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Common Poster Subjects => Auction House, Dealer & Other Seller Experiences => Topic started by: Simes on February 08, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
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Not a good experience this time...
There was a Bond and Beyond sale on Thursday, 7th Feb 2019.
There was one combined Lot offering in respect of Live and Let Die, a set of eight UK FOH stills, numerous b/w US Press Stills, and a UK Local Premiere brochure. The only item I was interested in, was the brochure. I went relatively high on bidding, because I knew I would be able to shift on the FOH and Press stills via eBay.
Having won the Lot, upon picking it up from them today, it was abundantly apparent that the UK FOH set was a copy set - and an obviously Bad copy set too with a mottled gloss/matt surface finish and fuzzy typesetting. Alastair was not available for help so my first fight was with a lady.
Suggesting a part refund, her response was one of an offer of a full refund for the entire Lot and its subsequent re-entry into a future auction whereby, presumably, I would have to go through the whole rigmarole again.
I asked if she would consider a part refund for the dodgy fake items, and I would take the rest. Her answer was No. Why, I asked. Because it’s policy.
I suggested that the value was immediately apparent because there was another Lot (1141) in the same auction which was for a stand-alone Live and Let Die FOH set. This went for £110. If this too was not a copy set, then a straight reduction of £110 from my £380 payment would, I believe, have been a fair resolution.
Going back to The Policy, I am supposing the vendor does not dictate to Ewbanks how the items are sold, i.e. to place some items together and others not. This design remains the preserve of the auctioneer... So, I asked the lady again as to why a part refund would not be possible whereby, in a later auction, the FOH set could be sold individually. I don’t think she understood the thrust of the question, much less the policy.
I decided to take the entire Lot with me thinking I would follow it up when home. I wrote a mail to Alastair, with whom I thought I had a relationship further to some previously fairly large purchases, asking again, why they could not have taken a part refund, and to place in their next auction, a further stand-alone set of FOH cards? (Albeit, correctly described)
And the response I got was this.
"If you had not taken it we would have likely offered the lot to the underbidder at the price you paid and then it would be down to the vendor to decide."
Thereby passing on the same junk, at the same price, to some other unsuspecting bidder.
I am utterly shocked at the laissez faire, shoddy attitude displayed towards their customers. It seems any old crap will do.
Chaps, I would urge a no-holds-barred approach to getting descriptions out of this bunch and if there is a likelihood of rubbish strewn in amongst the proper items of Combined Lots, to consider your bidding approach.
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It always stinks to find dodgy items in an auction lot, but keeping everything or returning everything for a refund is pretty standard practice.
Group lots usually sell at a discount to any individual item contained, so it's hard to say what value is given to any specific item in a lot (even when there is an individual auction for one of the items elsewhere).
The most distressing part is that they would offer the fakes to the underbidder. The proper response would be to refund you entirely, explain the situation to the consignor and offer the real items at a later auction.
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Thanks for this.
To be fair, the lady offered a full refund with the stance to auction at a later date. I wasn't sure whether this would be as the same Lot construction, or a different one.
I hoping for a better response from Alastair, but to be honest, this is where it really fell down with, as you say, the attitude of just shunting the shit elsewhere. Especially bad form for a group looking to become a player in Original Entertainment Memorabilia.
Apparently, my highlighting this has lead to them being unimpressed with My attitude...
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I thought this may appear online...
As I said during cataloguing quickly I may have missed the printing was slightly off on the Live and Let Die cards. Cataloguing approx 4000 lots solely myself sometimes items are missed especially in group lots. I remember looking at them and thinking the printing was good. Apologies my mistake.
As I said was happy to offer a full refund and could have worked out a future gesture of goodwill (free postage in future auctions etc).
We cant and don't offer part refunds as the earlier comment says its very difficult to know what price each part is worth.
I was asked what we would do if the item was refunded. We would offer it to the underbidder and make them aware of the situation. If they don't want it then it would be down to the vendor to decide the next step. One thing for sure we would re-catalogue it if it was re-offered again.
I always thought I had a good relationship with the buyer.
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Well, fair play for looking here!
And thank you for responding.
But even if making the underbidder aware of the 'copies' situation and offering at the same price as the winning bid, in this case mine, that still leaves the original winner in a no-win position. That of the one item wished for in the lot then getting spirited away elsewhere.
The lady suggested a re-auctioning. You're suggesting a different process; offering to the underbidder.
Had I, hypothetically speaking, accepted the lady's full refund (as seems to be the accepted method according Crow), and awaited the items' relisting later down the line, I would have been disappointed according to your directive. Thoughts? Is it worth getting a process nailed down and communicated across the board?
My last point as to cataloguing 4000 items. I am sorry Alastair. We are all busy in the world and we all have responsibilities to our Lords, masters and customers. If there is not time for correct identification, then is it not unreasonable to suggest to the vendor, auctioning off over two auctions? I am not sure in this day and age saying, I am too busy to do the job properly, is the right thing to do.
Anyway, I don't want to fall out over this. Suffice to say, Disappointed. Would like to see better. And onwards does the world spin.
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Yes I agree it is a risk in re-offering them to auction in your situation. They may go for less, they may go for more, or the vendor may decide they want them back. That's auctions.
We could only have sold them to the underbidder at the same price you paid for them. The underbidder may have decided they are not worried about the copies and decide to go ahead and buy anyway, maybe not. If you did decide to accept the full refund and the underbidder wasn't interested then it would be down to the vendor to decide the next course of action.
Yes I do agree we are all busy and all trying to keep going in this crazy world but I am trying to improve, make less mistakes and try not to upset people! As strange as it may seem!
I do hope we can move past this and with any lot that I handle it is never my intention to deceive or hide anything.
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Would not asking the consignor first if they would adjust the price and also to make them aware of the situation before offering it to the underbidder make the most sense? Seems like the consignor and the original high bidder should be able to have a chance to work it out. I wouldnt think the underbidder would be interested in repros either at the underbidder price.
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Why would they offer these fakes to the underbidder at the same price as the final bid? Surely that’s wrong for a couple of reasons.
I realise Simes’ frustration and of course there are 2 sides to this story, but it doesn’t put the Auction house in question in a very favourable light.
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The FOH cards were not what the buyers were after in my opinion and from what I was told on viewing days.
We don't always offer returned lots to underbidders. If the bidding was online on a 3rd party bidding platform we wouldn't have had access to the bidders details anyway. We were just merely suggesting all of the possible options.
In this particular case they would have likely been re-catalogued correctly or returned to the vendor.
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No doubt you're not the first auction house to make an error in a listing and I'm sure won't be the last.
How you deal with the issue is obviously important, especially if you're trying to build a good reputation amongst potential customers. I apprecite it may not always be to everyones satisfaction.
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I have to agree that it's not really possible for the auction to take back a partial lot. The items were sold as lot and as Sean and Alistair remark, it's not possible to accurately attain individual values for the pieces and most certainly, I would handle it the same in my auctions, if the item was a consignment.
that's life
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The FOH cards were not what the buyers were after in my opinion and from what I was told on viewing days.
(Sorry to chime in again as I had thought to bow out... )
What does this mean?
No, they were not the prized item. But they were part of my, and maybe others' strategy to mitigate some of the expense of said prize. That strategy for my max bid has now been submarined.
Suffice to say, it has always to be important to clearly review and catalogue.
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from my perspective, I'm not really sure why this is such a big issue.
it's a mistake, the correct methodology was offered (we're happy to take the lot back & refund your money)
even after you took them home.
if this is the worst thing that can happen to someone during the course of life, it's just a small speed bump.
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But even if making the underbidder aware of the 'copies' situation and offering at the same price as the winning bid, in this case mine, that still leaves the original winner in a no-win position. That of the one item wished for in the lot then getting spirited away elsewhere.
Actually you are in the cat-bird seat, as you are the person who won the item, so it's all on your decision whether the underbidder gets a chance to purchase it at the same exact price you would pay or not.
If the other bidder were being offered the lot at a lesser price you could complain, but that isn't the case here.
You get to say whether you spirit the item away for XXX amount or not. If you choose no, then you can't complain that someone else is willing to pay the exact same price at which you declined an item.
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(Sorry to chime in again as I had thought to bow out... )
What does this mean?
No, they were not the prized item. But they were part of my, and maybe others' strategy to mitigate some of the expense of said prize. That strategy for my max bid has now been submarined.
Suffice to say, it has always to be important to clearly review and catalogue.
As you said everyone bidding on that lot likely had in mind what the other items were worth in there.
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Ewbanks "customer service" totally sucks her
Simon bought FAKE items remember
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As you said everyone bidding on that lot likely had in mind what the other items were worth in there.
With respect sir, I didn't say that.
I had Hoped for and Assumed a worth based on all items being original. But, we are here talking and discussing because Not all items were original. This makes the Worth a point for discussion.
Unfortunately I, and maybe others, could not pop down for the viewings. So, when you say, 'Everyone had in mind..' I would submit that is a far reaching statement bearing in mind you're selling on the www. Are you suggesting therefore that ALL the bidders for this particular lot were there in person, myself excepting? 'Cos if not, then no, not everyone would know.
Guys, I appreciate now the way in which auctions react after the fact for an unintentional misrepresentation, and to be sure, I will accept the fact that the refund was offered. I have never actually had this happen to me before, so, lesson perhaps learned.
To qualify again the assumed worth of the items, I had assumed the following and bid accordingly.
Brochure - £220
FOH - £110
US Press stills - £50
Making my bidding to £380. The FOH are worthless so the brochure has now cost £330.
Anyway, it is Friday, it has been a fairly negative week all round (I was already in a foul mood due to unrelated skiing knee and car accidents, and all the ongoing subsequent infinitesimal arguments with insurance companies), so I am going for a drink. A large one.
Have a good weekend folks.
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I have to agree that it's not really possible for the auction to take back a partial lot. The items were sold as lot and as Sean and Alistair remark, it's not possible to accurately attain individual values for the pieces and most certainly, I would handle it the same in my auctions, if the item was a consignment.
that's life
apples and oranges
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Also, it seems so obvious to me, the auction house should get in contact with the vendor, telling him/her that the some of the goods are FAKE, but the winning bidder would like to reach a deal on the NON-FAKE items
jeez
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Yes I agree it is a risk in re-offering them to auction in your situation. They may go for less, they may go for more, or the vendor may decide they want them back. That's auctions.
We could only have sold them to the underbidder at the same price you paid for them. The underbidder may have decided they are not worried about the copies and decide to go ahead and buy anyway, maybe not. If you did decide to accept the full refund and the underbidder wasn't interested then it would be down to the vendor to decide the next course of action.
Looking at this from a completely outsider view, I must say Alistair that Ewbank's doesn't come out looking very good. Sure, you offered Simes his refund, but with a side of huge disappointment (doesn't get the piece he was clearly gunning for in), and -- potentially screwing the underbidder to boot (really, like we are supposed to believe a major auction house wouldn't be trying discard Simes and simply cash out with the next guy)
Probably your first mistake is that lady who should have stepped back and said that a manager would be calling with options. Remember the customer is always right, and with social media, poster forums, etc, probably a good idea to simply come to terms with the fact that you sold a fake and its in your 100% best interest to make it right with Simes and eat the 110 pounds discount he was asking for. I realize its hard to make money, the margins are slim, and people make mistakes... but it goes with the territory. You'll make it back thumbsup.gif
ps. Not sure i get the free shipping bit as well, as he is evidently in proximity to the auction house.
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Looking at this from a completely outsider view, I must say Alistair that Ewbank's doesn't come out looking very good. Sure, you offered Simes his refund, but with a side of huge disappointment (doesn't get the piece he was clearly gunning for in), and -- potentially screwing the underbidder to boot (really, like we are supposed to believe a major auction house wouldn't be trying discard Simes and simply cash out with the next guy)
Probably your first mistake is that lady who should have stepped back and said that a manager would be calling with options. Remember the customer is always right, and with social media, poster forums, etc, probably a good idea to simply come to terms with the fact that you sold a fake and its in your 100% best interest to make it right with Simes and eat the 110 pounds discount he was asking for. I realize its hard to make money, the margins are slim, and people make mistakes... but it goes with the territory. You'll make it back thumbsup.gif
ps. Not sure i get the free shipping bit as well, as he is evidently in proximity to the auction house.
agree 100%
good idea to look at other items this consigner consigned for other FAKE stuff
i also want to know why Ewbanks thinks it is okay to offer FAKE items to the underbidder ???
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I think they should have refunded Simes 100%, told him to keep the items and then offered him 50% off his next purchase as an apology for such an obvious error - unless of course they want to be known as the auction house who sells fakes.
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I think they should have refunded Simes 100%, told him to keep the items and then offered him 50% off his next purchase as an apology for such an obvious error - unless of course they want to be known as the auction house who sells fakes.
Havent other action houses/dealers also done the same bait and switch (aka "I didnt know we were offering fakes/forgeries" as well?) Seems something that can / (and does) happen with some regularity from time to time? hmmm.gif
No one/auction house/auctioneer is perfect. Mistakes can... and do.... happen.
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No one/auction house/auctioneer is perfect. Mistakes can... and do.... happen.
Not true.
Emovie is perfect.
Unless they make a mistake. Then they refund you 100%, let you keep the material, and give you free shipping for life.
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I've never dealt with Ewbank's before, but I agree that offering a repro / fake set for auction is never ok, unless the auction house makes it known that the set is in fact, a reproduction, which would make the lot less desirable. Of course mistakes can be made, but what puzzles me is another set was offered as a stand alone lot. Was that set a fake too, or was Simes situation a screw up? Offering to take back Simes lot and reoffering it to the underbidder is just plain wrong, unless the underbidder is made aware that the FOH set is fake.
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Not true.
Emovie is perfect.
Unless they make a mistake. Then they refund you 100%, let you keep the material, and give you free shipping for life.
Oh, no! Double oh, no! Not again, Crow! Yeah, I know that rhymes. Good grief. Okie
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Good on Alastair for working overtime this weekend making sure the other 3999 lots are entirely authentic before being shipped out to buyers.
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Not true.
Emovie is perfect.
Unless they make a mistake. Then they refund you 100%, let you keep the material, and give you free shipping for life.
Didn't they give you a special thread where you can go on with this to your hearts content?
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Didn't they give you a special thread where you can go on with this to your hearts content?
I think there is a special thread where people can diss on Emovie, but that would not be applicable here.
I am praising their customer service, saying that the customer is always right and that they go above and beyond even the things mentioned for in this thread.
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Not true.
Emovie is perfect.
Unless they make a mistake. Then they refund you 100%, let you keep the material, and give you free shipping for life.
I didn’t realise that. When I had an issue I didn’t get the free shipping for life or a 100% refund. I guess I need to contact them.
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I didn’t realise that. When I had an issue I didn’t get the free shipping for life or a 100% refund. I guess I need to contact them.
I think Crow knows exactly what he's doing. For someone with Crow's obvious talent, I'm not sure why he keeps going to the low road on EMP. It's quite obvious boorish disguise, Mr. C Zilla. Let it go, man. Perhaps this is exactly the reaction you want, Crow? Please stop. Okie
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I think Crow knows exactly what he's doing. For someone with Crow's obvious talent, I'm not sure why he keeps going to the low road on EMP. It's quite obvious boorish disguise, Mr. C Zilla. Let it go, man. Perhaps this is exactly the reaction you want, Crow? Please stop. Okie
Okie, seriously, what is Sean saying that is wrong or negative. Everytime someone brings up the name of emp can't be a bad deal. Meanwhile this thread is dragging a company that offered to do what they are supposed to do (we are happy to refund your purchase, even though you have already left the building)
talking positive about Heritage is just talking positive about Heritage and plenty of people on this forum talk negative about them.
c'mon pal. our skin can't be this sensitive. Otherwise, the option is that nobody at anytime should be talking negatively about anyone, including this thread or any other.
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It seems Sean is giving misleading information regarding EMPs policy to issues similair to this.
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It seems Sean is giving misleading information regarding EMPs policy to issues similair to this.
some day, people will have a sense of humor.
by the way, you misspelled 'similar'
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Regardless of my poor spelling I still fail to see the humour in Sean's post. Maybe others got the joke?
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Okie, seriously, what is Sean saying that is wrong or negative. Everytime someone brings up the name of emp can't be a bad deal. Meanwhile this thread is dragging a company that offered to do what they are supposed to do (we are happy to refund your purchase, even though you have already left the building)
talking positive about Heritage is just talking positive about Heritage and plenty of people on this forum talk negative about them.
c'mon pal. our skin can't be this sensitive. Otherwise, the option is that nobody at anytime should be talking negatively about anyone, including this thread or any other.
It's not about skin with me, Richie. I love you, man! I like real humor, too! So, here goes: If trolling can be a fishing metaphor, Crow seems to be a "snagger" bare hook dragging other threads to his EMP love nest. It's almost like Crow not so secretly loves Bruce because we know indifference is more like the opposite of love! If Crow is being only slightly coy, then I'm happy to ride the Bruce Love Train with him!!! That's just one of the cars on the train, though. Crow, jump on the train in ATL down to NOLA via West Plains and let's party with Bruce. It is Mardi Grad season after all. I agree, Bruce and EMP are awesome! For those keeping "snagging" score, that's at least one point against me as well. Sorry, Ewbanks thread and all previous and future misssssspellings (sic always). Okie
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It's not about skin with me, Richie. I love you, man! I like real humor, too! So, here goes: If trolling can be a fishing metaphor, Crow seems to be a "snagger" bare hook dragging other threads to his EMP love nest. It's almost like Crow not so secretly loves Bruce because we know indifference is more like the opposite of love! If Crow is being only slightly coy, then I'm happy to ride the Bruce Love Train with him!!! That's just one of the cars on the train, though. Crow, jump on the train in ATL down to NOLA via West Plains and let's party with Bruce. It is Mardi Grad season after all. I agree, Bruce and EMP are awesome! For those keeping "snagging" score, that's at least one point against me as well. Sorry, Ewbanks thread and all previous and future misssssspellings (sic always). Okie
but Okie, what is the difference between people talking about any dealer or auction?
it seems to me that this forum is quite often talking about dealers (and Bruce himself did quite a bit of that for years)
so what's the difference who people are talking about? Plus it's just humor in Sean's post. Some sarcasm sure, but so what. What is so horrible? All I did in the post-auction thread 3 weeks ago was post an HA result side by side with an emp result and that's viewed as an attack for reasons that are hard to fathom. Where is the balance? You know what, if people want to say "Heritage kicks ass on Richie's auction results. It's unbelievable" I not only won't be insulted by it, I'm going to admit that it's factually true, because it is! Heritage doing better than anyone else, is not a dig at everyone else, it's an obvious fact, backed up by the data, so how can that be a dig on other auctions? I think it's very unfair that people can drag dealers and auctions (especially this Ewbanks issue, which is a mountain out of a molehill) and yet even mentioning the name of another is a no-no. I think the same rules should apply to all peoples and dealers and auctions.. There's plenty of bias on this forum, and I think that everyone can be fair game, as long as the posts are honest truths, based on facts. Surely, posting and contrasting post-auction results can't be seen as attacking one over the other, if the facts are honest, and true.
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Bruce Love Train! Two snags against me. Okie
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Regardless of my poor spelling I still fail to see the humour in Sean's post. Maybe others got the joke?
it was kind of obvious he wasn't being serious and it was another of his digs/jokes/pops at emp
i think the crowman has been deeply scarred by emp calling his beloved genre 'rubbery monster movies' all the time ;D
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Bruce Love Train! Two snags against me. Okie
that's funny pal. ;)
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i think the crowman has been deeply scarred by emp calling his beloved genre 'rubbery monster movies' all the time ;D
Out of curiosity which genre is that?
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Out of curiosity which genre is that?
Kaiju
he wrote the book on Kaiju posters
you didn't know that?
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it was kind of obvious he wasn't being serious and it was another of his digs/jokes/pops at emp
i think the crowman has been deeply scarred by emp calling his beloved genre 'rubbery monster movies' all the time ;D
I realise what the post was really about, I was just playing along.
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Kaiju
he wrote the book on Kaiju posters
you didn't know that?
It's a great book, Vick: The Art of Japanese Monsters. I'll have it in my library car on the Love Train. Also, during Love Train story time, I will show pictures from the book and tell wonderful fantasy stories about which poster might bring Crow back into the flowery meadow of EMP pollinators! Bruce Love Train! Snags = 3. Okie
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Kaiju
he wrote the book on Kaiju posters
you didn't know that?
I recall...
so that is pseudo-genre according to Bruce?
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I recall...
so that is pseudo-genre according to Bruce?
I don't recall seeing "unfolded rubber monster" as a category there
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;D
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I don't recall seeing "unfolded rubber monster" as a category there
I remember seeing quite a few folds in the monsters in some of the films! Okie
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It's a great book, Vick: The Art of Japanese Monsters. I'll have it in my library car on the Love Train. Also, during Love Train story time, I will show pictures from the book and tell wonderful fantasy stories about which poster might bring Crow back into the flowery meadow of EMP pollinators! Bruce Love Train! Snags = 3. Okie
It's likely one of THE best books written on the Kaiju poster genre. thumbsup.gif
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i think the crowman has been deeply scarred by emp calling his beloved genre 'rubbery monster movies' all the time ;D
I didn't even know EMP did this, now I am deeply hurt.
Ok, here we go again - one last time: I have NOTHING against Bruce or EMP, I bid with them just like everyone else.
I also contribute lots of corrections to their auctions (and their archives), and send them in directly just like most other people.
Why? To help them and the hobby, and make it better for everyone. Every new (and a lot of advanced) collectors should check out Bruce's auctions, there are tons of bargains (by their own admission) for everyone. Yes, sometimes things sell high - I was going to point this out a week ago where they beat several Heritage results, but you guys would figure out someway to say that was an attack also.
The only time I make a public fuss about EMP is when they don't correct something I know is wrong, so I let people know publicly to beware and present the evidence (I think I've done that here twice, most of the time EMP updates listings instantly when they hear from me).
The thing I do get tired of is Bruce's constant bashing of "other" auction houses. He does it incessantly, and has for years. And none of you ever call him out on it. Even in this week's plug of his next "major" auction he can't help but mention that "other" auction houses don't really sell everything they offer, it just "seems" like it, and that "others" have lots of lawsuits from disgruntled customers. And of course that he gets the highest prices overall (while also trumpeting that his auctions aren't for "millionaire's only" and 60% of everything sells for $20 or less) and that "other" auction houses treat customers like a chump waiting to be sold a $1 solid gold watch.
Okie, when are you going to ask Bruce to stop his negative attacks?
Has anyone here ever seen Grey post a negative thing about EMP or Bruce?
As for Ewbanks, they made a mistake, owned up to it and offered a full refund. That is exactly what a good auction house does.
If the high bidder doesn't want the item, then they are correct to offer it to the underbidder at the same price after disclosure (in my first post in this thread I was angry as it sounded like they were going to offer it without disclosure). If the underbidder rejects it, then they talk to the consignor about either offering to the high bidder at a reduced price, or offering the real items again at a later date.
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It's likely one of THE best books written on the Kaiju poster genre. thumbsup.gif
Fixed that for ya. thumbup
but seriously, thanks for the kind words all.
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I didn't even know EMP did this, now I am deeply hurt.
Ok, here we go again - one last time: I have NOTHING against Bruce or EMP, I bid with them just like everyone else.
I also contribute lots of corrections to their auctions (and their archives), and send them in directly just like most other people.
Why? To help them and the hobby, and make it better for everyone. Every new (and a lot of advanced) collectors should check out Bruce's auctions, there are tons of bargains (by their own admission) for everyone. Yes, sometimes things sell high - I was going to point this out a week ago where they beat several Heritage results, but you guys would figure out someway to say that was an attack also.
The only time I make a public fuss about EMP is when they don't correct something I know is wrong, so I let people know publicly to beware and present the evidence (I think I've done that here twice, most of the time EMP updates listings instantly when they hear from me).
The thing I do get tired of is Bruce's constant bashing of "other" auction houses. He does it incessantly, and has for years. And none of you ever call him out on it. Even in this week's plug of his next "major" auction he can't help but mention that "other" auction houses don't really sell everything they offer, it just "seems" like it, and that "others" have lots of lawsuits from disgruntled customers. And of course that he gets the highest prices overall (while also trumpeting that his auctions aren't for "millionaire's only" and 60% of everything sells for $20 or less) and that "other" auction houses treat customers like a chump waiting to be sold a $1 solid gold watch.
Okie, when are you going to ask Bruce to stop his negative attacks?
Has anyone here ever seen Grey post a negative thing about EMP or Bruce?
As for Ewbanks, they made a mistake, owned up to it and offered a full refund. That is exactly what a good auction house does.
If the high bidder doesn't want the item, then they are correct to offer it to the underbidder at the same price after disclosure (in my first post in this thread I was angry as it sounded like they were going to offer it without disclosure). If the underbidder rejects it, then they talk to the consignor about either offering to the high bidder at a reduced price, or offering the real items again at a later date.
A thick skinned lawyer like you gets "deeply hurt?"
Be still my heart... LOL ;D
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A thick skinned lawyer like you gets "deeply hurt?"
Be still my heart... LOL ;D
that's what unfolded rubber monsters will do to you
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First, my apologies to this thread, again. For those scoring: snag = 4.
Say it ain't so, Crow! Now you're PMing me to try and egg me on to respond to your posts? Good grief. I guess the idea that you were trying to be humorous in your EMP snagging may not be true after all, eh? Okie
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Say it ain't so, Crow! Now you're PMing me to try and egg me on to respond to your posts?
Just asking when you are going to ask Bruce to stop his negative attacks.
If you like negative attacks, that's cool. Just asking for a friend.
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Bruce is back? Where?
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Just asking when you are going to ask Bruce to stop his negative attacks.
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But don't worry Okie, you are still welcome to PM me and ask about Japanese posters. :)
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Has this gone off topic?
I believe this thread is done.
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I believe this thread is done.
It was over as soon as they offered to give you a full refund and apologized.
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It was over as soon as they offered to give you a full refund and apologized.
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It was over as soon as they offered to give you a full refund and apologized.
Fine.
Then, Shut Up.
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Fine.
Then, Shut Up.
cheers