they said it measures 27x40" -- so regardless of whether the sig is real, the poster is definitely fake. There is no known original with that NSS/title/fine print configuration.
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Dave's got two rolled Jaws 1sh on eBay right now. One is backed, one isn't. You can afford either; go for it.
If it's backed, it's not rolled. I see a backed one, but I don't see the rolled one.
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I messaged the seller says they said it measures 27x40" -- so regardless of whether the sig is real, the poster is definitely fake. There is no known original with that NSS/title/fine print configuration.
For sure it's fake. The rolled ones came from the same printer, with the NSS disclaimer center left.
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Surprised Dave hasn't sold the Japanese B0 yet. Now that's pretty rare.
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Surprised Dave hasn't sold the Japanese B0 yet. Now that's pretty rare.
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Yep about logo placement:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/lf-2_zpskfez4skx.jpeg)
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/lf_zps2te06nrw.jpeg)
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Mark Lawd has a guaranteed sig:
(http://moviepostercollectors.guide/MPC_Authentication_ET_Unreleased_OS_files/IMG_0141.jpg)
Compare:
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/s-l1600_zps4avxbd56.jpg)
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If it's backed, it's not rolled. I see a backed one, but I don't see the rolled one.
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It sold yesterday. Or, he removed it. It's gone. Maybe he'll chime in but it was there yesterday.
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If it sold because of your comments, you need to ask him for a commission.
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Another one @ $2,500: https://www.ebay.com/itm/JAWS-STEVEN-SPIELBERG-SHARK-HORROR-1975-1-SHEET-ROLLED-NEAR-MINT-UNUSED/162293379509?hash=item25c97071b5:g:2eUAAOSw5cNYNiiA (https://www.ebay.com/itm/JAWS-STEVEN-SPIELBERG-SHARK-HORROR-1975-1-SHEET-ROLLED-NEAR-MINT-UNUSED/162293379509?hash=item25c97071b5:g:2eUAAOSw5cNYNiiA)
Both of Dave's are gone. His backed copy and the regular rolled copy. The backed copy was also rolled (like the EMP Blade Runner that sold yesterday).
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RqqLz_SUBq8/UIyqZNBCmVI/AAAAAAAACUE/XSiiAJWChRY/s1600/Price+is+Right+logo2.jpg)
Actual retail value of a VF rolled is....
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202018-06-03%20at%205.04.07%20PM_zpsssk9lbts.jpg)
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Mailed Halycon in advance but heard nothin' back....
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202018-06-03%20at%205.19.20%20PM_zpsi0hidx4k.jpg)
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Odd, the auction final price JUMPED to $3,715 at EMP in just a few months:
http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=5242694 (http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=5242694)