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Title: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: digitalbeachbum on December 04, 2016, 09:08:53 PM
Does any one have an opinion on if it is better to get a signature on the poster or to keep it original? When my father collected baseball cards he was very young and would go to the Dodger and Yankee games. My family knew many of the players and he would get them signed. However getting them verified later was a long expensive process. I personally don't like to get things signed but occasionally for personal keepsakes I do it.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Ari on December 04, 2016, 10:47:49 PM
if your going to keep it, and get done yourself, I reckon its good, some dont like sigs, I do, depending who and on what I might add.

I have a few signed posters, and I love them, but its also about the memory of how it became signed for me.


I probably wouldnt BUY a poster already signed.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: 50s on December 04, 2016, 10:57:59 PM
I'd get/keep them, only if they said "To Steve, all my love, Racquel"

Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Ari on December 04, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
I might add, I prefer to have signed TO ME (like steve ;)
As then I never have any silly thought like selling ;)

Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: erik1925 on December 05, 2016, 12:37:10 AM
I might add, I prefer to have signed TO ME (like steve ;)
As then I never have any silly thought like selling ;)

And things that are signed to someone (vs just an autograph) can, at times, sell for less, because of the added personalization.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: digitalbeachbum on December 06, 2016, 07:37:29 AM
And things that are signed to someone (vs just an autograph) can, at times, sell for less, because of the added personalization.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I have some with an autograph of the actor others I have it more personalized. Those personal ones I'm keeping.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Ari on December 06, 2016, 08:14:22 AM
yeah, good, its nice.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: digitalbeachbum on December 06, 2016, 08:21:39 PM
I might add, I prefer to have signed TO ME (like steve ;)
As then I never have any silly thought like selling ;)

LOL - I have a bunch of Evil Dead posters signed by Bruce Campbell. They have things like "that's just pillow talk" and "give me some sugar". Some of them have my name on them, but those are never leaving my collection.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: paul waines on December 07, 2016, 11:27:47 AM
And things that are signed to someone (vs just an autograph) can, at times, sell for less, because of the added personalization.

You maybe missing the point Jeff, as, as collectors, we don't care what it's worth, we're in it for the films, and the enjoyment of them.

Yes, a dedicated signature will be worth less than one that isn't, but who cares....  If I was buying a signature I wasn't getting in person, Personally I'd buy a dedicated one, as there's more chance it's legit. 
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: eatbrie on December 07, 2016, 11:54:54 AM
If I was buying a signature I wasn't getting in person, Personally I'd buy a dedicated one, as there's more chance it's legit.

I couldn't agree more.  I'll never buy anything signed, but if I fell on my head one day and changed my mind, it would have to be dedicated.  It is the only way I would give it the slightest chance of being authentic.

T
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: erik1925 on December 07, 2016, 12:26:36 PM
You maybe missing the point Jeff, as, as collectors, we don't care what it's worth, we're in it for the films, and the enjoyment of them.

Yes, a dedicated signature will be worth less than one that isn't, but who cares....  If I was buying a signature I wasn't getting in person, Personally I'd buy a dedicated one, as there's more chance it's legit.

I wasnt missing the point, Paul. Look again in which board this topic was placed - the Valuation board. So it was in that context I was making the point about a sig's value, as an added bit of info.  ;)
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: guest4955 on December 10, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-12-10%20at%207.47.56%20PM_zps5cvnw2zd.jpg)

[To be continued/updated....]
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: digitalbeachbum on December 12, 2017, 11:32:14 AM
I've spent the last year going through my poster collection and most likely won't sell my signed posters. Some of them, like my Evil Dead posters, were signed by Bruce Campbell. I had to wait in line for four hours. Yes, four hours, in order to have him sign my posters, books and have picture taken with him on the Halloween Eve. I think  I was there until 2am because so many people showed up. All of them are too personal to me. My Evil Dead/Army of Darkness posters have "that's just pillow talk baby" and "give me some sugar" above his sig. I don't think I'll part with them for any amount of money.

Other posters I have, such as the Muhammad Ali & Micheal Jordan "Legends" poster is signed by both and while I didn't wait in line to get them to sign it, I see online that the same poster is selling for over $8000. Two of my favorite athletes. I don't think I'll part with that one either.

I have some other misc posters signed by stuff like The Blue Angels and the entire cast of some performances I've seen. I don't think I'll part with them either.


Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: guest4955 on December 17, 2017, 06:41:23 PM
(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-12-10%20at%207.47.56%20PM_zps5cvnw2zd.jpg)

[To be continued/updated....]

Sigs added a few hundred bucks but consignor went to much effort to get them and should have kept it for himself or retailed it for a much higher price:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/star_wars_linen_nss_style_styleD_signed_SD11870_L_zps1aezz27f.jpg)

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-12-17%20at%206.32.59%20PM_zpsqvoqk2va.jpg)

*****

Comparable recent HA sales:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202017-12-17%20at%206.32.25%20PM_zpsi5gyrtlh.jpg)
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: guest4955 on May 29, 2018, 11:42:57 PM
I’m not trashing EMP but I would generally avoid paying big money for “signed” movie paper like this:

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/4564C6D5-4CB8-4334-A1A4-60CB2838ACFE_zpsewoixjha.jpeg)

Why? I recently re-read VL’s autob where “she” confessed that she was getting 1,000+ fan letters a week in her prime during the early 40s. She originally tried to answer 10% but eventually just let the studio forger answer them all.

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/458A069B-5ED5-4A93-8308-55CC81BC1893_zpsrsfsdscj.jpeg)

It’s expensive to buy the book ($100+) but quite fascinating! So she was a raging alcoholic in 1971 (which finished her by 1974) so she just gave extensive interviews to Donald Bain, who wrote every word and clever phrase (“even the female animal has an ego!”) Highlights:

- she was constantly sexually harassed and beat up aggressive casting producers and costars
- she was only 4’11”!
- she was “deliberately difficult” on set as a professional strategy, which eventually backfired
- she bought and flew a plane cross-country
- Harvard Lampoon deemed her as “Cinderella Cyclops” for her peek-a-boo hairdo (“everybody needs a gimmick” she wrote) and worst new actress of 1941, but she claimed her acting improved
- she was discovered as a 17yo extra walking across the studio parking lot; her “classic” beauty features quickly won her major parts
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 10, 2018, 10:32:43 PM
Could be worse : stood 6 hrs in Berlin but Streep never sgd before going in  faint2.gif
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: eatbrie on June 11, 2018, 02:54:55 AM
Why? I recently re-read VL’s autob where “she” confessed that she was getting 1,000+ fan letters a week in her prime during the early 40s. She originally tried to answer 10% but eventually just let the studio forger answer them all.

And that's assuming that these autographs came from the studio at all and not from some guy happy to make a quick buck.  PASS.

T
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: guest4955 on June 12, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
Well I've seen a few "red carpet" premiere events on video and the actors (even Tom Cruise) are indeed signing lotsa stuff for extended periods, so maybe this is legit, but the seller used a generic photo of a star as dubious "proof":

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/s-l1600_zpsq3wzgvax.jpg)

(http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u536/HereComesMongo1968/Screen%20Shot%202018-06-12%20at%203.59.10%20PM_zpsgnvimuxs.jpg)
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on June 12, 2018, 11:49:59 PM
Most cast sgd posters are fake (actors usually never signs at after parties for the cast) , it's hell to get them all (then you have those film posters were almost everyone is gone , like 007)
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: eatbrie on June 13, 2018, 12:50:08 AM
That Avengers poster is such a load of (where is the crap emoji?)

More importantly, I have always failed to understand why anyone would want a poster not signed IN PERSON to them.  1) You'll never know if the signatures are real (despite them being authenticated  Doh.gif) and 2) you were not even there in the first place.  If 10 year old Joe meets Josh Brolin and Brolin signs his Avengers poster with "To Joe, destiny still arrives, signed Josh (aka Thanos)," I get it.  Joe can be the cool kid at school for a micro second.  Otherwise, what's the point? 

T
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: marklawd on June 13, 2018, 02:32:32 PM
Most cast sgd posters are fake (actors usually never signs at after parties for the cast) , it's hell to get them all.............

Totally agree. That Avengers poster would have smudged signatures and serious creases throughout if just a quarter of the signatures had been genuinely obtained in the way described. Here's my only cast-signed Lord of the Rings one sheet - from the Estate of Sir Christopher Lee Deceased.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/marklawd/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings%20-%20Signed.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/marklawd/media/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings%20-%20Signed.jpg.html)

Mark
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: hepcatpunk on June 13, 2018, 03:15:42 PM
Totally agree. That Avengers poster would have smudged signatures and serious creases throughout if just a quarter of the signatures had been genuinely obtained in the way described. Here's my only cast-signed Lord of the Rings one sheet - from the Estate of Sir Christopher Lee Deceased.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/marklawd/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings%20-%20Signed.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/marklawd/media/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings%20-%20Signed.jpg.html)

Mark

Now that is awesome!
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: erik1925 on June 13, 2018, 04:23:12 PM
Unfortunately, with all of the fakes and forgeries out there, unless one was there to obtain the signatures him- or herself, there can always be the question as to whether the autographs on any given poster are truly legitimate or not.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: eatbrie on June 13, 2018, 04:49:45 PM
I have a Mad Max poster which George Miller, a family friend, signed to me in person years ago and an Almost Famous poster signed by the entire cast.  I got it from DreamWorks at the time I was working there, so I trust its authenticity.  That's it and that will always be it for me.

T
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Stefano on June 14, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
For what it's worth, I would prefer an unsigned poster in most cases.  I think of an autograph as a collectable with its own value.  Thus, a poster with this added "collectable" feature could be valued higher.  Since I don't collect autographs, I would not want to pay more for a poster with this added "collectable" feature.  So it's mostly about the money.  But then there's authentication.  A phony autograph could really hurt the value of an otherwise nice poster.  So I don't take the risk.  I avoid signed posters when possible.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Zagnut on November 14, 2018, 01:28:04 AM
A friend of mine told me a story a few years back...
Back in the early '90s, he and his wife paid $1,000 to attend a private signing of Star Wars actors in L.A.
According to him, -everyone- was there: Ford, Hamill, Fisher, Guinness, Cushing, etc.
And that price got you one autograph from each person.
So, he took his original Star Wars poster and had it signed by everyone.
He got it framed but later sold it to help pay bills.
And now he wishes he never did.
So it's possible to get a bunch of signatures on one item, but the entire Infinity Wars cast?  Dubious.
My mantra is: if I don't personally see it being signed, it's probably fake.
On occasion on ebay I'll see some limited edition Star Wars posters that were pre-signed and given to attendees of the premieres, but wonder if the stars actually did sign them.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Neo on November 14, 2018, 11:40:15 AM

On occasion on ebay I'll see some limited edition Star Wars posters that were pre-signed and given to attendees of the premieres, but wonder if the stars actually did sign them.


Those "premiere signed" gimmicks on eBay are forgeries.  http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8729.0.html (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,8729.0.html)

Interesting about your friend's story with the Star Wars cast way back when.  I wonder if there are any photos or stories around about the event.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: marklawd on November 14, 2018, 12:59:04 PM
A compelling provenance needs to be established. I quite believe Zagnut's friend attended such an intriguing (presumably charitable) event and retaining publicity material and proof of attendance of such an occasion is important. If the seller of the item is the person who obtained the signatures their personal written account of their experience would assist in assessing their credibility.

Mark
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: crowzilla on November 14, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
A friend of mine told me a story a few years back...
Back in the early '90s, he and his wife paid $1,000 to attend a private signing of Star Wars actors in L.A.
According to him, -everyone- was there: Ford, Hamill, Fisher, Guinness, Cushing, etc.
And that price got you one autograph from each person.

Sarcastic me says - that's not so rare. Cast signed Star Wars posters are everywhere. This guy has multiples of them for only $155 each: https://www.awesomememorabilia.com/products/star-wars-hand-signed-poster?variant=14277425102921&utm_campaign=gs-2018-09-28&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign

Real me says -I would love to see an invitation/brochure, photos, whatever from an event like this. Guinness especially, was a notoriously difficult signer and doubly hated signing Star Wars items as time went on. Don't think I've ever heard of an event (outside of perhaps something from 1977) where Guinness, Cushing, and Ford were all at the same place.

I think it's been said that most pieces with both Cushing and Guinness signatures originate from the Kurtz archive, and would think that if you could authenticate them with the rest of the cast on a real piece you would be looking at a minimum five-figure item.
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: paul waines on November 18, 2018, 04:46:55 AM
Well, Cushing died in 94, and he was not in the best health up to that. He signed the odd letter, as for travelling to a signing like that in the early 90's, I think not. As for that Link Sean posted I can't see a legit signature of Cushing, Guinness, or Hamill, so you can bet they are all fakes..
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: Tang Lung in Rome on November 27, 2018, 02:38:43 PM
I met a lot of Halloween '78 actors in Pasadena recently , i only wanted blue ballpoint sigs so as not to distract from the art  thumbsup.gif
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: erik1925 on November 27, 2018, 03:02:10 PM
I met a lot of Halloween '78 actors in Pasadena recently , i only wanted blue ballpoint sigs so as not to distract from the art  thumbsup.gif

Post some pics, Tang!  :D
Title: Re: Signed or not to sign?
Post by: crowzilla on November 27, 2018, 04:00:51 PM
Well, Cushing died in 94, and he was not in the best health up to that. He signed the odd letter, as for travelling to a signing like that in the early 90's, I think not. As for that Link Sean posted I can't see a legit signature of Cushing, Guinness, or Hamill, so you can bet they are all fakes..

Didn't see this reply until now, but I totally agree (which is why I labeled that part sarcastic me).
I think it is very doubtful such an event was put together in the 90s and was attended by Ford, Cushing, and Guiness - even if it ostensibly was for charity.