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Common Poster Subjects => Restoration => Topic started by: sederic68 on February 25, 2017, 11:01:43 PM
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What are your thoughts?
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Looks very nice as is in that frame. thumbup
I'd leave it alone.
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I'm with Jeff.
Looks great as is.
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OMG...those folds would drive me insane
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Thank you everyone for your feedback. Would linen backing this make the poster a better investment?
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Thank you everyone for your feedback. Would linen backing this make the poster a better investment?
You have to linenback it because you want to do it or preserve it. It's preference, most like to purchase an unrestored poster IMO if they can find it. Half the time you won't get the costs of backing/restoring it back unless its extremely rare. Look at it in how you want the poster, not as an investment,
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Usually, an unbacked poster will sell for more than a backed one.
Especially if its in nice shape like yours appears to be.
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Eric, did you frame it pretty much after you unfolded it?
If the fold creases seem too pronounced, what you could also do is the Weight and Wait Method™ by removing it from the frame and pressing it between a couple pieces of foam core (or something similar) with evenly distributed weight on top, using books, for example.
Then allow time and the applied weight to press it more flat and ease out the fold lines. They will lessen to quite a degree, but that all depends on how much wait you give it. waiting1
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Erik, I frame it as soon as I got it. Thanks for the feedback everyone!
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And if it looks good to you, as is, that's all that matters in the end, anyhow. thumbsup.gif
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1) it looks fine as is
2) if Steve's head spins because of the folds, he'll be in a straight jacket soon (if he isn't already as some of us believe)
3) no, linenbacking this poster would not increase it's value
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step 1: Buy one already linen backed
step 2: Sell this one unbacked
All you will lose is the commission fees, and that's a lot cheaper than what it will cost to back this one.
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......... linenbacking this poster would not increase it's value
I agree - a better strategy might be to seek out a rolled example.
Mark
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step 1: Buy one already linen backed
step 2: Sell this one unbacked
I agree - a better strategy might be to seek out a rolled example.
Mark
while I might otherwise agree with my esteemed fellows, my position would be a little different:
get used to posters being folded.
folds are only going to bother you if you focus on them
I prefer to focus on the great collectible posters I have
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get used to posters being folded.
I believe you start getting used to folds when you reach Rich's age... your eyes start failing.
folds are only going to bother you if you focus on them
Best not look at the poster
I prefer to focus on the great collectible posters I have
Rich isn't a fan of this poster (see my comment above)
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Thanks for everyone's feedback. I have found NOES quad is not an easy quad to find and can be pricey. Unless others have found them more easily than I have.
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Well a rolled NOES is verrry hard to find nowadays for a price that doesnt kill the wallet. For this quad my opinion is that it will add value to it...a little more value than the cost of backing imho. Most posters it wont add value to but this one I think so.
I dont mind folded posters but for some titles including this one I held out till finding a rolled copy because folds kinda would bug me on this one. The prices for a folded vs. a rolled quad are immensely different. You can buy two maybe three folded for the price of a rolled.
Anyways its a beautiful quad you have and enjoy it!
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Well a rolled NOES is verrry hard to find nowadays for a price that doesnt kill the wallet.
I'm out of touch with what a folded and a rolled NOES quad cost these days. Does anyone know please?
Mark
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I saw a folded one sell this month at auction for $450USD. I've only seen one rolled one sell at auction about double that price last year. Hopefully someone else can give input on sale prices of recent rolled ones they have seen. If there are any that sold recently???
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If the folds bother you too much, take it out of the frame, flatten the poster for a few weeks, and pop it back in, but I definitely wouldn't back it. You'd be better off buying a rolled one, and selling that one on to cover some of the cost of the rolled one.
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Thank you everyone for your feedback. Would linen backing this make the poster a better investment?
I dont think Eric has ever said that the folds bother him.
Others have mentioned that, though.
He was simply asking if backing it would make for a more solid investment. ;)
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That would then be a resounding NO.
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The folds don't bother me... i was wondering if linen backing it would in anyway increase the value of it over time. If I did get it linen backed, I send it to Dario! He's amazing. He's done work for me where you CANT even find the fold lines!
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I vote "no", as well. I have never linen backed a poster and would only do so if it was falling apart. I don't have any hard feelings against folds. It adds character, like scars.
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Linen backed does not add to value. Keep as OG as possible.
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I have this poster in my small collection, mine is also folded, I'm 100% in the "leave it as it is" camp on this one, I have had mine up and framed in the past and while I would have loved to have had a rolled copy of this great! poster I think it still looks pretty good framed even with the folds.
As for those asking about price, when I've looked recently a folded one is usually around £400-500 if you buy through a dealer, as for a rolled one I've not seen one for sale in rolled condition since I've been collecting posters over the last year or two, but, my "guess" would be a dealer would probably be asking £800 or more for one in rolled condition.
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Looks very nice as is in that frame. thumbup
I'd leave it alone.
Nah, I would get it linen backed but someone correct me if Im wrong. But isnt that poster the one that has a glossy layer on top or a satin? I heard those are very difficult if not impossible to hide or touch up those lines, where it almost makes it pointless.
Plus Im becoming a big fan of linenbacking as of lately, so Im all for it when necessary.
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Nah, I would get it linen backed but someone correct me if Im wrong. But isnt that poster the one that has a glossy layer on top or a satin? I heard those are very difficult if not impossible to hide or touch up those lines, where it almost makes it pointless.
Plus Im becoming a big fan of linenbacking as of lately, so Im all for it when necessary.
what is necessary about linenbacking the poster in question?
it doesn't seem to have any condition issues
to anyone who thinks linenbacking a nice condition poster is the 'right way'.
Heritage just sold a linenbacked Casablanca for $38,200.00
last time they sold an unbacked copy, 16 months ago, they got $77,675.00
an unbacked copy sold for more than double the backed copy.
That should tell us exactly where the value lay. The 'right way' (especially in this case), is not to back.
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How much does Linen backing actually cost for 1sh or B2? I was thinking about doing it not for value, but for preservation.
What are peoples views on Museum Quality framing? UV or conservation glass? Japanese archival paper backing?
From what I understand the papers/card used in older posters have acids which cause them to deteriorate and become brittle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBjL4F9ZTk&list=PL038A83E0321F817F (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBjL4F9ZTk&list=PL038A83E0321F817F)).
Cheers,
- Calvin
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Calvin.. imo, Id stay away from using any kind of glass in your framing. UV plexi is the way to go, due to heat retention, possible moisture retaining (if the environment is prone to more humidity) etc.
And backing prices can vary, from restorer to restorer. Best to check around and get a quote.
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From what I understand the papers/card used in older posters have acids which cause them to deteriorate and become brittle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBjL4F9ZTk&list=PL038A83E0321F817F (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KBjL4F9ZTk&list=PL038A83E0321F817F)).
what period of time are you talking about?
I have posters I've owned for 40 years that look as good today as they did then
if you're framing, don't use glass, use plexi. Glass will kill paper
if you're hanging framed stuff, keep it out of the sunlit areas and rotate what you have up as any light does fade posters over time
for preservation, just make sure the environmental issues are dealt with, and the paper will be just fine
no sun, heat or moisture.
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And as Sue from Hollywood Poster Frames wrote (from her website), regarding glass and plexi:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3320.msg55515.html#msg55515
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And as Sue from Hollywood Poster Frames wrote (from her website), regarding glass and plexi:
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,3320.msg55515.html#msg55515
Cheers, this is very interesting. I have some other antiques (non-movie posters) which I also need to frame (antique flags, some yosegaki etc), but I am going to seek a quality framer for those.
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Cheers, this is very interesting. I have some other antiques (non-movie posters) which I also need to frame (antique flags, some yosegaki etc), but I am going to seek a quality framer for those.
By 'quality framer' I assume you are discussing someone other than the big box stores (Michaels, Hobby Lobby, etc). Those stores have considerably less experience and knowledge. I believe Sue will still do your framing when you send her the material. Give her a call, as everything I have had her do was first rate, and generally cost effective.
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By 'quality framer' I assume you are discussing someone other than the big box stores (Michaels, Hobby Lobby, etc). Those stores have considerably less experience and knowledge. I believe Sue will still do your framing when you send her the material. Give her a call, as everything I have had her do was first rate, and generally cost effective.
Is she UK based? ;-) I will most likely try to find a decent framer in central London, that is basically where I'm based.
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She's US based.
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what is necessary about linenbacking the poster in question?
it doesn't seem to have any condition issues
to anyone who thinks linenbacking a nice condition poster is the 'right way'.
Heritage just sold a linenbacked Casablanca for $38,200.00
last time they sold an unbacked copy, 16 months ago, they got $77,675.00
an unbacked copy sold for more than double the backed copy.
That should tell us exactly where the value lay. The 'right way' (especially in this case), is not to back.
For the most part, I agree with you all the way. But I was just speaking myself personally, I sometimes like to see things touched up and done better then its current state of decent looking, just me though.
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For the most part, I agree with you all the way. But I was just speaking myself personally, I sometimes like to see things touched up and done better then its current state of decent looking, just me though.
to each his own of course.. but your sacrilegious ways will be addressed when you are at the pearly gates!!
;D
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Hahahahahaha, oh man I'm in trouble aren't I.
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to each his own of course.. but your sacrilegious ways will be addressed when you are at the pearly gates!!
;D
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Hahahahahaha, oh man I'm in trouble aren't I.
devil 2
cheers