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Common Poster Subjects => Valuation => Topic started by: Test1 on April 12, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
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No doubt most on these forums will know all about the classy UK quad for "A Nightmare on Elm Street" done by the artist Graham Humphreys, I was just wondering what sort of value you'd put on this poster in rolled/un-folded condition?
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£350 is a sensible price for a rolled one, but I have seen them up in the 600 range...
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No doubt most on these forums will know all about the classy UK quad for "A Nightmare on Elm Street" done by the artist Graham Humphreys, I was just wondering what sort of value you'd put on this poster in rolled/un-folded condition?
Do you own a copy, John?
If so, can you snap and post a pic? prayer.gif
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The pound is not worth anything anymore, so you should probably try to get it in the UK, because it'd be worth a lot more in the US. Bruce sold a folded one for $800 2 years ago.
T
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Thanks! everyone for the feedback, greatly appreciated.
@Jeff No I don't own a rolled one was "thinking" about going for one but worried about the price and was interested to see what value you guys would put on this particular poster.
This is the one I was looking at: (it's not just the price of the quad itself, but, more so the shipping/custom charges etc. to get it sent over to the UK)
http://marqueeposter.com/product/nightmare-on-elm-street-1984-uk-quad/
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£350 is a sensible price for a rolled one, but I have seen them up in the 600 range...
I recently sold a folded one for just over £300 :o
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Thanks! everyone for the feedback, greatly appreciated.
@Jeff No I don't own a rolled one was "thinking" about going for one but worried about the price and was interested to see what value you guys would put on this particular poster.
This is the one I was looking at: (it's not just the price of the quad itself, but, more so the shipping/custom charges etc. to get it sent over to the UK)
http://marqueeposter.com/product/nightmare-on-elm-street-1984-uk-quad/
$1800.00?? Yikes. faint2.gif :o starz.gif
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$1800.00?? Yikes. faint2.gif :o
This is why I posted on here Jeff, wanted to see the reaction ;D
Should just add the owner Matt (friendly guy) is open to "sensible" offers, but, there's no doubt it's an awful lot of money, I was just intrigued to see how much value the majority placed on this particular poster.
Just for the record, I think a good rolled one could/should be worth £700-£800 that's just going on what I've seen folded ones sold for by dealers in the UK (around £500)
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I would defer to Paul Waines and his price assessment on this item. He's got his finger on the "quad price pulse." thumbsup.gif
As well as checking what emp sold their 2 copies for (as a gauge):
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/NIGHTMARE%2520ON%2520ELM%2520STREET%2520%2528%252784%2529/tag/nation%253AU.K./archive.html
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I would defer to Paul Waines and his price assessment on this item. He's got his finger on the "quad price pulse." thumbsup.gif
As well as checking what emp sold their 2 copies for (as a gauge):
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/NIGHTMARE%2520ON%2520ELM%2520STREET%2520%2528%252784%2529/tag/nation%253AU.K./archive.html
Yes, I've seen those two sold on emovieposter, but, they were folded and not in the greatest condition, but, your quite right Jeff world of difference in the price.
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Maybe best to just keep on the search. Unless you are dead set on getting a copy sooner than later, John?
At least you can compare high and low prices, then.
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Maybe best to just keep on the search. Unless you are dead set on getting a copy sooner than later, John?
At least you can compare high and low prices, then.
Yes, that's almost certainly what I'll do in the end, I could get two or three really good UK quad posters for the same cost in buying this NOES and getting it shipped over, I would like a rolled NOES, but, I think I need to be sensible about it. Appreciate all your help Jeff as usual cheers
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The pound is not worth anything anymore, so you should probably try to get it in the UK, because it'd be worth a lot more in the US. Bruce sold a folded one for $800 2 years ago.
T
I think your spot on, finding this poster in the UK is certainly the way to go, only trouble is it is a tough one to find over here rolled, I've seen lots of folded ones over the last year or two on ebay and dealer websites, but, not seen a rolled one in all that time, I'll just have to keep an eye out.
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Good luck it took me many years to find a rolled one that was for sale and only managed to find it last year. So the hard part is finding one. The second hardest is ponying up your £700-£800 or 875-1000USD is what I was thinking and would be lucky to get it at that price nowadays. I think I have seen 3 rolled one for sale in the past 6 years including Matt's.
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Jason, mind if I aske what you snagged your rolled copy for (ballpark)?
I can't imagine it was anywhere even close $1800.00 smackers.
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Good luck it took me many years to find a rolled one that was for sale and only managed to find it last year. So the hard part is finding one. The second hardest is ponying up your £700-£800 or 875-1000USD is what I was thinking and would be lucky to get it at that price nowadays. I think I have seen 3 rolled one for sale in the past 6 years including Matt's.
Thanks! for the "good luck" message, I'll probably need an awful lot of good luck as well to ever find one at a more affordable price.
To be honest I'm more or less quickly moving on from the idea of going for this poster now, I totally get/understand why Matt has this poster priced so high and I'm sure one day someone will come along and offer close to what he's asking for, and I still think it's a cracking poster, but, this one is just to overpriced "for me"
The actual NOES UK quad is not that rare in general, I'm always seeing folded ones many of which are in perfect folded condition and they are often only around £500 at the most, so even though this quad is clearly rare in rolled condition I just don't feel it's worth double the price or more than a perfect condition folded one, it's just silly money (unless your rich) if I had money to throw away then it would be a different story, but, sadly I'm not and never expect to be in such a position.
Just to add that Matt was very fair with me over this poster, he was prepared to listen to offers and the price he offered (I won't say how much as that would be wrong) was actually pretty good in the end, and if I was living in the US I would have been "very" tempted to go for it, but, I'm in the UK and even though Matt dropped to a much fairer price it would still be far to much for me because of the shipping costs and especially the custom charges which were in the hundreds :o but, that's just one of those things that can't be helped.
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Jason, mind if I aske what you snagged your rolled copy for (ballpark)?
I can't imagine it was anywhere even close $1800.00 smackers.
Yeah $1800 amongst collectors is a lot. As for a retail price it is not off base at all. It allows shops to hold onto more inventory and you can always lower the price but can't raise it. And ofcourse everyone that would be interested is going to make a lower offer than asking price.
Matt has the only one for sale besides the palace cinemas copy mounted on foamboard
I paid well enough that... first, I wouldn't part with it for unless $1,800 OBO and that this quad would be tough to let go. And secondly and more important is the time it took to find one. I was persistent and asked many many people if they wanted to sell theirs. At one point I gave up on rolled after being the underbidder on a folded one at over $600. (They weren't showing up then as often as this past year then)
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Thanks for the info, Jason. It's all about what we all want to pay, in the end, the time it takes to find that "elusive" poster and getting it for a price that doenst make one's head hurt.
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Just to add that Matt was very fair with me over this poster, he was prepared to listen to offers and the price he offered (I won't say how much as that would be wrong) was actually pretty good in the end, and if I was living in the US I would have been "very" tempted to go for it, but, I'm in the UK and even though Matt dropped to a much fairer price it would still be far to much for me because of the shipping costs and especially the custom charges which were in the hundreds :o but, that's just one of those things that can't be helped.
What custom charges? Just have him send it as a gift and you're done. And shipping should be what... $20? $30 maybe?
T
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John, what was the quote shipping price for that ONE rolled quad? It should have been minimal, in the scheme of things.
I mailed 3 linen rolled linen backed US OS to the UK from here in LA one time. That cost (and these were quite heavy in a gorilla-proof tube) was only about 50.00 USD.
And they arrived in a week.
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If he would insure it...could it still be sent as a gift? And my girl just sent birthday gifts to the UK and those were hit with import duties that her daughter had to pay. £100+
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Because people put a value. Don't put a value. Value is ZERO. And then ship it. Done!
T
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I thing saying it had zero value could raise a red flag once it arrived. Ive mailed other things of value to other countries like Norway and (at the receiver's request) they wanted me to put a value of 5 bucks on the contents and describe the items as ""children's cardboard cutouts."
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You can declare a low value but I always make sure the buyer wants to do that first because the tube or package can not be insured. And for this one not many people would want to gamble on $1000.
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What custom charges? Just have him send it as a gift and you're done. And shipping should be what... $20? $30 maybe?
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I did suggest that almost right away, but, was told it would mess up the insurance sending it as a gift, so in other words if it got lost I'd be in real trouble.
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John, what was the quote shipping price for that ONE rolled quad? It should have been minimal, in the scheme of things.
I mailed 3 linen rolled linen backed US OS to the UK from here in LA one time. That cost (and these were quite heavy in a gorilla-proof tube) was only about 50.00 USD.
And they arrived in a week.
I think he said about $100-$150 but, that's because he would have sent it via FedEx or DHL which I asked him to do for me if I was going to have it.
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Because people put a value. Don't put a value. Value is ZERO. And then ship it. Done!
T
This is all well and good if it arrives safely and arrives undamaged, but, if either of these happened then I would have lost £1000 or more, bit to much of a gamble for me personally, it's a lot of money to me.
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I think he said about $100-$150 but, that's because he would have sent it via FedEx or DHL which I asked him to do for me if I was going to have it.
It could also be sent USPS International Priority for MUCH less and be there in 3-4 business days.
$150.00?? :o
Ouch x10 faint2.gif
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It could also be sent USPS International Priority for MUCH less and be there in 3-4 business days.
$150.00?? :o
Ouch x10 faint2.gif
;D I'll always pay a bit more for shipping if I feel it's a safer option, anyway Matt told me he had some bother with shipping to the UK on a couple of orders because when it gets to the UK it goes to Parcelforce, and believe me! they are pretty useless most of the time, that's why I was going to go for the Fed Ex or DHL option.
Just to add, in the end the postage & custom charges have not mattered because I decided in the end that the poster itself was to expensive, I feel my poster money would be better off spent on other areas of my collection, I have no doubt someone will buy Matt's NOES at some point though as it's a quality poster, so good luck to them and good luck to Matt in getting what he wants for it :)
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When Ive sent to the UK, its gone from USPS International and then handed off to Royal Mail (though Ive read some "interesting" stories about them, here on the forum, too). ;)
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When Ive sent to the UK, its gone from USPS International and then handed off to Royal Mail (though Ive read some "interesting" stories about them, here on the forum, too). ;)
I bet you have ;D just to risky when your paying £1000 for a poster, well, it is to me anyway.
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But, knock on wood, anything Ive ever sent via USPS International, priority service or otherwise, has always arrived swiftly and safe and sound. No complaints here or those on the receiving end. And just because something is sent FedX or DHL doesnt mean it cant also be roughly handled.
Its all about the folks who are physically handling and carrying the parcel, not the company itself.
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But, knock on wood, anything Ive ever sent via USPS International, priority service or otherwise, has always arrived swiftly and safe and sound. No complaints here or those on the receiving end. And just because something is sent FedX or DHL doesnt mean it cant also be roughly handled.
Its all about the folks who are physically handling and carrying the parcel, not the company itself.
Very true.
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In my personal experience of having posters shipped to me from the US to the UK over the last 25 years the choice of carrier is fairly unimportant. The most critical factor is that a strong tube is used and the poster has been packed well.
Mark.
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In my personal experience of having posters shipped to me from the US to the UK over the last 25 years the choice of carrier is fairly unimportant. The most critical factor is that a strong tube is used and the poster has been packed well.
Mark.
Listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about, and Matt packs really well. No insurance needed, imo.
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Listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about, and Matt packs really well. No insurance needed, imo.
One might ask for some added insurance with a pricey item but with solid, secure packaging, the $150.00 shipping fee is NOT needed. nono
Unless the tube is covered in gold leaf, that is.
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I wouldn't pay £1000 for a rolled copy even though it's a great poster. You can pay £400 for a decent folded copy and spend that other £600 on something else.
Marc.
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I wouldn't pay £1000 for a rolled copy even though it's a great poster. You can pay £400 for a decent folded copy and spend that other £600 on something else.
Marc.
Thanks! Marc, this is very much the conclusion I come to in the end, as you rightly said "great poster" without a doubt, but, just more sensible ways of spending that kind of money while also still improving my collection. :)
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Wow, lots of speculation in this thread regarding shipping! I think some clarifications are in order. When shipping to the UK, these are generally your options and approximate costs:
1. USPS First Class (handed off to) Royal Mail ~$25-50 depending on size/weight of tube
2. USPS Priority Intl (handed off to) Royal Mail or ParcelForce UK ~$60-80 depending on size/weight of tube
3. USPS Priority Express Intl (handed off to) ParcelForce UK ~$75-100 depending on size/weight of tube
4. FedEx/DHL/UPS (no handoffs) ~$80-120+ depending on size/weight of tube
Keep in mind we are not talking about one collector sending something to another collector here. I am a dealer and I run a business that I must keep in good standing — both with my name and reputation in general and with my payment processing gateway, PayPal. To meet those obligations I have to make sure the following happens:
A. Item must arrive to buyer.
B. Item must arrive to buyer in stated condition.
As everyone who has sold using eBay/PayPal before, to meet (A) you have to have tracking. Right off the bat that eliminates shipping options (1) & (2) above. There is no tracking what so ever on first class mail (1). Option (2) has tracking on the US side, but you loose it when it arrives in the UK. It doesn’t matter if the package doesn’t arrive or if the buyer simply states that it never arrived — I’m responsible. PayPal will refund the payment to the buyer regardless of any protest on my part. Using an end-to-end traceable service is my only option to be fully protected.
To meet (B), I have to package the item well — which is not a problem if you know what you are doing. Still, forklifts happen (as T can attest!). Insurance is admittedly costly, but even if the buyer says they don’t want to pay for insurance and that they will accept liability — PayPal doesn’t care. If the item arrives damaged, I, me the seller, am responsible and they will refund my payment back to the buyer regardless of any protest. Using insurance is my only option to be fully protected.
So as a seller, not only do I need to use shipping option (3) or (4), but I also have to use some sort of insurance to be fully protected in the transaction. However, insurance will not pay out for damages if you declare the customs value as something low or a gift. The two declarations of value — insurance value and customs value — must match to be fully protected.
Also please keep in mind some of my recent experiences selling three different $1000+ posters to three different buyers in the UK. The first two were sent via option (3) — fully insured, tracked, and matching declared values for customs. USPS Priority Express Intl should have arrived in 4-5 days. Even with all those supposed protections ParcelForce caused huge delays both times. In one case, it took 3 weeks to finally get the poster delivered. In the second case, ParcelForce literally LOST the tube for 3+ weeks (with a VERY nervous buyer during that time!) before it magically reappeared in their system. It was finally delivered after 5+ weeks total. Ugh. The third poster I send was via FedEx (option 4) and so far so good, although it hasn’t arrived yet.
How does this all change when sending from one collector to another? In that case, it is possible to shift all the risk to the buyer. You can use PayPal gift payment, any shipping option you want including basic first class postage (1), use no insurance and send as a gift.
Hope that helps clear things up a bit. If anyone knows of cheaper, equally safe options that are PayPal compliant... please let me know!
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Thanks! Marc, this is very much the conclusion I come to in the end, as you rightly said "great poster" without a doubt, but, just more sensible ways of spending that kind of money while also still improving my collection. :)
Sounds the most sensible and the best way of getting more "poster bang for your buck," John.
I agree wholeheartedly and would do the same. cheers
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Yeah $1800 amongst collectors is a lot. As for a retail price it is not off base at all. It allows shops to hold onto more inventory and you can always lower the price but can't raise it. And ofcourse everyone that would be interested is going to make a lower offer than asking price.
Matt has the only one for sale besides the palace cinemas copy mounted on foamboard
I paid well enough that... first, I wouldn't part with it for unless $1,800 OBO and that this quad would be tough to let go. And secondly and more important is the time it took to find one. I was persistent and asked many many people if they wanted to sell theirs. At one point I gave up on rolled after being the underbidder on a folded one at over $600. (They weren't showing up then as often as this past year then)
Mine is the Palace Pictures version that hung in their office, its not on foam board. its printed directly to card measuring 30 x 40
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My bad. I couldnt remember "card"
It was printed on card? I thought it was mounted on card?
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;D
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I've used registered mail for 15 yrs , nothing was lost and arrived just fine. Always get tracking for really expensive stuff though :'(
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I've used registered mail for 15 yrs , nothing was lost and arrived just fine. Always get tracking for really expensive stuff though :'(
Im a huge fan of tracking, regardless of value. That number makes the journey less blind for me.
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Im a huge fan of tracking, regardless of value. That number makes the journey less blind for me.
Agree 100% with this, I hate it if anything I order can't be tracked right up until it reaches my doorstep, some sort of tracking is always No.1 priority for me whenever I order any item.
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Yes, sending money as a gift leaves you virtually no recourse if something goes wrong.
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I don't care about tracking. Things always get to me one way or the other. Sometimes it takes a couple of days, sometimes it takes a couple of months... I'm patient. The ONLY country I've had problems with, and multiple times, is Italy. Bad hombres there. So I'm being super cautious when it comes to that place, but for the rest of the world, all good,
T
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I will not send un-registered to France either after one episode where postal employee stole items (its happened to parcels from US too or items from "rich" countries)
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Hi! to all,
Hope everyone on these forums is doing well thumbsup.gif
Not been around much in recent times but just picked up my first poster in about year and a half.
Finally come across the NOES UK Quad in rolled condition and totally thrilled about that, attached a couple of pics (front & back).
cheers
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Thats a nice way to get back in the game!
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Yes, welcome back, Test1! Okie
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This is the ONLY Graham Humphreys poster I like.
Good choice.
T
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Truly appreciate the kind comments guys thumbsup.gif
@jedgerley Yes, I certainly think so, this has been one of my most wanted UK Quads for a good while, but, I was just waiting (& hoping) that a rolled one would eventually come along so I had to be patient, a rolled version of this poster framed looks superb.
@Okie Thanks! Okie, nice to know your still around on the forums :)
@eatbrie Glad you like my choice T, I totally agree that it's by far Humphreys best work, on a side note I checked out your website recently and noticed it had been greatly updated since I last looked at it, you've done good work on your website mate, very easy to browse your amazing collection of posters 8)
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John,
Great news on snagging a rolled copy.
And welcome back to the forum.
Best,
Marc
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One of my favourites...and rolled too! Lovely. Congrats John.
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@eatbrie Glad you like my choice T, I totally agree that it's by far Humphreys best work, on a side note I checked out your website recently and noticed it had been greatly updated since I last looked at it, you've done good work on your website mate, very easy to browse your amazing collection of posters 8)
Thanks. It is always a work in progress. I haven't had much time to buy posters lately, nor have I found anything I like. Hopefully it will pick up as the year goes by, but so far it's been pretty dry.
T
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@timelessmoviemagic How's it going Marc, good to hear from you, been a long time, thanks for the welcome back to the forums.
@Tob Cheers! Tob, I'll hold my hands up and admit it was sheer luck coming across a rolled one, it's not as if I've been going out of my way to look every day or anything, far from it, I only tend to look every now & again if it comes into my mind, I think there's always a lot of luck involved for most poster collector's (right place, right time etc.) especially when they are after a particular poster in rolled condition.
@eatbrie I'm very much in the same boat T, the ANOES UK Quad is one I wanted for a good while now, but, other than that I'm very much like you in that there's no other posters that spring to mind that I want/need right now, so I know exactly what you mean when talking about a dry spell, and as you rightly say sometimes it just comes down to finding time (& money) to get going again, also with the massive collection of posters you have it must get harder & harder all the time to find something new.
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@eatbrie I'm very much in the same boat T, the ANOES UK Quad is one I wanted for a good while now, but, other than that I'm very much like you in that there's no other posters that spring to mind that I want/need right now, so I know exactly what you mean when talking about a dry spell, and as you rightly say sometimes it just comes down to finding time (& money) to get going again, also with the massive collection of posters you have it must get harder & harder all the time to find something new.
No, don't take me wrong, there are plenty of posters I want, but I will only buy folded posters in better condition. Bruce had a sale yesterday, there were a few good titles, but linenbacked, so I passed entirely. HA has good titles too, but the condition is not for me. That is really what limits my collecting these days.
T
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@timelessmoviemagic How's it going Marc, good to hear from you, been a long time, thanks for the welcome back to the forums.
@Tob Cheers! Tob, I'll hold my hands up and admit it was sheer luck coming across a rolled one, it's not as if I've been going out of my way to look every day or anything, far from it, I only tend to look every now & again if it comes into my mind, I think there's always a lot of luck involved for most poster collector's (right place, right time etc.) especially when they are after a particular poster in rolled condition.
@eatbrie I'm very much in the same boat T, the ANOES UK Quad is one I wanted for a good while now, but, other than that I'm very much like you in that there's no other posters that spring to mind that I want/need right now, so I know exactly what you mean when talking about a dry spell, and as you rightly say sometimes it just comes down to finding time (& money) to get going again, also with the massive collection of posters you have it must get harder & harder all the time to find something new.
John, I'm great thanks mate.
The poster collecting is on the back burner for the time being. Recently bought a house to do up so all my efforts are going into that at the moment.
I'm giving myself a month off soon from renovating so hopefully there'll be some nice posters to buy during that time.
The last thing I picked up was an English door panel for Night of the City. That's the only thing I've bought in 2 months!
Best,
Marc
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No, don't take me wrong, there are plenty of posters I want, but I will only buy folded posters in better condition. Bruce had a sale yesterday, there were a few good titles, but linenbacked, so I passed entirely. HA has good titles too, but the condition is not for me. That is really what limits my collecting these days.
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In regard to linen backed posters I'm with you all the way on this one T, I've never bought a linen backed (or any backed) poster in my life.
I've seen some online dealers actually have more of their poster stock linen backed than not which to me is just crazy, personally I always feel a linen backed poster has something nasty to hide, I'd rather buy an unbacked poster in poor condition which I'd consider an "honest poster" rather than buy a linen backed one.
I have heard that some posters are so poorly backed that a lot of the work shows up on them in a certain light, I don't know if that's true but it would not surprise me, I'm sure there are good linen backed posters out there and fair play to anyone that likes them this way, just not for me at all.
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John, I'm great thanks mate.
The poster collecting is on the back burner for the time being. Recently bought a house to do up so all my efforts are going into that at the moment.
I'm giving myself a month off soon from renovating so hopefully there'll be some nice posters to buy during that time.
The last thing I picked up was an English door panel for Night of the City. That's the only thing I've bought in 2 months!
Best,
Marc
Glad your doing well Marc thumbsup.gif
As I said in this thread the ANOES was the first poster I'd bought in ages! myself, I've since bought a couple of Bond posters (posted in the Jan recent buy section) but other than that it's been a quiet spell for me to, as usual it just comes down to if I spot a poster I fancy or have been after and more importantly if I can afford it at the time which will always the biggest issue.
All the best & good luck with the house mate.
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In regard to linen backed posters I'm with you all the way on this one T, I've never bought a linen backed (or any backed) poster in my life.
I've seen some online dealers actually have more of their poster stock linen backed than not which to me is just crazy, personally I always feel a linen backed poster has something nasty to hide, I'd rather buy an unbacked poster in poor condition which I'd consider an "honest poster" rather than buy a linen backed one.
I have heard that some posters are so poorly backed that a lot of the work shows up on them in a certain light, I don't know if that's true but it would not surprise me, I'm sure there are good linen backed posters out there and fair play to anyone that likes them this way, just not for me at all.
I try and buy un-backed but a lot of my 1940's pieces are incredibly difficult to find so I've bought backed.
I know of one dealer who sends a huge amount of their stock abroad to get backed.
So that's shipping there, getting the work done and shipping back. They've probably got some partnership going on but that's still a big chunk of cash being passed onto the buyers.
Some of the posters don't even need backing. Most of their buyers, especially new to the game are happy to have a backed poster.
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I try and buy un-backed but a lot of my 1940's pieces are incredibly difficult to find so I've bought backed.
I know of one dealer who sends a huge amount of their stock abroad to get backed.
So that's shipping there, getting the work done and shipping back. They've probably got some partnership going on but that's still a big chunk of cash being passed onto the buyers.
Some of the posters don't even need backing. Most of their buyers, especially new to the game are happy to have a backed poster.
Like I said I'd never knock anyone who buys or even likes linen backed posters (each to their own etc.) just a personal thing for me, I just don't like the idea of buying a backed poster of any kind when you can never be 100% sure how much work has been done on them, often linen backed posters have a very brief description about what work has actually been done to the poster, just don't sit well with me.
I can understand it more if your someone buying a poster in poor condition and then you decide yourself it needs backing to save/help the poster because you'd know exactly the work that has been done on it, but to buy one already linen backed, to risky for me.
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I'd love to own one of these someday - beautiful artwork!
Unfortunately out of my price range at the moment - these pricier ones will have to wait until I'm out of college with more stable employment!
I currently only have the video store poster for Nightmare On Elm Street but I'd love to own some of these variants...although I personally prefer Nightmare On Elm Street 2!