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Off-Topic Discussion => Board Issues, Suggestions, Updates, Questions & Fixes => Topic started by: MoviePosterBid.com on June 12, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
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I haven't logged out so I haven't seen what has happened to the forum, but a long time customer of mine just left my office after visiting while he is in town for a few days and he told me that because he isn't a registered member that apparently he can't see very much of the forum now
all I can say is, to those who wish to withhold the free sharing of information with other have accomplished their interests and the free flow of information to other like-minded people has been net-neutralized
You know, I for one am all for the free flow of information
It's called "sharing"
I think that those who wish to cry about the 243 guests vs 22 members reading posts need to look at things from the other side: why would more than 10 times as many guests as opposed to registered members prefer to only read the articles here, rather than join in and get involved?
here's another question, how would you folks like it if the IMDB shut down 99% of the information that was available to you unless you were registered?
or what if Photobucket galleries were only visible to those of you who are logged in (if you have a membership)?
Ithink that the majority of any of you are not members on those sites, but wish to use the full facilities archived.
food for thought, if you're hungry
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Registering doesn't cost anything aside from a few clicks and 5 seconds to think of a username.
How is it an issue to make information available to members only? If you want the info just sign up. You don't even need to participate and can continue leeching if you so desire.
I can't bid on Movieposterbid.com unless I am registered
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Also...are the "For Sale" posts still visible to non-members? If not, is that really the issue here?
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Also...are the "For Sale" posts still visible to non-members? If not, is that really the issue here?
Please stop feeding the trolls.
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Before you overreact Rich, did you check with the forum owners or mods to make sure the settings were correct? I thought we were discussing whether or not to kill the mid-auction thread or possibly lock it to non-members. However, it looks like whole sections are now inaccessible (not even visible) to non-members anymore including almost every sub-section in "Common Poster Subjects" and "Movie Posters". Oddly, all the sub-sections elsewhere are still visible, including in "Lobby Cards", which is why I'm thinking this could be a mistake...
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some areas are available to lurkers, others are locked off.
I can't say which because I haven't checked myself
personally, I think information should be shared freely when it is posted here.
I never asked for anything when I posted information, I don't think it should be restricted to others
forums are for an open sharing of information
clubs are private
and Chris, your comparison isn't equal . you have to register to bid on MoviePosterBid.com because there is money involved. How would you like bidding on any site and your competitors are all "guest"?
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some areas are available to lurkers, others are locked off.
I can't say which because I haven't checked myself
personally, I think information should be shared freely when it is posted here.
I never asked for anything when I posted information, I don't think it should be restricted to others
forums are for an open sharing of information
clubs are private
and Chris, your comparison isn't equal . you have to register to bid on MoviePosterBid.com because there is money involved. How would you like bidding on any site and your competitors are all "guest"?
It isn't valid? I think that is the reason it is locked is because it has cost people money in the past. So how exactly is money not involved? Bidding as "guest", you mean like ebay? Yet we all still use it. How is bidding as "guest" any different than any other site where people hide behind usernames and are anonymous. There are plenty of sites involving money that do not require registration. It is very common nowadays.
Do not misunderstand me. I am against having any boards locked (threads maybe), and thought it was unlocked a long time ago. But, your arguments suck, and I am an imdb member.
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There has been no censoring to APF. 70% or more of the entire board is still open to all. But certain areas, have been closed off from global view. When one considers the contributions that all members, past and present, have made here, the research, giving thought and analysis to poster sales, trends, restoration, articles written about posters artists, hobby history, poster finds (the threads go on and on)..... it adds up to a lot of information, not found anywhere else on the interwebs.
Why should all of this be available for just anyone who cant take the 3 min to register here for free? As another example, I have often looked at those online and the numbers of guests who are literally printing out various threads is pretty staggering. As well, there was discussion about how guests could easily gather or take info, not only from the mid auction thread, but from possible wish lists that members post to the board now and then. So there was a money element to it, as well.
And many sites require a free membership in order to access all the features or info available to members. This is nothing new. MPB, HA, emovie and even certain forums have the same requirement or lock downs in place.
In addition, it was primarily done (as an experiment) to see if it might encourage new people that are currently coming here as Guests, to join, want to participate, and infuse new blood, thoughts and material into the forum. And, of course, APF, in total, is then available to them, as well.
I would think that any client of any of the dealers or auction houses would be registered on those sites. As such, they would be able to access any and all material that might be advertised here, for sale or up for auction. In addition, any upcoming auction advertising seen here is also on each of the home sites.
The bottom line is... this change wasnt done to make Guests feel less welcome, but to encourage those to become a part of a movie poster forum that has much to offer, both from its members as well as the material, information, insight, research and imagery they have provided over these last 4.5 years.
And nothing is etched in stone (well, at least not everything). Things can always be reverted back to how they were, prior.
*In checking the technical side of the SMF layout here, individual threads cannot be locked unfortunately. Otherwise that would have been done. Only the larger boards can be.*
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The bottom line is... this change wasnt done to make Guests feel less welcome, but to encourage those to become a part of a movie poster forum that has much to offer, both from its members as well as the material, information, insight, research and imagery they have provided over these last 4.5 years.
If that is the case, you should probably make all areas visible to guests, but just write (registered members only) next to them. Otherwise, how will they know what they are missing out on?
Also, you say that 70% of the board is still open... is that number of threads or number of posts? I ask as the "General" section is gone under "Movie Posters" and as we all know, that is where the majority of the action happens around here.
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If that is the case, you should probably make all areas visible to guests, but just write (registered members only) next to them. Otherwise, how will they know what they are missing out on?
Also, you say that 70% of the board is still open... is that number of threads or number of posts? I ask as the "General" section is gone under "Movie Posters" and as we all know, that is where the majority of the action happens around here.
That's the tech issue with SMF here... the boards, when locked from guests view, are hidden completely, so either they are 100% visible (open) or closed (hidden). Writing "registered members only" would make no difference, because those boards with that added text next to the board name would also be hidden from view, if locked. And if the boards are open and available, how would those words (registered members only) keep a guest from going onto those boards anyhow, if they wanted to try?
I wish there was a way to lock individual threads. That would make it much easier to fine tune.
And I was referring to the % of the entire board being available to all, not individual posts or threads. Yes, the Movie Poster General Board and its threads is where a great deal happens here. Same goes with the Common Poster Subjects area. Those 2 contain the bulk of the movie poster material, data, research and info, i was referring to above.
Like I said... this was put in place to see what happens, membership-wise. That's all, at this point. Consider it a trial run, to see if it makes any difference or not (in addition to the idea that "membership does have its privileges," as there has been some slight discussion about that aspect, too, especially more recently).
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I wish there was a way to lock individual threads. That would make it much easier to fine tune.
But there is a way to make a members only board and move threads that rate locking into it which would prevent indiscriminate locking of entire boards over a couple of threads.......
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Why should all of this be available for just anyone who cant take the 3 min to register here for free? As another example, I have often looked at those online and the numbers of guests who are literally printing out various threads is pretty staggering.
This one is my all time favorite guest action as listed in the "who's online" section:
Guest 12:40:22 AM Nothing, or nothing you can see...
Maybe (likely), whatever they are doing is nothing I want to see.
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But there is a way to make a members only board and move threads that rate locking into it which would prevent indiscriminate locking of entire boards over a couple of threads.......
Schan.. that's an idea.. There could be a core, Members Only Board.
Then it would just have to be decided which lock rated threads from the various other boards would be moved and pulled together into that new Board.
This one is my all time favorite guest action as listed in the "who's online" section:
Guest 12:40:22 AM Nothing, or nothing you can see...
Maybe (likely), whatever they are doing is nothing I want to see.
And i agree... i mean... what are they doing on the board that would cause that pop up in the first place... a little weird 'n creepy, if u think about it.
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Schan.. that's an idea.. There could be a core, Members Only Board.
Then it would just have to be decided which lock rated threads from the various other boards would be moved and pulled together into that new Board.
There can be only one name for this board - "Super Fantastically Fabulous Stuff that You Will Absolutely Want to Register to See!!!"
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There can be only one name for this board - "Super Fantastically Fabulous Stuff that You Will Absolutely Want to Register to See!!!"
I think that has a good ring to it.... but is it descriptive enough? (http://smfsupport.com/support/Smileys/smfnew/cheesy.gif)
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supercalifragilisticexpialamembersonlybitch
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It isn't valid? I think that is the reason it is locked is because it has cost people money in the past. So how exactly is money not involved? Bidding as "guest", you mean like ebay? Yet we all still use it. How is bidding as "guest" any different than any other site where people hide behind usernames and are anonymous. There are plenty of sites involving money that do not require registration. It is very common nowadays.
Do not misunderstand me. I am against having any boards locked (threads maybe), and thought it was unlocked a long time ago. But, your arguments suck, and I am an imdb member.
not valid?? I don't see anywhere that I said that, though I did say "Chris, your comparison isn't equal" which has an entirely different meaning, so it looks to me the only thing that sucks here, is your reading comprehension.
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Jeff, I understand how you feel about people casually coming by to glean information, wantlist and other info, but the other side of the coin is that whomever has posted to the board has essentially "donated" their output to the forum. For my part, I do expect anything in return. I gave what I gave freely. At the same time, I don't feel there should be a locked door preventing people from reading it.
I've said it before, one of the best boards is the CGC boards (I'm talking about the board, not always the idiots who may populate the board)
http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php
you do not need any type of membership to read anything there. It is 100% open to all and that's how it should be, because the board is supposed to serve the community, not the few. Oh and by the way, they have 10s of thousands of members and millions of posts
if people want the community to grow, you work as a community. If you just want to have a circle jerk with your buddies, then just close off sign-ups completely
and the comment "I think that is the reason it is locked is because it has cost people money in the past" is a hollow argument. No empirical evidence has been posted that shows a specific causal connection to any bid on ebay - nor could any one here show such a connection unless (for instance) Mark were to say "oh yeah.. I had no idea that ET design was coming up for sale until someone posted it on APF. Nope. Had no idea. I didn't even know 56 people had it in their watchlist. Thierry undoubtedly would have won it for $565 if it wasn't for Mel posting it, giving me the head's up so I could head over there & beat T's $2450 bid.. That's right.. APF rulez"
not that I'm saying it couldn't happen, but more than likely such fear is reactionary behavior based on emotional want.
I think the vast majority of registered members here who whine about people using APF as freeloaders (if a lurker can be likened to a freeloader) are just as likely to use free service, without membership when possible, with membership when necessary, websites and forums that provide them with free information and without restriction as anyone else and the call for censoring any type of post on this forum, or restricting what information can be seen, is no less equal to any other type of censorship that the vast majority of people here would complain about if they perceived such censorship was limiting their own activity
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not valid?? I don't see anywhere that I said that, though I did say "Chris, your comparison isn't equal" which has an entirely different meaning, so it looks to me the only thing that sucks here, is your reading comprehension.
I apologize. You said it is not equal, and then offered a reason for that statement that was not valid.
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One thing I am not clear about. Do the Dealer's Forum and For Sale threads NOT show to anyone except for registered users?
And would this forum suffer in any way if those two threads were simply eliminated? Other than the dealers themselves, would anyone mind? Or as an alternate, why not restrict each dealer to a single thread, rather than endless new ones?
It sure might end a lot of the endless quarreling, and it seems that all the registered users are well aware of the auctions that occur on a regular basis.
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Wow. So you have to register to read the forum now, all to "protect" the few people who believe they can make a score by keeping eBay auctions secret? This is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Way to go to keep the community welcoming and open, guys!
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Ebay has umpteen million users.
EMP has 10's of 000's of users.
APF has 200 readers and 20 people posting - just how big a world do we really think we live in chaps? (Chaps, in the unisex sense of the word...)
China closes borders and look what Google thinks of them. It goes against the internet grain to lock stuff down.
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History repeats itself. So, uh, didn't somebody start another forum recently? Time to move on, I guess...
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That's a thought. ..
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History repeats itself. So, uh, didn't somebody start another forum recently? Time to move on, I guess...
Or calm down...take a nap...go outside...etc, etc
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Wow. So you have to register to read the forum now, all to "protect" the few people who believe they can make a score by keeping eBay auctions secret? This is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Way to go to keep the community welcoming and open, guys!
I agree with Rich and Rumble. Forcing one to register/log in just so they can read the forum is just stupid. This hobby is small and this just helps make it smaller. Dumb decision potokar.
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Funny how it's mainly the Dealers/Sellers who are complaining. Obviously would rather have their multitude of Auction/Sale posts continue to show for the masses and not just the registered (who obviously already know about the sales regardless)...
I am also not understanding the equation of "Having to Register" = "Not free"??
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I can see both points to this:
As someone who is a 'casual' collector, I thought to myself "Hmmm... it would be neat to add a movie poster to my home theater." I had NO IDEA where to begin or how to do it...
Google brought me here (amongst other similiar sites...) I was able to puruse these boards and gather enough information to purchase a poster...
There are more folks in this boat, than the 20-30 non- dealer members that actively participate and collect- and I mean, hard core collect film posters.
The casual person that wants to pick up a few film posters are going to benefit a dealer and hell, some of them may just be swayed to enter into the hobby and start collecting and participating here (like myself.)
If the bulk of the threads here had been locked when I initially found this site, I would have moved along...cause these wouldn't have been the droids I was looking for.
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"If the bulk of the threads here had been locked when I initially found this site, I would have moved along."
exactly.
Many people do not like to register. For anything. Period.
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Well everyone who is upset can go to MPF and paint pretty landscapes of the tumbleweeds
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Well, I for once, disagree with my good friend Chris. :-*
Having to register in order to access to content annoys the crap out of me, even if it is free, fast or whatever. Yeah, I'm that lazy ;)
If you want to have an opinion and post in a forum, then do register.
I did lurk for quite some time in the 2 forums I later registered and participated in. NS4 first and APF later. If they had hide their content, I would probably not be participating in them today, and all of you would have lost a lot of awesomeness
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I think a potential problem is that registering is perhaps not as straightforward as with other sites (having to manually email Holiday). It's not rocket science, but I wonder how many have tried to register, clicked the link and seen the "registration is currently disabled message" and moved on somewhere else.
If that is the case, you should probably make all areas visible to guests, but just write (registered members only) next to them. Otherwise, how will they know what they are missing out on?
Yep, definitely agree with that.
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Well, I for once, disagree with my good friend Chris. :-*
Blasphemous!
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I'm not. I agree with the Cinemasterjesus... ;D
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I'm not. I agree with the Cinemasterjesus... ;D
You must have something on consignment or you're just looking to spend 5 times the normal cost ;)
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You must have something on consignment or you're just looking to spend 5 times the normal cost ;)
I didn't realise there was a sale on. :P
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You must have something on consignment or you're just looking to spend 5 times the normal cost ;)
Oh, I wish... :D
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I think a potential problem is that registering is perhaps not as straightforward as with other sites (having to manually email Holiday).
Is that how it works now? Wow, no wonder there's not much fresh blood! Having to register to a locked forum by sending an email is about as offputting as it gets.
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I didn't realise there was a sale on. :P
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I didn't realise there was a sale on. :P
;D
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All this negative commentary because something is being tried for a period of time? Its been in place for about 4 days only.
Plus, many boards in the Movie Poster and Common Poster Subjects areas are open to all, as are the Dealer and For Sale/Want boards.
And it seems some here choose not to read and comprehend, when I stressed in a post last night that this was something to try, a trial... nothing more.
And why suddenly are some forgetting the complaining that was done about lurkers because they could see everything, including auctions, want lists and the like. Short term memory helps with the latest thread here, for some, it seems. I also seem to recall reading the terms "moochers" and "freeloaders" when others referred to Guests lurking here on the board.
Since there had been previous critical commentary and threads about Guests and what they can see, this temporary change was to try and make some of those members feels better about the forum and its availability, overall.
Trying some simple changes is not worth getting agitated over.
Ideas come and go, or are tried, and implemented and sometimes, later, discarded.
It will all work out here. ;)
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Funny how it's mainly the Dealers/Sellers who are complaining. Obviously would rather have their multitude of Auction/Sale posts continue to show for the masses and not just the registered (who obviously already know about the sales regardless)...
I am also not understanding the equation of "Having to Register" = "Not free"??
Not only did I not complain, but I suggested closing the dealer threads to end the endless quarreling. Better yet, why not charge for dealer posts? I bet that would greatly lessen the number of them, and it would buy some diapers for Thierry, and something that Holiday needs!
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Is that how it works now? Wow, no wonder there's not much fresh blood! Having to register to a locked forum by sending an email is about as offputting as it gets.
And as far as new faces around here and this method of membership that H put in place (other options are being looked at), here is the number of new "fresh blood donors" that have joined in 2014, so far:
Feb: 32 new members
March: 18 new
April: 11 new
May: 4 new
June (as of 6/13): 7 new
72 new faces (and counting)!
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and it would buy some diapers for Thierry
I didn't realise Thierry was incontinent :P
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I didn't realise Thierry was incontinent :P
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Let me know if your in concert up north, I'm buying a ticket.. Best two posts for quite some time..
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And as far as new faces around here and this method of membership that H put in place (other options are being looked at), here is the number of new "fresh blood donors" that have joined in 2014, so far:
Feb: 32 new members
March: 18 new
April: 11 new
May: 4 new
June (as of 6/13): 7 new
72 new faces (and counting)!
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Crikey, who are they all, and where..
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While I respect that the owners are doing some market testing, I am in favor of restoring full access to non-members. As I tried to articulate in my post about the mid-auction thread, we were only talking about a *very* narrow area of discussion there. And I was never in favor of censoring the thread -- I just wanted some sort of acknowledgement and explanation of the differing view points, perhaps pinned to the first page as one potential solution. Ultimately I was fine with the thread remaining open as long as people were respectful of the impact their posts might have on other peoples pocket books. I was (and still am) only in favor of locking it as a last resort.
However, IMO what is being tested now has nothing to do with that discussion or poll. If there was a poll asking if we should lock 30% of the forum (the part which has most of the popular threads) to non-members, not even letting them see which areas were missing -- I would vote "Hell No". I do think it would be a major turn off to new members, I know it would be for me. Maybe I'm projecting my own opinion, but I would think the poll would result in a decisive "no".
I know Rich is trying to conflate the issues here so he can try to take the moral high ground on all "censorship" discussions, but they are totally different. If anyone is keeping track of the different issues, my votes are:
1. Mid-auction thread -- Knowing there is a 50/50 split in opinions I'm also fine keeping it as-is, but I would prefer that an explanation be added to the first post.
2. 30% of forum locked to non-members -- Maybe an interesting experiment, but a bad idea in the long run IMO.
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Well, I for once, disagree with my good friend Chris. :-*
Having to register in order to access to content annoys the crap out of me, even if it is free, fast or whatever. Yeah, I'm that lazy ;)
If you want to have an opinion and post in a forum, then do register.
I did lurk for quite some time in the 2 forums I later registered and participated in. NS4 first and APF later. If they had hide their content, I would probably not be participating in them today, and all of you would have lost a lot of awesomeness
Ohhhh...
I agree
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Crikey, who are they all, and where..
here they be! newest members at the top
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0;desc
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While I respect that the owners are doing some market testing, I am in favor of restoring full access to non-members. As I tried to articulate in my post about the mid-auction thread, we were only talking about a *very* narrow area of discussion there. And I was never in favor of censoring the thread -- I just wanted some sort of acknowledgement and explanation of the differing view points, perhaps pinned to the first page as one potential solution. Ultimately I was fine with the thread remaining open as long as people were respectful of the impact their posts might have on other peoples pocket books. I was (and still am) only in favor of locking it as a last resort.
However, IMO what is being tested now has nothing to do with that discussion or poll. If there was a poll asking if we should lock 30% of the forum (the part which has most of the popular threads) to non-members, not even letting them see which areas were missing -- I would vote "Hell No". I do think it would be a major turn off to new members, I know it would be for me. Maybe I'm projecting my own opinion, but I would think the poll would result in a decisive "no".
I know Rich is trying to conflate the issues here so he can try to take the moral high ground on all "censorship" discussions, but they are totally different. If anyone is keeping track of the different issues, my votes are:
1. Mid-auction thread -- Knowing there is a 50/50 split in opinions I'm also fine keeping it as-is, but I would prefer that an explanation be added to the first post.
2. 30% of forum locked to non-members -- Maybe an interesting experiment, but a bad idea in the long run IMO.
Matt Talks too much sense for a young'un, I agree this was not what the point was about, just the lack of etiquette amongst a few on the board.
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here they be! newest members at the top
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0;desc
I wonder which one Mel is...
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As i said, nothing is etched in stone. And what is also interesting is why some members are now expressing concern about what non-members can view or not. In the past it was complaining about their global access and them being non contributors and freeloaders. Yet, today, it is the opposite POV, as has been expressed above, by some.
And im not referring to the few APF "sheep" who simply follow & agree or disagree, just because it suits their fancy or whim of the day. :P
It's getting to be like a regular ping pong game. ;D
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I agree this was not what the point was about, just the lack of etiquette amongst a few on the board.
To be fair, only a select few were outing auctions just to rile others up. Most of the time, however, it ended up being well-meaning newer members genuinely trying to help. As someone who outed an auction or two in my early days I fully sympathize and hold no grudges.
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I wonder which one Mel is...
I'll go with this one. If you think about his posters it makes sense...
http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4630
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I know Rich is trying to conflate the issues here so he can try to take the moral high ground on all "censorship" discussions, but they are totally different. If anyone is keeping track of the different issues, my votes are:
Not at all Matt.
My very good friend who was here yesterday and is not registered, but is a good spending buyer in the hobby mentioned it to me
He is present on all the forums, but he doesn't participate for a number of reasons, one being that he doesn't see any value in the tit-for-tat that lots of members on forums get involved in and to Chris who seems to think I'm mentioning this because I'm a dealer - pay attention to this comment - I'm a bigger COLLECTOR than 90% or more of the collectors here.
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Wow. So you have to register to read the forum now, all to "protect" the few people who believe they can make a score by keeping eBay auctions secret? This is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Way to go to keep the community welcoming and open, guys!
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One thing I am not clear about. Do the Dealer's Forum and For Sale threads NOT show to anyone except for registered users?
And would this forum suffer in any way if those two threads were simply eliminated? Other than the dealers themselves, would anyone mind? Or as an alternate, why not restrict each dealer to a single thread, rather than endless new ones?
It sure might end a lot of the endless quarreling, and it seems that all the registered users are well aware of the auctions that occur on a regular basis.
once again, a ridiculous concept and one that affects all the smaller businesses Bruce doesn't like competing with more than himself.
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I agree with Rich and Rumble. Forcing one to register/log in just so they can read the forum is just stupid. This hobby is small and this just helps make it smaller. Dumb decision
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Not at all Matt.
My very good friend who was here yesterday and is not registered, but is a good spending buyer in the hobby mentioned it to me
He is present on all the forums, but he doesn't participate for a number of reasons, one being that he doesn't see any value in the tit-for-tat that lots of members on forums get involved in and to Chris who seems to think I'm mentioning this because I'm a dealer - pay attention to this comment - I'm a bigger COLLECTOR than 90% or more of the collectors here.
But rich, your friend could also register and not participate at all if he didnt want to, (and as a good number of other members do). But i see your point. And was just throwing that into the mix, as well. ;)
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This thread has single handedly kept me entertained the entire working day :)
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But rich, your friend could also register and not participate at all if he didnt want to, (and as a good number of other members do). But i see your point. And was just throwing that into the mix, as well. ;)
I would also say fuck this guy. He takes without giving. Reaping the benefits without doing any of the work. I couldn't care less about some lazy dude who can't bother to send an email.
Rumble's hyperbolic notions of Armageddon are ridiculous. Once you a make a single sub-section blocked to the freeloaders and put in a single thread or two and then unblock the rest and then, poof, no big deal...
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But rich, your friend could also register and not participate at all if he didnt want to, (and as a good number of other members do). But i see your point. And was just throwing that into the mix, as well. ;)
believe me, I understand that. But most people clearly enjoy their anonymity.
Why do you think that there are 20 or so regularly posting members and hundreds that do not? It's because they only want "so much involvement".
I think Chris said they can join up and never post. well the question would be "why join if you aren't going to post?" Just so Chris can see Jimi Jo or Posterfreaky's name in the list at the bottom of the home page?
The more open things are, the more likely people will enter the hobby because the forum becomes an advertisement for it.
It's the same on most forums.
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believe me, I understand that. But most people clearly enjoy their anonymity.
Why do you think that there are 20 or so regularly posting members and hundreds that do not? It's because they only want "so much involvement".
I think Chris said they can join up and never post. well the question would be "why join if you aren't going to post?" Just so Chris can see Jimi Jo or Posterfreaky's name in the list at the bottom of the home page?
The more open things are, the more likely people will enter the hobby because the forum becomes an advertisement for it.
It's the same on most forums.
If one signs up and chooses a some random term or non-name as their username AND they opt to hide their email from view on their profile page..then isnt that about as anonymous as one can get? His/her identity is hidden and there is no way to get in touch directly, unless a PM is sent.
Doesn't that offer a real choice of how cloaked one can choose to be, even as a registered member?
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and to Chris who seems to think I'm mentioning this because I'm a dealer - pay attention to this comment - I'm a bigger COLLECTOR than 90% or more of the collectors here.
What does this prove Rich? You clearly have dual interests no matter how you try to spin it. We know you crusade against any form of censorship. To me, blocking threads from view in this manner is not really censorship - the information is still available, you just have to type and click a little. The take, take, take "I want instant information without doing any work of my own or contributing to the overall knowledge base of the hobby" philosophy of some really gets old after a while...why not at least encourage new member signups by making the gold only accessible to those with the simple initiative to e-mail Holiday?
I believe Jeff confirmed the Dealer/For Sale threads are no longer blocked and so there's no need for the titans of this hobby to jump off that cliff because the free advertising space went invisible to the lurkers/leechers/lazy bastards...
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If one signs up and chooses a some random term or non-name as their username AND they opt to hide their email from view on their profile page..then isnt that about as anonymous as one can get? His/her identity is hidden and there is no way to get in touch directly, unless a PM is sent.
Doesn't that offer a real choice of how cloaked one can choose to be, even as a registered member?
Yes. That's the whole point of a forum avatar...if you need information about the hobby and must read a forum such as this to get it, what is so wrong about requiring registration which may, just may, also encourage those taking the information to give back at some point?
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I would also say fuck this 'guy'.
Fixed.
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If one signs up and chooses a some random term or non-name as their username AND they opt to hide their email from view on their profile page..then isnt that about as anonymous as one can get? His/her identity is hidden and there is no way to get in touch directly, unless a PM is sent.
Doesn't that offer a real choice of how cloaked one can choose to be, even as a registered member?
right, so tell me then, why does it matter if they show up as "member" or "guest"?
who cares how many visitors there are except from the perspective that they actually stopped by to take a look?
and Chris, your comment is hollow. I was not concerned that the Dealer's threads might not be visible.
Not one iota.
I want people to stop by, take a look, find useful information & enjoy themselves.
my website www.comic-art.com
you know, I started that in 1994 - FREE
it has about 300 pages, all written by me except for some interviews a friend of mine did and there is no commercial merchandise for sale on that site. It does point to sites that do, but it is a resource site. I get requests from teachers all the time who wish to use it in their classes and I let them take whatever they want.
for all you guys who want people to post images, FREE. Or use YouTube to listen to music, FREE.. should recognize that closing off parts of the net is a self-defeating action.
that Jeff pointed out some members take both sides of the argument depending on how each side benefits them is an excellent point.
So just open it all. No hypocrisy, just knowledge, FREE.
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right, so tell me then, why does it matter if they show up as "member" or "guest"?
I think the basic philosophy is - if someone takes the time or shows the interest to actually sign up to get information, there is a higher probability they will actually feel compelled to participate/donate something of their own in return. Obviously this will not be the case for all (and there is no obligation) but for the doom and gloomers who say the hobby will die without increased engagement it's worth a shot...
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I think the basic philosophy is - if someone takes the time or shows the interest to actually sign up to get information, there is a higher probability they will actually feel compelled to participate/donate something of their own in return. Obviously this will not be the case for all (and there is no obligation) but for the doom and gloomers who say the hobby will die without increased engagement it's worth a shot...
then why are there more than 10 times as many registered members as there are regularly posting members??
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then why are there more than 10 times as many registered members as there are regularly posting members??
1/10 registered and "participating" is better than 0/100 leechers doing nothing but sucking blood
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1/10 registered and "participating" is better than 0/100 leechers doing nothing but sucking blood
that's your opinion. Clearly it is an opinion not shared by a majority of those that voted in the OUTING thread which stands at 22-26 to keep the Mid-auction thread open
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that's your opinion. Clearly it is an opinion not shared by a majority of those that voted in the OUTING thread which stands at 22-26 to keep the Mid-auction thread open
Can't fix stupid unfortunately
And besides you, Bruce, Cinemasterjesus and 5 star Melvin likely just used your fake second accounts to swing the #'s ;)
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Can't fix stupid unfortunately
well, we don't have to count those 22.. they are the minority
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I don't get doing this. I feel that this hobby is relatively small and sharing information among collectors is very beneficial. It looks like the general discussion forums from each topic heading are gone if you are not logged in as a member. From Common Poster Subjects, the topics like authentication and restoration are not accessible.
Regarding the authentication, I know that MPT, MPA, NSFGE and this forum, APF, have saved me money over the years. If the information on this forum, helps keep even $1 out of the hands of poster forgers, then that is a positive contribution to all collectors.
Everyone has to start somewhere, and restricting the flow of information may force people to seek it elsewhere. I like to test drive forums before I join. I bet some people that started out as guests eventually join and contribute to the forum.
This action seems excessive to mitigate the complaints of the Mid-Auction analysis forum. If that topic is not worth the headache, then burn it down, but don't shut guests out of the wealth of knowledge and experience of all the members.
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I don't get doing this. I feel that this hobby is relatively small and sharing information among collectors is very beneficial. It looks like the general discussion forums from each topic heading are gone if you are not logged in as a member. From Common Poster Subjects, the topics like authentication and restoration are not accessible.
Regarding the authentication, I know that MPT, MPA, NSFGE and this forum, APF, have saved me money over the years. If the information on this forum, helps keep even $1 out of the hands of poster forgers, then that is a positive contribution to all collectors.
Everyone has to start somewhere, and restricting the flow of information may force people to seek it elsewhere. I like to test drive forums before I join. I bet some people that started out as guests eventually join and contribute to the forum.
This action seems excessive to mitigate the complaints of the Mid-Auction analysis forum. If that topic is not worth the headache, then burn it down, but don't shut guests out of the wealth of knowledge and experience of all the members.
so well said. I applaud this response
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I think potokar couldn't find any more threads to "move" and he was bored so he came up with this ridiculous idea.
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I think potokar couldn't find any more threads to "move" and he was bored so he came up with this ridiculous idea.
Or, Mr. Cinemasterapistofforums, he was looking for ways to address expressed concerns and decided to test a few things.
BTW, making people jump through hoops is one of the best ways to build actual engagement - see the irrational love of Apple products. This is nothing new.
The only thing ridiculous is the 'chicken little' responses.
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You are right, what was I thinking. Censorship has always worked in the past so lets continue it here. Carry on geniuses.
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Yes, because this is totally censorship. Totally. eyeroll
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yes spicoli...totally.
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Making a section of a forum open to members only is censorship? Im not so sure about that so I am going to have to look it up.
I may have learned a second thing. Its hard to register for this forum. I must have gotten lucky.
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Censorship requires suppression, which is certainly not the case here.
Calling it censorship is bullshit hyperbole designed to muddy the actual discussion.
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To even casually and carelessly throw out the word 'censorship' in this regard is downright offensive in lieu of people now and throughout history who endure or did endure legit cases of not being heard or fairly represented.
This is a privately owned forum. About posters.
Thierry and Holiday let us play in their backyard...it isn't a right we have and deserve. Get over it.
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*In checking the technical side of the SMF layout here, individual threads cannot be locked unfortunately. Otherwise that would have been done. Only the larger boards can be.*
So the mid-auction debate WAS a tempest in a teapot...you couldn't lock that thread anyway...by your own admission.... regardless of the vote...so now we know ...and the "No Don't Lock it" vote has clearly won within T's and Holidays parameters...so just unlock everything...
This is speculative...but it does look like during the quest to "lock" the mid-auction thread you stumbled upon the fact that you could only "block" the larger board....so that was done...without any debate..or vote
So we can vote for locking a thread ...but the more contentious and ultimately larger debate was governed without a vote and pushed into action...without the members being "consulted" as part of the process?
(I forgot the "B")
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So the mid-auction debate WAS a tempest in a teapot...you couldn't lock that thread anyway...by your own admission.... regardless of the vote...so now we know ...and the "No Don't Lock it" vote has clearly won within T's and Holidays parameters...so just unlock everything...
This is speculative...but it does look like during the quest to "lock" the mid-auction thread you stumbled upon the fact that you could only "lock" the larger board....so that was done...without any debate..or vote
So we can vote for locking a thread ...but the more contentious and ultimately larger debate was governed without a vote and pushed into action...without the members being "consulted" as part of the process?
What on Earth are you going on about? You are confusing 'locking' a thread (making so that one can no longer add posts) with 'blocking' a thread from non-member viewing. Two different things.
BTW, there was no clear 'winner' in a vote such as this, which from T's 'own parameters' was to gain a general temperature of the room and engage in discussion. In many ways, we are all losers for having to have the discussion in the first place.
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To even casually and carelessly throw out the word 'censorship' in this regard is downright offensive in lieu of people now and throughout history who endure or did endure legit cases of not being heard or fairly represented.
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It is a form of censorship........but the definition of censorship is not the issue. You can call it whatever you want......censorship/blocking/information restriction/whatever...it is still wrong, it is not a positive thing, and the majority of people so far who have chimed in think it is a bad idea.
So lets have another vote shall we?
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So the longer I collect posters the less mature I will act? Is this how it all works? I think I see the light! save me Jebus!
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It is a form of censorship........but the definition of censorship is not the issue. You can call it whatever you want......censorship/blocking/information restriction/whatever...it is still wrong, it is not a positive thing, and the majority of people so far who have chimed in think it is a bad idea.
So lets have another vote shall we?
who needs another vote David. It will wind up the same way:
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In many ways, we are all losers for having to have the discussion in the first place.
The first time I've agreed with you....I would extend that and include all the "losers" as being the unfortunate people who will check out this forum as non-members and not even be able to see the best and most active threads...why sign up for something you didn't even know existed?
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I would probably not be participating in them today, and all of you would have lost a lot of awesomeness
One of the few things I can 100% agree with in this thread.
Cant the mid auction thread be moved into its own members only section?
If 99.9% would to be open to "guests" except the mid auction thread, whats the big deal?
I know one other forum that has NO mid auction thread and allows NO outing and its growing. Their "censorship" is crushing. :P
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So the longer I collect posters the less mature I will act? Is this how it all works? I think I see the light! save me Jebus!
Technically those two clowns are dealers but I see your point.
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The first time I've agreed with you....I would extend that and include all the "losers" as being the unfortunate people who will check out this forum as non-members and not even be able to see the best and most active threads...why sign up for something you didn't even know existed?
They are only losers if they choose to be. Anyone freaked out by having to register, when you have to register to do just about ANYTHING on the internet now-a-days, may very well deserve the label. It's simply a fact of operating on the net.
A good example is the Expresso Beans folks. You can read stuff and get general auction results, but to get any specific data or interaction, then you have to register. It certainly hasn't seemed to hurt their rolls. It's OK for membership to have occasional privileges.
And those are hardly the 'best' threads on here. Many would consider the mid-auction thread one of the worst.
So the longer I collect posters the less mature I will act? Is this how it all works? I think I see the light! save me Jebus!
There is a very specific reason why you will never see me acknowledge, let alone engage in any kind of discussion with Rich. His last couple of 'mockeries' are a prime example of why, but nothing compared to his past performance.
Cant the mid auction thread be moved into its own members only section?
If 99.9% would to be open to "guests" except the mid auction thread, whats the big deal?
I know one other forum that has NO mid auction thread and allows NO outing and its growing. Their "censorship" is crushing. :P
This is the likely outcome, with the mid and post-auction categories being moved their own section called something like - 'Auction Discussion - Register to join the party'...
No big deal at all...
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here's what I think.. Ya wanna make something members only..
how about we drill it down even further - you have to contribute valuable information in order to read other articles.
some of the whiney crybabies who want to shut down parts of the forum have never contributed anything of any substance, yet they are some of the most vocal and also some of the most moronic.
I can't think of any real information some of these members have ever posted. By that measure, the clown from Chicago would only be able to have read one and a half paragraphs....
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This discussion should not involve dealers.
Especially the clown prince of bullshit.
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yes, all dealers should be censored.
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LIE berman time!
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I had a very special request for how to use this post, and while certainly tempting and appropriate, I feel it would be better served with the following reminder:
Always remember just how
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collecting pieces of printed paper really is!
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Making a section of a forum open to members only is censorship? Im not so sure about that so I am going to have to look it up.
I may have learned a second thing. Its hard to register for this forum. I must have gotten lucky.
How so? It takes anyone sending a simple email request to join, and, voila, it's done. ;)
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They are only losers if they choose to be. Anyone freaked out by having to register, when you have to register to do just about ANYTHING on the internet now-a-days, may very well deserve the label.
This is because there is a nasty "protectionist" movement on content....and we should defy that trend...it's far more liberating to be part of a free flow of information..why even post in a public forum unless other people can view it?....the fact that people could read and study and expand their horizons on this forum BEFORE they joined was what interested me initially....if APF blocks large swaths of active boards....then APF is choosing what other people can view or access...before they decide whether to register or not....that is restrictive enough to be considered censorship....it's ironic that the key word is "ALL" because it's starting to look more and more like "SOME"....
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This is because there is a nasty "protectionist" movement on content....and we should defy that trend...it's far more liberating to be part of a free flow of information..why even post in a public forum unless other people can view it?....the fact that people could read and study and expand their horizons on this forum BEFORE they joined was what interested me initially....if APF blocks large swaths of active boards....then APF is choosing what other people can view or access...before they decide whether to register or not....that is restrictive enough to be considered censorship....it's ironic that the key word is "ALL" because it's starting to look more and more like "SOME"....
Actually, as far as the internet is concerned, it has little to do with a 'protectionist' movement on content and everything to do with building email lists and tracking user habits.
APF isn't going to be blocking 'large swaths' of anything. What part of 'a couple of threads' is confusing?
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How so? It takes anyone sending a simple email request to join, and, voila, it's done. ;)
I sent multiple emails and waited over a month to get registered. I even had a member of this forum inquire about my registration for me.
Registering is not as easy as people are making it seem.
And I lurk, and didn't even need to register at the time to see anything.
As a new collector of posters, I find this thread and the mid auction lockout thread extremely discouraging. Where did the fun go for you guys if this is what there is to talk and complain about? Is it really that serious? Is it worth getting all riled up about? All this name calling and bickering because of a forum post. It just doesn't seem worth it.
Of course, this is just my perspective as a new collector and as what some of you are calling a lazy freeloader, who by the way, never even looked in the mid-auction thread until all the fuss started.
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Where did the fun go for you guys?
Great question!
Here's a very old joke for all of you:
"“So I was watching this lady on the train, the other day. She was carrying a baby, minding her own business, you know, but in the seat in front of her, there’s this drunk guy. And the drunk kept turning around and looking back, and every time, he said: ‘Thas’ th’ uglies’ baby I evah saaaw.’
“The lady tried to ignore him. ‘Thas’ th’ uglies’ baby I evah saaaw.’ She’d turn aside holding her baby closer, but the drunk got louder. ‘Thas’ th’ uglies’ baby I evah saaaw.’
“Finally, the lady had to call the conductor — and the conductor shows up and takes charge. He hustles the drunk out of the car, and then comes back to apologize.
“‘On behalf of the B&O Railroad, I want to extend to you our sincere apologies. You paid for your ticket, and you have every right to a safe and pleasant journey. With our compliments, I’ll be bringing you a cold drink now. ‘ He smiled and took off his conductor’s cap. ‘And maybe while I’m back there, I can find a banana for your monkey.’”
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You have to wonder how many more like captonron are out there. Probably more than a few.
Right now if one is not a member or not logged in they can't see GENERAL DISCUSSION under MOVIE POSTERS. This is insane! This is probably where over 90% of this boards activity takes place. A newbie discovering the site for the first time would never know what they were missing and quite possibly avoid it altogether because it looks uninteresting.
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I sent multiple emails and waited over a month to get registered. I even had a member of this forum inquire about my registration for me.
Registering is not as easy as people are making it seem.
To captonron and all.
This lag time has been remedied as holiday and thierry have asked me to help out with registering new members. As an example- of those that emailed this week, saying they wanted to join, all were replied to and their accounts activated the very same day that their email was received.
So any long wait time between a request to join and activation will be eliminated.
cheers
Jeff
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I sent multiple emails and waited over a month to get registered. I even had a member of this forum inquire about my registration for me.
Registering is not as easy as people are making it seem.
And I lurk, and didn't even need to register at the time to see anything.
As a new collector of posters, I find this thread and the mid auction lockout thread extremely discouraging. Where did the fun go for you guys if this is what there is to talk and complain about? Is it really that serious? Is it worth getting all riled up about? All this name calling and bickering because of a forum post. It just doesn't seem worth it.
Of course, this is just my perspective as a new collector and as what some of you are calling a lazy freeloader, who by the way, never even looked in the mid-auction thread until all the fuss started.
That process of registering new members has been streamlined now Capt :) no more waiting....did my best to get ya registered faster
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Yes, Jeff's new name is the Eliminator....
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You have to wonder how many more like captonron are out there. Probably more than a few.
Right now if one is not a member or not logged in they can't see GENERAL DISCUSSION under MOVIE POSTERS. This is insane! This is probably where over 90% of this boards activity takes place. A newbie discovering the site for the first time would never know what they were missing and quite possibly avoid it altogether because it looks uninteresting.
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Of course, this is just my perspective as a new collector and as what some of you are calling a lazy freeloader, who by the way, never even looked in the mid-auction thread until all the fuss started.
part of a well stated response that is well stated
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Of course, this is just my perspective as a new collector and as what some of you are calling a lazy freeloader, who by the way, never even looked in the mid-auction thread until all the fuss started.
You would have had to have read the mid-auction thread in order to qualify for freeloader status. :)
Noobs, such as you, are not the 'freeloader' lurkers that we are talking about. The 'freeloaders' are the more experienced collectors who could contribute, but don't.
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Why locking the restoration thread? The selection of open/closed threads makes no sense!
Oh well...time to go out and enjoy some real life..
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I would register. It's not a big fucking deal. And if they don't want to register, they can piss off.
I haven't logged out so I haven't seen what has happened to the forum, but a long time customer of mine just left my office after visiting while he is in town for a few days and he told me that because he isn't a registered member that apparently he can't see very much of the forum now
all I can say is, to those who wish to withhold the free sharing of information with other have accomplished their interests and the free flow of information to other like-minded people has been net-neutralized
You know, I for one am all for the free flow of information
It's called "sharing"
I think that those who wish to cry about the 243 guests vs 22 members reading posts need to look at things from the other side: why would more than 10 times as many guests as opposed to registered members prefer to only read the articles here, rather than join in and get involved?
here's another question, how would you folks like it if the IMDB shut down 99% of the information that was available to you unless you were registered?
or what if Photobucket galleries were only visible to those of you who are logged in (if you have a membership)?
Ithink that the majority of any of you are not members on those sites, but wish to use the full facilities archived.
food for thought, if you're hungry
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I would register. It's not a big fucking deal. And if they don't want to register, they can piss off.
Oh yeah, and I wanted to thank you for stirring the shit once again, Rich.
I have a real problem with people who want to lurk about, as your customer seems to want to do, and then not participate and even grouse about having to register. Rather than be grateful that the resource is available, they piss and moan.
And then the rest of you who complaint about requiring registration, from the nice comfy seat of one who is registered! What hypocrisy!
One of the biggest problems with the world, and the subset of the world that frequents this forum, is that people just like to piss and moan about the bad, because they don't get the same zing out of focusing on the good. Given the choice between a negative comment and a positive one, most will choose the positive.
Maybe I'm just burnt out on this place. I don't know. But most every fucking time I come to MY OWN FORUM, I have to endure the bellyaching. We've gone from bellyaching about auction-outing to bellyaching about some new changes to the forum.
For the love of God, and I can't say this strongly enough, IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. Start your own forum as others have done. But please, leave your negative bullshit at the door.
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I see that H locked this thread, and no am not standing behind that lock, to avoid responses. I'm only saying here what i have expressed before. And it is this:
No boards or topics/threads are locked from any member's view.
And why the outcry from some who did take the time needed (less than a min) to register, for lurking guests (who cant be bothered to join) because they are now limited on what they see, in a couple of areas? As H said, this is such hypocrisy. First, it was complaints over what the lurking crowd could take or gain from here without ever giving back, and now some have taken the "Oh the poor deprived Guests" attitude.
The board's appearance and accessibility remains unchanged for any and all members. Please remember that before complaining. And should new memberships not increase at all, due to "the teaser effect" of full access upon membership, then the board will be returned to full global access to all Guests. ;)
This is all supposed to be about sharing and discussing a fun and fascinating hobby.
Ever forward.