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Common Poster Subjects => Framing & Storage => Topic started by: TheAnswerMVP2001 on September 22, 2011, 12:46:41 AM
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Well, I've recently been bitten by the poster bug and am about to throw down a couple bills on an Italian monster (I probably will have already clicked Buy It Now, by the time someone reads this so I can start thinking about important things again and stop this from consuming my thoughts for the past day and a half!)
Anyhow my question is related to framing this beast, because it's about 4.5 feet wide and 6.5 feet tall (55 x 78) I guess I broke the old rule of "starting small and working your way up"!
So my next task is looking for an affordable frame that if anything else will protect it from tearing, it's going to be in a room that rarely gets direct sunlight. I've been in contact with Spotlight Displays who I know a lot of people here are probably familiar with. I'm probably going to go with him for the frame simply due to relatively low cost and ease of use, but the problem is he can't cut the overlays to the size I'd need for the poster. So I'm stuck looking for someone who carries Vivak UV PETG in the 60 x 96 sheets and can cut it for me. Found quite a few plastic companies who carry Vivak but I haven't heard back from anyone and I have a feeling they're just going to have the regular Vivak not the UV and I guess there's a UV that's clear on both sides and one that's clear on one side and non-glare on the other, which will probably give me more trouble to find.
So anyone have any suggestions? Anyone know of someone who has access to the larger sheets of Vivak UV with the non-glare? Do I even really need the non-glare as again this is going to be in a room that's not going to get a whole lot of sunlight? Are there any other options? I was also talking with Sue over at Hollywood Poster Frames (another person I'm sure most of you are familiar with) she said with a poster this size she'd use acrylic and a Artcare backing. Would something like that work with a Spotlight Display? I'm willing to pay a little more for acrylic over Vivak if it will work in my frame and it saves me the time hunting the Vivak down, as time is money, (although I haven't heard back from Sue on the price of the acrylic so I don't know how much that would be).
So any tips someone can give me would be appreciated. I've already (or am about to) spend more on my first poster than I really wanted to but this one really caught my eye and I've never seen it anywhere before, so I'd like to keep the frame costs down if I possibly can. I'm pretty much sold on using Spotlight Display for the outer frame, unless someone has some valid reasons not to, so finding the Vivak UV or a suitable substitute is really what I need help with.
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Since nobody else has chimed in, I will toss in a comment or two and then wait for wiser folks.
I am suspicious of Vivak in larger sizes. It is already kind of flimsy in 1 sheet size and would have issues as you get larger. Based on my reading, I think it is produced in 51" rolls, so you may not be able to get it at any rate.
IMHO, Sue is giving good advice. I have framed 3 sheets, and I found I needed to go with a thicker acryllic, at least 5/16". A foam backing is the minimum, and I have mostly used masonite with a barrier layer. Heavier, but it stays put.
I have a couple of Thierry hates "French Grande"s and a Bus Stop for a Broadway play I am considering hanging, and I have been thinking about mounting directly to the wall. I would use the foamboard backing, acrylic glazing and then notch 1x3 stock to support it. Drill holes through it and place into wall anchors. You can hide or highlight the screws by either using decorative brass, or by countersink drilling for plugs.
I like the spotlight displays, but I think they work best in smaller sizes. They are difficult to manage as you get larger, and the posters tend to slip out. If you want a larger size, I would go with Sue. I'm not sure she ships something this large though. If you live in Southern Cal, no problem. Otherwise it might be best to look locally for the glazing, and then buy the rails online. Grafik Dimensions (www.pictureframes.com) is a reasonable source of rails.
Non-glare glazing is purely your call. Costs more, but it makes a big difference in viewing angles.
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One more thing about posters. Be prepared to spend big bucks on framing them. It is frustrating when you are spending $150 to hang a $30 poster.
When costing a larger frame, I figure about $0.10/sq inch. ($0.25/sq inch if you go to Michaels :) )
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Since nobody else has chimed in, I will toss in a comment or two and then wait for wiser folks.
I am certainly not one of the wiser people in the group. Just ask Mel or Charlie. ;D
But the only thing I will add, is that I am up to almost 40 frames from Sue at HP. And I am so thankful that I paid for the non-glare on all of them. Also, I trust her advice 110%. So if Jay and Sue agree, then that would be good enough for me.
Brian
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I like the spotlight displays, but I think they work best in smaller sizes. They are difficult to manage as you get larger, and the posters tend to slip out. If you want a larger size, I would go with Sue. I'm not sure she ships something this large though. If you live in Southern Cal, no problem. Otherwise it might be best to look locally for the glazing, and then buy the rails online. Grafik Dimensions (www.pictureframes.com) is a reasonable source of rails.
Non-glare glazing is purely your call. Costs more, but it makes a big difference in viewing angles.
I'm about an hour or so away from Sue, but I don't know if the gas money is worth it on something I should be able to get a little closer to home. Also I found her prices on real large items to be a little too steep for my first purchase. Quote on a French one panel was about $300 so I could only imagine what a 55 x 78 would be, then again I'm new to the game. I've always heard framing was expensive. In terms of the spotlight displays what size do they start to become cumbersome? I was actually first looking at them for a couple French one panels I had in mind and the idea of easily being able to swap them out was appealing.
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I am certainly not one of the wiser people in the group. Just ask Mel or Charlie. ;D
But the only thing I will add, is that I am up to almost 40 frames from Sue at HP. And I am so thankful that I paid for the non-glare on all of them. Also, I trust her advice 110%. So if Jay and Sue agree, then that would be good enough for me.
Brian
I am wise to framing; I don't use them... ;) Unless the things hangs in direct sunlight for months and months you'd be better off just hanging it bare and changing out your light bulbs to LED it would be cheaper than buying a frame for that monster. Else if you really need a frame you need to find someone with a Tax ID to make it reasonable. You can order sheets of acrylic/plexiglass online. (I've never done this though). I have always thought one way to display these monsters would be to get wall to glass connectors, hang the poster up naked and then place a UV protected acrylic sheet over it. The key is finding a full panel to cover the poster. Else you could use similar glass to glass connectors and two sheets; I don't think it would detract too much. However I think with some research you can find the larger stuff with UV protection. Else there are 60x96 sheets in the link below... Oh and you would have to use magnets etc. and that new metallic primer etc. to hang the poster up bare (with rare earth discs).
Sheeting:
http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Plexiglass_Acrylic_Sheet (http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Plexiglass_Acrylic_Sheet)
Wall to Glass / Glass to Glass Connectors:
http://www.olimpiahardware.com/temp_glass/index5_en.html (http://www.olimpiahardware.com/temp_glass/index5_en.html)
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I am wise to framing; I don't use them... ;) Unless the things hangs in direct sunlight for months and months you'd be better off just hanging it bare and changing out your light bulbs to LED it would be cheaper than buying a frame for that monster. Else if you really need a frame you need to find someone with a Tax ID to make it reasonable. You can order sheets of acrylic/plexiglass online. (I've never done this though). I have always thought one way to display these monsters would be to get wall to glass connectors, hang the poster up naked and then place a UV protected acrylic sheet over it. The key is finding a full panel to cover the poster. Else you could use similar glass to glass connectors and two sheets; I don't think it would detract too much. However I think with some research you can find the larger stuff with UV protection. Else there are 60x96 sheets in the link below... Oh and you would have to use magnets etc. and that new metallic primer etc. to hang the poster up bare (with rare earth discs).
Sheeting:
http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Plexiglass_Acrylic_Sheet (http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Plexiglass_Acrylic_Sheet)
Wall to Glass / Glass to Glass Connectors:
http://www.olimpiahardware.com/temp_glass/index5_en.html (http://www.olimpiahardware.com/temp_glass/index5_en.html)
I would go bare, but I have a cat, and this sucker will probably hang low to the ground so I can only imagine how long it would last! The other comments started to shy me away from the Spotlight, and I think you've somewhat taken me back to them. I contacted them again and they said an acrylic would work fine with their frame up to a certain thickness. One full sheet was what I was looking for in the Vivak, and the manufacturer does carry it in 60x96, people keep telling me the acrylic in that size would cost an arm and a leg to ship. I'm still waiting on people to get back to me on the Vivak, but that or finding someone here local who can do acrylic might be the route. I figure spotlight display and Vivak or acrylic is better protection than nothing, I'm really more worried about it getting torn or really dusty than anything, and at least if I ever want to take it down or out it would be much easier. At this point I might not even fool with hanging it, it's taller than I am. I might just put it in a Spotlight and sit it on floor against the wall! Still I'm back to finding someone who can get me the overlays...
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Has anyone ever seen non-glare acrylic in a width > 48"?
To answer the earlier question, I built a 27x40 lightbox from the spotlight frame. The two layers of Vivak are somewhat floppy in there. When someone closes a door, you can see it flex. One of my kids tossed a ball into it and it popped loose from one side. Kind of an extreme example. I also had an issue where it was difficult to keep everything aligned on a 1 sheet while closing all 4 sides. Mel mentioned this as well, and added if you do it wrong it will pinch the poster.
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welcome1 to APF, Answer.
Dig your Common Sense Movie Reviews site.
Bookmarked it I have.
My question: what poster did you buy and when are you gonna let us see it? wynk
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welcome1 to APF, Answer.
Dig your Common Sense Movie Reviews site.
Bookmarked it I have.
My question: what poster did you buy and when are you gonna let us see it? wynk
Thanks very much! Unfortunately I don't have the time to post as much as I used to but it's fun writing reviews, it's therapeutic. Also I'll unveil my poster purchase which I did make last night. Kinda goes with the whole rare Italian film vibe I've currently been getting into over the last couple years, which is somewhat reflective of some of the newer reviews I do. It's the Italian poster for City of Fear starring Marisa Mell, never seen the film, in fact I can't find the film even through rare movie torrent sites, but I'm a pretty big fan of some of the lesser known cult Italian film actress like Marisa Mell, Barbara Bouchet, Helga Line and this poster just grabbed me, has that classic Italian 60's almost Noir vibe to it.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/City-Fear-85-MELL-MOVIE-POSTER1965-/00/$(KGrHqIOKj4E4tVVUtiRBO(N)n3BNg~~60_3.JPG)
In terms of my overlay search it looks like finding Vivak UV is going to be pretty impossible in the size I need, most people don't carry it, and for them to order it they'd have to do it in bulk, so one of the companies recommended sign grade acrylic with UV protection which is a reasonable price, I've asked him if it's acid free and the quality that won't yellow, so will see where that goes.
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That is a beauty. Thanks for sharing.
It's nice to see someone with such fine taste join this board of neanderthals.
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That is a beauty. Thanks for sharing.
It's nice to see someone with such fine taste join this board of neanderthals.
(http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq335/snshoney/Animated/Caveman.gif)
;D Thanks! Glad I can help class up the place! ;) (just kidding) So far you all seem like great folks.
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Very nice poster. I'd hang it on my walls if I was lucky enough to own it.
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Welcome to the forum! I have bought from eplastics before and built my own frame for a French 1 panel (or whatever you guys call it these days). Mel, could spotlight displays provide a frame for a poster this size to your knowledge?
Conor
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Welcome to the forum! I have bought from eplastics before and built my own frame for a French 1 panel (or whatever you guys call it these days). Mel, could spotlight displays provide a frame for a poster this size to your knowledge?
Conor
I can confirm they do have a French 1 Panel on their site, because originally I was thinking of buying a poster that size. I believe they want about $135 for it, and that would come with overlays, unlike the size I have.
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I've framed some big posters before, including the 4-foglio from this thread (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,207.msg20502.html#msg20502) so I might be of some help. First a few things:
- If Sue can frame a French 1-panel with UV/non-glare plexi and artcare backing for $300 -- that is a great deal! The plexi alone is probably $150. And Sue is the only person in the country I've been able to find that can get a piece of artcare that is larger than 40x60... she just couldn't get it to me in South Carolina. Take that Frenchy to a framer and I guarantee any quote will be $800+, probably over $1000 if you use anything other than a thin metal frame. Not sure what Sue charges for a 4-foglio, but I'm sure its worth it.
- I framed my French 1-panel myself and it cost about $370 with all the materials... but I bought my own decorative wood frame from eBay ($170 unassembled), 2 pieces of 40x60 artcare (~$40) to back the poster, another regular piece of 48x96 foam core to back the 2-piece artcare, and a 48x96 piece of UV/non-glare plexi cut to size and delivered from about 45min away (~$150).
- I did the same for my Italian 4-foglio... the frame was bigger this time (~$200), and because the SOB was so big I had to use 4 pieces of foam core -- 2 40x60 artcares to go behind the poster and 2 pieces of regular foam core (alternated) to go behind that ($50). As for plexi, I couldn't find non-glare in an oversized piece... you need 60x96. I think it was like $250 cut and delivered. Still, I feel like I made out pretty well for just over $500.
- Spotlights seem like a good deal, but I'm no so sure that they will offer *any* UV protection. I've seen some data sheets on their vivak and the wording never lists a UV protection rating for whatever goes behind the vivak. They only say how the product is UV stable and won't "yellow" in direct sunlight. So I have a feeling their UV protection is for the vivak, not what you have framed.
- Still, I'm thinking of picking up one of their french 1-panel frames for $135 and putting a piece of UV/non-glare plexi in front. I'm not sure the snap frames are deep enough to handle both plexi and foamcore backing, so I'll probably just use the vivak for backing. Its a linen backed poster anyway...
Hope that helps!
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I've framed some big posters before, including the 4-foglio from this thread (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,207.msg20502.html#msg20502) so I might be of some help.
Nice Eames chair; an original rosewood version is on my wish list...
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Nice Eames chair; an original rosewood version is on my wish list...
Thanks, ours is only walnut... I would normally never drop that kind of money on a chair, but I found a deal I could pass up. It was listed on Craigslist Charlotte for $1000 and I just happened to check the instant it was listed. I immediately said I'd take it and that I would drive up the next day and pick it up. It was a Saturday so the banks were closed... I had to do 4 different ATM withdrawals to get enough funds. I was also paranoid that it would be a knock off so I spent all night trying to figure out how to authenticate one. When I got there the next day the woman said she had been getting offers all afternoon after I responded... Some for more than double her asking price! She said knew it was worth more when she listed it, but that it was time to let it go. She bought it new for her husband in 2004 as a gift... apparently he had been lusting after one his whole life. Well, sad story, but he only got to use it a couple times before he had a freak stoke and passed away. She said she couldn't bare to look at it and put it in storage. She finally got to the point where she decided to let it go and listed it. She said she didn't care about the higher offers and was very happy to know that it was going to a young academic couple with a new house and a new baby on the way.
There are a few really minor scuffs on it from being moved and bumped in storage. However for the price we felt very lucky. I figured even if we used it for 20 years we could still turn around and sell it for double what we paid. I'm a sucker for a deal :-)
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By the way, here is what the FFOD looks like now...
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8990/p9220033.jpg)
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[quote author=Harry Caul link=topic=3136.msg47663#msg47663 date=1316782741Spotlights seem like a good deal, but I'm no so sure that they will offer *any* UV protection. I've seen some data sheets on their vivak and the wording never lists a UV protection rating for whatever goes behind the vivak. They only say how the product is UV stable and won't "yellow" in direct sunlight. So I have a feeling their UV protection is for the vivak, not what you have framed.
Still, I'm thinking of picking up one of their french 1-panel frames for $135 and putting a piece of UV/non-glare plexi in front. I'm not sure the snap frames are deep enough to handle both plexi and foamcore backing, so I'll probably just use the vivak for backing. Its a linen backed poster anyway...
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By default, the Spotlight frames come with 2 layers of Vivak, front and back of the poster. I tried putting some 18" plexi in there and it was OK. Also tried using standard foamcore backing and that didn't work very well. The foamcore is about the depth of the channel, so it was difficult to align the poster and Vivak properly against it. The frame also bowed out and had gaps at the corners. I can't recommend foamcore, and would say only use thin plexi. But if you are using thin plexi, why not simply use the Vivak?
Here is a data sheet from Bayer on UV transmission: http://www.framersbrand.com/FBDataSheet.pdf It shows blocking for two different brands ov Vivak and implies 100% blocking in the uV region. The A22 blocking would extend into the visible violet region (38-450 nm) so it might mute deep purples.
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Ok have Friday off so I figure I would give into my curiosity and try to make a floating frame for a daybill. Bought enough materials to do two for ~$50... Basically I am going to put T nuts in the wall and use washers to create space and lock it down with thumb screws. The house frame strapping I will anchor to the wall cover in acid free plastic and then use the magnets to hold up the poster. I'll report back in a few hours....
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0137.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0137.JPG)
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Thanks, ours is only walnut... I would normally never drop that kind of money on a chair, but I found a deal I could pass up. It was listed on Craigslist Charlotte for $1000 and I just happened to check the instant it was listed. I immediately said I'd take it and that I would drive up the next day and pick it up. It was a Saturday so the banks were closed... I had to do 4 different ATM withdrawals to get enough funds. I was also paranoid that it would be a knock off so I spent all night trying to figure out how to authenticate one. When I got there the next day the woman said she had been getting offers all afternoon after I responded... Some for more than double her asking price! She said knew it was worth more when she listed it, but that it was time to let it go. She bought it new for her husband in 2004 as a gift... apparently he had been lusting after one his whole life. Well, sad story, but he only got to use it a couple times before he had a freak stoke and passed away. She said she couldn't bare to look at it and put it in storage. She finally got to the point where she decided to let it go and listed it. She said she didn't care about the higher offers and was very happy to know that it was going to a young academic couple with a new house and a new baby on the way.
There are a few really minor scuffs on it from being moved and bumped in storage. However for the price we felt very lucky. I figured even if we used it for 20 years we could still turn around and sell it for double what we paid. I'm a sucker for a deal :-)
Yeah, that was a steal. Especially in such good shape. I once found a walnut one with that orangey brown 70's color leather for $400, but the leather in the arm rest needed replacing and the back had been water damaged or something (it didn't separate the plywood - that is why I love these chairs they are almost indestructible) so I figured after I refinished the wood and had the whole thing re apolstered in leather I was looking at another $1200, so I passed. Still think about that chair every time I see someone elses.
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I've framed some big posters before, including the 4-foglio from this thread (http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,207.msg20502.html#msg20502) so I might be of some help. First a few things:
- I did the same for my Italian 4-foglio... the frame was bigger this time (~$200), and because the SOB was so big I had to use 4 pieces of foam core -- 2 40x60 artcares to go behind the poster and 2 pieces of regular foam core (alternated) to go behind that ($50). As for plexi, I couldn't find non-glare in an oversized piece... you need 60x96. I think it was like $250 cut and delivered. Still, I feel like I made out pretty well for just over $500.
I've found a local plastics company who has acrylic and quoted me about $85 per sheet that would fit the 55x78 spotlight I plan on getting. They called it "sign grade" acrylic, but it was UV protective. I'm just waiting to hear back from them if it's also acid free, or if they have anything else that might suit my needs. At this point I'm not too worried about glare, and even if the acrylic isn't top notched I'm really not worried about yellowing. This poster is not going to see a lot of sun action. At this stage I'm not going to be too picky. So as long as I can find some acid free and relatively UV protective close by for a cheap price I'll go for it. From what I gather from Spotlight Displays you can probably use about any kind of plexi or plastic on both overlays as long as the combined thickness of the two sheets doesn't go over .250 inches.
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Ok have Friday off so I figure I would give into my curiosity and try to make a floating frame for a daybill. Bought enough materials to do two for ~$50... Basically I am going to put T nuts in the wall and use washers to create space and lock it down with thumb screws. The house frame strapping I will anchor to the wall cover in acid free plastic and then use the magnets to hold up the poster. I'll report back in a few hours....
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0137.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0137.JPG)
Well it wasn't a walk in the park. The first piece of plexiglass snapped when I was drilling one of the holes. I was holding the corner and the pressure from the drill created too much moment for the material. Else the hardest part was actually finding my stack of daybills. One down fall was the varying length of the daybills. I adjusted by moving up the bottom strap but then the magnets are in the actual image. The other con was that during drilling or something the holes were tad off and this created a bit of a warp in the plastic that I will have to adjust by wallowing out two of the holes. There was also remaining static which lifted the poster clinging to the plexiglass. Else I am not taking it down...
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0138.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0138.JPG)(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0141.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0141.JPG)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0142.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0142.JPG)
(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0143.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0143.JPG)(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0144.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0144.JPG)(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0145.JPG) (http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0145.JPG)
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OK major fail! I pulled it down to increase the size of the holes and had put a piece of plastic under the plexiglass (stupid) when the bit made it through it sucked up the plastic and snapped the second piece. My new opinion is to just buy a frame... I'm done with this crap; wasted half a day.... Now I have to fix the wall; stupid plexiglass.. Or buy another piece...
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Here is a data sheet from Bayer on UV transmission: http://www.framersbrand.com/FBDataSheet.pdf It shows blocking for two different brands ov Vivak and implies 100% blocking in the uV region. The A22 blocking would extend into the visible violet region (38-450 nm) so it might mute deep purples.
That is great to know that Vivak makes an actual UV blocking material, but the A22 is not what Spotlight uses. This is the data sheet Spotlight sent me: Vivak UV (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2019051/PETG%20Vivak%20Sheffield.pdf). If you read closely, especially the paragraph at the bottom, it doesn't really mention UV protection for what you are framing up, just that the product itself is UV stabilized. Same goes for their webpage... notice how they are actually described as UV stabilized and non UV stabilized.
http://www.sheffieldplastics.com/vivak_family.cfm
Not saying it won't help cut some UV, but I'm not sure how much I trust it for more expensive items. You can always just buy the Spotlight frame with vivak, but replace the front piece with some conservation plexi.
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(http://www.abideposters.com/apf_junk/IMG_0145.JPG)
Sorry it didn't work out Charlie... it looks like it would have been cool!
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That is great to know that Vivak makes an actual UV blocking material, but the A22 is not what Spotlight uses. This is the data sheet Spotlight sent me: Vivak UV (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2019051/PETG%20Vivak%20Sheffield.pdf). If you read closely, especially the paragraph at the bottom, it doesn't really mention UV protection for what you are framing up, just that the product itself is UV stabilized. Same goes for their webpage... notice how they are actually described as UV stabilized and non UV stabilized.
http://www.sheffieldplastics.com/vivak_family.cfm
Not saying it won't help cut some UV, but I'm not sure how much I trust it for more expensive items. You can always just buy the Spotlight frame with vivak, but replace the front piece with some conservation plexi.
We talked about this several months ago, and I found some pages on display and preservation. Noy bothering to look it up right now, but I remember that the conclusion was that heat was a bigger enemy than UV itself. Even if the UV is blocked, you can find that the sun heating the frame and outside of the glazing can cause fading.
Personally, I keep posters in areas where sunlight is not an issue.
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I've got another question. How do I figure out if a price for a certain poster is reasonable when there doesn't appear to be any others of the same version begin sold or have sold? I'm interested in a poster a dealer has for sale $120, the only other example of this version of from the same country I've found is by another dealer with an overblown price of over $500 (which I'm quite sure it's not worth). The US and British posters of this film seem to be selling well under $100. My concern is even the $120 price may be a little high as this dealer is selling another poster that I've seen going for about $30 elsewhere for $100. So I'm a little torn, I can't find it on ebay, emovieposters or google. What do you guys do in situations where you can't find other examples of the poster your interested in being sold?
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There are a lot of variables. Is it newer (post 1970)? Sounds like it's not US or UK release, those are definitely harder to come by regularly. How long have you been looking, and are you sure you couldn't wait it out, trying for the bargain? If not, how much have you got in your wallet to spend right now?
Getting a comparable price should only be used on comparable items and a poster from a different country has a whole different set of criteria. Is the poster you want country of origin? That's a premium. Is it the best art? That's a premium. Does the art blow? That's a discount. Is it a difficult size to frame? That's a discount. Comparing it to prices of US/UK posters is not really appropriate imho, if it's not from either one. Don't worry about what those are going for.
If you seen it for $120 and $500 (and it's not US or UK posters), and it's not in the usual databases or you don't have any thing to compare it to, and you've got to have it right now, $120 would seem to be the price.
--Peter
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There are a lot of variables. Is it newer (post 1970)? Sounds like it's not US or UK release, those are definitely harder to come by regularly. How long have you been looking, and are you sure you couldn't wait it out, trying for the bargain? If not, how much have you got in your wallet to spend right now?
Getting a comparable price should only be used on comparable items and a poster from a different country has a whole different set of criteria. Is the poster you want country of origin? That's a premium. Is it the best art? That's a premium. Does the art blow? That's a discount. Is it a difficult size to frame? That's a discount. Comparing it to prices of US/UK posters is not really appropriate imho, if it's not from either one. Don't worry about what those are going for.
If you seen it for $120 and $500 (and it's not US or UK posters), and it's not in the usual databases or you don't have any thing to compare it to, and you've got to have it right now, $120 would seem to be the price.
--Peter
It's a French poster 47x63, of a UK film. I my opinon the art is better than most of the other countries versions. Not something I have to have now, but was curious on how I would be able to figure what a decent going rate would be. I guess when you only have one option then that is the going rate, or wait and see if another comes along. I think it would go cheaper at auction but who knows if one will come along. I do think the price is a little inflated, because as I said they have another French poster the same for a similar film size and want about 3 times more than I've seen it selling and not selling for at auctions.
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I own a few French posters, so if u want to send me a PM and tell me which one you're looking at, I'll tell you if I think the price is right or not.
Thierry
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The price of ANY of these posters can vary greatly. If you cannot manage to calculate a range through any of the auction sites on the internet, it is all about how much you want it. I recently won a Pumpkinhead poster for 20 bucks or so. The same sold several months ago for around 400 because two people got into a bidding war. My best advice (which many will echo on here) is to set a price that you are comfortable with and STICK to it. Thierry is very patient and has been collecting for some time now. I am patient (to an extent), and have my own limitations. At the end of they day you have to live with how much you pay. Sorry I cannot give you a more direct answer but collecting is so subjective that most times it cannot be done.
Conor
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Thanks for the tips. I've got another question, and for the sake of starting another thread I'll ask it here. Looking for a 39x55 frame, found these on ebay, anyone familiar with the seller?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-Map-Frame-55-x-39-Oversize-Complete-/220803152359?pt=Photo_Frames_Display&var=&hash=item7914cd344a
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My first poster arrived in from Fedex today! ;D But the search for an overlay still continues. I've found one company a half hour away who has what I probably need but they refuse to get back to me, they've emailed me once and seemed very helpful but then never responded to my follow up inquiry. So I finally call this morning to get some pricing info and they said they'd call me back shortly... haven't heard back. If I ever get these overlays I think I'm buying two sets so I don't have to go through this again. >:(
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I have found that most dealer prices are negotiable.
I wouldn't be too quick to pay full price before any dickering has been done.
Get the dealer as hungry for the potential sale as you are for the potential purchase.
Communicate with the seller.
Ask lots of questions about the poster.
Request large scans because a sale is imminent.
Closely examine the condition of the poster and highlight any and all defects.
Use these flaws to drop the asking price down one, two...maybe three notches or more.
Maybe you'll get that poster for a lot less than it is advertised.
Never swing at the first pitch.
wynk
And... be patient grasshopper.
I had a beautiful poster on my Ebay watch list for over one year.
Only one I could find anywhere on the internet.
A long time ago, I made the seller an offer which he politely refused.
I really wanted that poster but I could not justify spending the money.
It sat for months and months on my watch list. No takers.
Just as I was about to break down and pay his full price, another identical poster appeared at 1/2 the price (shipping included) and in better, unused condition.
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Agreed. But I'm about the lose my patience with these plastics companies, no wonder there's not many around. Their customer service blows and 90% of what they have on their website they don't even carry, it almost makes paying an overblown retailer price of $300 a sheet worth it... almost. If they don't want to deal with individuals for a couple sheets fine, but tell me. I specifically start off by asking if they deal with individuals, they say sure and then give me the cold shoulder!
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You already tried eplastics?
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You already tried eplastics?
Eplastics doesn't carry what I need in the correct width, they cutoff at 48" like everyone else seems to. What eplastics has at the over 48" width is either too thick or ridiculously expensive (over $300) a sheet and that's not even UV Protective. This company I'm trying to get info out of said they had a sign grade acrylic that was in the large sheet and UV protective for under $100 a sheet, it's probably lower quality but at this point it fits my budget and it's the size I need. It's just like pulling teeth to get anyone to respond to an email or call me back!
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Okay I found someone who can get me clear acrylic with limited UV protection. For about $150 a sheet. I'm thinking about going with them, they'll even deliver it to me. I've come to the conclusion I'm going to have to give quite I bit on this size poster, and that means finding something that's UV and glare free in a reasonable price range is pretty much out of the question. I emailed Spotlight about another idea I had about using two pieces of their overlay for the front and back, since this is a two piece poster essentially have the overlays cut to the size of the pieces (which would be 55x39 and 55x38 waiting to hear back on what he thinks.
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The Vivak spotlight material is much too floppy. The frame leaves the backing plastic 1/4 - 1/2 inch from the wall. You would see chaffing and damage.
OTOH, I have considered using 2 sheets of 4x8 acrylic for a six sheet, mounted to the wall. Problem solved itself when the new house doesn't have any place suitable to display one.
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The Vivak spotlight material is much too floppy. The frame leaves the backing plastic 1/4 - 1/2 inch from the wall. You would see chaffing and damage.
OTOH, I have considered using 2 sheets of 4x8 acrylic for a six sheet, mounted to the wall. Problem solved itself when the new house doesn't have any place suitable to display one.
Not quite sure what you mean by chaffing and damage... the wall would damage the backing?
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The Vivak spotlight material is much too floppy. The frame leaves the backing plastic 1/4 - 1/2 inch from the wall. You would see chaffing and damage.
OTOH, I have considered using 2 sheets of 4x8 acrylic for a six sheet, mounted to the wall. Problem solved itself when the new house doesn't have any place suitable to display one.
I actually think I'm going to take the advice you gave me at the beginning of the thread and order a nice wood frame from Pictureframe.com, some acid free backing, and obtain one sheet of acrylic from this other local company I found today. That will actually end up costing me a little less than a Spotlight and two sheets of acrylic, and would probably work better overall for this size poster. So now I'm looking into that.
So if I go that route am I correct in assuming I'll need to tape the two pieces of the poster together in the middle so the top doesn't side down? (with acid free tape of course)
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How much is the frame from Sue versus the frame from pictureframe.com?
Because I know Sue from HPF will sell just the frame alone (if they are for the larger poster).
There is also professionalplastics.com to check out as well.
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How much is the frame from Sue versus the frame from pictureframe.com?
Because I know Sue from HPF will sell just the frame alone (if they are for the larger poster).
There is also professionalplastics.com to check out as well.
I found a pretty nice Cherry stained wood frame at pictureframe.com for about $140 (just the frame) that's only about $20 more than a Spotlight frame only. I went ahead and emailed professionalplastics for a quote on their AcryliteŽ Resist 45, I'll be surprised if they respond (I actually think already emailed them before a week ago and they never responded). I've found most of these companies simply don't feel like dealing with individuals who want a couple sheets, or they don't carry it in stock and ordering it would require them to do a bulk order. You think in this type of economy they'd be a little more open to getting business from anyone, but obviously not.
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Ya, I emailed professional plastics awhile ago too.
Never emailed back either.
Is this the plexi you are looking for?
http://www.acrylite-shop.com/US/us/acrylite-resist-kpxp61t8ucm/acrylite-resist-colorless-0ra45-gt-lvm69p55hoe~p.html
Does anybody know if we can use Acrylite FF? I think Rona and Home Depot sell that one.
Or how about this one here?? Is it good to use?
http://www.acrylite-shop.com/US/us/acrylite-framing-grade-pc1zqjiqwl6/acrylite-framing-grade-colorless-0a000-ff3-pyu7iz55df~p.html
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Ya, I emailed professional plastics awhile ago too.
Never emailed back either.
Is this the plexi you are looking for?
http://www.acrylite-shop.com/US/us/acrylite-resist-kpxp61t8ucm/acrylite-resist-colorless-0ra45-gt-lvm69p55hoe~p.html
Does anybody know if we can use Acrylite FF? I think Rona and Home Depot sell that one.
Ideally that's what I'd like to use, but finding someone who has that in a larger sheet and who will respond to me seems to be impossible. So at this point I've pretty much settled on a standard clear acrylic from someone here locally, don't really know the stats on what it is, I just know it's not very UV protective, but I don't plan on hanging this near much sunlight so I figure I won't have an issue. The way I see it something is better than nothing. I can just hang the thing on my wall bare, but seems to me it would be exposed to everything plus the risk of physical damage, this way it's at least more protected than it would be.
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They sell the 48X96 sheet for just over 100 bucks. Just click order full sheet to give you the prices.
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They sell the 48X96 sheet for just over 100 bucks. Just click order full sheet to give you the prices.
Yea but I need a sheet to cover a 55x77 poster... see the problem... it's that dang 7 inches that screws me over! I need the 60x96 sheets and nobody has those.
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Good luck with that.
Let us know which sheet you end up getting though.
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Good luck with that.
Let us know which sheet you end up getting though.
Sure thing, I'll get more details on what it is from the guy when I call on Monday and order it. I lucked out finding him, figure I'd call my local sign shop as a last resort and he pointed me in the direction of the guy he gets his supply from. Cool thing is he'll cut it for free and they make weekly deliveries in my area, and since they're about 30 minutes away (on a good no traffic day) it saves me a couple hours! So $150 a sheet is worth it considering the time and gas money I'll save.
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I agree on that. It is a good price, for him to cut it and deliver it. Which sheet is it?
I am having a very hard time getting Plexi down here in Canada. I have to call some local shops too.
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I agree on that. It is a good price, for him to cut it and deliver it. Which sheet is it?
I am having a very hard time getting Plexi down here in Canada. I have to call some local shops too.
I don't know which sheet it is. He just said his standard clear acrylic that was a large enough size to cut the piece I needed. Honestly after a week and a half of searching and not coming up with anything I really didn't care much. He had it, it was a good price, and I don't have to go get it!
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Okay now who want to help me frame this baby that I ordered? 55x118 inches :o
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7337/44282817.jpg)
Yea I'm not going to attempt it...
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clap clap clap clap
Beautiful poster. Congrats!
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Any recommendation on where a good place to buy ArtCare Acid Free Foamcore board online? I was going to buy it from the company I'm ordering my frame but learned it wasn't thick enough (only 1/16) I really need the 3/16 for the frame I'm getting. I've found a 25 box of 3/16 30x40 Archival for $146 doing a Google search plus $40 shipping, not sure if there's a more competitive price out there, plus i don't really need 25 sheets. And what's people's thoughts on the black Foamcore? Other than the color is there any difference?
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I would ask around at frame shops in your area. Artcare would cost more to ship than it is worth if you are only buying a piece or two...
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I would ask around at frame shops in your area. Artcare would cost more to ship than it is worth if you are only buying a piece or two...
Is $5.84 a sheet for 3/16" pretty reasonable? (this is the higher quality double sided Archival not the regular acid free) I don't mind buying a 25 box, seeing I'll probably be framing more things in the future.
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Well my box of Artcare came today, found a whole case fairly cheap on Amazon, and was able to use some Amazon points I had so it cost me nearly nothing. Only thing I'm waiting on is the frame, and looks like I'll be waiting a while. Seems the frame I picked out is on back order, they didn't bother to tell me that until I'd placed my order (would have been nice to have that info on their site). They told me they expect to get it the end of next week, and I'll probably get it a couple days later. Should have waited until I got the frame before I bought everything else (lesson learned for next time) but I really didn't expect to get everything else so fast. Artcare came the next day and the plexi was delivered the day I ordered it! Could have chosen a different frame instead of waiting, but I really like the frame I chose, so hopefully it will be worth the wait.
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By the way, I should have remembered to warn you... but never have plexi cut until after you have taken measurements of the assembled framed. I did the same thing you did once (ordered frame and plexi simultaneously) and I ended up needing to get the plexi trimmed down a bit more. You may be ok, but remember that tip for next time.
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Is it common for French 47x63 posters to sometimes have double folds? Usually it appears they've got 3 horizontal fold lines and 3 vertical. I'm looking at one that looks like it was folded a couple additional times as it has 7 horizontal fold lines and 3 vertical. Is this something that the distribution company might have possibly done on some posters or would this have been the end issuer's doing?
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Well it's complete! What a beast of a project, but in the end it was completely worth it, I love the way it looks. Now only if I could find the actual film...
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8343/dsc00890pt.jpg)
So I've proven you can frame a picture this size relatively inexpensively.
1. Wooden Frame - $144.79
2. Acrylic 55x77 - $84.70
3. Artcare Archival Foamboard 4 sheets - $26.00
Total $256.00
Now the Acrylic sheet that I got was actually 75 x 100 and cost $150 so I have acrylic left over for a couple smaller posters (I had two pieces cut to size for German posters, and a really long piece I could probably get a couple inserts or daybills out of), and I bought a box of 25 sheets of Foamboard, so overall I spent a little more money, but they can be used on future framings. Once I found someone local for the acrylic the only hold up was the 2 week backorder on the frame, which came in Tuesday and it took me a few nights to assemble everything together.
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Love the poster! Good on you for making it all happen (I don't have a single frame :( )
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Marisa Mell never looked better. Congrats!
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(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8343/dsc00890pt.jpg)
A... Yeah, totally worth it. Already finding myself going back to stare at her; the eyes are where its all happening for me. Jealous....
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Looks great! frame choice was good too.
What acrylic did you end up going with?
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Very nice, Charlie. That is going to display well and be a centerpiece.
Now only if I could find the actual film...
You are likely going to run into that a lot. The majority of pre-war films no longer exist, especially films from the silent era. These films were printed on nitrate stock. Nitrate is very unstable and will deteriorate quickly if not stored in a cool, dry environment.
Not just early films are a problem. The original masters for Jaws deteriorated into a state that was nearly unsavable after being stored for only 15 years. Fortunately, studios are now aware of the value of video releases, and DVD and BluRay has raised awareness on the need for increasing quality of masters. So we can all rest comfortably, knowing that Spy Kids 3D is safe forever :)
Good overview article over on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_preservation
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Impressive work man. Congrats!
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Looks great! frame choice was good too.
What acrylic did you end up going with?
It's called Acrylite GP.
You are likely going to run into that a lot. The majority of pre-war films no longer exist, especially films from the silent era. These films were printed on nitrate stock. Nitrate is very unstable and will deteriorate quickly if not stored in a cool, dry environment.
It's out there somewhere, I know for a fact someone has a copy that was recorded off German TV. I just don't think it was ever released on DVD or video even though it's only a late 1960's film. It was even released in the US under the name City of Fear. I've scoured the rare film torrent sites, nothing so far.