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Movie Posters => Posters By Country => Topic started by: eatbrie on August 22, 2010, 03:30:44 PM
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I've been asked this question many times. So in an attempt to be helpful (which is not in my DNA, but I'm in a good mood today), here's the list I use to determine a poster's release date.
A lot of French posters have been reissued over the years. The only way to know if you have an original or a re-release is to look at the printer's name at the bottom of the poster. For instance, "For a Few Dollars More" was originally printed by St. Martin, Paris. However, there is an identical print that states St. Martin, Asnieres. It is because the printer moved from Paris to Asnieres (in the suburbs of Paris) and the movie was re-released in the late 70s. "The Deer Hunter" was originally printed by SE Lalande. Then the movie was re-released in the mid 80s and the printer reads SA Lalande. Again, same poster, one is original, the other is a re-release.
Here's the list:
CINEMATOGRAPHIE FRANCAISE
1925-1950
CINEMATO
1950-1964
Note: Both companies seem to overlap between 1947 and 1955. The oldest Cinemato I have seen is from 1947, the last Cinematographie is 1955.
ICP
Ends in 1960
RICHIER-LAUGIER
1927-1978 (much less after 1962)
BEDOS
Ends in 1962
HENON
Ends in 1964
LA LITHOTYP
Ends in 1965
AFFICHES ET PUBLICITE
Ends in 1969
GAILLARD
Ends in 1969
LALANDE
1956-1969 = Ateliers Lalande
1969-1971 = Lalande-Courbet
1971-1976 = Ste Exp Ets Lalande Courbet
1977-1982 = S.E. Lalande Courbet
1983-1986 = S.A. Lalande Courbet
ST MARTIN
1955-1975 = Paris
1975-1977 = Asnieres
CINE POSTERS (REPRINTS)
Cine Poster = 1980s;
SONIS
Sonis is not a printer but a distributor of posters from the late 60s on, which means that you will find Sonis' name on a poster along with St. Martin or Lalande. It doesn't mean you have a reprint. What's most important is the printer's name. If it corresponds to the movie's year of release, you're in the clear. But if it's a 70s movie without the printer's name and only Sonis, you have a reprint. Sonis was legit until the end of the 80s, at which time they decided to make extra dough by reprinting posters, but without the original printer's name. They reproduced some of the most successful movies, along with Cine Posters. They also reproduced US OS close to their original size, along with Zig-Zag.
In the late 80s, Sonis replaced Lalande as the official printer/distributor of French posters.
Hopefully, this list will help some of you.
T
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Thierry, I know this post is for 1965 on - but what is your opinion on the Creature from the Black Lagoon?
Do you also believe it is a circa 1962 release?
(http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/Assgoblin/IMG_2522.jpg)
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From my understanding, yes. I posted the 55 version earlier. The movie had a very small original release, and when it started gaining traction, had a bigger one in 62. However, the poster you displayed is usually considered to be from the 1st release, even though it's not. Amazing poster, BTW. Is the printer Affiches et Publicite?
T
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Outstanding info, Thierry. These are the details that drive collectors crazy.
BTW, Chris, that's a stupid-looking Gill-man ;)
You should sell it me...now....
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Great post T!
I must ask though...What if it says S. E. Lalande-Courbet 91-Wissous?.....What is the Wissous for? Where the original was done?
I have some posters that are supposed to be early 70's but according to your info they are late 70s early 80's.
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Yes, I'm thinking a lot of people are going to discover they own 2nd or 3rd releases. Like I said, in most cases, the artwork is identical.
Don't worry about Wissous. It is the location, 91 is the department code (France is made of 100 departments). What matters for the late Lalande are SE or SA.
T
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From my understanding, yes. I posted the 55 version earlier. The movie had a very small original release, and when it started gaining traction, had a bigger one in 62. However, the poster you displayed is usually considered to be from the 1st release, even though it's not. Amazing poster, BTW. Is the printer Affiches et Publicite?
T
Thanks T.
And yes, it says: "Affiches et Publicite - IMP. M. Landais 11.R.Castex-Paris4...Visa de Censure No641"
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Outstanding info, Thierry. These are the details that drive collectors crazy.
BTW, Chris, that's a stupid-looking Gill-man ;)
You should sell it me...now....
Hmmm...you should never call the Gill-man stupid looking. He is very sensitive about the plastic surgery he underwent in Creature Walks Among Us!
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Chris, your CREATURE is for sure a 1962 reissue. The Visa de censure number on the left border, near the printer's info indicates this. VISA number began to be used after 1960. Here's a closeup image of the Visa number (641).
Jeff
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Thanks Jeff. Appreciate the info.
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What matters for the late Lalande are SE or SA.
This thread has been VERY helpful to me. It has not only (re)dated a couple of my rereleases as later but kept me from buying others.
Though most images on the web are too small to read the printers info, you do find that out asking the seller.
Maybe worthy of a sticky? It will help other newbies like me. There are some slick dudes out there :)
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OK T... This printer is not on your list: Richier-Laugier 3, rue Barthelemy Paris
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/June2012/IMG_0031.JPG)
The Nun's Story I got appears 1st release... Say it is so T!
http://abideposters.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_0035-1024x675.jpg
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There are many other printers that I haven't listed. But you're good on your Mascii. Nice poster, btw.
T
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How bout sticky this thread?
It just keeps on helping me and yeah I know I could write it down but the sticky might help some other clueless sap besides me.
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Glad you brought this thread up... I forgot about it.
NOTE TO BRUCE - Bruce, you just sold a 3:10 to Yuma French poster by Guy Gérard Noël. The poster is indeed by Guy Gérard Noël. "D'Après Guy Gérard Noël," 99% of the time, means that the poster is a re-release of an original that should only read the name of the artist. For legal reasons that I don't know anything about, they added "D'Après" ("From") in front of the name of the artist, which means it is a re-release.
One of the reasons I was so excited to get my French Gone With the Wind poster is that it is an extremely rare 1st release (almost never seen before). In most cases, when you can find this poster, it will say "D'Après Roger Soubie". Check my 2 examples below... Mine and the poster L"Imagerie is selling...
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Photos/Gonewiththewind10.jpg)
(http://www.eatbrie.com/large_posters_files/Photos/Gonewiththewind.jpg)
Check the top right of the poster. You will notice the difference in the signature. Also, the printing quality of the "D'Après" posters is usually lower.
Now, it does happen that an original states "D'Après..." That's the 1%. I don't know why, but I've seen it. That's what makes collecting French posters so difficult. Between the name of the printers, and the name of the artists, it all becomes very confusing. So many collectors own re-releases thinking that they have the original. I didn't know that my Gone With the Wind existed until I found it.
I'm trying to find out whether your Yuma is an original or a re-release. If it's part of the 99% ;)
But I think this info can be good for anyone who collects French posters.
T
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How bout sticky this thread?
It just keeps on helping me and yeah I know I could write it down but the sticky might help some other clueless sap besides me.
Done.
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The only time I have ever seen "d'apres" on an original poster is when it is for a re-make of a movie where the French artist imitated the poster of the earlier version.
I would bet anything this 3:10 to Yuma is a re-release, as you suggest.
What frustrates me SO MUCH is that I have instructed my guys over and over to ALWAYS list these posters signed "d'apres" as re-releases, and they got the signed part right but didn't list it as a re-release, so now I have to cancel it and re-auction it, and that shouldn't have happened.
Thanks much for pointing it out, T. It saves us having to get it back after it was sent.
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Bruce, your guys also said that it wasn't by Noël, but it is.
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I have received mixed info on this. Most people I respect say that "d'apres Guy Gerard Noel", means that the unknown French artist created the poster in the style of the original French poster by Guy Gerard Noel, but that Noel did not actually do this art.
Since d'apres means after, wouldn't that make sense?
I guess you say it means Guy Gerard Noel did it after his own original, but why would he even do another one?
I will ask other French experts.
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I guarantee you that Noël did the art. You can check Choko's book for reference (I just did, the poster is on p.99). D'Apres on French posters doesn't mean that someone else did the art, it means that the art was reprinted.
Oh, and Noël did not touch the reprint. It is the exact same poster than the original, albeit the printing quality. Someone just added D'Apres for legal reasons.
T
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I will let you know what the others say, and if they agree with you I will change how I word this.
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Dunno bout printers , all I know bout Deer Hunter "pre-Oscar" , no Oscars shown and "post-Oscar" , Oscars shown.....just like with Rocky bed1
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so the censure text indicates a re-issue?
(http://www.divshare.com/direct/23982200-ca0.jpg)
versus
(http://www.divshare.com/direct/23982199-f62.jpg)
top would be original, bottom reissue?
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so the censure text indicates a re-issue?
(http://www.divshare.com/direct/23982200-ca0.jpg)
versus
(http://www.divshare.com/direct/23982199-f62.jpg)
top would be original, bottom reissue?
Both your posters have the Visa de Censure number 404 on them.
Censure numbers began to appear on French posters in the early 1960s, regardless of whether it was a first release or a later RR. 8)
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ah, got it. I wonder what the difference between the two indicates though.
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ah, got it. I wonder what the difference between the two indicates though.
Are the pics that you are showing from two different sized posters from the same movie?
Is one from a 1P and the other from the smaller (24x33) size, by chance?
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both Cape Fear, same size ("Grande")
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I will let you know what the others say, and if they agree with you I will change how I word this.
So Bruce, what did your "great" French experts say about this? I am dying to hear.
T
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so the censure text indicates a re-issue?
(http://www.divshare.com/direct/23982200-ca0.jpg)
versus
(http://www.divshare.com/direct/23982199-f62.jpg)
top would be original, bottom reissue?
The one at the bottom is for sure the 1st printing. I would assume that the one at the top is a re-release from the mid-60s, probably 1964 since Cinémato did not print afterward. Since this poster was not designed by any of the well-known artists of the early 60s, it is difficult to tell. However, if you put both posters next to each other, you should see an obvious difference in printing quality.
T
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awesome, thanks for the info. I'm happy because the bottom one's in better condition. I'll probably pull them both back out again this weekend and look for any other differences side to side
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Took them both out & gave them a look over, they are identical except for the noted difference in printed text & condition
(http://i.imgur.com/nLn9pBK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rdSmi8O.jpg)
I guess I'll just buy every copy I see & put them under a glass floor
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Note: I revisited this thread and made some changes on the first page based on personal findings. I will keep updating it.
T
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T,
I appreciate the update. thumbup
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Haha, thought I'd share what I did with my extra.
So I paid $135 for the lesser condition re-release and $68 for the original.
Didn't need 2 copies, so I put the re-release up on eBay for $60 hoping it'd sell sooner than later. Took 12 pics of it, front & back & close-ups of the condition in all it's flawed glory.
Described it as:
"From a 1963/1964 re-release (Cape Fear originally came out in 1962), as Cinemato (8th picture) did not print after 1964.
Poster has a reasonable amount of wear, I've tried to convey it's condition with the pictures but if you want any additional photos let me know."
and of course the guy who sold it to me for $135 buys it lol. Auction ends Sunday, I ship Monday, delivered Wednesday ("Great Poster! Fast Shipping! A+"). And it's re-listed at $165 with his original description. At least now he's included a photo of the back of the poster.
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That's great!
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The information in this thread is amazing! I find it hard to imagine that there isn't a French poster collector out there who wouldn't find this essential knowledge!
Simply fantastic work - the passion for the hobby really shines!
I just wish such a wealth of info existed for daybills :'(
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The information in this thread is amazing! I find it hard to imagine that there isn't a French poster collector out there who wouldn't find this essential knowledge!
Simply fantastic work - the passion for the hobby really shines!
I just wish such a wealth of info existed for daybills :'(
Oh I am sure it does but all the collectors on here don't want to tell ;) They figure the less people know about them the better the chance they have of getting what they have been after lol.
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Oh I am sure it does but all the collectors on here don't want to tell ;) They figure the less people know about them the better the chance they have of getting what they have been after lol.
Then I propose the proud daybill collectors form a club that excludes all who deride the beauty of the 13 x 30 format so we can at least swap what we know with each other!
Then again, that may only serve to increase the competition...
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exactly lol
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Haha, thought I'd share what I did with my extra.
So I paid $135 for the lesser condition re-release and $68 for the original.
Didn't need 2 copies, so I put the re-release up on eBay for $60 hoping it'd sell sooner than later. Took 12 pics of it, front & back & close-ups of the condition in all it's flawed glory.
Described it as:
"From a 1963/1964 re-release (Cape Fear originally came out in 1962), as Cinemato (8th picture) did not print after 1964.
Poster has a reasonable amount of wear, I've tried to convey it's condition with the pictures but if you want any additional photos let me know."
and of course the guy who sold it to me for $135 buys it lol. Auction ends Sunday, I ship Monday, delivered Wednesday ("Great Poster! Fast Shipping! A+"). And it's re-listed at $165 with his original description. At least now he's included a photo of the back of the poster.
Ahaha !!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUop7qT_Qg0
No printers name , re-issue ?
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What size is it?
With no credits of any kind, studio info or even an actor's name, and with the film logo on it twice, it almost looks like a side by side, double ad of some kind?
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About same sz as a US 1sh , perhaps slightly bigger......
Did they make billboards for Loren's "Millionairess" , I think I bought what appears to be part of the poster......seems incomplete somehow.
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Thierry,
Can you put a sizing guide on your initial post?
By that I mean "One Panel" instead of "Thierry hates "French Grande"" etc.
I think this would be very useful. Thank you in advance.
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I see you still have your intervention in there, Thierry
...More reason why should look at my request sm1
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http://www.youtube.com/v/I0DAD9121c4
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I found this on twitter.
Don't know if it's been posted here yet...
Film Posters in France, 1930s – 1960s
http://www.printmag.com/posters/film-posters-in-france-1930s-1960s/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pr-nbo-tw-150506 (http://www.printmag.com/posters/film-posters-in-france-1930s-1960s/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pr-nbo-tw-150506)
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One thing leads to another.
While reading the above link, I got stuck on Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast.
It led to this interesting piece about a 2013 Cocteau exhibit.
https://maxicult.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/belle-et-la-bete-jean-cocteau/ (https://maxicult.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/belle-et-la-bete-jean-cocteau/)
(https://maxicult.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/belle-et-la-bete-affiche2.jpg?w=520&h=343)
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I found this on twitter.
Don't know if it's been posted here yet...
Film Posters in France, 1930s – 1960s
http://www.printmag.com/posters/film-posters-in-france-1930s-1960s/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pr-nbo-tw-150506 (http://www.printmag.com/posters/film-posters-in-france-1930s-1960s/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pr-nbo-tw-150506)
Great links there, Ted.
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I see you still have your intervention in there, Thierry
...More reason why should look at my request sm1
Hi,
French posters
8 panels 10x13 feet approx (kind of billboard size)
4 panels 7x10 feet approx
2 panels 3,5x10 feet or 5x7 feet (rarest)
1 panel 47x63 inches (Standard french size for large posters)
Medium size 24x32 inches (not printed anymore, since 2000)
Small standard french poster 16x24 inches
If you look for standard large posters for instance, just write "47x63 movie poster" on ebay or elsewhere. I hope I answered your question
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It makes a while I didn't post as I was so busy with my work but now it's vacation so here's some other french posters for you...(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hkwAAOSw~bFWP0hj/s-l1600.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pA0AAOSw5IJWbyWY/s-l1600.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/xlsAAOSwv-NWUC~A/s-l1600.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Y1oAAOSwwbdWP2vx/s-l1600.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lTAAAOSwNyFWca9D/s-l1600.jpg)
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Love Diabolical Dr Z and Kong.
What year is the Kong release?
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The King Kong poster was printed for the 1974 reissue and the diabolical doctor Z is the original printed in litho, beautiful colors. Sorry for delay I was away in my family ;)
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Thanks, Zoongrew!
No apologies necessary.
cheers
I was just looking at your ebay store -- impressive.
You might want to add that link to your sig.
http://stores.ebay.com/THE-DoDo-BiRdS-FRENCH-MOVIE-POSTER?_rdc=1 (http://stores.ebay.com/THE-DoDo-BiRdS-FRENCH-MOVIE-POSTER?_rdc=1)
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Ah ah yeah I got a store, how did you find it ? I didn't want to show it on the forum cause I told myself it would seem quite impolite actually...
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Ah ah yeah I got a store, how did you find it ? I didn't want to show it on the forum cause I told myself it would seem quite impolite actually...
Can't give away trade secrets, but we know people's real name , first born, home address, medical records, income, and the tax you have avoided paying to date, and the color of your toothbrush handle.
But this discovery is easy, I suggest a simple reverse image search was used
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Ah ah yeah I got a store, how did you find it ? I didn't want to show it on the forum cause I told myself it would seem quite impolite actually...
Hahahaha.
See the green globe button beneath your avatar?
Click it
wynk
And, it is not impolite, sir.
You have a treasure trove of beautiful posters in your store.
You should start a thread in the 'for sale' section and highlight one poster a day.
Not only will it boost your sales, but it'll give us all a daily dose of poster magic.
cheers
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Hahahaha.
See the green globe button beneath your avatar?
Click it
wynk
Or that. laugh1
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Or that. laugh1
Oh yes, that's great website. Always wanted to do the same and I think I will !!!
This said, only two bad apples in so many years, it is not bad :p
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Can't give away trade secrets, but we know people's real name , first born, home address, medical records, income, and the tax you have avoided paying to date, and the color of your toothbrush handle.
But this discovery is easy, I suggest a simple reverse image search was used
AH ah !! ;)
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Thanks for these kind words ! ANd yeah I will try to watch the sale section tomorrow, that's a pretty nice idea. Thanks for that !
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Is there anything on modern posters to look for to confirm authenticity? These arrived yesterday and I wasn't sure what to look for to make sure they weren't repros.
In particular, the graininess of the Aladdin made me curious. Also, EMP mentioned that there are 3 versions of the Aladdin, one suspected of being a commercial print (Sonis version):
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13944745.html
There wasn't an entry for the Finding Nemo for comparison, unfortunately.
Thanks for any help that can be provided.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1456/26618381065_6749dbefbb_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gybajz) (https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1442/26013059544_cf5240e558_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FCFJjC)
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Hi Mike
Did you check their size? Do they have an odd sizing compare with other similar posters?
Hope someone here can help you. They are really nice.
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Thanks Rosa! Glad you like them.
I didn't bring out the tape measure or anything like that. Size-wise they seemed right, but I guess if I'm going to ask for help I should at least cover the basics. :)
It seemed from this thread the printer info is important and I wasn't sure what to look for on these modern guys.
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Nice, Mike.
What's the name of the printer on the Aladdin poster?
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Thanks Rosa! Glad you like them.
I didn't bring out the tape measure or anything like that. Size-wise they seemed right, but I guess if I'm going to ask for help I should at least cover the basics. :)
It seemed from this thread the printer info is important and I wasn't sure what to look for on these modern guys.
In case you haven't seen this on LAMP... good luck finding your answer. ;)
LearnAboutMoviePosters.com - Large French - Advance
Noel 2003 Au Cinema (2003)
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/poster.asp?pid=6261
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Nice, Mike.
What's the name of the printer on the Aladdin poster?
Thanks, Jeff!
Hah, good question. I'm not even sure where to find it. Would it be the text along the lower right side? IMP DIC VISA EN COURS? Gaumont Buena Vista International?
The Nemo also has the Gaumont Buena Vista International, but the text on the lower left is: (c) Disney/Pixar Visa n* 16.498 RCB 307 127.
In case you haven't seen this on LAMP... good luck finding your answer. ;)
LearnAboutMoviePosters.com - Large French - Advance
Noel 2003 Au Cinema (2003)
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/posters/db/poster.asp?pid=6261
Thanks, Rosa. That's for the Advance, but I'll see if I can get any info from it. Much appreciated.
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Thanks, Jeff!
Hah, good question. I'm not even sure where to find it. Would it be the text along the lower right side? IMP DIC VISA EN COURS? Gaumont Buena Vista International?
The Nemo also has the Gaumont Buena Vista International, but the text on the lower left is: (c) Disney/Pixar Visa n* 16.498 RCB 307 127.
Thanks, Rosa. That's for the Advance, but I'll see if I can get any info from it. Much appreciated.
Mike what is that small bit of printed wording on the lower right border, to the right of the "N" in the title? Is that the Imp Dic Visa En Cours you mentioned?
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Mike what is that small bit of printed wording on the lower right border, to the right of the "N" in the title? Is that the Imp Dic Visa En Cours you mentioned?
Correct. The 'Gaumont' stuff comes from the 'seal' below it.
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Mike. Looks like EMP has sold 4 of this same style:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/sort/4/film_title/ALADDIN%2520%2528%252792%2529/tag/nation%253AFrance/type/French%25201p/style/heroes%2520style/archive.html
Of the 4, this one, tho, has some small text on the lower left border and not the right side:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13819231.html
As T mentions is the first post in this thread about Sonis, it really depends, too, on the printer named on the poster.
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1125.msg13803.html#msg13803
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Mike, what is the printer's info on the lower, left side of the Nemo Poster?
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not the same poster but I have a Little Mermaid R98 French 1p and it that grainyness /pixelation thing going on
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Mike. Looks like EMP has sold 4 of this same style:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/sort/4/film_title/ALADDIN%2520%2528%252792%2529/tag/nation%253AFrance/type/French%25201p/style/heroes%2520style/archive.html
Of the 4, this one, tho, has some small text on the lower left border and not the right side:
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13819231.html
As T mentions is the first post in this thread about Sonis, it really depends, too, on the printer named on the poster.
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,1125.msg13803.html#msg13803
Thanks. Yes, I saw those 4 as well. The one that I mentioned (http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13944745.html) was the only one that had the blurb about there being 3 styles (1 potentially a commercial). I don't see Sonis printed anywhere, so I'm guessing it's not the Sonis print. I didn't actually know where/what would be considered the printer's name, that's why I listed the IMP DIC and Gaumont - the IMP DIC is very clear, whereas the Gaumont seal is the same graininess as the rest of the poster.
I'm not able to make out the text on that one EMP poster, unfortunately.
Yeah, seeing T mention Sonis, as well as the EMP listing, I was looking for Sonis. Fortunately(?) I don't see it. I'm guessing Gaumont is the distributor; wasn't sure what the other info on the poster was telling me, though. Size looks right (still need to measure exactly), paper feels heavy, folded similarly to some others I got from Rich a while back, so probably good. Wasn't sure if there was more printer/distributor info that could be added to this thread for modern posters.
Thanks for the time and help!
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Yeah, Mike. Gaumont would be the distributor and not the printer. thumbsup.gif
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Mike, what is the printer's info on the lower, left side of the Nemo Poster?
That would be the: (c) Disney/Pixar Visa n* 16.498 RCB 307 127
not the same poster but I have a Little Mermaid R98 French 1p and it that grainyness /pixelation thing going on
Thanks, Vick! Good to know. From a distance you can't tell, but when you're right up close it's like a pointillism painting.
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Yeah, Mike. Gaumont would be the distributor and not the printer. thumbsup.gif
So yeah, then, the only 'out of place' text, if you will, would be that IMP DIC VISA EN COURS. Not sure what IMP DIC is and VISA EN COURS leads me to believe a number wasn't available yet or something.
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I bet you are good to go on both, Mike. I always liked the Nemo stuff, too. Such cool and fun underwater images created. thumbsup.gif
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I bet you are good to go on both, Mike. I always liked the Nemo stuff, too. Such cool and fun underwater images created. thumbsup.gif
Think so, too. thumbup
Yeah, anything Pixar catches my eye and for some reason I simply love that artwork for Nemo. Was really excited to get it in large format. :D
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There are no "repros" of these. No one could possibly hope to even come close to selling enough to break even.
The Sonis posters that are commercial were made at the same time as the theatrical ones, but were sold in stores (and as stated, Sonis sometimes did theatrical ones as well).
Many collectors make no distinction between the two, because they are essentially identical, except for tiny printer info.
As to pixillation, they were surely sent the image from the U.S. and it would be enlarged for the much larger poster, so that would cause that, and it would be on all examples.
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So yeah, then, the only 'out of place' text, if you will, would be that IMP DIC VISA EN COURS. Not sure what IMP DIC is and VISA EN COURS leads me to believe a number wasn't available yet or something.
I looked it up, and I believe "Imp" is the abbreviation for the word "Imprimeur" which is "printer."
Perhaps DIC could be the printer's name, also in abbreviated form?
I also checked who LAMP includes on their list but it wasnt shown :
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/INDEX/COUNTRIES/France/FrenchPrinters.asp
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There are no "repros" of these. No one could possibly hope to even come close to selling enough to break even.
The Sonis posters that are commercial were made at the same time as the theatrical ones, but were sold in stores (and as stated, Sonis sometimes did theatrical ones as well).
Many collectors make no distinction between the two, because they are essentially identical, except for tiny printer info.
As to pixillation, they were surely sent the image from the U.S. and it would be enlarged for the much larger poster, so that would cause that, and it would be on all examples.
Thanks, Bruce.
Hah, yes, your first point is well taken. These aren't exactly flying off the shelves. :)
It's not too often I purchase these (these are number 4 and 5 in my collection), so when I read T's first post it got me wondering about info for more modern stuff.
Interesting point on the 'pixelation', as well. Didn't really think about the fact that it's possibly (most likely) a blown-up image. Makes sense.
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Yes, they're both fine.
No printer name on French posters post 1990.
Sonis reprints are a thing of the 80s for late 70s/80s movies.
When Sonis took over marketing in the late 80s, the posters they were selling were the same than the ones they were putting in theaters, so no more large size reprints. They're all the same.
Also, FYI, Gaumont is more than a distributor, it is also the older movie studio in the world.
T
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I looked it up, and I believe "Imp" is the abbreviation for the word "Imprimeur" which is "printer."
Perhaps DIC could be the printer's name, also in abbreviated form?
I also checked LAMP's list but it wasnt there:
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/INDEX/COUNTRIES/France/FrenchPrinters.asp
Nice. I could see the abbreviation being there. It's basically a vertical rectangular box on the poster with 'IMP' printed horizontally and 'DIC' printed vertically, so would definitely save space.
Yeah, I checked through that list from the link Rosa sent but didn't see anything obvious.
Thanks for the info. Learn new poster stuff all the time, even if it is 'Imprimeur' means 'printer'. :)
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Yes, they're both fine.
No printer name on French posters post 1990.
Well, there it is. Thanks!
Sonis reprints are a thing of the 80s for late 70s/80s movies.
When Sonis took over marketing in the late 80s, the posters they were selling were the same than the ones they were putting in theaters, so no more large size reprints. They're all the same.
Also, FYI, Gaumont is more than a distributor, it is also the older movie studio in the world.
T
Very cool, didn't know that. So much more to posters than ink and paper. thumbup
Awesome stuff. Thanks for the info.
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I meant oldest ;) Sorry, just came back from a 15 mile jog and my entire body is still shaking.
T
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I looked it up, and I believe "Imp" is the abbreviation for the word "Imprimeur" which is "printer."
Perhaps DIC could be the printer's name, also in abbreviated form?
I also checked who LAMP includes on their list but it wasnt shown :
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/newsite/INDEX/COUNTRIES/France/FrenchPrinters.asp
Printers name, if mentioned, are completely irrelevant on French posters post 1990. I should have mentioned it on my original post.
And i can't believe you guys are still checking LAMP. That website is archaic and full of mistakes. The real information is on here, between all of us.
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I meant oldest ;) Sorry, just came back from a 15 mile jog and my entire body is still shaking.
T
No worries, I knew what you meant.
Printers name, if mentioned, are completely irrelevant on French posters post 1990. I should have mentioned it on my original post.
And i can't believe you guys are still checking LAMP. That website is archaic and full of mistakes. The real information is on here, between all of us.
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Filip, a fellow APF'er who has primarily posted his ebay F/S listings to the board so far, posted this additional information about dating French posters printed by Lalande and Saint Martin, on MOPO, this morning. So I thought it would also be a good read here on APF, too, as it's a lot of info. I emailed him, tho, and asked his permission before posting, and he said to please share:
"For all interested in french posters here's some info to help you date posters that were printed by 2 of the major french printers for movie posters , Saint Martin and Lalande. I'll get to the other printers later on.
Starting in 1961, French posters had a Visa number (info on bottom of this post) but as there were sometimes re-releases using the original visa number one must combine the visa number with the printers info to be 100% sure a poster is a first release. Hope this will be of help to some of you.
filip"
PRINTER SAINT MARTIN
1957:
Some posters have:
imp. Ets. St. MARTIN.PARIS.(POR: 10-10) (in a handwritten style)
1955/56/57/58:
there are variations for this period , always in a handwritten style:
Ets. st. Martin . KEL . 05 - 95 . Paris
Ets. St martin Kel : 05-95
Ets St MARTIN . KEL : 05-95 . Paris
1959/60:
Ets. St. MARTIN . KEL. 05-95. PARIS (in a handwritten style)
Ets. st. Martin . KEL : 05-95 . Paris (in a handwritten style)
1961 – 1964 shows several variations:
1961/62:
ETS.ST.MARTIN-imp.Paris
Ets St. MARTIN imp. PARIS .
Ets. SAINT - MARTIN - Paris - KEL . 05-95
1962/63/64:
ETABLISSEMENTS SAINT-MARTIN
38, rue Pascal, PARIS 13e – KEL 05-95
1963/64:
éts. saint - martin imp. Paris
ets. saint - martin imp. Paris
1965/66/67/68/69/70:
Ets SAINT-MARTIN
38 Rue PASCAL PARIS 13e KEL.05-95
1970/71/72/74: (looks a bit like in the 50s but here « imp. » is added between Martin and Paris and doesn't come in a handwritten style):
Ets St MARTIN imp. Paris Kel. 05-95
1972/73:
Ets St MARTIN imp. Paris
Ets St MARTIN imp Paris
1975/76/77/78/79/80/82:
Ets St Martin imp. 92 Asnieres .
Ets. St MARTIN imp. 92 ASNIERES
Ets St MARTIN imp. 92 ASNIERES
PRINTER LALANDE
1957:
AT LALANDE 8 rue cauchois ORN
1960:
AT. LALANDE - 102, Rue Gabriel Péri, GENTILLY – ALE 16-71
1962/63:
ATELIERS LALANDE 102 RUE G. PERI _ GENTILLY – ALE 16-71
AT. LALANDE 102 rue G. PERI _ GENTILLY - ALE 16 – 71
ATELIERS LALANDE 102, rue Gabriel-Péri – GENTILLY – ALE. 16-71 ) sometimes the _ between peri and gentilly is a -
1964/65/66/ 67:
ATELIERS LALANDE – WISSOUS (S.-et-O.) - 920.98.75.
1966:
in some cases:
AT. LALANDE _ WISSOUS (91)
At. LALANDE _ WISSOUS _ 91
1967/68:
ATELIERS LALANDE 91-WISSOUS – TEL. 920.98.75 – 76
(in some cases : AT. LALANDE 91 – WISSOUS – TEL. 920.98.75 – 76)
1969/70/71/72:
LALANDE-COURBET 91 – WISSOUS
1972/73/74/75/76/77/78:
Ste EXPL . Ets LALANDE – COURBET 91 – WISSOUS
(exceptionally : Sté. d'Expl. LALANDE COURBET )
1978/79/80/81/82:
S.E. LALANDE – COURBET 91 – WISSOUS
1983/84:
S.A. LALANDE-COURBET 91320 WISSOUS
1984/85/86/87:
S.A. LALANDE – COURBET 91320 WISSOUS. R.C. CORBEIL
1988:
LALANDE - COURBET . 94 VITRY-S/SEINE - Tél. : 46 81 55 99
VISA NUMBERS:
1 : 1961
1000 : 1963
2000 : 1965
3000 : 1968
4000 : 1971
5000 : 1972
6000 : 1974
7000 : 1976
8000 : 1978
9000 : 1980
10000 : 1984
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I have a poster from 1966, which has Henon on it, but T said Henon ended in 1964, anyone know for sure the year? T ?
Film is Dracula Prince of Darkness.
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That's interesting, Paul. The Dracula: Prince of Darkness was printed by Affiches et Publicité in 1966. At least that's what mine says. This design, right?
(http://eatbrie.com/movie_posters_files/Draculaprinceofdarkness2.jpg)
The small one was printed by Nourisson.
(http://eatbrie.com/movie_posters_files/Draculaprinceofdarkness4.jpg)
T
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Yes, definitely the top one T, I'll take a pic of the address on it. I have two versions both the same art just different addresses..
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(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22553225_10210486383856517_226857308855809787_o.jpg?oh=d54c355134d8955ecdb8482fd72304b3&oe=5A6A8C2E)
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T, Did you find anything out about why my Prince of Darkness has Henon on it?
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What a great thread. I'm starting to collect French posters- particularly Grinsson and have a question for you all.
I’m interested in getting a “Two Rode Together” poster but have noticed there are seemingly three versions around. The printer's marking has either “Cinemato”, “la lithotyp” or “affiches...”. The Cinemato has green lettering, La lithoyp brown and Affiches black. All the affiches I've seen seem pristine and white, making me think maybe it was a later printing. The timeline in the thread shows that all three printers overlapped so it's hard to tell. Thanks for any help!
(https://i.postimg.cc/BXdz8MHn/Affiches-Black.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXdz8MHn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/bsGMNKG5/Cinemato-Green.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bsGMNKG5)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0zDB7D0d/La-Lithotyp-Brown.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0zDB7D0d)
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Speaking to several French collectors, it seems the Henon printed one is the first release, so good to know. The Affiches et Publicité is a Late 68/9 re-release. Seems there was 4 releases, another in 74/5, and one from the 80's... so do watch out.