All Poster Forum
Common Poster Subjects => The Dealer/Auction House/Seller/Buyer Round Table => Topic started by: crowzilla on February 07, 2017, 04:14:38 PM
-
Quote from Bruce recently: "I am strongly considering no longer taking low value rolled posters at all. They are a huge money loser for us. Then we won't have these kinds of issues at all."
This would probably be the very best move you could make for both emovieposter (and to help other dealers).
Why? Well let's look at the numbers you reported for this past year:
Bruce said that in 2016, he sold 87,515 items for $19 or less.
We also know that Bruce loses money on those 87,515 sales as "Note that we will not come close to breaking even on the sub-$20 items, because we have an hour of labor in every item, and we don't get enough to pay for that hour for items that sell for under $20, plus we still have to pay all the web hosting fees, advertising fees, and credit card fees"
Those 87,515 items equal 87,515 hours of labor. A 40 hour workweek, times 52 weeks a year is 2,080 hours of work per employee a year. Bruce has 29 employees, so that means the most (non-overtime) labor they can do in a year is 60,320 hours.
Bruce's employees must EACH work nearly a year and a half just to supply the labor needed to auction one year's worth of sub $20 posters, or they each have to work 58 hours a week to cover it.
And that's just the items that sell for sub-$20!! What about the other 50,000 items a year he sells for more than $20?
That's another 33 hours of work per person! (50,000 items, divided by 29 people, divided by 52 weeks).
This means Bruce makes each employee work 91 hours a week! If poster collectors have a heart and any compassion at all they will demand that this travesty be stopped right away.
I know what you're thinking "that's only 13 hours a day, I would love to spend 13 hours a day looking at posters"
This might be true, but it doesn't mean others should be forced into labor for 91 hours a week to make sure that some posters get sold for dollar or two.
So have a heart Bruce, stop making your employees work 91 hours a week and stop selling sub-$20 posters.
-
oh shit. Here we go :(
-
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ab/31/6e/ab316e60ac60c4d0bd36d13742b0c9ee.gif)
Dat math tho. Interesting point of view of the math.
-
I figure if you are a true 5 Star Elite collector you're putting in 13+ hours per day so why shouldn't those bringing the pretty bits of paper to market put the same effort in?
I mean Mel was putting in like 25-26 hours per day so what's 13 really?
-
I mean Mel was putting in like 25-26 hours per day so what's 13 really?
This is a true statement...hard to believe but It is true. I suspect that guy could stop time like that 80's TV show.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/11CsrA9lcymP6g/giphy.gif)
-
I figure if you are a true 5 Star Elite collector you're putting in 13+ hours per day so why shouldn't those bringing the pretty bits of paper to market put the same effort in?
I mean Mel was putting in like 25-26 hours per day so what's 13 really?
Best post of the week...
-
I figure if you are a true 5 Star Elite collector you're putting in 13+ hours per day so why shouldn't those bringing the pretty bits of paper to market put the same effort in?
I mean Mel was putting in like 25-26 hours per day so what's 13 really?
Amazingly, there were people spending about as much time pestering him.
-
Getting back to this thread, I must say, impressive work there, Crowzilla. I’m sure the world’s greatest mathematicians and statisticians would be astonished by your amazing stroke of genius, that you so graciously contributed to this thread.
-
Getting back to this thread, I must say, impressive work there, Crowzilla. I’m sure the world’s greatest mathematicians and statisticians would be astonished by your amazing stroke of genius, that you so graciously contributed to this thread.
is that what your college professors called "a rebuttal"?
-
is that what your college professors called "a rebuttal"?
rofl1
I should have explained a couple of errors in Sean's analysis.
1. An hour of work does not always mean “precisely 60 minutes of work completed by one human.” If you take your car to a mechanic and the AllData pay rate is one hour of labor, that is the generally accepted amount of time it could take for one mechanic to complete the work. Due to various circumstances, often times it may take as little as a few minutes to complete the work, while other times it may take more than an hour. However, unless there is a special consideration, the customer will be charged for one hour of work. You need take into consideration the discrepancy of the total number of hours a shop has billed for, vs. how many actual hours were, in fact, worked by employees, for valid calculations.
2. When Sean calculated the time associated with the items eMovie sold, he did not consider in his calculations the number of bulk lots they sold. There could be dozens of items in a bulk lot, thus, one would need to, separate the bulk lots from individual lots, and average number of items in each bulk lot. That would yield a more accurate statistic for the amount of time and the final sales price of each item sold.
There are also other things to consider in an analysis such as this.
-
I should have explained a couple of errors in Sean's analysis.
1. An hour of work does not always mean “precisely 60 minutes of work completed by one human.” If you take your car to a mechanic and the AllData pay rate is one hour of labor, that is the generally accepted amount of time it could take for one mechanic to complete the work. Due to various circumstances, often times it may take as little as a few minutes to complete the work, while other times it may take more than an hour. However, unless there is a special consideration, the customer will be charged for one hour of work. You need take into consideration the discrepancy of the total number of hours a shop has billed for, vs. how many actual hours were, in fact, worked by employees, for valid calculations.
2. When Sean calculated the time associated with the items eMovie sold, he did not consider in his calculations the number of bulk lots they sold. There could be dozens of items in a bulk lot, thus, one would need to, separate the bulk lots from individual lots, and average number of items in each bulk lot. That would yield a more accurate statistic for the amount of time and the final sales price of each item sold.
There are also other things to consider in an analysis such as this.
actually NEO, you just explained an error in your analysis & support for Sean's.
First of all, I know all about Chilton's Labor Cost Guide... because I grew up in the auto business for my father & the butcher business for my uncle.
So I can tear down a 1966 Mustang & rebuild it as well as take a side of beef & turn it into steaks.
after he posted last night, Sean and I discussed this very issue.
So yes, if you were to take a single poster and run it through a business from start to finish - all by itself - it might take an hour from pull to picture to upload to listing to pulling & packing & shipping (actually, I know better. 30 min max). However it is disingenuous to say that is indeed how it works and so it takes an hour.
You may also know that in the Chiltons, it will say "replace radiator 2 hours" or "replace water pump 4 hours".. but it will also say "replace radiator & water pump, 4.5 hours"
All Sean did was take the numbers supplied by the advertiser, analyze them & assess the validity of the claim. You just proved his point, that the claim it takes an hour per item, is false.
-
Neo
You are incorrect, and I will only point out the most obvious one, your second point about bulk lots. It doesn't matter how many items are in these lots (and many times just a few are pictured with wording to the effect of you have to accept that there are lots more), because each lot counts as one item towards the total number of items sold during the year. Perhaps this is why Bruce states that he has "an hour of labor in each item", but it doesn't matter. If a bulk lot of 100 items sells for $100, Bruce counts it as a $100 item sold, not 100 items selling for $1. So the calculation is correct as to the information supplied by the seller. They sold 139,114 items and they have an hour of labor into the selling of each item, thus 139,114 hours of labor.
Selling posters is not car repair. Bruce doesn't get paid by the job, he gets paid by commission, and it is his statement that the commission he makes on an item that sells for less than $20 does not cover the cost of selling the item because he has an "hour of labor in each item", not because he charges an hour of labor for selling the item. There is a difference. I have no reason to take Bruce at less than his word, and am sure that after so many years he knows how long it takes for each item to be processed.
Bruce is a big boy, if he felt there are any inaccuracies he is more than capable of pointing them out himself (as we have seen time and time again), but I'm certain he thanks you for your feeble attempt.
-
Selling posters is not car repair.
Thanks for the insight, Sean. I truly thought that car repair is selling posters.
First of all, I know all about Chilton's Labor Cost Guide... because I grew up in the auto business for my father & the butcher business for my uncle.
So I can tear down a 1966 Mustang & rebuild it as well as take a side of beef & turn it into steaks.
You are a man of many talents.
We could carry on with this thread, with me explaining what I was saying, what Bruce may have been saying, the errors in this analysis, your and Sean's analyses of my analysis, etc., but frankly, I'm not interested.
I need to get to the beach. 8)
-
Thanks for the insight, Sean. I truly thought that car repair is selling posters.
It would not be the first mistake you've made in this thread.
Enjoy the beach.
-
I still fail to understand the point of this thread. Obviously, it doesn't take an hour to pull a poster from a tube, photograph it and list it. Like Rich said, 1/2 hour is more like it. I would probably say even less than that since the folks at Emovieposter probably know what they're doing and have it down to a science. Obviously, Bruce makes some profit on $20 posters. Probably not as much as he would like and certainly not profitable enough to run a business, but a profit nevertheless. Bruce was trying to make a point, and when you try to make a point, you exaggerate things to get your point across. We all do it, and who cares?
So what if Bruce doesn't want to sell sub $20 posters? Get them on EBay, it's full of them. Feel free to disagree, but I think Bruce runs a top notch business, great posters, descriptions and packaging, is extremely accommodating, and I, for one, am getting tired of these constant gratuitous attacks.
T
-
I mean Mel was putting in like 25-26 hours per day so what's 13 really?
Hahaha... Completely forgot about that guy. What happened to him? Anyone on this forum still in touch with him?
T
-
T
serious question
we talk about all kinds of dealers and so does Bruce - all the time.
We talk about high-priced dealers and low-priced dealers. We have seen articles on Dave L, Posteritati, Posterazzi, people have spoken about MoviePosterBid, emovieposter, ebay, Heritage. People have posted about linenbackers, including the infamous Posterfix.
People talk about auction houses, the good, the bad & the ugly
Bruce talks about other dealers and auction houses in damned never every post and certainly in all of his seller's posts.
the posts about all of these people and entities ranges from positive to downright ugly & untrue
so taking all of that in, what makes any person, dealer or auction house 'off-limits' as long as the commentary is fair?
-
Hahaha... Completely forgot about that guy. What happened to him? Anyone on this forum still in touch with him?
T
and I don't think I know anyone who actually speaks to Mel. I'm curious what he's doing also
-
so taking all of that in, what makes any person, dealer or auction house 'off-limits' as long as the commentary is fair?
One, because I don't think it's fair at all. This thread brings nothing to the conversation expect some ridiculous numbers that mean absolutely nothing. Two, because I see it pretty one sided these days and I fail to understand why. Three, because we once said there shouldn't be any dealers in-fighting, and I've seen a lot of it recently.
I thought Bruce was too harsh on that guy who complained about his posters not being listed on Emovie and I told him so privately. The guy, can't remember his name, was a little impatient, but his question had merit and I have no problems with it. It's a discussion. What I do not want are other dealers jumping in the fray just because they don't like Bruce, because he sells too much, makes too much money, or whatever the reason. There are ten of you guys in the hobby? Five that truly matter. The bashing doesn't look good, trust me. Discussions between dealers and collectors are more than welcome and I encourage them. Dealers criticizing other dealers are not.
T
-
So what if Bruce doesn't want to sell sub $20 posters? Get them on EBay, it's full of them. Feel free to disagree, but I think Bruce runs a top notch business, great posters, descriptions and packaging, is extremely accommodating, and I, for one, am getting tired of these constant gratuitous attacks.
T
I totally agree that Bruce runs a top notch business that is extremely accommodating.
But obviously these sub-$20 posters cause him great headaches, and he is thinking about dropping them.
I am encouraging him to do just that, save the time, save the hassle, make more money.
It's a win-win for everyone.
thumbsup.gif
-
I totally agree that Bruce runs a top notch business that is extremely accommodating.
But obviously these sub-$20 posters cause him great headaches, and he is thinking about dropping them.
I am encouraging him to do just that, save the time, save the hassle, make more money.
It's a win-win for everyone.
thumbsup.gif
How nice of you. I'm sure he appreciates the gesture.
T
-
One, because I don't think it's fair at all. This thread brings nothing to the conversation expect some ridiculous numbers that mean absolutely nothing. Two, because I see it pretty one sided these days and I fail to understand why. Three, because we once said there shouldn't be any dealers in-fighting, and I've seen a lot of it recently.
I thought Bruce was too harsh on that guy who complained about his posters not being listed on Emovie and I told him so privately. The guy, can't remember his name, was a little impatient, but his question had merit and I have no problems with it. It's a discussion. What I do not want are other dealers jumping in the fray just because they don't like Bruce, because he sells too much, makes too much money, or whatever the reason. There are ten of you guys in the hobby? Five that truly matter. The bashing doesn't look good, trust me. Discussions between dealers and collectors are more than welcome and I encourage them. Dealers criticizing other dealers are not.
T
then how about telling him to stop bagging other dealers in his promo also?
period. No more critiquing of any dealers in any way.
no more commenting on Posterfix, no more commenting on ebay dealers who are overpriced, underpriced etc?
no more comments on Dave Lieberman's high prices or Sam Sarowitz's
No comments from people who don't like Heritage
how far should it go?
I don't see anything unfair in this thread, largely because it is only commenting on stuff Bruce himself says over & over & over, right here.. on this forum.
It comments on stuff he promotes in his email exchanges, in his email membership posts, in his ads appearing in Classic Images.
It's commenting on public information that is made public by the guy who showers commentary on other dealers as part of his promotional scheme.
what can be wrong about it?
Personally, I don't care if people want to talk about my business, largely because I have answers. If there's something I'm saying or claiming that is false in my ads, I would expect people to want to make comment about it. As a matter of fact, because people will comment about it is one reason I don't make such foolishness part of my business philosophy.
I think it is wrong-headed to cut off conversation about any dealer or auction house, as that is how new collectors get to find out stuff & avoid problems. If people are lying, yes that should be censored or deleted. As long as what is said is honest and fair - no matter who is saying it - there is nothing wrong with it.
-
How nice of you. I'm sure he appreciates the gesture.
T
Hope so.
No one wants to see their favorite dealer go out of business because they lose money on 2/3 of everything they sell (I remember when it was only 50%, so it seems to be getting worse).
dump the losers, concentrate on the winners and be around for many more years.
-
I thought Bruce was too harsh on that guy who complained about his posters not being listed on Emovie and I told him so privately.
and yes, except I'm not sure why it has to be privately.
factually, the correct customer service response should have been:
"Hi Klownicle. I'm sorry you're having an issue. can you email me with all the details so I can look into it & see how we can resolve it quickly"
that would have ended it fast, instead it was an unhinged rant. Whose fault is that?
-
Discussions between dealers and collectors are more than welcome and I encourage them. Dealers criticizing other dealers are not.
T
I didn't ask Rich to jump in this thread, but I didn't see him criticize Bruce in it either.
-
then how about telling him to stop bagging other dealers in his promo also?
period. No more critiquing of any dealers in any way.
no more commenting on Posterfix, no more commenting on ebay dealers who are overpriced, underpriced etc?
no more comments on Dave Lieberman's high prices or Sam Sarowitz's
No comments from people who don't like Heritage
how far should it go?
When was the last time any of this happened?
T
-
and yes, except I'm not sure why it has to be privately.
Because I didn't read the thread until all of you guys emailed me privately to complain about each other. Look, bottom line is, I don't have time to go back and forth between you guys privately. So Jeff and I will be talking and we'll set up some new rules, I guess. What happened in the past is in the past and I cannot do anything about it. I value all of you guys opinions but I can seriously do without the pestering.
Okay, I'm done here.
T
-
no more commenting on Posterfix, no more commenting on ebay dealers who are overpriced, underpriced etc?
no more comments on Dave Lieberman's high prices or Sam Sarowitz's
No comments from people who don't like Heritage
how far should it go?
When was the last time any of this happened?
T
Heritage is critiqued regularly by a variety of people and most esp is continually painted in a poor light by Bruce
I think people were talking about posterfix just last week.
there are many threads of people talking about Dave L as high priced
one of the UK auction houses was being trashed in Mid or Post-auction the week before last
discussion of dealers of all kinds takes place here every week - and it should, as that's how collectors discern the good from the bad
If I am going to discuss my business in any way in discussions or even in my dealer threads, I fail to see why anything I may post should not be part of a discussion, if people wish to discuss it and if Bruce wants to discuss it also, I could care less. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't hurt my ego. It doesn't make me feel like people are picking on me. Only when people would post lies or falsehoods would it bother me. Factual data as fodder for discussion is what conversation is about. Don't want people saying stuff you perceive as a negative on you? Maybe the issue is not the people talking, but something you're doing.
But back to point. Discussion is good. Unpopular discussion may be better than the usual "oh what a great poster you got" or "did you see that final price on that thing?"
people need to put their big boy pants on
-
Thierry, this is your forum to run as you wish. If you like it this way, I can accept that, and certainly I am free to leave at any time if it ceases to be worthwhile for me to remain.
As to this thread, I did at one time have an hour of labor in every auction. But that was many years ago, and I have vastly improved the system. On the other hand, I also have much higher non-employee expenses.
I have revised the wording on my "consign page" (where the quotes stats came from) to better reflect the current state of my expenses, for those obsessive-compulsive types who hang on every word and stat.
I am generally far too busy to engage in these kinds of discussions. The ONLY reason I took the other guy to task was because he grossly misstated the facts in his first post, and then when I called him on it, he apologized nicely privately, but took a completely different tone publicly, and that caused me to make more than one post.
Thanks to all of you who have supported me and my business. I think you will find that our March Major Auction is one of our very best ever, with something for almost every collector and dealer!
-
I totally agree that Bruce runs a top notch business that is extremely accommodating.
But obviously these sub-$20 posters cause him great headaches, and he is thinking about dropping them.
I am encouraging him to do just that, save the time, save the hassle, make more money.
It's a win-win for everyone.
thumbsup.gif
Except the long time collector who decides it is finally time to liquidate and not pass the burden on to his kids.
I sit here at 67 years with piles of my obsession hobby. I decide that today is the day. How do I decide what is junk and what should go to Bruce/Rich/Heritage. I have stuff I bought in bulk lots 30 years ago. It was worthless at that time, but some of it is gaining legs recently and selling for $30-50. In the past, Bruce would take the bulk, as would Rich. The criteria was that there is enough quality to average some value. Given the market, I don't really know individual values. I also am unlikely to put in the effort to go the eBay route, especially on bulks of junk that likely will take a long time to sell.
But it all has value to me. Go over to my musical lobby thread. There are a few $1000 cards in there, but there are many more that I bought for under $5. Some for movies that few have heard from and where nobody under 60 even cares. But my emotional attachment will leave me with a bad feeling if I simply trash it. Seems a piece of the history I was collecting disappears, perhaps forever. So, I end up delaying the sale and making my kids decide.
-
Except the long time collector who decides it is finally time to liquidate and not pass the burden on to his kids.
I sit here at 67 years with piles of my obsession hobby. I decide that today is the day. How do I decide what is junk and what should go to Bruce/Rich/Heritage. I have stuff I bought in bulk lots 30 years ago. It was worthless at that time, but some of it is gaining legs recently and selling for $30-50. In the past, Bruce would take the bulk, as would Rich. The criteria was that there is enough quality to average some value. Given the market, I don't really know individual values. I also am unlikely to put in the effort to go the eBay route, especially on bulks of junk that likely will take a long time to sell.
But it all has value to me. Go over to my musical lobby thread. There are a few $1000 cards in there, but there are many more that I bought for under $5. Some for movies that few have heard from and where nobody under 60 even cares. But my emotional attachment will leave me with a bad feeling if I simply trash it. Seems a piece of the history I was collecting disappears, perhaps forever. So, I end up delaying the sale and making my kids decide.
you know Jay, this is an issue that all collectors face. I have a warehouse full of stuff. There is loads of worthless material. I have 50,000 posters in a storage unit I'm adding to so I can sell it off. It's $5 stuff, but I'll take a dime (if I can get it). The headache of dealing with it, especially when I have so much more, isn't worth it.
.....and my collections? Hey, I already know I'm going to be losing money on that. Many expensive posters I have are worth less already than they were when I bought them 10 years ago. I mean items I paid $1000 or more for.
but that's life. I'm enjoy them now. That was my idea!
-
My kids are already taken care of financially, so I'll probably burn my posters so they don't have to deal with my insanity. That's the least I can do for them, if only to make sure they still have a little bit of respect for me. A big huge bonfire.
T
-
Thanks Rich,
I know you are more of a collector than dealer and have my problem orders of magnitude worse. I haven't bought many bulk lots.
My collection is still small enough though that I have an emotional attachment to almost all of it.
The money is secondary and I enjoy what I have. But when the time comes, it would be nice to sell to someone who I know will treat it with the same respect. Throwing it into the trash would hurt deeply. So would putting it into bulk lots where folks bid on one item and toss the other 20. But those set to be the only options. I really do understand these folks who try to sell large collections intact.
Kids, collect wisely because this is something those of you who stay with it will face someday.
-
My kids are already taken care of financially, so I'll probably burn my posters so they don't have to deal with my insanity. That's the least I can do for them, if only to make sure they still have a little bit of respect for me. A big huge bonfire.
T
Has disposing of posters after you die been discussed elsewhere on the forum? Some people are probably of the opinion that if you're dead, you won't be around to care about old brittle paper.
And that's true, but I am curious if anyone has bequeathed all or part of their collection to a museum, university, library, or other cultural institution.
If one or more of my kids was legitimately into posters, I would give the collection to them. But if it was just going to be sold, there is some appeal to donating it to an institution.
But I know museums and such can be picky about acquisitions. I am pretty sure there would be a taker for my propaganda posters. Mexican lobby cards, maybe not :)
-
My kids are already taken care of financially, so I'll probably burn my posters so they don't have to deal with my insanity. That's the least I can do for them, if only to make sure they still have a little bit of respect for me. A big huge bonfire.
T
yep. leave your kids the money & they will love you. Leave them the posters and they'll never visit your grave...
Thanks Rich,
I know you are more of a collector than dealer
50/50
My collection is still small enough though that I have an emotional attachment to almost all of it.
The money is secondary and I enjoy what I have. But when the time comes, it would be nice to sell to someone who I know will treat it with the same respect. Throwing it into the trash would hurt deeply. So would putting it into bulk lots where folks bid on one item and toss the other 20. But those set to be the only options. I really do understand these folks who try to sell large collections intact.
here's my opinion Jay.
you buy dvd's and they cost $5-25. I know you don't expect to get any money out of them, so why should the posters be any different?
It's all a perception
-
But I know museums and such can be picky about acquisitions. I am pretty sure there would be a taker for my propaganda posters. Mexican lobby cards, maybe not :)
they only want the material if you are also willing to bequeath a financial boon that will take care of the collection, otherwise, it will never even get catalogued
-
Who pays $25 for a DVD? faint2.gif
-
Who pays $25 for a DVD? faint2.gif
people who want the newest titles
-
people who want the newest titles
I'm happy to wait. Especially in this day and age (aka technology), and with many of the newest titles (across the entire board) being far from stellar.
-
people who want the newest titles
I don't know anyone who's bought a DVD in a least 2 years.
T
-
I don't know anyone who's bought a DVD in a least 2 years.
T
I'm always in the $5 bin, but I understand that rich snobs like you always get freebies
:-*
-
I'm always in the $5 bin
No one has bought you yet?
-
I'm always in the $5 bin, but I understand that rich snobs like you always get freebies
:-*
You don't have to be rich (or think you are). That has nothing to do with receiving free screener copies. cheers
-
No one has bought you yet?
they're waiting for further discounts
-
You don't have to be rich (or think you are). That has nothing to do with receiving free screener copies. cheers
another Hollywood snob speaketh
:P
-
Hardly. :P
You missed my point.
-
Hardly. :P
You missed my point.
can I get screener copies? tell me where.. I'll see movies I only heard about
-
It's an earned and worked for aspect of the business depending on what field you work in... but it has nothing to do with snobbery or wealth.
-
I have a career in films going back 80 years. My real name is Alan Smithee
where do I sign up
-
Right here, A.S. ;D
-
Because I didn't read the thread until all of you guys emailed me privately to complain about each other. Look, bottom line is, I don't have time to go back and forth between you guys privately. So Jeff and I will be talking and we'll set up some new rules, I guess. What happened in the past is in the past and I cannot do anything about it. I value all of you guys opinions but I can seriously do without the pestering.
Okay, I'm done here.
T
You got emails, how beautiful is that ;D
There are people here who don't know what happened in the past... but yeah, I agree with your posts below, it doesn't look like fair and honest discussion, more like bashing or people having interest with clear plan or agenda. A bit nasty. Sad to see that the political insanity and shit happening in the world to divide people and rule is also run here... in this little forum read by just of few of us... and we all know each others.
Let's behave and have fun. Let's not a fight between chiefs divide us and take down this place.
(http://www.asterix.com/bd/albs/07fr.jpg)
As for DVD, I still buy DVDs, quite a lot !!! Plenty of sellers in the street as well as licensed shops, selling DVD at 0.50 USD, mostly fraudulent screener or theater copies or DVD copy, ahahaha !!
Don't call me snob or wealthy, the snob here is Hollywood and distributors and whoever who actually don't care much about African market :) Same story for series, Netflix (the only one available here) is having a 1/20th of what US has; while Fandor and other platforms are simply not available.
-
As an idea, can the people who say horrible things to others be allocated a new Post Reply editor where they can't type anything, just select from a pick list of pre-screened nice words. So everything they say is nice?
-
Glad to see some positive discussion come out of this thread.
Bruce, happy to see you were able to take some good-nature ribbing and looking forward to seeing the great horror stuff you have in the upcoming auction.
T, you might not know anyone who buys DVDs, but I'm sure Rich was also including Blu-Rays in that comment, but there are still DVD buyers. Toho is milking the format for all that they can and have just started a DVD box set series that will take 2 years to complete where each title comes with a poster reprint and reprints of other vintage paper material.
They are actually quite nice sets, but I hate the fact they are DVD and not Blu-Ray.
Here are a few you can check out:
Destroy All Monsters - https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9%E5%85%A8%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BBDVD%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BABOX-2016%E5%B9%B4-10-18-%E5%8F%B7/dp/B01G94WG2U/ref=pd_sim_14_10?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=J5RADGCA2QGDRA9EZZ7C (https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9%E5%85%A8%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BBDVD%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BABOX-2016%E5%B9%B4-10-18-%E5%8F%B7/dp/B01G94WG2U/ref=pd_sim_14_10?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=J5RADGCA2QGDRA9EZZ7C)
Rodan - https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%9A%94%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A-%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9%E5%85%A8%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BBDVD%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BABOX-13-2017%E5%B9%B41-10%E5%8F%B7/dp/B01G94WFBM/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=J5RADGCA2QGDRA9EZZ7C (https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%9A%94%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A-%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9%E5%85%A8%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BBDVD%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BABOX-13-2017%E5%B9%B41-10%E5%8F%B7/dp/B01G94WFBM/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=J5RADGCA2QGDRA9EZZ7C)
Mothra - https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%9A%94%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A-%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9%E5%85%A8%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BBDVD%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BABOX-16-2017%E5%B9%B402-21%E5%8F%B7-%E9%9B%91%E8%AA%8C/dp/B01G94WF4E/ref=pd_sim_14_6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=J5RADGCA2QGDRA9EZZ7C (https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%9A%94%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A-%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9%E5%85%A8%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BBDVD%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BABOX-16-2017%E5%B9%B402-21%E5%8F%B7-%E9%9B%91%E8%AA%8C/dp/B01G94WF4E/ref=pd_sim_14_6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=J5RADGCA2QGDRA9EZZ7C)
End of life issues are never easy to address and it's definitely far better to dispose of things before-hand if you have the chance rather than leave the burden on your children. Just try to be honest with yourself when evaluating things, if you have a group of items that are maybe $5 items, and far more likely they will sell for $1 each it's not even worth it to pack them up and pay to ship them as a bulk lot to sell. Donate them, give them away to someone else who will enjoy them maybe. But don't make your family deal with everything.
-
here's my opinion Jay.
you buy dvd's and they cost $5-25. I know you don't expect to get any money out of them, so why should the posters be any different?
It's all a perception
Not quite the same. The studios generally make sure that their videos stay current. Generally released over and over again in the newer formats. No value in collecting a DVD when the BluRay is available and/or it is on Netflix.
A poster OTOH is a limited resource. Nobody is making newer and better ones. When one gets scrapped, it is scrapped forever. Yeah, you say who cares about a $5 poster, but there was a time when all of this material, even Universal horror was considered scrap paper. The hoarder in me hates to see something not valuable, but possibly unique slip away.
I don't buy DVDs anymore, mostly UHD discs. BUt I have some laserdiscs that I keep and sometimes play. They were never remastered, or contain unique footage that "never happened". My Star Wars laserdisc proves Han shot first :) Problem there is that I need to keep the playback technology alive or it is worthless. All you need for posters is working eyes.
-
Not quite the same. The studios generally make sure that their videos stay current. Generally released over and over again in the newer formats. No value in collecting a DVD when the BluRay is available and/or it is on Netflix.
A poster OTOH is a limited resource. Nobody is making newer and better ones. When one gets scrapped, it is scrapped forever. Yeah, you say who cares about a $5 poster, but there was a time when all of this material, even Universal horror was considered scrap paper. The hoarder in me hates to see something not valuable, but possibly unique slip away.
I don't buy DVDs anymore, mostly UHD discs. BUt I have some laserdiscs that I keep and sometimes play. They were never remastered, or contain unique footage that "never happened". My Star Wars laserdisc proves Han shot first :) Problem there is that I need to keep the playback technology alive or it is worthless. All you need for posters is working eyes.
I have a handful, too, Jay, for that very reason, including a copy of SW and Jaws, as well as some Uni horror titles Like Frankie, Dracula and The Wolf Man. And I have a dual player here that plays both laser disc and CDs so that works out well.
-
My Star Wars laserdisc proves Han shot first :) Problem there is that I need to keep the playback technology alive or it is worthless. All you need for posters is working eyes.
My Star Wars DVD proves the same thing.
There are lots of old worthless posters that should remain worthless.
-
I got rid of ALL physical discs, be it DVDs, CDs, laser, you name it. I uploaded everything into our server, and now thanks to the Plex, I have access to something like 10,000 movies. I don't even watch HBO or the movie channels anymore, just TV shows and Bill Maher. And even that I can find on the Roku. I held on my discs for a couple of years and then gave them all away or trashed them. Never looked back. I think the last DVD/blue ray I bought was 3 years ago.
It's a pretty bad deal for Hollywood, because home video sales financed a lot of middle range movies. This shift has pretty much killed any movies budgeted between $5 and 30 mil, all those movies that could recoup their investment on ancillary platforms. Now it's either very small or very big. The cash cow is dead.
T
-
What I have heard is movies will survive physically much longer on plastic disk (DVD, laser disk) than hard drive. Hard drives store their data magnetically rather than burnt into the disk. The magnetic strength loses over time and your data then starts to corrupt. Minimise data corruption by every few years copying all movies off the hard drive to a spare drive and then back onto the original hard drive to restrenghen the magnetic storage.
-
There are ten of you guys in the hobby? Five that truly matter. The bashing doesn't look good, trust me. Discussions between dealers and collectors are more than welcome and I encourage them. Dealers criticizing other dealers are not.
Major, major point there.
I buy from both Bruce and Rich, almost exclusively these days.
It does come off as really tacky and lame that they are constantly fighting between one another. Who is the bigger dealer.... who gets the highest prices... who is more knowledgable... more trustworthy... who ships the fastest... it comes off like a dick measuring contest. I didn't even know their history (and still don't), and it was obvious from the first day I joined here.
Just, lame. Everyone knows you guys hate each other. Move on with your lives and focus on finding more cool posters to sell me.
-
I buy from both Bruce and Rich, almost exclusively these days. It does come off as really tacky and lame that they are constantly fighting between one another.
Just, lame. Everyone knows you guys hate each other. Move on with your lives and focus on finding more cool posters to sell me.
That is SO unfair to me. I never address Rich or his auctions in any way. I only address auctions that have buyers premiums and enhanced images, and to the best of my knowledge he has neither of these.
How in the world can you say I shouldn't address the aspects of my auctions that make them superior to other auctions (no buyers premiums, we show who the bidders are, we don't enhance the images, etc,)?
If you stand by your statement that I am "constantly fighting" with Rich, then I need to leave this forum.
-
To be fair, this was how I was reading it.
I didn't see any fighting...
-
Agree with the above stick around Bruce us newbie collectors really value your input and knowledge on the forum, it would be a shame not having you around.
-
I agree with what Damomac and Simes said. I didn't notice any fighting and as a newbie Bruce's posts and comments are really valuable to me. Don't leave Bruce!
-
As much as I like both dealers equally, the past couple of weeks seemed Bruce rattled MPB 1-5% and Rich wound up EMP 95-99%. I'm not kidding, that is what I thought :o
-
This is why I made the comment in the first response. It always seems to come to this.
-
That is SO unfair to me. I never address Rich or his auctions in any way. I only address auctions that have buyers premiums and enhanced images, and to the best of my knowledge he has neither of these.
How in the world can you say I shouldn't address the aspects of my auctions that make them superior to other auctions (no buyers premiums, we show who the bidders are, we don't enhance the images, etc,)?
If you stand by your statement that I am "constantly fighting" with Rich, then I need to leave this forum.
you know this is almost funny. I didn't start this thread, though I did comment.
I never attacked Bruce, I only commented on issues commented about here.
To be fair, this was how I was reading it.
I didn't see any fighting...
I didn't start this thread either:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,11730.0.html
and all I saw was someone burning down a house & losing any cool he may have had instead of just answering a client in a businesslike fashion.
I'm not responsible for any of this, but somehow it's being turned into "it's all Rich's fault" which is utterly ridiculous
There was no fight. There was only commentary. Nobody said that anything I stated was incorrect and nobody said anything I stated was unfair
So what is the issue? Don't like people talking about you? Total silliness. People talk about people all the time and if what people are saying bothers you, then maybe what's wrong is your response, not other people's actions.
Stay, Go.. that's none of MY business and I don't care what anyone does here. That's YOUR business.
Is it fair to comment on HA's buyers premium? Sure it is. Is it fair to make out HA as some evil empire, screwing & murdering customers left & right to achieve world domination? NO
It's one thing to beat your chest, it's another to shit on people so you can beat your chest
Saying "we have great packaging, excellent customer service, regular auctions & nice people working in our office" is a fair business promo
Insinuating other companies do not do any of those things is entirely unfair & largely untrue but factually Bruce, you've been doing that for 20 years and that's one of the reasons that after being friends for almost 40 years and a client who spent many tens of thousands of dollars with you, I stopped. I could no longer support someone whose business schpiel depended on denigrating others.
But here's the thing, you never had to denigrate others to support your own promo. It was never necessary, nor balanced.
You hijacked people threads on Mopo to promote your auctions. You hijacked people's threads here to promote your auctions. In other places, those threads were sometimes my own promo threads. Nobody ever liked it, but no matter how many times any of us said something, you persisted, including against me, your friend.
every time I posted a notice about my auctions, you over-posted so that you would be first seen. Even on the days when my auctions were ending.
for 2 years, you posted that false line about EMP being the first movie poster auction site. You've since changed it to an honest paragraph, for which I applaud you or the employee who had you change it.
I have never said you don't run good auctions, though I do believe you run far too many of them
I've never said your customer service sucked, though I'm not so sure Klownicle would agree at this point and most certainly. my own large consignment (which - hello - was also returned after your hissy fit) was not handled in the way I expected (nor what was agreed), but I never said anything about it until you started accusing HA of doing things that you did to me with that consignment.
Can't handle people talking about you, be they clients or competitors? That's something for you to talk to yourself about. It's obvious that people on the boards, be they friends or not, post about all kinds of dealers. It's an important factor for buyers and it's one thing for buyers to tell each other about good or bad experiences, it's another for dealers to spread insinuations leading people to believe some innocent is guilty of high crimes so that they will avoid that other venue & only spend on your own. In any other business, it would wind up in court. In this piddly little business, it's not economically smart to wage court battles
but I digress.. Blaming me for either of these two threads is like blaming a Syrian refugee for his city being bombed to rubble. It's false, untrue & flatly, ignoring reality.
People need to wear big boy pants in public.
-
Ahhhh, I'm so tired of this.
Do I need to erase entire threads? Close them? Are you guys enjoying this back and forth? I'm not, and it makes me dislike this very forum I started.
Really annoyed, right now.
T
-
Ahhhh, I'm so tired of this.
Do I need to erase entire threads? Close them? Are you guys enjoying this back and forth? I'm not, and it makes me dislike this very forum I started.
Really annoyed, right now.
T
T, all I am doing is responding and commenting. Honestly, I don't think anyone has made any comments that should be deleted and I don't believe it's necessary for Bruce to leave if he wants to stay. If you'll delete this, are you going to delete every post that Posterfix is spoken about? I'll bet Chris doesn't think he's been treated fairly and I don't think anyone would agree with him.
as long as comments are fair & honest, I don't think anyone has any complaints - and that includes me.
I haven't asked for any of Zorba's strine to be deleted. As a matter of fact, the only thing I ever asked to be deleted is when I attacked Jeff and later found out that all the emails & web posts that had been falsely attributed to him due to 'anonymous web ghosting' by that lunatic Andrew Rawls.
Otherwise, you'll have to go all the way back to 2005 and start deleting who-knows-how-many dealer posts that attack HA & others.
This is just a temporary dust-up.
-
man I should have become a lawyer or legal assistant
;D
-
Ahhhh, I'm so tired of this.
Do I need to erase entire threads? Close them? Are you guys enjoying this back and forth? I'm not, and it makes me dislike this very forum I started.
Really annoyed, right now.
T
There is no "back and forth" from my end. I do everything I can not to comment on Rich and his auctions in any way, completely ignoring his many comments about my auctions.
Like just about all of you, I honestly hate reading these threads, maybe more than those of you who have posted.
Maybe I am missing something, but as I see it, if neither Thierry or anyone else wants to delete any posts or threads, then I feel the only remaining option is for me to leave this forum.
If there is something I have missed, tell me. If not, feel free to delete my account, and if so, I know I will see most of you as customers and consignors, or on other forums, or on Facebook.
Thanks
Bruce
-
Maybe I am missing something, but as I see it, if neither Thierry or anyone else wants to delete any posts or threads, then I feel the only remaining option is for me to leave this forum.
here's what I think
T should delete any thread that I started that is critical of EMP or Bruce and only those threads
blaming me for this thread or the other is totally incorrect and false
-
Ok ATTENTION ALL APF I want a picture of EVERYONE'S penis posted right now in this thread. Go.
-
Ok ATTENTION ALL APF I want a picture of EVERYONE'S penis posted right now in this thread. Go.
You first, Vick. 8)
-
Ok ATTENTION ALL APF I want a picture of EVERYONE'S penis posted right now in this thread. Go.
we all lose
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Falcon
-
You first, Vick. 8)
you get the gist
(https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/compositions/1006699373/views/1,width=300,height=300,version=1478496810/wanker-t-shirts-men-s-t-shirt.jpg)
-
you get the gist
(https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/compositions/1006699373/views/1,width=300,height=300,version=1478496810/wanker-t-shirts-men-s-t-shirt.jpg)
LMFAO